Thetownend.com

Is the kit we are wearing at Wembley.

Um why?

really? source?

It's true I just got a text

Spirit of 69 apparently

It's on the Official Facebook. Ludicrous.

Anyone else think this might be a cynical ploy to sell more shirts?

Gay.

Poor decision.

WE ARE RED.

That's our unlucky kit too we generally do shit when playing in that kit, Should be playing in red!

Shocking decision, Awful decision infact!

We have won at Wembley twice since then. In red.

Thats got to be bollocks....we play in red, Millwall play in blue so why the fuck are we in white...

Oh unless its because they have sold out of home replica kits and have a glut of the white ones left......sorry to be a cynic

I dont think we have any to sell spy.

The online club shop dont seem to have any replicas available bar i think the white in size S

I can only think this must be something to do with our sponsorship deals we have, maybe so many games in each shirt etc i dunno.

Can't see any logical reason

I'm aware of that. Take it up with Watkins mate

If it's true we should all start emailing Nick Watkins, We should be in red.

That's fucking stupid.

RED ARMY

Danny Wilson's RED and white army......

Exactly.

If it was another cup final rather than a play off final then they would have more reason to wear white.

I hate this.

Because of this we have to wear red:-

In 1993 we stumbled over the line, having been in contention for an automatic spot. Just like this year...
We played the first leg of the semi final at home, the second away. Just like this year...
We got to the final to play a team who had lost at the same stage the previous season. Just like this year...
We played in red, them in blue. Just like this year...
It's fated to be.

Universal dislike so far, can't see this happening.

Actually, we are unbeaten in it. In all our league defeats we were playing in red.

Not fucking happy.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10341~2057257,00.html

That's terrible. Everyone pisses about with kits far too much these days, because of sponsors/manufacturers deals etc but this is too far.

everyone email nick right now, this is a disgrace

So awful that Paul even went on Facebook to say so. Lots.

Fucking wrong, Red & White not white.

Bad choice by the club, I am dissapointed.

Hate to criticise a board thats done so much, but that is ridiculous. We must play in red.

The board are great but they have got this one terribly wrong.

I'm not too bothered to be honest. Obviously red would be better, but I won't lose any sleep over it.

:) That's the first time I've actually used Facebook. That's how much I hate the idea - even more than I hate Facebook. I'd even be prepared to hate it on Twatter if I knew how

Gutted Red is our colour..

It was aimed at Mr Watkins, Random, but reading back I can see I didn't make that clear. Apologies and that.

E mail sent to Nick Watkins.

I'd prefer we wore red. If only that "come on you reds" is our war cry.

"Gutted Red"? Is that like "Burnt Amber"?

Thats fucking stupid

It might be easier to understand if they explained why, just putting 'the decision was reached...' means fuck all.

Can't really see a valid reason for it though, millwall will be playing in blue so what's the problem with us playing in our first kit?

I think everyone should boycott going to Wembley.

I for one won't be there!

Well I've emailed Watkins asking for an explanation and telling him bad the decision is.  Please everybody do the same!

No worries

I have just emailed Nick Watkins too.

White, white, white's not right.

Although last time we played Millwall in red we lost

Email adresS?

Commercials an be the only reason. If you are EA sports, you get more publicity from this game than the rest of them put together - it would make sense to have an agreement in place just in case we got to wembley.

I'm genuinely gutted. Millwall get their traditional colours, we don't. It's just shit.

hahahah I just added you!
but aside from that - GAY

No more like Entrail Crimson.

I use Facebook and i've not even been on our page! Didn't even know we had one, so just shows the level of your rage. I feel for you paul. :)

Just said one too voicing my disappointment and asking why the decision was made?

This is the reaction I thought I'd have... But I'm genuinely annoyed by this decision.

Um, did you? To what? I'm a bit of a Facebook virgin - only set up an account cos my brother couldn't be arsed to email family snaps. I'm guessing it's good though, so thanks!
Me, facebook or the shirts?

SHIRTS!!!

Ive just brought red hair extensions!!!!

ta, already emailed "enquires".

Rubbish descision.

I didn't either and have just had a look, there seems to be various Swindon Town FC pages, but nothing you can post on?  What's it called?  Will also have a moan on there!

Which one is it on Facebook? I've got a few on there but they don't seem to be the right ones.

the fill the CG page I think

Where?

Fill-The-County-Ground-Action-Group

They have taken it off facebook i think

Turn the own goal into a PR plus. Show the fans you listen and reverse this stupid decision.

Can't see why Swindon should adopt an away kit? ... Surely it's a Red day? Millwall will be in Blue.

If it's an agreement with EA Sports they probably won't reverse it.

My absolute number 1 favourite pet hate. I was thinking as Huddersdfield were playing Millwall in the other semi, 'Great, we'll be wearing red at Wembley whoever goes through'.

Absolute bollocks. A very rare, totally and utterly wrong decision. I'd like to know who actually made it.

lETS KILL SOMEONe!!!!

Spot on.

Paul Likes this.

What a ridiculous decision.If anybody tries to use the argument that we wore allwhite in 69,
both teams played in their change colours.This white kit is our 3rd kit.

I'm reminded of a couple of years ago, when QPR tried a similar thing and wore an allwhite kit
in the play-off final.They lost!

Come on you Reds!

It will still be white even if they did reverse it. You just won't be able to read the names and numbers properly and the label will be sticking out.

So what is Nick Watkins' e-mail address? I don't see it posted anywhere.

It's on the previous page but it's [email protected]

if so, it shouldn't have been made. No contract is unbreakable. Yes, there may be a cost, but Its nothing that can't be discussed with EA.

Thank you!

See i'm a bit of a lemming and now i've noticed everyone elses rage, it's made me feel like an inadequate shit fan for not caring, so yeah, i'm fucking livid now too. :D

Why can't they just swap the logos on the shirts? Or is there some sort of FL rule that means we can't do this.

E-mail sent.

No, it's still on there, just found it.  Registered my annoyance to the list and told everyone to e-mail Nick Watkins!

Thanks for the email addy,have sent Nick an email and asked him to please reconsider.

We'll be playing to a large audience and it's a question of maintaining our identity and history.

Our biggest game in ten years and we can't even wear our traditional colours. It's pathetic.

If it really is a sponsorship/advertising issue then they should just get special 'home' kits made up with the sponsors reversed, a la the away kit.

I've just e-mailed as well, it's important as many people as possible do the same so they understand the true strength of feeling about this.

i look forward to seeing what the response is?

If the initial outrage goes beyond the forums and social networking websites then I dare say there might be a chance of the decision being reversed.

not happy with this at all. was so looking forward to seeing the famous red shirts back in the famous red stadium

I've emailed nick watkins and had a good old moan.

I imagine this is sponsorship driven, that we've said to EA sports "yeah we'll wear this strip a couple of times a season, and tell you what if we get to the playoff final we'll wear it at wembley - deal?"

If this is the case, what would have happened had we met leeds in the playoff final

RED OR DEAD BABY!!

I really, genuinely thought they had their 'finger on the pulse'...perhaps not. Unless they reverse the deciision :hmmm:

From the OS...........

"We had to inform the Football League of our kit choice a few weeks ago," said Town Chief Executive Nick Watkins.

"The white kit is popular with the squad. After consultation with the players the manager's decision was to play in white.

"The team wore white in 1969 and hopefully Swindon Town can enjoy Wembley success again this year."

Imagine if they hadn't announced this until the big day! At least there is a chance to correct the decision.

Absolutely...please everyone e-mail Nick Watkins. It only has to be a few words.

I really can't believe how pissed off I am about this!

I'm sorry, but FUCK THE SQUAD!!!

Any way, how can they inform the League weeks in advance. Two teams could have said they would play in white. FFS that is bollocks!!!

I'm heading off to the country ground now. Anyone up for a protest round the back of the Arkells stand?

And they should be polite ... remember it's not Bob Holt :)

I don't see how they would have had to have told them weeks ago considering that we didn't even know if we'd get this far, get 2nd or who we'd even be playing. Weird.

Why the fuck would the players choose to play in white? Total fucking madness, Surely they would choose to play in the team's proper colour.....RED!

I've emailed and pointed out the Adver have started a "Paint the town red" campaign.

