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Never made one of these before, so at least I'm unbeaten.

Can't see me ever being allowed to do it again after this game though, and I'm usually pretty positive. There'll be goals, I'm sure.

Predictions?

2-4

6-5, coming from behind 5 times and winning in injury time.

3 nil town
vince thomas and jp!!

Adver reckon Phyllis is "likely" to play in place of Lucas.

If that is the case 5-6, losing in injury time.

4-4.

3-2 defeat. We go 3 down and then start playing.

God I hope I'm wrong.

Smith
Caddis Cuthbert Frampton Rose
McGovern Prutton Evans Ritchie
Ball Austin

Would have played Timlin in the middle with Prutton, and surprised we haven't recalled him. Give Evans another go, win it in the middle and spread it wide, with both full backs bombing on.

Think he'll just throw JP in though and re-jig Saturdays midfield.

9-7 away win. Cuthbert 2, Austin 2, Morrison , Caddis and Ball

the adver recon it will be the same back 4  :(

1-3

Can't see us doing anything of note tonight apart from a few defensive calamaties.  Hope I'm wrong though.

0-0

2-2 in a very entertaining game - Austin with both. Lots of yellow cards and the ref will be a cunt. Just over 8k with less than 500 from Charlton.

0-2 home defeat

I think we're perverse enough to put in the kind of performance against Charlton we failed to produce against Orient and Yeovil. God knows about the result/score though. 3-2 to us (will almost certainly not be the outcome)

No prediction from me.  What's the point?  On current form, you might as well close your eyes and throw a dart at a board to predict the final score.

And I like the way that this is not an 'official' matchday thread.  Official threads have not served us very well this season.

the ref if bound to be a cunt considering the last to games they have why not make it 3/3!

If my first dart is correct, we're going to miss the board. If it's on my second dart, we're going to win, double 7.

14 - 0 then?

Oooh.

Is this today? I didn't know about this!

Bit of a late one for you Bangkok.

head says 1-2 defeat.heart says 2-1 win.prediction league guess is with the former.
high pressure game is this.late equalizers and fightbacks show the squad is fighting for the cause.those draws have to turn to wins though...

Oh I just don't know.

4-4. That'll do.

I got £2 on 3 - 2, 3 - 3 and 2 - 3.

If one of those comes in, I get anything from £58 to £160.

2-1 to us

I am normally useless with these predictions but I shall go for Swindon 2-1 Charlton with goals coming from Austin and a Frampton bullet header.

We normally play better against the 'bigger' teams. I've put down 2-1, but after conceding 10 in our last three games, get ready for a 4-3.

Current form suggests a home win.
We've only lost one of the last 6 at home, they've only won one of the last 6 away.

We've only failed to score in one game this season (Carlisle away), and haven't had a clean sheet for 6 games.
This suggests goals for both sides.

On this logic i'm going for 0-0.

(Nah, reckon we'll nick it 3-2)

Well i hope we win however as we are leaking lots of goals we all know that it won't be 0-0 head says away win heart says 3-1 to us

8-6 to them.

Austin (2) Ball, Ritchie, Morrison and Mcgovern.

2-2

We desperately need a win, but on current form, god knows! We're good enough to beat these (ability wise), but we're so fucking inconsistent, that it's a tough call.....COME ON YOU FUCKERS!!! JUST FUCKING WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :suicide:

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/Betting/0,,10341~2198839,00.html

not a bad little bet considering his form.

Not going because Im in Glasgow. 

Only thing I can predict is that there will be some goals and the ref will be a shit.  Mind you I dont think I've ever said anything else about a ref.  Basically they're the kids from school who were to shit to get in the football team and developed a man crush on the football team and realised the only way he'd get them to touch his arse is to become a ref.

Scum the lot of them.

Why are Coral the clubs "official" betting site when we have so much connection with Betfair, is this a league requirement?

Betfair isn't a bookmakers!

0-4

Think I'm staying up for this, against my better judgement.

It's gonna be really really really really really really late for me, so the cunts had better win by 4 goals or more.

Scoring isn't a problem, we've already scored 23 in the league, 5 more than at the same point last season.

We will score, the question is will we score more than we concede.

25/1 on 3-2 (£2 win)
28/1 on Morrison 1st goal (£2 win)
325/1 double (£1)

If this comes in i'm gonna felch Reg!

Would really like to say we will win this, but based on our ability to concede stupid goals I don't think that anyone can be confident that we will.

I can't see us keeping a clean sheet, but in the same vein think we will score. As many have said it seems to be a case of whether we can score more than them.

Heart says we win 3-2, unfortunately logic may suggest the reverse scoreline :(

Just remembered the clocks have gone forward, which makes it even more uber late for me (2:45 am, hardcore ultra).

We had so fucking better win.

1-3 :(

Clocks went back here.

It's the simple things that confuse me. I do know that the time difference has extended by 1 hour though.

3-2 to us.

We will go 2 down just before half time and then come out for the 2nd half and start playing.

9,125 crowd and on 77 mins a streaker will run on the pitch.

Everybody seems to be going for a high scoring game.

With that in mind I think it'll be a 0-1 defeat with the goal coming late.

Our games tend to be high scoring !

lose 4.0

Do i rush out of a 6 o'clock lecture, try and get to the train station by 6.45,  to the county ground for pretty much bang on kick off, and have to leave the match early anyway.

or

Stay in bath and watch that film about facebook with the man who looks like michael cera?

football everytime

it's such a fucking ballache though. and we're shit

and?!

we were shit when we got relegated but i still travelled from Brum every home game and Mex travells from Gayville

Well done. Have a cookie.

I probably will go, unless I miss the train, but I don't have the same enthusiasm anymore.

If you have to leave the match early as well then I'd say it's not worth it.

Don't just go for the sake of it if you don't really want to.

I don't have to miss much. I leave about half past nine to get to the station, but the way we've been playing recently i'll probably miss 4 goals in that time

0-0.

That'll be why then.

Anyhow, I fancy a penalty for us tonight to round off Charlie's hat-trick.

1-1....this match could be anything, hardest match to predict all season IMO. They are gonna be up for it, with what happened in the playoffs etc, worry for us tonight, we need to find our top gear tonight for sure.

I rate Lucas, but no doubt Smith deserves a chance. Big game for Danny and our season I feel.

dave are you the lad i watched the playoff semi with in the metropolitan? If so i'm coming from brizzle on the train and you can get a later train back than that. Me and a mate will have few beers in bath after the game too.

tough game. think we'll get turned over unless we can tighten things up at the back.

We're a different kind of shit this season though.

Usually we're shit because we have a shit team full of shit players, this season we know we should be better but just play like a bunch of strangers and seem to lack any passion until we go behind in games.
I'm finding this season more frustrating than any relegation season and my interest is rapidly disappearing. At least when were shit we know it and just ask for some passion from the players. In my case it doesn't help that I don't really agree with Wilsons player philosophy this season as to get out of this division history suggests that you need a team full of consistantly good solid physical players where as this season we seem more of a team of inconsistant shortasses who don't like getting stuck in when teams get physical against us....Ball, Richie, Ferry, Caddis in the same team make us so lightweight.  Of course Wilson knows better than me but the results at the moment are suggesting we lack something and we seem unable to impose ourselves on games.

2-1 victory for town with the 2 goalkeepers being joint MoMs. An entertaining end to end game with both sides having lots of chances due to shit defending

0-1 to Charlton.
Scored in front of the town end in 44th minute
Attendance of 8326

This!

2-O Town......both Austin......8888 crowd.

UP THE TOWN!

Having been to Yeovil on Saturday where we should have won because they really didnt look like any cop. We miss Douglas - Morrison needs a minder because of his inexperience and the rest of the defence looks like it can collapse at any moment....however there are a few teams in this divison like that...

Football doesn`t get any harder than this.....2-3

Hope I am wrong

Red Army

3-0 Town. The game when it finally all starts to go right.

i had to dash out of labs to get the train from clifton down to temple meads, now realised im going to be hideously early and on my tod, might have to grace the legends lounge for the first time and see what its like in there!

I've not read anything recently to make me believe we'll win tonight.

I live in hope!

Just off to the game now. You'd expect us to lose tonight, but with Swindon being Swindon, we'll probably win 4-0!

Just about to leave in a sec. Come the fuck on!

2-1 Town Prutton and McGovern 8,945

1-0 to swindon tonight

cuthbert to get the goal

You know what, I've had dinner and I'm feeling positive. I'm changing my Prediction League score to 3-1 Town. COYR!

I reckon we'll go down 0-2 with another grotesque, lack lustre performace.

I hope I am wrong. C'mon Town!!

Not been for ages, starting to miss it. I don't fancy our chances tonight, predicting a scrappy first-half that ends at 0-0 followed by a mad 15 minutes at the start of the second half where we find ourselves 2-0 down before we make a(nother) comeback with goals coming from Frampton and Austin before conceding two lates goals to hand Charlton a 4-2 victory.

ahem

I really hope Cuthbert's not at RB.