You can see it now...after a hard week's, bloody enjoyable weeks work, Nick drives home, looking fwd to a peaceful weekend. Then the blackberry starts.....

That was because of the red colour clash with Arsenal,so both teams had to wear their away kits.
Arsenal in Yellow and Blue and ourselves in allwhite.I've emailed Nick and pointed this out to him.

Agreed, i kept mine polite and praised them for what they had done so far, but then made my point very clearly about the white shirts.

Sorry. They've done very well to get there, but there are 30k of us paying a shitload of money for this. Do we get a say?

A totally poor decision. Millwall have their finger on the pulse with regard to merchandising for this match...flags, body paint, wigs, shirts etc. We'd end up looking like a bunch of anaemic silver threads waving flags of surrender. It cannot be.

Imagine if we wore the green potato stencil kit in '93!

Absolutely..let's keep some sense of perspective ;) I already feel like I'm over-reacting...BUT I CAN'T HELP IT!!!

The other week they said they liked to play in the blue kit

At the end of the day (I love saying that) if the players have chosen it, then surely we should accept that as they're the ones playing in it. They were also the ones that insisted on wearing the blue a lot, so perhaps they find the red like a bad luck charm or something?!

I also thanked Nick and the board for all of their hard work,but pointed out that this could be
a PR disaster with the fans and to please reconsider this decision.I also pointed out that the
1969 argument is spurious.

Why did we play in our red kit at The Den then?

If they find playing in red a fucking bad luck charm then they're at the wrong club wouldn't you say?!

RED ARMY!! half of wembley in red, half in blue, the classic old school rivalry. Then a fucking white team on the pitch come on what is going on here?

E-mail sent.  We are the Red and White army not a White and Blue one.

Bet you all get emails calling you busybodys! :D

Maybe that was the straw that broke the camel's back? They just can't stand having to play in red ever again.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=128214860527844

I think mine was polite and got the point across....

Dear Nick,
              I'm sure you're aware that many of our fans are very unhappy about the club's decision to wear the white kit at Wembley. In a match between Millwall and Swindon there is no need to change and many of us cannot understand this.
      Swindon Town wear red and what has the potential to be one of our greatest days, we should be wearing our traditional colours.

Please can you listen to us the fans!!

Many thanks


Ralph Austin

Says it all really

http://www.hof.org.uk/showthread.php?t=6969

 :idiot: 1967?

Thickos.  All they had to do was Wikipedia.

They have a point though

I've sent a polite but negatively-toned email. Nick's not going to have much fun reading through these!

Jesus Barry that really is a load of bollocks.

'Hi Nick,

i'm pretty sure you will have received a heck of a lot of e-mails by not regarding the white kit idea, so i'll keep it short...well appreciate everything the board have done for us but on behalf of every swindon fan i have spoken to regarding this, please reverse this decision!

if its to do with the sponsors its not too late to get some reversed sponsor red shirts made just for the day!

thanks,

Steve.'

heres mine...
   
         Dear Nick
                     WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING BY CHOOSING TO PLAY IN WHITE YOU BALDY?! ARE YOU FUCKING STUUPPIDD?! WE'RE SWINDON WE PLAY IN RED YOU CUNT!

                        kind regards,

                                          Wanker


haha

do you think it was polite enough? :)

Anyone who has STFC World, watch the video on Billy Paynter's views on the white kit.

He says ''we'll be wearing white so I'm sure all the fans will too''.

Yeah right Billy.

Just doing my bit for the forum OST. Every little helps. :)

Shocking decision by the club, I am very angry about this! Here's my e-mail to Nick, i've joined the FB group aswell and invited all of my friends, swindon fans or not. RED ARMY!!!

Dear Nick,
 
I'm writing to you asking the club to reconsider it's kit choice for the play-off final at Wembley.
 
I, like many other fans, simply cannot understand the decision to wear our white away kit against a team that plays in blue.
 
Yourself and the rest of the board have done wonders for our club since you took over and this is the first time I can remember thinking that you are making a mistake.
 
Swindon Town are RED, we as fans have been asked to paint the town red by the Adver and our end at Wembley will be bathed in a sea of red. It is our colour, we sing come on you reds and red army. We wont be able to sing these songs at wembley if our team is wearing white.
 
I hope that you will acknowledge the strength of feeling on this issue and inform the football league that Swindon Town will be wearing red at Wembley.
 
Thank you for listening.
 
Kind Regards,

Sorry but he's a TWAT for saying that!

Billy says ''it will be a waste of time wearing red''.

If they do not reverse this ridiculous decision then everyone must wear red and sing red army non-stop through the game!

I'm kind of thinking they won't now because today all the players did a photo shoot in the white kit and the turn around and walk up to the camera thing for Sky Sports today.

That's more or less what I said in a polite way and pointed out that we're known as Danny Wilson's RED and WHITE army not WHITE and BLUE.

I don't imagine they would have realised the outcry this would have caused, so will be interested in what the response is?

That was just Billy trying to be funny...and failing obviously. He wasn't even thinking about what he was saying.

I honestly don't think they will reverse this decision despite the uproar about it.

What the fuck were they thinking?!!?  :suicide:

If they don't reverse the decision we need to sing some songs about it on the day.

E.g (to the tune of it's just like watching brazil)

Play in red
We should be playing in red

"Oh say can you see..."

[url width=400 height=300]http://thejourneyback.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/us-flag.jpg[/url]

Millwall will sing are you Leeds in disguise!

That'll be Burnt Umber surely?

Im surprised no-one has mentioned the fact that our white kit has blue on. Millwall play in blue...





I don't actually care if we're in white, red, orange or pink. I just want to shit stir, cause that's what this thread is - shit.

Sorry, i haven't read through the thread but have we ever won in the white strip?

Neither can I, I'm really pissed off!  The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that this decision was reached.  I'd be interested to know if any other team has played in their third choice strip in a Wembley final?  Somehow doubt it!

 
 Perhaps he was having a 'Leeds moment'. Whoops !

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=128214860527844

It's our 2nd/away shirt. The blue shirt is the third choice.

I take it that no-one has had a reply from Nick Watkins.

To be fair it is nearly half 7 on a Friday evening.

We are unbeaten,except for a penalty shootout loss at Wolves, in the Carling Cup.

Results in it :

Wolves (CC) 0-0
Walsall  1-1
Exeter  1-1
Brentford 3-2
Exeter (JPT) 1-1
Charlton 2-2
L Orient 0-0

Of course but I and a few other were emailing him around 5pm so thought they may have been maybe at least one reply.

Hopefully we will hear something on Monday morning.

That's a surprise, I thought we'd lost a few times wearing it.

It's about tradition, not superstition though isn't it?

Exactly

No, it's all about "marketing the brand" these days

To be fair, that's Nick's 'work e-mail' address so I would hazard a guess that he won't check it tonight.

Boy is he in for a shock when he does!!

I believe he is busy arranging things to do with the small matter of wembley or something like that.

Unless his Blackberry is going off non stop right now :D

I'd guess he and everyone else at the club has had a pretty busy week. Wouldn't blame him at all for having a POETS day and sneaking off at 4 - they must all be knackered.

[url width=301 height=301]http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac291/i_am_the_stiffmeister/29777_408825566640_252705101640_456.jpg[/url]

NOT happy with this decision myself but it seems the players & manager are happy with it & they're the ones that matter. At the end of the day if we win it'll have fuck all to do with the colour of our kit will it ?  :wink:

See the thing that's really noticeable about that picture is that apart from the shirt everything else is RED. Because that's our fucking colour!

Exactly. So why change it?

I have no idea why - lets just hope it all comes right on the day

Danny Wilson's white and white army


Hmmm.....

email from nick watkins:


thank you for your email regarding the white kit.
now fuck off you fat cunt and mind your own business
regards
Nick Watkins


he has a point, ive been swayed.

   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:   :clap:

Jesus wept! Some of you really need to get a grip.

I'd prefer us to be in red, but if seems we have a squad of supersitious jessies who need to be in their favourite coloured kit to win a big game, in which case they are as big a bunch of ninnies as the whingers on this thread!

Still, if it works like it did at Leeds, and like it did in 69 then nobody will be complaining will they?

You seem to be the only one with that opinion to be fair. Do you not see that it is a strange decision they have made.

It didn't "work" at Leeds, and it didn't "work" in 69. We just happened to be wearing kits that weren't red at the time.

I can't believe that's really AHounsell with that opinion.  Is somebody else using his id.

We have to play in red.  Simple as.

Just emailed Nick Watkins

Um, as the Adver's front-page headline tonight was 'PAINT THE TOWN RED'  shouldn't they be leading the 'it must be red' charge? Adver must be good for something.

I'm pissed off that we're having to waste our time over a decision that should never have been made.

It would be a bad move for the Adver to challenge the club as far as their mutual relationship goes

That's why their reporting is so anodine then

What response do people expect by e-mailing Nick watkins? The decision has been made. Lets get on with it. Like others have said, it doesn't matter what colour we play in - we're at Wembley for fucks sake!!

It's still a fucking joke!

It does sound more like the sort of thing I'd say :)

He does have something of a point - I'd hate it to become a dividing issue between players and fans or indeed any kind of a distraction in the week leading up to such a massive game.

Still wrong though

I don't think people expect him to respond, it looks like we'll be wearing white no matter what - its more a case of registering the feelings of the overwhelming majority.

But are they?  Would any of them actually dare to say if they weren't?


Exactly.  As extreme as it may seem to a few people on here, this is putting a slight downer on the whole build up now!

But, at least it is taking peoples minds off of the ticket fiasco...

I'm with Sippo - WE'RE GOING TO WEMBLEY. So shut up.

Agreed, We definitely do not want it to be a distraction to the players and staff but it is a shockingly awful decision, Maybe they should have consulted the fans' and asked us first before going ahead and deciding on wearing white?

I'm with Sippo also.

I was going to wear the white shirt to Wembley anyway, before this announcement.

Sorry but it does matter what colour we play in. Red is our traditonal colours.

Do you think Newcastle fans would be happy if they decided to wear red in a final?!

Its part of our identity. That's the reason its a bad decision.

Disgust has been registered, nothing more can be done.

only just seen this and am posting in response to the first post(aint read more than the first page)

a fucking ridiculous decision.put it right fitton!

Swindon are RED!

Like why the hell did we wear blue against Fulham and Leeds, and White against Wycombe?!

Lovely, I don't much care if you're going in a floral flock to be honest, I'm not going to watch or support you. But the team wear red, it's part of the identity

Taking your points in order:

1) Reverse the decision or at the very least get some sort of statement saying they fucked up
2) Of course it fucking matters what colours we play in.

I bloody well do!

Still think they should have asked the fans before making any decision.

white army!
come on you whites!

doesn't work does it?
for the crowds singing alone, this decision must be reversed.

Fuck me. Poor loves ::)

You've not got a fucking clue man.

Maybe they're just trying to go old skool by playing in our original shirt colour?

Weird thing is, we were all singing "come on you reds" at Charlton despite playing in blue... I guess most people will do the same at Wembley whatever we're wearing.

i know. it just wont be the same though.
the more i think about it,the more i dont understand ther decision.
it is utterly ridiculous

Just out of interest does anyone know why we played in all white at Wycombe when we could have played in red?

I expect most fans didn't know there was a decision to be made.

Red Vs Blue - in both league games both teams have worn their home kit.

Why should there be a decision now? Clearly there was one to be made but I still don't understand why.

I'm sure nobody could tell you the answer for this

Must be a marketing decision to do with EA Sports, If not then it makes the board's decision look even more ridiculous.

Probably to do with an agreement with EA Sports that we would wear the shirt a certain number of times.

why would the colour matter to ea sports?

This. Just assumed we'd be wearing red didn't even think about it. Dunno why the club did.

On the OS, it says after discussing with the players DW made this decision to wear white.

There are always discussions on here about what bizarre kit change we make at places this season such as Leeds, Fulham & Wycombe

Because there could have been an agreement with them that we would wear the away kit should we get to the play-off final? That's probably not the case but if it is then surely we could have had EA Sports printed onto some red shirts?

...as the white kit is the only one where they are the main sponsors. On the other 2 its 442.

I don't understand why the player's would choose to wear white either? Considering our traditional colour is red and our main kit is red, I just don't get that.

ahh. that'll be why then.

Yes its a strange decision but I dont see any reason to chuck my toys out of the pram.

We played in white in 69 because the players thought it was lucky, Arsenal played in Yellow and Blue so we could have played in red if we'd wanted to.

I just cant get worked up about this, sorry. People were kicking off about it at Fulham aswell, but the sky didnt fall in, the team played well and 6,000 odd Town fans had a great day out in London. Whats the big deal?

To be fair in every game we have lost this season we have worn red. Maybe they do see it as a bit of a lucky thing. The blue seems to be the lucky kit but obviously we can't wear that.

I totally agree with what you're saying, We all expected to be wearing red without even thinking about it.

However as the board were obviously open minded about wearing a different kit hence asking the players then surely they should have consulted the fans and asked them? They should have asked the fans not the players in my opinion, Then again they should just have gone with red and not bothered asking the players at all and left it at that.

Bloody hell you lot. I for one genuinely don't care.

the play off games are a bonus for sponsors.3 televised games that we were not due to play.all their logos will get plenty of camera time

Bloody hell?.....bit mild for you DMR,i like you angry.

I moved away from the PC for a while and busied myself doing other things and tried to come round to the minority's way of thinking and thought back over the last week's events.

At this precise time last week, the majority of us were at the CG getting superbly behind the team wearing red to get a decent score to give us the best chance in the second leg.  At around 9.10 pm on Monday night, some of us were then again when it looked like the only place we were going was back down the M4 feeling bloody awful with the season over.  However, we all know what happened from there, so maybe we should just count ourselves lucky that we've even got the opportunity to moan about the colour of the kit we'll be playing in at Wembley?

No, hasn't worked.  It's still a crap decision and I'm still totally pissed off about it!

Hmm thinking about it (sorry if it's already mentioned):

Red for SF Leg 1
Blue for SF Leg 2
White for Final

the away shirt has FIFA 10 on it.
which is now old hat? World cup games out and FIFA 11 will be soon enough

Also 30,000 came back in red to a town full of red in 1969......we had just beaten Arsenal 3-1..in white.

No one cared then and i wont if we beat those thugees from ol landon tann.

I'll be wearing my trusty 69 replica shirt(and the same pants I wore in 93}

A combination if sleep deprivation and revision has mellowed me out today old chap, I'll try harder you illiterate fucking 'tard.

I think you meant of, you illiterate fucking tard.  ;)

shouldn't the , be a . after chap?

Tradition and identity. It was wrong for Fulham and even more wrong for this game. It doesn't make a whit of difference to the result, but it is part of our identity, part of what is Swindon Town. I assume you'd be quite happy for us to play in yellow at home and black and white stripes away next season? Because if it doesn't matter for this game, our biggest in 16 years, then it just doesn't matter at all.

I'm pretty gutted about it, but it's not going to alter how we get behind the lads come Saturday.

Hear Hear!!

The board have done wonders for this club but they have really dropped a bollock on this one.

Well, of course not. I'd kind of take that as re(a)d

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

Interesting.

It's a massive, showpiece game and everyone watching is going to go 'why the fuck are they wearing white?!'. I really cannot get my head around it and the reasons coming out of the club just dont stack up. What if we were playing Huddersfield? We wouldn't be able to wear white then.

The club probably wont reverse their decision, but they certainly need to know from the fans what a massive mistake they have made.

No matter how many people email Nick Watkins i think the decision will stand.

if we can get sacked managers re-instated we can change the strip well be wearing next saturday

It wouldn't even be so bad if the white kit had red trim. But it has blue trim, so doesn't it actually clash with Millwall's kit to a degree?

Oh well, i'm sure the club will have to respond on this in some fashion, it will at least be interesting to hear what they have to say.

I wouldn't say it clashes, but it will bear a very strong resemblance to their colour of their end of the ground, and very little to ours

Indeed, we will be wearing their colours. Maybe it's all a cunning plan to confuse them and their fans, and when we dick them 5-0 it will all make sense.......

My username is definately the most suitable and appropriate its ever been in this case.

But if we win everything will be all white.

I will be wearing red. Oldest son will probably wear white. Youngest son may well be in black. All Swindon kits.

We will sing Red and White army just like we always do, and enjoy the day.