Cuthbert will be at rb because Caddis has to fill in for Ferry, unless that is, Will Evans comes in.

I'm going to predict that Cuthbert starts at the centre of defence, alongside Morrison.

What an amazing twist to this saga that would be.

Yeah and Thompson at RB with Smith in goal

bare bones

Swindon Town: Phil Smith; Nathan Thompson, Scott Cuthbert (Captain), Sean Morrison, Michael Rose; Paul Caddis, David Prutton, Jon-Paul McGovern, Matt Ritchie; Charlie Austin, Vincent Pericard

Substitutes: David Lucas (GK), Alan O'Brien, Will Evans, David Ball, Thomas Dossevi, Callum Kennedy, Billy Bodin

Has anyone said this yet?

Where is Frampton?

Ankle injury

anorexic porn star

Hope Nathan Thompson does well today... He's waited a while for this opportunity.

Wow, Danny's got his balls out. I'm really pleased. Not necessarily with the line up, although I am, but just seeing he's not afraid to make some really ballsy changes.

had a couple of beers before the game our season starts today 2-1 win Charlie with both

Best of luck to Thompson... hope he has a blinder

Happy with that Danny. Changes were needed, and the mad them. Good luck Nathan.

ROOAAARRRRRRR

Somebody tell world to flcik the switch

my switch is flicked

RIP Freddie

Here we go then Come on Swindon :beers:
 R.I.P Fredric

RIP Fred.

Not a bad start - so far

No Frampton?

I dont like it when we start well. We never finish well when we do.

Ankle injury apparentley. Hopefully not too long.

Already?

He didnt start, just news before the game. Cuthbert and Morrison centre-back, Thompson right back.

Oh dear.

Un fucking believable

cunt

hmmmm

oops

oh no -come on Swindon

what happened? You lot are shite on teh updates.

This doesn't look good at all.

have a guess  :badmood:

FFS  :(

WHAT'S HAPPENING!

1-0 down.....

We've conceded

for fucks sake you cunt. What happened?

yeah but who?

0-1 against the run of play. We have had bright start, Charlie pulling a fine save out of Davis and forcing a few corners. They're first attack, Jackson shot from distance, surrounded by 3 town players.

Bloomin' Jackson.

Thanks Belfast. The rest of you aren't fit to wipe Jade Goody's decomposed cunt.

Macklin's been sent off for Torquay against the pox.

Good lad

I have a worrying feeling that the Wilson Out mongs are going to start to find their voice.

Who is tonight's scapegoat given Lucas isn't playing?

Already ffs

Weather must be bad ooop north. Both Rochdale and Hartlepool games abandoned.

It's miserable up here.

We have had 20 corners already

Manks, oh wait he's not playing either.

It will have to be JP or Vince's fault then

I'm going for a cigarette. I'll give you a weather update for Swindon.

Terrific point black save from Smith

In Farnborough it's dark.

Cheers.

why are you not listening on world Rich pullen and FB? Its free

Dry here

Ritchie fires a shot into the side netting

I'm on my mobile.

how is it free? where is it free?

Good save from Austin header following good work from Thompson and Caddis

14 day free trial

oreyt yeah, you have to enter your credit card details and that though

Anybody know what the adverse weather conditions were that caused the Hartelpool and Rochdale games to be abandoned?!

It's quite windy here.

I could listen to an actual radio but I'm busy watching masterchef.

A dark cloud looms over Hartlepool at all times. That and it's been super windy and rainy up here all day.

Apparently it was a bad mistake by Thompson, after he started off well.

Sounds fairly end to end but with them having the better chances, and their keeper is playing a blinder.

Elliot is doing my swede in. STOP SAVING OUR SHOTS YOU CUNT

Sounds like their keeps is having a blinder

Another great save from Austin! Fuck sake! We sound dangerous tho!

Their keeper makes another good save from Austin.

Lloyd Macklins bee sent off for Torquay

Revell scored 2 for Orient

So close from Caddis!!! So unlucky!

Caddis shoots wide, just wiiidddeeee

Caddis shoots wide. We are creating plenty of chances.

Our football sounds great. Passing all over the place and making some threatening runs and crosses. Surely we must score soon.

I'm fedup

Have a chang

I've just put my lucky glasses on... We never lose when I wear them...

Why dont you wear them every game?

Well that's set my mind at rest.  Thanks.

Because sometimes I like to look unintelligent

Plus if I wore them all the time I wouldn't be able to call them lucky glasses

Why am I refreshing the page?

We'll either equalise in the dying minutes

Or

Equalise and then concede a late goal.

BBC stats say weve had 6 corners and 7 shots.  They've had 1 shot.

Thompson's having a mare from the sound of it.

That won't make Bangkok feel better.

He's in bangkok, Im in Glasgow.  Not arsed with making him feel better!

Touché Nash.

I wish somebody would make me feel better

Lovely ball in, hits Pericard on the chest and straight in to Elliots arms...Half Time

only 1 conceded

Are we in injury time yet?

I like to know as I can then brace myself for us letting another goal in :(


(or not)

Meh

Do you have a knackered back? I do.

Evening chaps!

Gonna be a long night and a long season!

What time is it for you mr. กรุงเทพมหานคร อมรรัตนโกสินทร์ มหินทรายุทธยา มหาดิลกภพ นพรัตนราชธานีบุรีรมย์ อุดมราชนิเวศน์มหาสถาน อมรพิมานอวตารสถิต สักกะทัตติยะวิษณุกรรมประสิทธิ์ สีแดง?

well according to my dad we are playing fucking shit! phone call to him was so different to hodgetts commentary, im not sure what to think, my dad is a pericard fan and he said he is fucking awful tonight.

Are you our defence in disguise?

[DV]No the night will be the same number of ours and the season will be the same number of weeks[/DV]

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Last time there were lesbians and we scored twice. That's all I'm saying.

Late enough to be bordering upon early.

How did you get my real name?

My brother says we're giving them the ball and looking ropey at the back.

I'm in your mind. Ask me nicely and I'll suck on your desires.

Started well and look good going forward but defensively we're fucking suspect! Morison's having a bit of a mare and their goal was thoroughly avoidable, and they could gave had a couple more.

Charlie austin has been superb. Created a couple of chances for himself, one with a brilliant turn, but he's getting no help from vince what so ever.

Prutton has also been good, and jp and caddis haven't been, bad but the back four have been woeful.

All in all not good at all, fine going forward but they look like scoring every time they have the ball.

My desires need a good sucking as it happens.

Do it bitch

not plating too bad going forward.  but only Austin looks like scoring with 2 good saves from their keeper. look a bit dodgy  at the back though.

this post has come via free WiFi access at the county ground. god knows whose router it is.

anything been said about frampton? heard from a source he's back at millwall injured and that there is also unrest I'm the dressing room.  hope its all the normal bluster from players who are out the team. that or bs

Frampton has an ankle injury according to the OS

You're old man is right. Swindon bloody awful. Pericard worst of a bad bunch. Only Charlie and Prutton coming out with any credit so far.

Ritchie skins the lot of em passes to Austin and Austin misses from 7 yards

Austin, 8 yards out, over the bar.

fucking hell

2-0 down cunty cunt cunt cunt

Cunting bollocks shit

free head.  cunt

oh pooo :headhurts:

2-0 game over

Oh for fucks sake.

Damm it  :crash: :crash: :crash:

BOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh For Fucksake!

Wino Louts

I'm chipping off for a month. Not flouncing, but this shit makes me realise I have priorities that are far more deserving of my time.

See you in December.

Hate football.

A bientôt, Bangkok.

อำลา

Anything happening? Have turned off the commentary. It was annoying me.

Insult woo
wino louts.
Toil won us,
toil own us.
I soul town,
nil outs - ow,
****** ***.

They're still talking about the game.

Fucking hell... we really are missing that leader/solid defender we needlessly flogged. It's criminal he and Paynter were never replaced. It's ruining our entire season.

O brien on for Caddis, Ritchie switches over to the right side. Dossevi on for Pericard

Ooooh. Now theres a shock.

playing utter wank now

Who did he come on for?

The club made so many inroads getting people back to the CG and now I imagine they'll start disappearing again.

COME ON YOU REDS!

I've had the same sad thoughts

Did nobody like my brilliant poem? My feelings are hurt.

Don't care, as long as he has some idea how to defend.

However, if that was the case he probably wouldn't be playing for us :(

We are mid-table at best, say we are mid-table at best!

Got a win a couple more games to justify that we're mid-table fodder!

 :badmood:

FFS 0-3

This is utter shite

We won't come back today

This is total SHIT

Charlton will be loving this after our glorious smash and grab in May.

Time to ask some serious questions.  :( :crash:

Im not looking forward to saturday anymore  :(

There's a Facebook group that will give some opinions!

Another fantastic save from  Elliott. We have goals in us, but our defence is just rubbish. We cant be a force without Douglas it seems. Squad depth lacks quality.

Relegation fight.

Fucking school boy. Time for Wilson to earn this money and sort this shambles out.