It is a strange decision but not one I will lose any sleep over.

Danny Wilson's, Danny Wilson.
White and white army, white and white army.

The only possible explanation I can think of other than sponsorship commitments is that they are thinking it could be a hot day and that white might be more comfortable than red to play in. This could also explain the decision to play in white at Wycombe which was a warm day.

Having said that I agree with the majority that red is our colour and we should be playing in our traditional colours.

Blackpool will wear bumble bee orange still....

Maybe they didn't think it would be hot

maybe they think they look hot in white?

:dito:

perfectly put. Football is all about identity. Your club colours are an absolute integral part of that identity..start pissing about with the colours and you start to lose that identity. A club without identity is nothing.

Blackpool are wearing their away kit arent they? Apparantly the shorts clashed, so they decided to change the whole strip.

Oh ffs. We coul play in pink and yellow stripes for all i care. As long as wein I don't give a toss

Whinging for the sake of whinging

you whinge more about the whingers.
miserable cunt you

Tee-hee, touché

I stand by my point though. The colours we play in will make sod all difference to the outcome of the game, so I don't really understand the reason for complaining so much.

 you are a cunt then ;) it's pretty obvious innit?

I wouldn't say I'm a cunt. Just a frothing axe wound.

I can see why people are upset we're not playing in red, but ultimatly I think it's just a big broohaha over a very trivial matter and wish people would stop looking to pick faults in EVERYTHING

i don't like how your picking faults in others for them picking faults in everything, honestly some people just try to pick faults in evverythhingg these days ;)

Watkins has royally fucked up here. He's the CEO of the club and should know fucking better than to change the colour of our strip for a mahoosive game like a play off final.

The press stuff saying that the White strip is the one preferred by the players is total wank as well. I wouldn't want to piss off the players, but it stinks of Watkins hiding behind them and effectively daring anyone to rock the boat by dissagreeing with them ahead of the final.

If its a pre-agreed sponsorship thing with EA, fine. I dont agree with it, but I would understand the decision.

As things stand though, It's a fuck up which stinks.

Maybe our CEO got carried away with prancing around the pitch celebrating with the players on monday night when he'd have been better off doing his fucking job.

 

Ha ha just got in, and 17 pages on kit choice, can't be arsed to read, but would imagine most posts should be on this is, what a waste of fucking time if you've been moaning. (only top that fits is my white one!)

Some great posts and yes at one level isn't it great that there are 17 pages of "disgusted from Swindon" about such a relatively (after what we've been through) minor issue.

However the East end will be a wall (no puns intended) of blue and our's, the famous Swindon Town's, a mish mash of white and blue and black and potato green and just like Brazil yellow and red even.

RED is central to our identity and has been for over a century (or in Fitton-franchise-speak the single most enduring feature of the Swindon "brand") and Swindon Town needs showcasing at Wembley.

Sponsors and player wishes can all be respectfully and effectively accomodated but should not be calling the shots on shirt colour.

For those who agree and who have not already, do give an email to Nick Watkins so that the Board at least has a chance to go back to Red:

[email protected]

U REDZ!

Bob Holt would have never let this happen.

17 pages. Jesus.

Would everybody be happy in a compromise where we play in pink?

emailed

As a pedantic aside, any idea if we will be having the match details (i.e Play-Off Final v Millwall 29.05.2010 Wembley etc) sewn on the shirts?

The board have:

Cleared the debt; brought a professionalism to the Club not seem in decades; introduced high profile sponsorship; appointed a quality manager; released funds to the manager that enabled him to build a strong squad; planned building works that will bring The County Ground into the 21st Century.

Most of you, due to the manager, the players and in no small part the board, are going to watch your team play at Wembley for the first time since 1993.

I can understand disappointment that we won't be wearing red, but some of the comment on this thread are way OTT.

I wonder what people did back in 1969 when we were not wearing red (although suppose Arsenal were the home team??), post each other letters of disgust or call into local radio as there was no internet.

I don't give a fuck really what I wear as long as we win. Ok it would be better in red but will you all be saying "YEAH WE WON BUT WE SHOULD HAVE WORE RED" if we win? Doubt it. Total over-reaction IMO.

I understand the sentiment of red for sure but in the scheme of things given the shit we have been through it really isn't that big of a deal.

Doesnt matter to me its still Swindon

Probably the white kit would be easier to see at Wembley especially with lots of the crowd wearing red ....

If it sells a few more white shirts all the better

Herthab, Gazza

I can understand why you two don't really care. Neither of you are even going to Wembley so leave the discussion to those of us dedicated to actually bother turning up.

Honestly - what a lot of bollocks !  There really has been some nonsense written on this over the last 17 pages !!

On a one off game at Wembley - and if the players are telling the management team they feel more confident in white - then who gives a fuck ?!?!?

We will still be red and White come August - whatever division we are in.....

Shall we take it one step further ?  Sorry - only players who feel more confident in Red shirts can sign for us ???

This is being made into such a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion.....

Fuck off Dan. Dedicated? Takes more dedication to go to some of the shitholes we've played at, where the 'loyal' Town support numbered a couple of hundred, wonder where all the dedicated fans who are going to Wembley were then? (Yes, I bit).

As I said, I'm disappointed we won't be in red but to make it such a huge issue is bollocks. You're all gonna be watching Swindon at Wembley FFS!!!

Fitton out!!

Come to think of it, it's probably just the FA scrimping by only having to have one set of ribbons for the trophy...

Dont talk out of your arse, SS. The political correctness bollocks about being grateful for getting to Wembley doesn't wash. We play in Red. Period.

Milwall aint changing their fucking kit, are they?

Well, it doesn't look like there's any chance of the decision being reversed..

"My inbox has already been inundated with supporters having their say, but we are so busy with sorting out everything to do with Wembley that I cannot and will not reply."

On that basis, I've had my rant and will say no more...apart from to the apathetic bastards who think "Ooooh, it's all a big fuss about nothing/mountain out of a mole hill....blah blah blah"....bollocks to you. You will never, ever understand.

I can't wait for the first home game of next season when we turn out in all white, because the players don't like playing in that horrid red kit ::)

Fuck Off DV. I didnt see half these people make the trip to Carlisle on a Tuesday night where we lost 3-0 and were close to going fucking bust? If the fans you are sticking up for are so great then why the fuck do we get crowds of 8,000 or so???  Funny how 24,000 show up out of fucking nowhere.

Didnt see most of this lot at places like Mansfield, Accrington, Darlington, Scunthorpe, Histon, Peterborough etc. when the coach borke down on a Tuesday night, Boston... the list goes on and on.

I don't begrudge people going to Wembley at all but to say "shut up, we are better than you because we are going to Wembley" when most of the people going probably haven't shown an interest in STFC in many years when myself and Hertha among many others have spent thousands watching this club up and down the country, is a right fucking insult when you know damn well who the fans are that have been there when we have been complete and utter shit from the Andy King/Iffy era and before that.

Slightly dissappointed but we if we win then it wont feel any less special if we are wearing white, blue, green, pink or chocolate brown.

I shall happily wear my white shirt next Saturday now.

Haha, Dave caught a big one!! Reel 'im in VD...

Ps. Is that the Andy King era when we played good football and nearly got promoted to the Championship?

Think Dave was doing a bit of a  :fishing: to you and Herthab, Gary. And it worked in spectaular fashion 8)

Anywhoo, as I said, I've ranted, I've e-mailed Nick Watkins and it's clearly not going to change..so onwards and upwards.

Oh do fuck off the pair of you with your patronising fucking posts !

Political correctness ?  I will never, ever understand ?

For fucks sake !

Halifax on a friday night - Darlington in the pissing rain - more shitholes than I care to remember...

More sad days and nights supporting them over 30 odd years....

I do fucking understand !

I also know we are RED....

But I can't get worked up about a kit colour for one game when it is the manager and players who have asked to play in white....

After all we have fucking been through - it just doesn't seem too important to me...

 

I'm over it now. I still believe it's a shame and it's not irrational to be disappointed.

But it's not something we should dwell on.

THIS.

As long as we don't play in yellow and blue then I couldn't give a monkeys tbh. If the players want to wear white, because they're happier/feel more confident/superstitious whatever the reason, then let them get on with it.

It's a tad amusing that the only thing we have to whinge about - across 18 pages - at the end of a season is what colour Swindon will be wearing at Wembely. What a difference 2 years makes.

Oh I know he was fishing. I am sure people who can't make it, would if they could. I looked at flights back from Spain for the match £220.00 was the cheapest I could find and I dont have that kind of money knocking about and a match ticket on top now so over £300.00 plus my spending money for holiday etc having already shelled out £450.00 to go as well so... I'll find a bar wear my Town shirt with pride and cheer us on like many others will.

Using Dan's logic,  I look forward to seeing 24,500 season ticket holders next season (or is that 14,000 and a waiting list??) and a packed County Ground full of loyal Town fans as well as all our away allocations sold out because they are all such loyal supporters.!!

Administration, relegation, Bankruptcy, winding up orders, etc. etc. The board turn it all around and we get to Wembley and we STILL fucking complain about the colour shirt we are wearing. Jesus Wept!

 :dito:

Well done Rich. The voice of reason. I think it's fair to say that a LOT of people are pissed off and some are not bothered. Either reaction is fair enouth. There's no more to say really, certainly not by me. Are you going to pull a sicky then?

Dave the fisherman. It wasn't even subtle.

I wouldn't be surprised that when you do find a bar with the game on Gary, you won't be the only Town fan in there.


(Just remember, we're the ones in white ;))

Cheers, May have got mixed up thinking we were using our Blue Third Kit!! :D

Think the fact that I'm totally fucked off to be missing the game and am not looking forward to my first holiday abroad in 19 years might have something to do with my reaction (Even though I knew you were fishing!).

Feel like I've been cut off from everything since the euphoria of Monday night wore off. I can honestly say I've not been this depressed for a long, long time.

I'm still going to try and get the day off. They're not football fans so it's proved difficult but I won't let it lie.

I know that feeling herthab. I've had a similar feeling all season.

Totally elated that we're there, totally deflated that I won't.

Me too, In most instances to be honest people would take the piss but most people have had sympathy to be fair and are gutted for me. I tried to say "ah well if the end of this season is seeing us get to the playoff and the celebrations after the game at Charlton is my last memory of this season then what a great way to go away" but in truth. I am absolutely gutted and getting offered free tickets as well which I had to give away was an absolute kick in the balls. All the euphoria leading up to next weekend is getting to me a bit and I've tried to ignore it. Honestly as I cant go, I fly out Tuesday I'll be glad I am not in Town to hear about it!

I am gutted for you herthab. Genuinely, seriously, not joking, no  :fishing:

And for you Gary.

if our kit clashed with millwall's, and we lost the toss then we would all be fine about it.
it doesn't, so is wrong to change from our red kit.not the end of the world,but a piss poor decision nonetheless.
ironic when the club are flogging a load of red scarfs,flags,and other matchday goodies.

i dont care enough to e-mail watkins.he doesn't need to respond to any of the e-mails.just change the stupid decision and play in the kit we should be in.

Traditionally we play in white at Wembley if the players want to.  ;D

Changing our home colours would be different, this is a one off game away from the County Ground. The identity of the club is much more about the fans than the players, and most of the fans, including me, will be in red. 

Look, Ive already said I'd prefer us to play in red, but put yourself in Watkins shoes. The manager and players who have just got us to within one game of promotion want to play in white, are you going to say no? More likely you are going to let them have pretty much whatever they want.

Of course. In that instance, this thread doesn't go beyond one page.

the players wont give a shit what kit they are in.

You're wrong arriba, they like playing in the away kits :)

If the players/manager really did say they didn't want to play in red, that's a bit of insult to the club and fans really isn't it? I can't imagine Celtic players saying they didn't want to play in green and white hoops, or Barca players saying they didn't want to play in blue and red stripes!

Any way, I told myself  I wouldn't post any more on this thread...what's done is done....

 :crash: :crash: :crash:

they've seemed to have enjoyed playing in the red one too.where does it say they want to play in white?

I don't know arriba, just going by comments
made within this thread... I think.

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/8180258.Come_on_you_whites/

Fuckin hell, Gazza - I didn't know you couldnt make the final. You must be gutted. Cant you book a sneaky Ryanair flight back to London on the day? Only costs about 40 or 50 quid return!

Surprised a TEF whip round hasnt been organised already tbh. I'll lob 20 quid in if it helps get you to the game. Genuine.

My wembley tickets arrived this morning. I'm still annoyed about the kit, but the joy of having the tickets in my hand has made me realise that maybe it's not such a big deal after all, we're going to Wembley FFS!!

We can still paint the town red and sing our songs, in fact i'm sure we could probably come up with some rather amusing new ones, not that i'm about start that!

I'll second that - 20 squids for me too if anyone wants to sort........

thought they weren't sending tickets out until Monday at the earliest?  :hmmm:

mine came this morning too.....

Yeah, i reckon we start a Gazza must go to the final fund. The day Gazza stops watching town is the day the club dies. :)

Cheers.

I did think that steve.

oh shit - forgot Herta !!!!

I will put 20 squid in each pot - let's get the boys back for the afternoon !!!

i'd rather help the single parent from yorks who can't afford to go.

i cant afford to go, shall i pm you my bank details?

Who's that?

yes.be sure to include your debit card details too.not forgetting the 3 number code on the back of it

pride_of_wilts

this guy si.

Cheers All. To be honest it's my responsibility to have the money to get back etc. and I don't, mainly because I probably didnt think we would make the final anyway, and if anyone seriously did have money to spare, better to give it to a worthwhile charity or Football In The Community!

Charity is all well and good, but in this case it begins at home!

Have only just seen this.

Absolutely mortified.

What are they playing at? Fucking JOKE!

It's simmering now Spencer! Or is a second wave due?

Basically i came back to work on tuesday pretty knackered and found my boss had managed to turn the place into a complete shambles, so have had a fucking awful week at work, no time to look at anything swindon related. Now this.

Im just absolutely disgusted.

Change the fucking sponsor on the red shirt if that is the issue.

I was moaning about other clubs doing this last season, but I have NEVER EVER seen any other club do this. So fucking pissed off. The FA should never have allowed it either.

Have to add that the fans should never have accepted the Fulham change of strip either. But because we went along with it, this is what weve got.

21 pages in 20 hours is quite impressive (in a lame way).

Still fucked off about this. I don't Nick Watkins understands the gravity of his decision.

What about that fact that sponsorship has nothing to do with it - and the players want to play in White ?

Should we say fuck you players - do as your told ?  After they got us where we are ?

Personally it dosnt bother me one jot...but i can understand peoples reactions...but lets get this straight,the PLAYERS wanted this not the club,the club made a statement to the Adver saying that money or sponsors had nothing to do with the decision and it was entirely the players choice..so if that is to be the truth lets stop slagging the club off.
It is a strange decision by the players but i say its been done now and we need to accept it and move on.

I will defend the those against the decision (as I lean that way too) due to  RED being our traditional colours but the "gravity of the decision" ? I'm not having a go because (as I've said) I do agree but it's really not worth spending the week discussing is it?

Danny Wilson dropping Charlie Austin and Billy Paynter for Pericard and Nouble would be THAT controversial... But this? N'ah, we'll get over it.

No offence but we play in red, the players signed for swindon therefore they play in red, if they dont want to play for swindon a team that plays in red maybe they should fuck off.

This 69 buisness is a load of shite as well. We wore red at Wembley in '90 and '93 and won on both occasions. I'm still annoyed about it but they won't change it so we just have to get on with it and look forward to the game now.

Coz that's not a fucking massive over reaction is it ?!?!?

The management team obviously asked the players what they would prefer and they told them.....

Ultimately the directors could have overruled that decision if they saw it as worthwhile - but I guess they see next Saturday as a bigger opportunity than what fucking colour shirts we are wearing !

All perspective seems to have gone out of the window on this......

It does matter, its part of the history and identity of the club.

Christ on a bike. Really?

Really?  

I've heard that Fitton and Watkins want all white seats at the new CG.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/8180258.Come_on_you_whites/

Just in case you havnt seen it,as i said i can understand peoples reactions but the lge have been informed and there is no going back now.

Tonga maybe the players havnt said they dont want to play in red...they just prefer to play in white,its a big difference,personally i couldnt give a fuck if they play in pink.

I've heard they want to change our name to Oxford Suburb too.