Positive thinking, thats the spirit.  :)

Fuck shit cunt wank aids bollocks cock


Aah, thats better.

Sort it out ffs

well well well we need a new team

EVERYONE OUT!

or well we will to go for the JPT and look to next season it looks as if Marine will go further in the cup than us

Is it 4-0 yet?   :(

It's very difficult to try and be positive after the last few matches

Soon  :(

we need to stop these match threads :cry:

Phil King just called Dossevi 'Dossevi' ! He must have been practicing!!

Every cloud... :D

blow the whistle please

Lets all Blame Nemo for starting this thread!

Walking out of the ground early. Wilson can fuck off that was humiliating. Anyone who doesn't think were in a relegation battle needs their head examining. Fucked off and had enough

Blame the threadstarter, twistic threadstarter.

Dossevi skies it over the bar from the edge of the 6 yard box

Hmmm.  I hate knee jerk reactions, but have to admit the alarm bells are starting to ring.

We need more bodies in that squad.

3 shots on target and 9 off target suggests we could have done better tonight, rather than we were just awful in every department. But results are alarming at the moment and something HAS to change.

Must say the twats who usually text in after the match will be quite justified tonight.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Sorry but that was piss poor-we were shit

Night all. I'm off to let my Brighton supporting work colleague the score  :cry:

Not cool Swindon, not cool.

Good night.

Play off finalists to relegation fodder.

Please sort it out Danny. Like alex has said something has to change

:(

3 years in now then Mr Fitton and we are back just below where we started. Ince signed Sodje today - why weren't we in for him?? Why can we never fucking sign anyone. We had about four months to replace Paynter before the window shut and we never tried. Everyone around the club thinks Pericard is just cashing a pay check yet we still play the mother fucker... he is utter gash. Aside from his Messi-like ball skills, searing pace, salmon like leap, tevezesque work rate, silky touch and a predatory 40-goal a season threat what does Vince bring to the party? Fucking joke of a cunt of a footballer.

Serious investment into the playing squad needed to keep us out of a relegation scrap it seems....

Rant over. Fucking furious at how poor we've been this season - an embarassment to the shirt.

Think Sodje was at macclesfield same time as Ince

that was shite

Cos our fucking board dont want to spend a lot of money

oh well we are in a battle at the bottom what difference 6 months make what are  we are lacking

Sorry. Totally wrong about Sodje  :-[

we have let in 27 goals so far this season

lucas was a one season wonder imo and phil smith has always been shit

That 6 months thought really does call this rank result into stark question  :doh:

I genuinely can't see why they cleared £7mn of debt just to run us on a shoestring. Greer was sold to pocket £250k but it's looking shite business now we're shipping 3 every week.

I don't think we "overachieved" last season either - we played some excellent football and had shape and heart in our play. Danny doesn't seem to have answers though...just questions.

someone is going to say we are only 7 points off promotion
we are only 1 point away from the drop

someones also going to say ffs its only november.

Or the fact that sodje is shit??

FFS - It's only November and we're only 7 points off promotion ::)

Worse still it's 19 in 7 league games since we beat Huddersfield.

That's almost 3 per game, you can't expect to score 3 or more goals per game to get any points.

They need to go back to basics & work out how to defend properly.

No Tans, Sodje is fucking Franz Beckenbauer compared to Periturd.

Least Sodje can head a cunting ball.

Absolute crap, no idea!  No spine in the side, no pace, unable to pass, no passion, infact there was fuck all to enthuse about.  Pericard was crap, O'brien even worse when he came on, JP was ineffective, Morrison hardly won a challenge.  Fuck it, has Wilson lost the plot or is there an underlying problem in the dressing room.

calm down you lot.
we wont be in a relegation battle.i'm 100% convinced of that.
we aint where we should be,but we will not go down.chrlton are one of the best sides in the div,tonight wont decide our fate.
mistakes have been made and things need to change,but it's about how stfc react to the disapointment of what's going on.
we need to write this season off,as we dont have no choice anyway.

Maybe if more fans paid money to watch us when we good then we'd have more money to spend. Anyway that argument is rubbish. We have paid for players and are paying some decent wages to many.

The players aren't playing to their full capabilities for whatever reason.

What happened on Manchester Road? It was closed apparently.

My fault, sorry all. I retire from threadstarting.

I would hope he is what with being a defender and all ;)

Terrorist incident apparently - Ali Kaheeda's keebab house had a new printer delivered...

:D

The crispy liberation front?

Si Pie - bullshit. We've made a profit on transfers at a time when our gates have been the highest they've been for 15 years.

The sheer futility of your argument renders me gestureless.

Fuck off, The liberation front of Crispy...tchh The crispy liberation front... splitters

Tans - well done on identifying the position the Kaiser played fella. Not bad kid.

Pericard is a poor man's Trevor Benjamin. Does that work for you?

And we also still have to fill a financial hole - did we suddenly make a profit last year?

Too many players out at the moment, and too many players simply not good enough. We are not playing to our strengths and by playing JP in the centre for example is a prime example of this. He was one of the best wingers in this league last year.

How many out there today would get in the Charlton team we played, only one for sure.

Apart from Prutton and Charlie the whole team were wank. I have a bloody cold and feel like shit now, the result didn't help!

Thats better, very good :D

(still prefer jamie slabber though)

Ticket prices are cheapest for years too though. I'm not saying more money isn't needed, but we have spent money and maybe its for the wrong players

enough is enough, i wont hold back, so if you dont like it fuck off, that was humiliating pericard is useless, dossevi shit, defence needs  totaly replacing, austin needs to be captain only player with any fucking passion, wilson should be given a maximum of 2 more games as this is gone on far too long and IMO aint gonna get any better it will soon be xmas which many on here said that is the time to judge him on, we might have beat them to get to the final but fuck me we had our noses rubbrd in it tonight and were firmly put in our place, good night :(

As the straightest man on this forum by a factor of 4.6 I'd willingly suck Slabber off if he would decapitate Vincent Pericard.

Methaphorically of course.

That was absolute shite tonight and quite frankly embarassing.  Barely anyone on the pitch in Swindon colours looked interested, the defence was a shambles as usual and the midfield virtually non existent.  We supposedly played 2 up front, but Charlie might as well have been on his own.  Didn't listen to Wilson's interview, so not sure what his take on tonight's pathetic performance was, but he has to start shouldering some of the blame. Morrison and Cuthbert clearly do not work together and Pericard, well the fact that virtually the whole DRS cheered when he won a header just before he was substituted said it all.  And did anyone understand the point of bringing Ball on for Richie?  Why not go 3 up front considering we were losing?  If we lose on Saturday and again next Tuesday, our season is over and I think it will be bye bye Danny.  Yes folks, I've officially joined the slitting wrist brigade.  Utter crap.

Quite simply, we are paying the price for not replacing key players. We need to stop relying on Austin.

Was awful, the 'what a load of rubbish' chant at the end summed it up, that really wasn't good enough. Vincent Pericard isn't good enough, he's lazy, he's slow.....he's shit.

Charlton were set up well, Parkinson has done well to rebuild their side considering the amount of key players that they lost in the summer.

Sacking Wilson is the last thing we should do. I still think get Douglas back, a decent holding midfielder, let Frampton get settled in and we will be ok.

Pericard is not good, but we don't exactly have an abundance of ritches to replace him with. That's the trouble, we have fuck all depth. We have a decent 6/7 when fit but that's about it.

Shit game, lack of atmosphere, no passion, no commitment, no quality. The whole team were poor- every single player.

The Wilson brigade can fuck off though. The goals conceeded tonight were extremely shocking. He can do nothing about that. Frampton needs to partner Cuthbert in defence. Caddis needs to go to RB, that is down to Wilson to sort. And sort it, I think he will.

First half wasn't that bad in that we got forward enough to force a number of corners, and Austin was denied twice by the keeper and Ritchie a foot or two away from equalising. We didn't look mega dangerous Austin aside.

Unfortunately the defence looked the bag of shite it currently is. Easily bullied, always vulnerable.

The second half was the biggest load of dog shit.  Absolute crap f the highest order. There is no point in saying more than that.

Players than "done good" : Austin, Prutton
Players who can hold their heads up: Smith, Thomson (given it was his first league game - not yet a first team player mind).
Players who were dog shit: Everyone else.

Our issue: 3,2,0,1,5,2,3,3 = 2.375 goals conceeded per game in our last 8.

The confidence is draining away.

I like what you did there and you've obviously lurked for a while. Nice.

i take it from your upbeat post you didnt witness that shit

the problems have been obvious for months.i dont get the surprise from some of you and now blowing it out of proportion.
key players have gone, and the shape of the team was changed to accomodate new players.we were never going to mount a promotion charge without like for like replacements of greer and paynter.2 massive losses to the side and so bloody obvious from the outset.

there is only one way we will do what the majority of fans now demand(challenge)and that is to spend money on quality.not packing the squad out with dross to make the numbers up.we need quality over quantity.
can't see it happening so get used to it

Well well.... How on earth can Wilson explain this one?