As is over 200 members on Samdy's protest Facebook group in less than 24 hours (around 30% of what the club have managed to attract to the "official" Fill the CG group in several months).

Spencer's right - we (largely) didn't say anything about blue at Fulham so we let the chance go.

Not happy but as Rich P says, I'm not going to let it dominate the week - they're clearly not going to change it, so we may as well focus on enjoying the build-up, getting behind the players etc. But they'd better fucking win in it.

I suppose they could wear red armbands.

Oooooh, I'm starting to get angry again...I must stop looking at this thread :badmood:

Look the jist of my post is why should the players dictate what colour swindon plays in?

Ummmm - because the directors asked them ?

why did they ask them? we play in red.

We should just rename ourselves TNS.

Agreed Tonga,it is abit bafflng but its been decided and its official now so we just got to accept it....like it or not.

Im not accepting it. If you accept it then it will just keep happening.

I wasnt happy about us doing it for normal league games, mainly because it pisses me off when other clubs do it at the county ground.

But to it at the hallowed turf for a once in a lifetime game? No no no.

I know. There's no fucking question to ask!

Yes, we do. Players do not get to change the identity of the club.

Your argument is rediculous!

I think we have to accept it Spence, there's really no choice. All we can do is let them know what a shit, shit, shit decision it was.  I'm pretty sure Nick Watkins is now pretty well aware of most peoples' views on the subject.

i dont believe that the players asked to play in white.
they have played in red all season,the training kit is red,swindon town are red and white and that is how it should remain.

the ridiculous decsion should be overturned immediately

So the song for the day perhaps?

From Wikipedia:

The song "The Red Flag"
The song "The Red Flag" was written by Irishman Jim Connell in 1889. It is normally sung to the tune of "Lauriger Horatius", better known as the German carol "O Tannenbaum", though Connell had wanted it sung to the tune of a pro-Jacobite Robert Burns anthem, "The White Cockade". The lyrics of the first verse and the chorus, which are the most well-known parts of the song, are as follows:
 

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.
Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Then be pissed off at the directors for asking the question ?!?

I am sure they didn't ask it thinking it would cause this much of a fuss....

The fact remains that if the players are more comfortable in White - whether that be for daft superstitious reasons or whatever - then I for one would rather that than them going onto the pitch with something (even slightly) negative in their heads.....

Tradition is important - of course it is....

But we played in White in '69 - England have a better record in Red than in White, and I like seeing England in Red - as do the majority of fans - but we don't start questioning the England management for their decisions about it.....

I wont accept it until they walk out of the tunnel at Wembley.

Obviously if they do it will spoil it for me that little bit.  

All I can say its one massive kick in the teeth for all you shirters. All this 'turn up in red and where the same clothes because the team where red', well now you know what it means to the players. Fuck all.

In your opinion of course....

So you are saying Nick Watkins is a liar now then ?

Fuck me - conspiracy theories might start soon.....

They said they preferred the blue kit a few weeks ago, thats why weve hardly worn the white kit.

I dont believe it for one minute. Its a sponsorship thing. And its wrong!

The reaction after the penalty shoot-out suggests otherwise...

I will just reiterate that.

THE PLAYERS HAVE STATED PREVIOUSLY THEY LIKE THE BLUE KIT. THATS WHY WE HAVNT WORN THE WHITE ONE HARDLY AT ALL SINCE WREXHAM.

It is a fucking lie.

OH fuck off with this means nothing to the players bullshit.

You think they sweated blood to make sure we are where are on Monday night because they don't give a shit. Get a fucking grip.

I hate this too, I've DREAMED of seeing us play at Wembley, so to see us not come out in red is going to tarnish that. But if the players, like has been said, for some superstitious reason, want to wear the away kit, away from CG then fine. We've let it be known that we ain't happy about it, perhaps they'll think twice before doing the same thing again.

Dont think some of you get what I was saying.

When I said "'turn up in red and where the same clothes because the team where red', well now you know what it means to the players. Fuck all."

I was talking about the futility in wearing club colours. Or away kits. Ultimately this is the monster we have created, where a team isnt even allowed have a colour as part of its indentity at a showpiece final.

of course it's my opinion.
i think at most the board posed the question to the team(a question that never needed asking)
i dont think the players are really that bothered at all by the kit

Of course they prefer to play in white. That's why BP is off to Leeds, ennit?

So it's a ploy to confuse Billy into signing for us again :)

My enough Spencer.

Again, a rediculous argument.

The FA do not change from white kits in competitive matches unless they have to.

Probably because they are not allowed to. Probably because the colours of international kits are part of the identity and football history of that nation.

Well if you take that argument further then fucking White is part of our tradition - it's what we played in when we had the biggest day in our history !

Why would the board choose to play in White if the players (as stated by the club - the same club who haven't felt the need to lie to the fans before) hadn't requested it ?

Sponsorship - really ?  That argument simply doesn't stack up - the sponsors logo's are the same on both shirts (albeit reversed)....

The club have no shirts to sell - Red, White or bloody Blue !  They have sold out....

They could have had a whole bunch of them made to cash in on Wembley - but rightly have chosen not to as their will be a new kit next season and the board do not want to rip the fans off....

Your argument just doesn't stack up.....

Erm who are you arguing with SS? Cos I don't think Spence made those arguments, you seem to be shouting at a straw man

they aint sold out of all the RED scarves,flags,pointy fingers,etc,etc they are flogging

I dont think this decision was to sell shirts. I think it was to get EA sports more coverage on TV.

As Ive said time and time again, the players took on the blue shirt as soon as it was available because they preferred it to the white one. So why would they go back for Wembley?

As for 1966, that was because the Germans were playing in white. With England the red and white is second nature because of the flag. White with blue trim doesnt mean anything to us, its just a reserve shirt we should have incase we need to change. The white shirt was still our first choice for the 1990 semi final, and the 5-1 game in 2001.

How many times, why would the players chose the blue shirt all season, then chose the white one for the final? How many times? I'll just copy and paste it if you want?

I was just wondering if it is a precursor to next season's sponsors ...

could be the Klu Klux Klan?

Sorry Paul - go back a page.....

Spence was certainly making the point that this is all about sponsorship and it also goes against our tradition....

I was pointing out that I don't agree with this - it's all about opinion.....

I do understand why people want us to wear Red - I would prefer it of course !

I just think White does go with our tradition - and yeah of course it would be better completely plain or even maybe with Red trim, but the shirt is predominantly the same colour as we wore in '69 ......

Maybe Spence they would choose White as we are unbeaten in it this season ?  It might be as simple as that ?

wilson to players..."the club want to know if you're ok to wear the white kit lads.is that ok with you?"

greer as captain speaks for group after mumbles and whispers "fine with us boss"

watkins says after reading angry e-mails.
"the players want to play in white".



this is how arriba see's it!

Tis true though... We ain't lost in white.

Again, you think the players should be allowed to chose the colour of our strips? Ludicrous!

But putting that aside, ive already said I dont believe it.

Were unbeaten in the white kit mainly because weve hardly worn it.

The players have done us proud...as i said they can play in the fucking nuddy for all i care,apologies for banging on but i cannot fathom out what the fuss is all about,if you think the modern day player gives a fuck about the tradition of a club well then your sadly mistaken,its sad but a fact and as a rather older member of the TEF i realised this along time ago.........come on you whites.

I am retiring to my bunker to watch the Championship final - and yeah I know they are playing in Orange and Blue.....

They will always be the Red and White army to me.......whatever colour they play in....

It wasn't the Club that thought "Ooo what colour shall we wear?", it was prompted by the Football League needing to know (for whatever reasons) weeks ago.

Football has been going down these new little paths for a considerable time now, & personally I'm acclimatised to it. That's why I've not given it much thought beyond "That's a pity, but if the players chose it that'll do for me". We can win or lose in red, we can win or lose in white. It would only become a proper issue with me if the design of the home kit was fucked about with too much - now THAT would be messing with tradition.

(BTW I want to see us return to red shirts/white shorts/red socks. Only because that's what we wore when I started watching Town in 77.)   

I would guess that is not too far away from what happened. I don't suppose a delegation of players went knocking on Nick Watkins' door demanding to play in white and I guess we will never know the real reason for it.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if it was white with RED trim.

Oh FFS, I really have got to let this go. Football's starting soon, time for beer 8)

Watch us lose now we're playing in white  :soapy tit wank:

I'm struggling to understand that as well. How can it be decided weeks in advance who wears what? Millwall could have decided they would play in all white as well (that's more traditional for them than us, as that was their regular home kit for a few years in the 70's) Then what would they have done?..it's all bollocks.

Right, that's it..beer...football...chill out 8)

Thatchers and Katy for me......jeez this cider is so easy to drink on a hot day.

Agreed (hence my 'for whatever reason'). Although that's maybe 1 of the reasons why they needed so much notice, so they could sort out any disputes. It's things like Sky doing their pre-match bits & pieces. But mainly, I suspect, some over-paid corporate kiss-arse needing to be seen to be buzzing around trying to justify his/her salary.

We can't play in the blue kit on saturday anyway?

Blackpool have done the same as us it seems. Weird.

if we play in red socks and shorts, like blackpool have in orange,then i think that is a nearly reasonable compromise.

Or if they do a Terry Butcher and spill red for the cause.

The Blackpool fans arent happy about it either. They are staging an orange protest in the stands! ;D

I'd agree with that.

Blackpool's away kit has Tangerine shorts and socks normally though, no?

It would still be a good compromise for us to wear red shorts and socks.

Isn't it because Blackpool's home kit has white shorts, and so would clash with Cardiff's white shorts?

as the white kit is lined with blue(which makes the decision to play in it against millwall even more baffling)
it would look pretty stupid with red socks and shorts.
scrub that idea

Yeah, red shorts and socks with the white shirt wouldn't go.

Have Arriba and Rich Pullen's accountf have been hijacked by JFW?

OMG!

i'm off to perm my eyelashes

You could have done that if the white kit had red trim instead of blue....GOD, I'VE GOT TO STOP OBSESSING ABOUT THIS WHITE KIT THING...BUT I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF!!! :crash: :crash: :crash: :crash:

Theres a footy kit annonomous you can go to....my name is Shaun and i have a compulsive footy kit disorder.

I really do Leefer, it fucking winds me up when it's other teams doing it..let alone when it's STFC..let alone when it's our biggest fucking game in 17 years...look what you've done..you've started me off again :crash: :crash: :crash:

Have to admit Ive been unable to stop thinking about it as well.

We do have a poor away record in red against teams in blue this season. Gills, Rovers, Southend, Colchester, Millwall. But recently we did get a good win against Hartlepool, and we got some luck there. I do know for a fact that there was NO Swindon players meeting to discuss this.

I do wonder if it was Danny Wilson. Because when he was City manager they lost in the play offs to Cardiff (blue) and then Brighton (white and blue). But he's never struck me as the superstitious type? Not like Andy King who was always banging on about luck. It would also show a massive mental weakness to the players, because we should be thinking we are good enough to beat Millwall anyway.

Wilson would also have had to have decided on white before the play offs, which again, I think is unlikely because I dont think he would have given it a second thought. Surely hes intelligent enough to know we play in red and you cant afford to have hang ups about the colour of our shirts?

Which still leaves me to think it was a corporate board decision based around EA Sports.

Basically the board should either come out and tell us the truth (because I dont think the fans will forget about it) or they should plead with the FL to allow us to play in red. Fast.

You're thinking about it too much.

Blackpool just wore their white away shirt and beat Cardiff in their blue home shirt.

Nuff said.

the colour of the shirt will have zero bearing on how the team play.the kits aint gained or lost us any points
it's just a shame we are not going to be in our traditional colours

1990 Swindon (red) 1-0 Sunderland (blue)
1993 Swindon (red) 4-3 Leicester (blue)
2010 Swindon (??)  v Millwall (blue)

Let's just fuck with the karma....

...it's ok, I'll probably be over it by about Thursday ::)

As a matter of curiosity...why the need to file our Wembley colours with the FL 'weeks ago' when the finalists were not known ? Had our opponents been Leeds (who probably also filed an all-white strip) then what would have been the outcome ?

Also on that note, weeks ago, potentially there could have been 8 or 9 teams that could have ended up in the play-offs.  So they all had to file their colours did they - what crap?

Good, they've been looking a little flat lately. Grooming is important arriba

Ha, ha, I'm going to keep bumping this thread just to keep setting OST off again

It makes it look like the board have been telling a few porkies, Something i wouldn't have ever expected them to do.

i don't think you could say that, they probably asked Wilson and got the reply. I'd be surprised if we didn't have to register at least two kit colours "weeks ago" mind.

No, I don't think so. I'm inclined to take the official explanation at face value (pretty much).

Looking on the white side, at least we have a ready made scapegoat if we don't go up. Can a colour be a scapegoat?

For some, yes!

:)

What Arriba said.

And What ooh Shaun said.   All sane people who want us to wear red (me) should stay off this thread.  All sane people who aren't bothered should stay off this thread.   But we can't help ourselves, can we. Cos we care.

I never thought I would see 27 pages discussing a kit.

Didn't we manage more pages discussing if you could buy an adver outside the ground?

Yeah it was known as 'Toni Gate'.

I never got to go on a date with her thanks to you bullying cunts.

I don't know why it's so hard to believe the players wanted to play in white. I also don't know why this has now snowballed into being the board lying to us. Why can't people just take it as truth and move on?

Yes red is better, yes it's disappointing, but it's not going to cause us to lose, if anything it'll probably help, what with the heat and all.

Meant to rain next saturday, we should wear water proofs.

What colour?

Green

Ask the players.

Shame we are not in red but so be it - as long as we win they can play with no shirts for all I care

Has anybody else noticed that on the official site, it says the decision was reached earlier this week, but then directly below that Nick Watkins is quoted as saying "We had to inform the Football League of our kit choice a few weeks ago".

I do think that we are not getting the full story, which is now more of a concern to me than the fact we will be playing in white.

Anyway, we wont change it, Watkins has already said that, so lets just enjoy our day at Wembley, get behind the boys and hopefully we will all love that stupid white kit come 5pm next Saturday!

Yes, Exactly what i was thinking, That's why i said earlier that the board have been telling porkies and are not being totally straight with us.

Agree there. I think we should just all let it settle now. FFS we're playing a play-off final at Wembley next week and we've got some people on here moaning about a fucking kit. Yes it is dissapointing but oh well. On to Wembley way.

I'm going to buy the white kit on Monday morning and then kill myself in it.

"Good" I hear you all shout in chorus.

Pfft... Don't think we'd discuss your suicide TT ;)

No - probably not.

The world would be a much more comfortable place.

 :crucified:

pics or stfu

Im going to let it settle for a week, and then start moaning about it again!

Because they said before the Fulham game that if we progressed we would use the blue strip for all FA Cup games that season, home and away. Which wasnt right either.

Fingers crossed that next season they can come up with just 1 away kit that will do all our kit changes. When they had to make that third kit for Wrexham it just seemed to put all these unstoppable wheels in motion at great expense to the club.

The Football League/FA need to take a lead on this as well. They should have said, you will use your club colours at Wembley and thats it.

That's very wrong, This kind of stuff needs to stop after Saturday.

Also we will be having 3 kits again next season.

Oh yeah, the refs kit. Fucking great.

Having 3 kits brings in more cash for the club. People have the choice if they buy one or not.

How anyone can moan about us having 3 kits, each with different top brand sponsor is beyond me.

Its not like our fanbase is bringing the required revenue that a club needs to try and establish CCC football is it! The board are working wonders with sponsorship for the club.

I agree. There's nothing wrong with having three kits. The problem lies in pointlessly changing the strip, and to do it for a game at the County Ground would be absolutely, totally wrong.

Because once youve made it, produced it, then your under pressure to use it. Especially if its got different sponsors on it. And that will be at the expense of our club colours.

Im not going to make an excuse for being passionate about something other than money.

Can we protest again yet?

Well it's obvious that the decision will not be changed so I'm going to forget about it.

If and when it happens it will be the same people making the same excuses.

Like I said, if we had beaten Fulham then it would have happened this year. Also happened when we let McDons play in Red at the CG on the anniversary of the League Cup final, so that we could play in one of the worst Swindon kits I have ever seen. We werent so bothered about playing in white that day either?

We wanted to play in white that day.