Speechless really. Utter crap.

I think sacking Wilson would be a big mistake, he has a track record. The board will prob realise we dropped a bollock not replacing Paynter and Greer sufficiently. Selling Greer now looks like a massive mistake for the back 4. We were shit in defence before he got here, shit now he is gone. Hate to say it but Greer must have really been a good captain for the back 4. Lucas has looked poor not having the steady head in front of him. I still hope Frampton can replace Greer. Paynter was more I think a person you would love to have in the dressing room, the players unlike last year dont seem to give a shit.

I did see it, yes it was shit but Frampton may be part of the puzzle to fix our defence. Not going to slate a guy who hasnt had a fair crack of the whip so to speak.

And this was the difference in a nutshell.  They looked like they wanted something from the game and outfought us in every area.

Also shows that it is possible to rebuild on very little money after losing key players.  The difference here is that Parkinson's brought players into the positions where they were most required. He's also clearly playing them where they should be playing and not out of position just to accommodate his favourites!

smith 7 - did nothing wrong, i thought he could have moved for the second goal but it was a good header
thompson 5 - looked out of his depth bless him
rose 4 - offered nothing but a hoof down the line or to an isolated striker
cuthbert 5 - at least looked as if
morrison 4 - looked as if he wanted to go home
caddis 4 - never looked like he'd offer much and the ball didn't really ever come to him to do anything with
jpm 2 - fucking shite. tried to win the ball back but that counts for nothing if you're going to do fucking nothing with it
prutton 5 - not a mom performance. he gave a toss yes, but often tried a stupidly overly clever ball which didn't pay off
ritchie 6 - looked sharp but ultimately didn't have much to feed in the box
pericard 4 - got bored of trying to win headers to head it on to a charlton defender. to be fair i would to
austin 7 - looked like he gave a toss, unfortunate that all three of his shots were saveable.

dossevi 5 - brought the wingers into the game when he came on but
aob 0 - can't pass or control a ball. any good work he did (ie helping create dossevi's corner flag attack) is again written off due to his inability to bother being a winger. he came inside for 95% of the time he was on the field
ball 6 - same as ritchie, looked sharp but ultimately any crosses would be futile and headed away

my comments
we're relying on austin to score goals (who apparently monstered the ball into the town end once the boos started at FT)
douglas's replacement in prutton is not sufficient
no plan B again

it's annoying to play the "if game" but if charlie's shots had found the net i think we'd have won that, charlton didn't look significantly better than us, just had a ruthless edge

So, the guy who signs on a months loan and is now injured with an ankle injury is our potential saviour?

Have a word Gaz, we need a lot more than one defender.

I don't know why people are going on about the board not spending any money, do you think they're paying the likes of Prutton and Pericard peanuts?! The board are the least responsible in my opinion. They've supported Wilson when he's requested a player.

I just don't understand how we've gone so far backwards from last season? Prutton and Charlie were the only ones to come out of tonights game with any credit. Smith didn't do much wrong either.

Let me see:

Smith - Couldn't do much with goals, kicked ok, saved one ordeal.
Thompson - First and last time I e seen him. I hope.
Cuthbert - Got turned a few times too easily. Seemed to head the ball up in the air instead of away several times.
Morrison - Didn't look as strong as he usually does. Not sure where he and Cuthbert were for their third goal.  The guy had literally 4 yards free around him.
Rose - Hooooof. Not good enough. Can certainly cross a ball, but very poor defensively with poor distribution.
Caddis - Didn't do much. Barely noticed him on the pitch before he got subbed in the second half.
Prutton - Worked hard, ran around a lot. Was tough for him considering he had JP next to him.
JP - He just clearly not a centre midfielder so i don't want to be too harsh. We lose everything he's good at when he's in the middle.
Ritchie - a few promising runs but he's lightweight. Struggled in a poor team.
Austin - Easily towns best player. Considering he's only been a pro for just over 12 months, the rest of the players should be ashamed of themselves. Felt sorry for him. No service, and nobody good enough to play with him. His work rate alone put the others to shame.
Pericard - Surplus to requirements. I've gone easy on him in the past, but he was awful tonight. He's a big lad but won very few headers. His control is terrible, he's slow and doesn't try very hard.

Dossevi - Missed a sitter, didn't do a great deal but put it a little effort.
O'Brien - Another player I've gone easy on in the past considering his injury problems. He's a waste of space, and how he has the Gaul go wear yellow boots and drive a White Range Rover I don't know. He's an embarrassment and needs to be shipped out. The sooner the better.
Ball - Looked lively in parts, but he's not a winger. Rather see him up top with Charlie than Vince.


And breathe...

Key players lost last season,Striker,Left winger and centre half,players bought in? Right back centre midfielder and a left back.

That was fucking awful and like i say with players when they play well i will praise them and when they are poor they will be told and thats no different for Wilson he needs to fucking sort it soon.Not just him either Shirtliffe was praised for his great defensive work last year so where is it this year.

how was the ref bennett? did he get your evil tongue?

Brighton

he wasn't too bad, he gave soft decisions either way!

Who wouldn't discuss a 2 year deal for Greer?

In my opinion they looked ten times better than us

Quite:

Sheehan, Greer, Manks/Derby, Ward, Ferry, Douglas, Paynter  - all players that were pretty much ever present last year and didnt play tonight. In fact those that are still here haven't played in the same formation/settled team. And JPM and Manks have both been woeful when they have played.

That's irrelevent now tbf. I'm more baffled at Wilsons persistence in stupid formations stupid subs and blind faith in some total utter shit

They were. Set up extremely well, Semedo in the middle ran the game and every time they went forward they looked like scoring. Our defence couldn't deal with Aniyinsah running at them.

i respect your opinion deano, they were clearly more organised etc

oh and why the shitting hell did neither fullback or a centreback look for the ball off smith instead of kicking it into a gale?

The man speaketh sense

Obviously Bennett they felt knocking it long to the gigantic ritchie would work

Fucking shit, I practically broke the sound barrier getting to the game from Plymouth today, I managed a two minute stop at home, a couple of words to the wife, a kiss on the forehead for my son, then out to the game without any tea - and I was treated to that fucking horror show... (and a pie that tasted like regurgitated dog faeces)

I made the effort tonight, so what happened to that bunch of fucking morons?

Bunch of passionless, witless, aimless twats (Austin exempt), I wish itchy genital herpes on them all.

I fucking hate football...

We're lacking a leader at the back
We're lacking in confidence
We're lacking a partner for Austin
We're lacking grit and determination
We're lacking decent fans in the town end rather than the mongs I had to listen to all game
Bright spot for me tonight was prutton...
the old cliche of you don't become a bad player overnight is so apparent in many of our players which means only one thing....
We're lacking in mental toughness and perhaps most players expected this season to be a stroll in the park
Mate pointed out tonight that we played Brighton and weren't much in it...they're on a roll and now expect to win games

how foolish of me!
i did like it when we banked on aob in the same ploy

One of the worst things about tonight was the way the teams heads went down after the second goal. Thought we might have at least made a fight of it.

Charlton were ok. Took their chances well but were nothing special.

We could really do with a big lump up front who can just win knock downs for Charlie. Someone of Wayne Allisons ilk.

Optimistic sorta fella usually but that really was cack.

Not really all that sure where we go from here.

Same here. Left work early, nipped home quickly to see the wife and my boy. Then travelled up from Swansea to witness that shower. And now ve got to drive all the way home.

Wahey knew it wouldn't be long before someone had a pop at the funs. Listen it's not our fault they are not performing is it. Wilson has spent massivly in terms of fee's and wages since he come here and to be fair some of them are good players but if he can't get them playing it's pointless. The board have backed him to the hilt and players like Lucas,Douglas,Pericard,Prutton,Sheehan are not on low wages so the board should not be blamed in this.Wilson in my opinion is playing players for the sake of playing them and won't swallow his pride. Our Midfield finnished with 2 left wingers and a right winger in the middle while Timlin is sawnning around for Southend.

Go back to basics for fucksake

Jeez, at least I actually live near Swindon, (I only work in Plymouth 1/2 days a week) I couldnt face a long drive home after witnessing that... I'd be all alone with some dark, dark thoughts swilling around my brain....

I hate football......

Did anyone else get blinded by the green laser thing that was being shone from over the Townend? Weird

When does the transfer window open?

could be worse.he could have lived in newport

Well that was shocking tonight. We were utter dogshite and our midfield and defence was like the fucking Red Sea with any of their players playing Moses. All 3 goals yet again were down to fucking useless defending rather than good attacking. Morrison and Cuthbert were both fucking useless. Rose is by far the worst defender I've seen in God knows how many years. Thompson was lost but its only his 1st league game - lucky not to get booked and fair play to the Charlton lad who didn't make a meal of it. JPM was back to his ineffectual worst. Ritchie did OK. Caddis was wank. Prutton was OK in fits and starts. Pericard was worse than useless. Charlie looked really good. His all round game just keeps getting better but if I was him I'd be seriuosly fucked off with the support he's getting. AOB should just fuck off now. He's not looking for the ball - he's not going wide to get it. He's got an even worse football brain than Ifill.
I thuoght the ref was bloody good tonight. He kept his cards in his pocket and tried to let the game flow at every opportunity.
One thuoght for the games in the next week. Going out of the FA Cup in the 1st round and losing in the JPT did for Malpas from a similar league position. Given the targets set by Fitton, will he be brutal. I hope not, but Wilson has really got to sort out a defence that shits itself, aimlessly hoofing the ball forward and the confidence of the players who looked flat after Charltons first.
Oh and with Manchester Road shut you couldn't even get a blow job and a bag of chips and change from a tenner on the way home.
All in all, a bad night - and Nemo is a cunt who shouldn't start another thread.   

If I heard right on the radio, he's got a fractured ankle AND ankle ligaments gone. The only thing he's going to be settling in to any time soon is a pair of slippers.

It's ok, I'm with my Dad. Then again, it's his fault I support Swindon in the first place. Child abuse for sure. Can't wait to inflict the same punishment on my boy!

Alan!!!

Alan O'Brien isn't a footballer is he.

That was fucking turgid.

Does Frampton fancy moving into management?

At least then I'd be at home by now.

Has Wilson been interviewed? Or is he still reading them the riot act in the changing rooms? Hopefully the latter.

Yes, surprisingly he felt that there were postives to be taken....

Thing is it's easy to blame people like O'Brien but in his defence what the fuck is he going to do at 3 nil down? Don't get me wrong he is fucking awful but blaming people like him is just papering over the cracks.

I'm rarely negative on here but after that tonight some serious serious problem solving needs doing by the players and managment.

He wants you to show him the way.

Well sorry peeps,............dire,fucking dire..all has been said.

What a performance to put in for poor Fred who is laying dead............passionless on the pitch,,,clueless off it.

I was writing a war and peace reply of what is wrong at the club, but I'll sum it up instead.

Whilst Wilson can find good players and get them playing well, as soon as things start going wrong he doesn't have a fucking clue. We saw it last season when opponents set out to disrupt our style of play and he couldn't deal with it, if he had we'd be in the Championship now. We're seeing it this season as well, he can't find that winning formula so he's making bizarre and random selections and tactics in the hope something clicks.

Our squad is as strong if not stronger than last season and our performances and results just aren't good enough, it's all going a bit Malpas which is very, very worrying. Annoying as well, our attendances are way up this season but that isn't going to last and all the hard work will have been for nothing as we move backwards again.

The most worrying thing is Austin. He is our best player by a long shot and if things carry on like this he won't want to hang around when the inevitable offers start coming in January. If he goes, we'll be totally and completely fucked.

Reading that, you've just saved me ranting on. Spot on post.

Was also thinking myself that Wilson may, and I emphasise may, only have a few weeks left. This as per chalkies_shorts pointing out Malpas and what happened when we were knocked out both cups. Wilson has also been given a fair whack of resources as well the last couple of years. I really hope he can turn it round but judging on tonight and the atmosphere in the stands, I fear the worst.

Utter wank. First half wasn't too bad. At least we looked to play the ball around at times and created some chances. 2nd half was complete shite. No fight, no passion, no attempt to win 2nd balls, awful passing (most of it long) laziness from pretty much every player bar Prutton and Austin. Totally clueless at the back all game. They walked all over us and we didn't close down and constantly let them run at us. Hate to say it but we're getting worse and not better on evidence of tonight. Shocking.

This sums it up perfectly in my opinion. Great post

He finally came out around 10.30. I switched off half-way through and can't remember most of what was said other than that he'd read the team the riot act (my phrasing) and it had been largely one way. Oh, and Nathan Thompson can hold his head up high because he wasn't nearly as bad as most of them.

I think I was! I know there's a later train, but i'd still be on it now if i'd waited for it.

The game was shite. Nothing more to add, though the criticisms of pericard are harsh. He was getting booed for not being able to run fast which, last time I checked, isn't something you can easily fix on the training ground.

Should have watched the facebook film :(

the squad isn't stronger.it just has more bodies

Not blaming O'Brien for the result buddy, but he clearly aint a footballer is he.

Morrison and Austin were the only decent players for me tonight, maybe Smithy.

I have no idea what the problem is because it aint obvious - will need to sleep on it

Prutton,Caddis,JP etc.......where was the support for young Thomson tonight........god how does he feel after that debut.....did ok in my opinion.

Morrison, really, Morrison? The tall one at the back. That Morrison?

It's a game of opinions I suppose.

Charlton were a physically strong and reasonably quick side. We had no answer to it, and tried to play like Brazil in return. That's all I can really be arsed to say.

Oh, and it's partially Ben's fault because there weren't any lesbians.

if you want to go down this route his track record actually counts against him as overall it's pretty poor and he's never got a team out of this league at the right end.
I'm not saying he should be sacked or anything but I don't think he deserves much longer as he isn't as special as you seem to thing, but then I guess you sponsor him so that tells me everything I need to know

Those two players you mention aswell i really wouldn't be suprised if they leave in January i wonder who will be here longer though those two or Wilson.

Out tactic seemed to be hoof it forward and let Doherty and Dailly head it back to us. That worked well.

The couple of times we actually got it down and played we looked quite good.

Thompson was a bag of fucking nerves poor kid and had a shaky start but got into it a bit second half I thought.

Hardly surprising as we've got a proud tradition at the CG of getting on our young players backs if they aint fucking pele out of the blocks.

Oh shit. I knew I forgot something.

To be honest, I don't think the team can rely on lezzaluck forever. Even if we'd done a mild turnaround for a 2-2 draw at some point tonight, it would just be throwing mouldy wank rags at a pebbledashed toilet disaster.

Sack Wilson after 3 moths of the season. I think not.

We ain't Real Madrid. We don't deserve to be in the top 6 by rights. We missed out last season and that's gone. Repeating it may take time, so long as we aren't in a relegation scrap this season will have gone exactly as I feared. "kicking on" from last season was never going to be simple with half our squad dismantled over the summer.

Thought thompson positioning was questionable for their first (Though not his fault cuthbert and A.N Other had millions of chances to get rid), and he was absolutley mullered at the back post for their third (could smith have come out and helped him?) Looked very much like a young lad making his debut in a team devoid of confidence. Will be interesting to see how he grows from tonight, as he did a few things well

For the third goal, Rose was nowhere to be seen, all AOB had to do was stand his man up instead of giving the guy acres of room to deliver a bloody good cross but where were Morrison and Cuthbert. To be fair to Thompson I didn't see any player other than Prutton offering him any advice or help.

I think arriba's got it bang on in these two posts. Most of us expected this side to challenge this season (me included) and were really excited about it. So the come down of the disappointment is all the harder. arriba was one of the few who kept his feet on the ground about the overexcitement so he's not got that same level of bitter disappointment now (don''t mean he's not hacked off, I'm sure he's as pissed off as the rest of us, just less of a disappointment because he anticipated it where most of us didn't). Fair play arriba, speaking for myself, I got sucked into the hype, you didn't and you were right. We're not as bad as we were tonight and we won't go down, but we're nowhere near as good as we thought we were.

It was from our corner they scored the third wasn't it? They broke forward a lot quicker than we tracked back

Yes Batch but he has been given the funds to replace such missing players and hasn't.We have bought in 2 centre midfielders yet this season 6 different players have played in that position.3 different left wingers 4 different left backs 4 right backs and 4 right wingers.Our most effective players are being hampered and pretty much fucked off with wilson playing players to justify his signings.

I'm not saying lets sack him but to just have blind faith and hope he will be ok is stupid imo

Quote from Wilson after the game straight off the official website:

 "Virtually all our experienced players are out injured at the moment which is obviously of little help to us"

Seriously does he expect this excuse to fly? So Douglas Amankwaah and a lesser extent Sheehan and thats all our experience gone is it?

You have good days..and bad days.............but as long as i watch Swindon Town i wont accept a team without passion....a team without passion that was Swindon Town tonight.

OK so what do you do then? You have to let him get on with it or sack him. It is my opinion a mid table finish is not enough to sack him for. A relegation battle then maybe but I'm not sure I would then - as long as we don't go down.

Personally I can't see us attracting a better man for the job.

I think the difference is this season, we don't have the excuse of being a side who hasn't put down a few bob on improving the squad. We're pretty much up there this time around with the bigger budgets in the league, not necessarily on transfer fees, but certainly on wages, and if you're gonna put a decent amount in, you expect a decent amount back. So far this season has produced zilch and we'll end up cashing in on our main asset if we're not careful.

Dear jim will fix it, get rid of our shit manager, Josh aged 8

Ive said it before.

Bring Jerel Ifil back please Dannyboy

We can be unhappy with him without wanting him to be sacked. If he can learn from his mistakes then all will be well; last season buys him more time for that anyway that it would for say a malpas. If the same things continue to happen though, his position must become questioned

Oh hell yes. No matter what the quality/expectations etc that display tonight was just bloody unacceptable. I was ruminating more about our overall position

My original post was aimed at Glos_robin gingerDave:



I'm not happy with him myself in terms of formation/personel played out of position.

That's not my decision is it but what i will say is if you think this board will be happy to see their investment finish midtable then so be it. Wilson has had the backing far far more than Malpas did and has a much better squad of players than he did and at this moment in time is doing no better than him.

I'm not one for saying sack the manager and all that shit but when you go so long without being able to win games when going from behind and bringing on dogshite players in the hope of turning a game around you should at least expect some flack. He rightly took all the plaudits last season but these are times you show your managment skills so lets hope and see if he has that in his locker.

Does a serious football league team ship 14 goals in 5 games?

We're a third of the way through the season, heading for about 51 points by game 45 and apparently getting worse

Gloucs Robin commented before the game that we've supported shit teams who've had shit players who've played shit but at least they tried whereas this doesn't feel quite the same.

This feels wasteful and I'm sort of half remembering some of the monkey hangers fans comments about Wilson on here.

At this stage of the season it is fair for judgements to start coming in.  C'mon now Danny, it's time to show your strengths and get this sorted.

This isn't even an official matchday thread. We expect a good performace from the players when we can't even get the thread title correct. Pathetic.

And, it's only November...

Well said DRS. To take just one example, I don't see what question AOB is the answer to.

Unless it's "What could I possibly do to make us look any worse?"

Well it worked.

Who is the best at playing hide and seek behind opposition players whilst ignoring the massive chasm of space down the wings?

PS, I'm not disagreeing with you DRS, I just don't think his job should be in question in the imminent future, which some people implied.

Insult woo
wino louts.
Toil won us,
toil own us.
I soul town,
nil outs - ow.
****** ***?

The worrying thing is that he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes.  He continues to make ridiculous tactical and formation decisions and as previously mentioned never seems to have a plan B if we come up against the more physical teams.  This was a major problem last season and as Jonny pointed out a few pages ago, effectively cost us promotion.

I like the bloke, but unfortunately I have a feeling that he's taken us as far as he can.  The next 7 days is a very important one for him as a manager.

fwiw, i'd keep him on untill the end of the season regardless. This club needs some continuity and stability.

'ow, oil nuts!'

That's all i've got. Bit shit really and makes no sense.

Whilst I agree with you I'm not sure the board will.

Malpas was sacked after going out of both cups in a week and a dreadful run of form in the league.

Wilson has had a bigger budget to work with, and although last season should get him more time, the next three games are massive. Go out of both cups and he'll be under pressure internally I would imagine.

"Wilson out?"

It makes sense and is well clever.

Remember two season ago when Wilson left hartlepool and we were all amazed he suddenly became available because they felt he had taken them as far as he could.... Sound familiar? Personally I think they were wrong and so would we be to jump the gun.

There's a distinct lack of good managers who are either available or would be interested in the job if it became available. If we were to get rid of Wilson who would we get? I'd guess at someone like Dowie, who wouldn't be a step up whatsoever in my opinion.

This is Danny's first real test as our manager, saves us from relegation first off and then gets us into the play-offs, and now he's facing a bit of a tough time. Fans slowly becoming disillusioned again, team playing poorly. After last season's heroic efforts, not to mention steering a steaming shower of shite the season before to safety, I do think he deserves the chance to turn it around.

Changes need to be made for sure, but I want to see what Wilson changes before jumping the gun and changing Wilson.

I got owned:)

This

first real test as a manager? maybe as our manager yes...

Nemo out!!!!!!!!!

12 Smith  - Didn’t have much to do made some good saves, couldn’t do anything really about the last 2 goals, free headers
02 Cuthbert  - Ball should go forward not up
03 Rose – Rubbish, The old hoof ball just doesn’t work with this team. Stockport really must have been shit last year for their fans to rate this guy
06 Caddis – Forgot he was on the pitch until he went off. People were wanking over this guy, so far he has failed to live up to his billing
14 Morrison – Ran back and tried to chase things down, largely absent most of the game
23 Thompson  - bit lightweight on the ball but had a go, just down to inexperience really.
07 McGovern – Absolute rubbish, mind you he is NOT a central midfielder, rapidly becoming the player of 2008/09 again 
10 Prutton – Ran around but did this stupid, foot over the ball bollocks to play it out instead of pass and play
22 Ritchie – Had 2 players on him and couldn’t do much. Probably third best player on the pitch
09 Pericard – Absolute fucking rubbish, if he was a horse he would be taken out of the back of a barn and shot.
32 Austin  - Put in a shift and looked like he was bothered unlike the rest of the shite that was out there (Apart from Prutton)
16 Ball – Should have started upfront with Charlie, looked up for it when he came on.
18 O’Brien – Always out of position, never ran forward, just stood there clearly afraid of getting hurt, did fuck all, better off having a bag of sand out on the pitch
20 Dossevi – Trying too hard and needs to calm down really, missed a sitter but Charlie missed 2 so….can’t fault him for trying.

Wilson – Well the fans are starting to turn now, 2 games to save his job as some have said? Bollocks, who is going to replace him? If you look at the people we looked at before, Kinnear, Money etc. I’d rather stay with Wilson who has a proven track record. Other than that we could end up with Phil Brown if we sacked Wilson. Personally I think sacking Wilson would be a massive step backwards. It appears we have spent big wages on players like Prutton etc. but should maybe have spent more on lower key players perhaps and actually have a squad of players instead. Far too often our bench seems to have mostly Youth team players on it. Timlin as poor as he is at times, needs to be re-called ASAP, to play central midfield instead of McGovern.

Think that's what he meant. Its a good point in my opinion, obviously a lot of people venting their frustrations in the heat of the moment but don't think it calls for the club to do anything rash.

We've not played well since the Huddersfield game (and maybe 2nd half vs Rovers) but let's see how Wilson and the side respond now over the next month or so.

Whilst I agree that we're dangerously close to moving past just a few one off bad performances into something far more worrying altogether about the quality of the side, I'm not sure the sky is falling in just yet.

One thing I'd echo of some posters above is that although I can take the odd bad performance - that's just part and parcel of being a fan - I'm much more disappointed to see the players not trying or playing with any passion for the team.

This is the issue at the moment, why isn't the team motivated?

Didnt think this would be a good night and Frampton not playing just added to defensive problems. No strength in depth in our squad, so no Sheedan, Douglas and an in form Amankwaah, Ferry and Lecs means we are down to the bare bones. Are these absences down to Wilson - I dont think so.....!? Desparately need these men back and performing. O`Brien is the most frustrating player I have seen for years and I think its time for Pericard to take a rest ( he always looks knackered ) give Dossevi a go - a risk certainly but he does look like he wants it sometimes....

Prediction for Saturday - not good - at least we can concentrate on the league...!!  :sherlock:

Dressing-room splits? They certainly don't look like a team in harmony

Doesn't appear to be any real leader, That said I think thats why Frampton was brought in but ofcourse he is injured so.... back to square 1 really.

Woe, woe and thrice woe!

Im going to post this and then look back.

That was as poor as i have seen the Town for many a year.

Its up there with Malpas, McMoan and Beamish....

Charlton did'nt even have to make an effort and a really good team like Brighton would of smashed 6 past us.

Even their fans didnt seem too impressed, i bet they wish they could turn the clock back or play us every week!

59% pocession to Charlton....fuck me we are supposed to be at home!?

This has been coming for a while now, Saturday was shit and it was glossed over because Yeovil self destructed and we got lucky......i was there and no cunt can argue with me.

Only Smith did alright in my book for making the block save..........everybody else piss poor.

How many times did 3 yard passes go astray? :suicide:

How many times did balls up the wing go out of play? :suicide:

How many times did we not hit row z when defending? :suicide:

Fuck me....its basic stuff. :doh:

For me, Wilson and the team are in the shit and they have to dig themselves out or we are in danger of spending the season at the wrong end of the table!

AND.....If Austin goes in January we are royally fucked.

I am not going to Plymouth now, if they can't be arsed to show up, neither can I.  I dread to think what the gate for the JPT game is going to be?  Club should let us in for a quid as an apology.

i dont think so.i also think they are fighting for the cause.
it just aint happening for them imo

So win u lot!

Louis Town?

fwiw my mate is friends with someone who knows a couple of players.  I know I know . . . from what he said the dressing room isn't a happy place, Austin was wants out and some players are asking questions of wilson!
 
whilst I believe this was said, my take is a losing team will always have such moaning and its just the normal letting off steam. go on a winning run and they'll be looking for contract extensions.

austin has a dilemma for sure.whilst the team has declined this season he has got better.his all round game is improving all the time and he is bound to get offers from elsewhere.

now does he stay out of loyalty and hope it gets better?or does he fuck off and chase the dream elsewhere?

I believe Austin will leave in January to a Championship club, he wont want to hang around on a shit team unless we improve dramatically.

True dat. It'd be more worrying if they were all sat in the dressing room singing Walt Disney hits. After some of the performances we've had recently, there damn well should be some cafuffle in the dressing room. It's how they come out of it which will be telling

Austin has progressed so much he is playing at a different level to everyone else in the team. He really is starting to look like someone who could go all the way. If we want to persuade him to stick around in January, I really think we should have a go at playing David Ball up front with him. I know he's young, but he's about the only other one who looks like he plays his football on that higher plain, and at the moment he's being completely wasted.

When the opposition arrive with two vastly experienced but immobile lumps in the centre back positions (Dailly and Docherty), we should have been using these two to pull them all over the park with quick movement and quick passing instead of expecting Pericard to somehow outmuscle them.

What got me, was that we had 6 corners in a row pretty much, in the first half. We lost every single header. Surely someone has to give direction on how to 'mix it up'. It wasn't working so something needed changing.

The problem Austin has at the moment is that he needs to get on the end of his own flick ons and nice touches. He's trying to play both the Austin and Paynter roles of last year - and can do them both bloody well. This year he's not just a goalscorer - his hold up play, intelligence. movement have come on leaps and bounds and he's a lot mre physical than last year. Basically if i was him, I'd be looking to leave. If i was a mid to bottom Prem team, I'd be looking at him, not only to score me goals but as an investment to sell on to a bogger club.
The world is your oyster Charlie boy and you're only get better again. 

I'd love to read some Charlton threads.....i bet they never stopped laughing til they hit the M25!

http://www.charltonlife.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=37667&page=1#Item_0

:(

this sums it up i think:

    * Red_Pete
    * CommentTime12 hours ago

 # 20
Just home from Wiltshire. Delighted to watch a very professional performance from the lads tonight. The wind was very, very strong and blowing straight down the pitch. We struggled when playing against it in the 1st half and Robbie had to make a couple of very good saves from Charlie Austin. When we did manage to clear our lines, however, we looked good all over the pitch. 2nd half, playing with the wind, was much easier and we totally controlled the game until we took our foot off the pedal in the last 10 minutes as we saw the game out.

Highlight was probably Robbie's 95 yard wind-assisted pass to Waggy to cross for Benson to head in the 3rd goal. I've never seen Robbie celebrate a goal so enthusiastically as he ran round his team mates accepting the plaudits for the assist! soapy tit wank.

All 11 players were excellent tonight, but MOTM has to be Joe Anyinsah. He chased everything and scared the life out of the Swindon defenders.

Swindon battled hard throughout, but we just had that extra touch of class in eveything we did. Parky shook the hand of every single player as they left the pitch and got some big hugs in return. As no substitutes were made tonight, I fully expect a few of tonight's team to be rested for the cup game on Saturday.

COYR!!

cheers Gazzza...


The 'Last Post':

All the lads played great tonight apart from maybe Francis! Racon kept up his good form and Ayinsah well he was immense. Putting himself about, never stopped running, showed real passion as did they all tonight. Although Swindon were dire.

Fucking Dire indeed!

I guess the saves their keeper made in the first half didn't happen then? Smug cunts.

Charlie would've had 4 himself without their keeper making some excellent saves.

Yep - really annoying when the opposition play a goal keeper  :cry:

after last nights performance you would have thought they would be training all day obiously NOT!!!!

That's what I said mate.

if we're still tripe in jan, then i'll be worried. but charlton have turned things around, so no reason why we can't do the same when we have douglas/ferry back, frampton settles in etc. One thing is for sure, defensively we need to tighten up, while mcgovern has to play on the wing. He delivered an immense cross from the right last night, so let's get him out there when dougie's back.

the main thing that annoyed me last night was that they seemed top want it more. get f*cking stuck in lads!!!!!

Charlton were pretty good i thought, even if we had played well i think we would have got a point at most.

They have much more quality on the park especially the centre of midfield where we missed Dougie and their 2 boys ran the show.

only because jp ain't a central midfielder. if we'd had dougie it would have been more of a contest. I doubt semedo has had easier evenings that that.

I'm still not convinced by putts, although thought he did ok in parts last night. Not a bad player, just not sure how he fits into the machine. And Ferry needs to get back to his best, too...

I still cant work out what type of center midfielder Prutton is, attacking, defensive, box to box, etc.  He doesn'y seem to fit any of these categories.

Oh and i thought he was as poor last night as pretty much everyone not named Austin or Smith.

I have been away for a while but has JPM been playing Central Midfield for a few games? I really don't understand why he doesn't play on the right, where he is surely best suited. I am no football manager but is there any reason why this wouldn't be the case?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11758_6483923,00.html calling Swindon are softies

Its obviously why he played in the middle last night. Douglas injured, Ferry injured, Timlin out on loan - that left just Prutton - we had to have a second in there.

Hopefully he no longer persists with it because, quite frankly its fucking stupid playing JPM in the middle and not on the right, even more so when the replacement on the right is Caddis, whose Town career thus far has consistent of absolutely nothing.

I'm not gonna read 29 pages.

But that was a pile of wank.

Bit harsh....there were one or two good points made in that lot.

 :D

Irrespective of what type of centre mid he is,he did good last night imo

Here's a question for anyone to answer - out of the summer signings, which, if any of them have improved/strengthed our side in your opinion?

Clearly none of them...otherwise we'd be doing a bit better.  Of the much vaunted match 6 months ago v Addicks....only 3 players  started last night who started back in May.

7 games ago we were just about level pegging with Charlton, who've also had a few changes...we've hit a bad spell, whereas they've hit a good spell, although they were thrashed by the Gayers.  Our bad spell has coincided with a bit of loss of form and then injuries etc, this is essentially down to luck....it happens. Last season we were quite fortunate this season not.

We're meant to be supporters...so let's fucking support...

Well said, Reg!

Maybe we could do that, or at least one that actually keeps a shot out before we're 2 goals (or more) behind  ;)

I agree with Reg we are building for the long term just need to keep hold of Charlie for a while

Not going to happen is it. Far too good for the likes of us. If we are lucky he'll get the rest of this season out of him.

He wont be here or in L1 next season.

Lucas J,Coxy,Paynter,maybe Austin..........all gone so that dosn't smack of building for the future....Henshall.

As a club we dont build for the future........not a snipe at the board..just the way it is.

Coxy, Paynter and Henshall wanted to leave. Not much you can do but cash in.

Cox went for what, £1.9 million? There's no way we could turn that down, and a player of his quality didn't deserve to stay in this league for any longer.

I agree completly......my gripe is that even a third of that money spent on new talent would help in a promotion bid......the club have pulled in nearly three million on player sales in the last two years....and spent maybe £250,000 tops.
Of course we have to balance the books.....but this year our loan signings havn't worked out and Pericard for Paynter has failed miserably.

Bang on.  Reminds me of the beer ad (Carling?) from a few years ago that asked: if fans had transfer values, what would you be worth?  The bed-wetting howls of the Wilson Out faction have had me cringing with embarrassment this week.  First poor run of form and they lose all composure/sense of perspective and panic.  Wouldn't want any of that lot next to me in the trenches, that's for sure.

Anyone who thinks the manager who took us to Wembley in May needs sacking 3 months in to the new season is a bona fide idiot...and probably needs to bull up on some recent STFC history.  We chopped & changed managers far too frequently in the early 2000s.  And it got us nowhere.  What's needed now is a calm head and a steady hand on the rudder.  Away you go, Danny.  Show us you can turn it around.

Great post Ardiles. 100% agree.

Yep any proper supporter would be going to Rochdale however we are playing ;)

I hope he does..........but i feel a bad defeat on Saturday could spell danger...and lets not forget that Fitton got shit loads of abuse for hanging on to Malpass to long...once bitten.

The ball retention last night was very poor.

We need to give the home fans more. If they have to start grinding out a goalless draw then thats what theyve got to do.

The squad has no balance, playing players like Cuthbert and McGovern out of position is just rediculous. Town need to be very active in january, buying and selling. We need to set ourselves new targets, try and get ourselves top half. The cup games are the big ones in the next few weeks.

Very sad, but I honestly think the Orient game needed to be our time to put down a marker. Weve never got going this season, spent far too long trying to put square pegs into round holes.

Malpas had no qualifications for the job in the first place so what happened 2 years ago should be totally irrelevant.

The funny thing about last night is that despite us playing terribly and every player bar Austin, Prutton and Smith having a complete shocker we actually created more chances and the best chances. On another night we would have won 3-0.

Not that it excuses the performance. But it shows that Charlton, along with the rest of the division, aren't up to much either.

The main issue is that we have lost the spine of the team(except Douglas) ala Paynter, Greer and Ward and not brought in adequate replacements. Lets look at who was brought in during the summer:

Rose- cannot defend to save his life- main strength is set pieces and free kicks
Dossevi- Cannot see him scoring 15-20 goals- hope i am wrong
Prutton- not sure what he brings to the table- signed just on reputation
Ball- Young and still learning
Ritchie- as above

Add to that players being played out of position- for example McGovern. Why move him from the right when he had the most assists in leaguie one last year. Pericard- total waste of a wage in my opinion. And what is it with Wilson signing midgits- against the towering defenders in this league just doesnt work.

Charlton also lost the spine of their team in the summer but have brought in like for like replacements- unlike ourselves and the difference was there for all to see last night.

In short- we need to find some players to fill the void left during the summer- as well as shipping a number out who simply are not good enough for a promotion push.

Wilson needs to turn this around and damn quick-still think he needs more time but the board i am sure will act should we still find ourselves in this position(or worse) at christmas.


 

No shit sherlock

Totally agree :)

If its that obvious - and it is

Why have we done nothing about it, still.

So do SOME STFC SUPPORTERS only SUPPORT when the team is winning? :(

Thats not what people are saying is it sean

i think there's a massive difference between being passionate (and albeit internet warrior style constructive) and then just not supporting the team. maybe you should prove yourself and criticise shit you bad weather supporter you!

Can we clear this up once and for all. Are you Sean Morrison?

Fans question a team when it isn't performing. Players question their fellow players and manager when its not happening for them.

C'est la vie.

Performances on the pitch don't have much effect on my level of support.

I think I get some kind of perverse pleasure from watching them playing shit, it gives me something to moan about, then I can shake my head in disbelief before finally showing off my comprehensive football knowledge by explaining in detail how I'd do things differently and better than Wilson.

It is really hard to know what has gone wrong (especially from this distance), apart from the obvious - injuries, suspensions, international call-ups which have disrupted the team, and not allowed it to settle into any obvious pattern.  My view at the beginning of the season was that the squad was stronger overall than those we ended last season with, but we had not replaced the individual flair of Danny Ward, who was crucial.  But it seems as though the kety really is the loss of Greer, not so much for his defensive role - which was good but erratic at times - but for his inspirational captaincy.  That is what seems to be missing, and, great player as he is, Douglas does not seem to have had the same inspirational effect.  Ritchie seems to be providing some of the Ward magic.  Could Frampton provide the 'stage direction'?  Let's hope so, if he is not badly injured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/9157053.stm

Nathan Thompson really shouldn't have dived in, but that is down to inexperience for the first goal. He will get better I'm sure.

Since when has a left winger been part of the spine of a team?

You're assuming of course that the wage bill has remained static. Investment in the team isn't always in the form of fees paid, I'd guess we've invested considerably in increasing the wage budget this season to enable more quality to be brought in. Whether that money has been spent wisely and resulted in more quality is, of course, another matter, but I don't think it's true to say the investment's not been there, even if it hasn't been in headline-grabbing transfer fees.

i mentioned a few weeksa ago about the spine being a problem.
last season we had.
lucas
greer
douglas
paynter..... as the spine through the middle.all had a great season


compare that to this season and you see where the problem lies.
lucas(poor form)
morrison(too big an ask to dominate in there)
douglas(steady enough, but as good as last season?)
pericard-austin(pericard well meh,and charlie is better as the second striker)

Note to Bart what arriba has detailed is the spine of the team as it involves a keeper, centre half, centre mid and centre forward.  A left winger is never involved in the spine.  Agree with alot of what you have said arriba but I think this season even more so than last season Douglas is key to our team, before he was injured he was returning to last seasons form and the team was improving with him, since he has been out we have nose dived performance wise and position wise within the league.

Oh seriously just go do one will you. If things aren't going well we're bound to be unhappy and ask questions, you can't just sit there and go 'jolly good show chaps' when the team blatantly aren't putting in 100% and playing like a bunch of Camels........... well appartently you can.

First time I have touched this thread since Tuesday.  Arriba has got it pretty much spot on IMO!

You can't put any blame on him for the first goal. A Charlton player was lining up to shoot and he was within blocking distance so he went to block it, just unfortunate the ball deflected to their open player. He was also the first player to get behind Smith to cover the line and almost got back in time.

Not sure about the third goal as they missed it. But the defending on the second was shocking with Rose left to mark two Charlton players. The midfield should have been dropping back to help out but were nowhere to be seen as usual.

I'd agree with this. Infact I think it Thompson who made the block that stopped their guy scoring from the first shot, as you said - luck of the bounce as it went to their unmarked player.

Well Thompson shouldn't even need to block it in the centre of the pitch, it should've been the CB's jobs! Shocking!!

Well, exactly! which isnt Thompsons fault!

Thompson wasn't really to blame to for any of the goals but in terms of all round game he's no where near ready for 1st team football and it's a sad state of affairs that we need to play players like him, much like having to use Billy Bodin in the Dagenham game who is also a million miles away from being ready.

The biggest problem with Thompson for me was that he looked too nervous and as a result didn't play with any confidence. Which was the same problem with Macklin and Darby when he first played for us. For me the cause is Wilson and the more experienced players not doing their job and giving him the support and direction that he needs.

Though I reckon he'd be a lot better with McGovern in front of him rather than Caddis.

Jonny

You make it sound so simple. How do you know they didn't give him the support before and during the game. What are they meant to do, hold his hand or 90 mins and give him a special confidence pill.

If he's a bit nervous untill he's played a few more games, they can shout all they like it won't make a blind bit of  difference, in fact it might put him off even more.

How will we ever know if he can play at that level unless he plays a few games, gets to khow to be a professional

We had no luck all night, that was a prime example....however ....piss poor overall.

Agree with that, but he better fucking had...I'm beginning to really hate this season.

Some of the bollocks coming out of the right corner of the Town End was embarassing. Who are those people? Well, they're the bona fide idiots that Ardiles mentioned.

Some people...

The wages evens out Paul....the players like Paynter and Cox were on good money..so the likes of Douglas etc are getting more or less the same.
Look...dont think i am knocking Fitton and co i am not.........but my opinion is that even a third to a half of that money spent on Quality not quantity MAY have pushed us on.
They have decided not to spend so thats there decision...who am i to argue that spending extra would have brought results..i dont know.
Personally though a good solid signing when Paynter left was a must.......it didn't happen.

Not quite.

We need some proven players plus invest in the youth and non league there must be more players out there

Easier said than done!

I agree but we should try

We can't make major changes until January. Until then Wilson needs to get the best out of the players which is something he managed to do really well last season.

For those moaning about lack of spending and the such. We were satisfied last season and this season we anticipated the likes of Dossevi, Caddis and Prutton would be key players and performers. The majority thought this squad was stronger than last season's.

It's easy to say things in hindsight but none of us imagined we'd be where we are now and especially not due to lack of investment (which I don't think is the problem incidentally).

Wilson needs to get the most out of the players like he did last season. Hopefully he'll tell them to buck their ideas up or they're out of the squad and eventually out of the club. With injuries and suspensions he hasn't got the luxury to do that right now though.

Thought that was what we've been doing?

or trying to, along with the other 23 clubs in the league.

A case of easier said than done.

And you know that do you? Seen the wage bill? Even if true, I'd be willing to bet Douglas, Prutton, Caddis, Rose, Ferry all will be on bigger wages than what we'd been paying last season. Even with two out, that'd be a substantial increase.
Don't think you are knocking them, I just think you're underestimating where the spend has gone in and to what extent. You're making assumptions on the basis of an incomplete picture (as am I to be fair) and neither of us know whether it's actually true or not, so to draw conclusions from a flawed premise like that is, IMO, something of a fool's game

Agreed SP-pretty much everyone was impressed with our new signings before they'd kicked a ball for us

Which is surely the point? Most think they are good players but they are not performing well so rightly they are asking questions.

It's not a new fad that has suddenly crept in is it,fans are pissed off at players and managment not performing at the moment yet anyone who voices that concern on here is shot down straight away.

Given pretty much this whole thread consists of people voicing precisely that concern without getting shot down, I call "bollocks"

Bang bang, I shot you down
Bang bang, you hit the ground
Bang bang, that awful sound
Bang bang, I used to shoot you down.

None of us know what our wage bill is like and we won't till the next set of accounts are published.

I'm still looking for an explanation as to why our wage bill jumped so much over the last 3 years of accounts (average of £3.7m) compared to the 3 years before that (average £2.5m). If the big jump was due to the previous board being a bunch of twats and pissing money away on big money contracts then maybe it will start coming down again.

Is the problem that we're not spending enough or that we've got the wrong players in though? That's the point I'm making and in no way shooting anyone down.

If Fitton gave Wilson another few hundred grand and we got in another Dossevi, Prutton and Caddis what would be the point.

Form is temporary, class is yada-yada....

My mate reckons he's been told pericards on 7 grand a week. I told him he's talking bollocks, anyone heard any similar?

From what I've heard (going back to the Paynter debate) our self-inflicted wage cap is 5k a week if that helps.

The wage bill has gone up over the last 3 seasons because we've bought in much better players on much bigger wages, simple. But revenue has also increased as an indirect result and as a result of the hard work put in by the board.

Last season the chanes that Austin had on Tuesday night were buried.

It just isnt happening for us.

It was the lack of basic thought and skill that i cannot abide.

Rose kicking the ball into his own hand on Saturday was a classic.

I agree with you so we need some luck?

chances...