FL told us we couldn't as Franchise play in white. Hence the black kit.

Then MK turned up in red!!

We could always play in the new Samsung black jobby. Looks rather smart

One day a clubs colours will be dictated by sponsorship deals and clubs sense of identities will go out of the window......it's only a matter of time and will be a sad day when it happens.

Let's hope not, tradition is everything. Glad the club decided to go back to the more traditional train crest rather than that silly triangular thing, long may it stay that way

latest news " Due to increased fan pressure Nick Watkins (Swindon Town CEO) has been quoted as saying the team will be playing in skins!"

Bit of a sweeping statement. It's not happened during almost 2 decades of money orientated Premier League football.

I believe they will play out of their skins.

And the County Ground redevelopment is being relocated to Slough.

Correct.

We don't need to conspire or run a fine tooth combe through this decision. I believe we should wear our home colours whenever appropriate (I also recall a thread bemoaning Norwich's decision to wear White at the CG) but we've got far more exciting/interesting things to discuss.

Whenever appropriate..like at Wembley you mean Rich?

You probably won't be that surprised to know that it was me who started the Norwich thread. I think it's some kind of OCD related type condition I have. Seriously.

Wow! Only just seen this, 27 pages, good work.

Stupid decision, all though i wont care one bit if we win.

Thats the absolute bottom line who cares what colour kit we wear if we win ........COME ON !  :nod:

Winning or losing doesn't come into it ::)

Absolutely.

Completely WRONG. MKD playing at the CG in RED?????

I almost bought the red kit on Monday morning to kill myself in it.

That's about as fucked up as it gets. The AWAY team at the CG wearing red :no:

You sure? Lotto take months and months to make a kit.

I thought that was just something Town fans made up to hide the sickening embaressment?

It already is. A lot of teams in Leagues One and Two will always play in their away kit from home due to sponsorship deals.

Nope, true story.

Any other team and we would have had worn a white kit.

That's because they are shite.

A 30 page thread of the colour of our top? This is why other fans call us tinpot.

come on you re...whites...

It's only because we've ran out of things to moan about.

Come on your whites ?

Stains bad that.

Actually giving a shit makes us tin pot? Think not.

What if Celtic announced a couple of weeks before a Cup Final that they were not going to play in green and white hoops? I think they would have forum threads going way, way beyond 30 pages. Don't try and say they they are tin pot.

Quite the opposite.

I think its tinpot that fans have so little pride in the identity of the club.

 :nod:

there was a bloke in the club shop today who was looking at the white shirt, on the phone to someone asking if he should buy it
Then I pointed out that it had 'McNamee' on the back.  :D

Why? I normally wear the white one, or the blue away one from last year, personally i'm not over keen on the red ones. In fact the last 5 i have bought have been away shirts.

Are you on a wind up ere matey, how can you not like the red kit like, we are fucking red ffs.
Its like you saying i dont like football but have a bloody season ticket for the football and loving every minute of it, i just dont get it.

are you a millwall fan trolling?

Could be....newbie Fjortoft is causing me to snigger abit also.

My last comment on this:

I'm surprised the club haven't done a U turn on turn on the kit selection yet. I honestly thought they would.

The 'Ive had loads of emails and messages from fans about it, but I'm not changing my fucking mind' quote from Watkins in the Adver over the weekend was plain fucking ignorant.

As others have said, I cant understand the logic of asking DW and the players which kit they wanted to play in. Why the fuck would that question even enter their heads unless commercial reasons prevailed? Does Watkins think we're just ignorant cunts who can be bullshitted to on a whim?

I'm not going to let this shit spoil what has been a great season for us, nor am I going to let it taint the ace progress we've made off the field since Fitton and the board took us over.

Things like this have a habit of opening up divisions where none existed before, though. Watkins' bollocks have been exposed to a mild kicking over this and he's been found wanting with what I consider to be his shallow, bollocks excuse for putting a team out at Wembley in the wrong colour kit.

The kit colour wont make a fuck of difference to the result on Saturday, but it leaves an aftertaste and contention amonst fans in the run up to what should be our finest hour in nearly 20 years. None of us needed or expected that.

I hope the bloke learns from this event.

 :fishing:

hehe, loads of bites there. Cheers men. :D

Why don't they merge the red and white kits together and have red shorts?

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but maybe the players want to wear white because if its a hot day then they will be less affected by the heat.

Millwall in blue vs us in white = Millwall become too hot too quickly and run out of steam early on = we get a last minute goal to win, for a change.

It's gonna rain and be cloudy.

       
 Best tell Fabio then that the official England home all-white strip should be worn in South Africa. How dare they wear red shirts...ya know...the one that most England fans have bought !

OK, you got me.




Bastard 8)

ERRR Yeah cause that would go???

It would look stupid but we would be in red. And white. Everyone's happy.  :)

Don't think it's been mentioned yet but blackpool's reasoning for wearing their white kit was that they were designated as the 'away' team following a coin toss, even though there would be no clash with either leicester or cardiff. Is it possible that this is something that the football league wanted?

http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10432~2050539,00.html
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sports-news/Pool-Wembley-ticket-latest.6290384.jp

Pity we still dont have the white away kit from a couple of years back, one red sock in the middle of a bunch of shirts, instant mix.

Fuck that. USA and Slovenia play in white anyway...ya know... two of the three teams we play in the group stage.

I have no reliable source whatsoever, but someone I just got told by someone "in the know" that he has heard the club has done a u-turn and we'll be wearing Red!
When I asked him to elaborate, he wouldn't say much and just mumbled he had heard it from his boss who is friends with the staff or something.

95% chance its complete bollocks.  But 5% hope!

Can't see that being true, The kit choice was filed to the football league and can't see it being changed especially this close to the game.

i beg to differ, i remember numerous games with last minute kit changes because the refs not happy. crystal palace a few years ago we wore a white kit that was a couple of seasons old!

I think we are wearing white to confuse the wall  :hmmm:

Does it matter what colour our players wear? They still respond to the

COYR war cry, so for a few seconds the millwall players may be confused and we gain an advantage?

Anyhow I will wear the white (slightly orange = curry spillage  :puke:) shirt.

Fucking Home shirt had a tumble dryer miss hap  :doh:

Just read my first post what a crap one!

welcome aboard. you cunt :D

If they ask the ref before hand and he OK's it then Im sure its fine.

Ive seen plenty of football league teams turn up and have to play in Swindon socks and what have you. All this weeks in advance kit thing is a load of bollocks.

Im sure the club couldnt afford the £50 fine from the Football League for changing strip.

Watkins also said it wouldn't be changed so that rumour is probably bollocks.

I think (I may be wrong about this!) it was Barnsley we played one year and they had brought their home kit only, they played in our yellow away kit.

I believe we had to play in a White Palace kit for a play-off second leg once due to a kit cock up. Seem to recall them getting a penalty and Calderwood pointing out to the ref the great big muddy ball print nowhere near his arm!

Just saw this comment on thisis:-

"It's just got worse, skysports have just made us the laughing stock of the football fraternity now everyone knows we have some fans who do not back the manager and his team over a simple decision like which kit to wear. Danny and BP were embarressed to have to explain their decision on National TV for god sake. We've just scored an own goal 1-0 to Millwall, the adver and you so called REDS who have whinged for 3 days moaning about the colour of a shirt make me want to vomit, pass the sick bag, you can wash that along with the rest of the dirty washing you choose to do in public! Now as others have kindly asked shut the f**k up and put this to bed, we play in white END OF!!!!!!!!!!!".

Hahaha... Melodrama about melodrama.

Wasn't that the league game there. With a few minutes to go you just knew the ref was going to give them something. As you say, the ball print was on his chest.

It would be a terrible shame if the kit man inadvertently packed the red kit and accidentally left the white kit behind ...

it was barnsley, about '90. I thought it was the white gwr/spall kit, not the yellow 3rd kit.

Plus you can change your strip at half time if you want, or at least I'm assuming you can after Man Utd did it a few years back.

I agree.

I'm bored of this now

If it was simply a bit of online whinging, the press wouldn't have taken the story to the point of the nationals. Alas it went to the next level due to the amount of fans who e-mailed the Chief Executive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/8705832.stm

i'm fed up with the kit colour being mentioned and all the squabbling about it too.
but the fact remains that if the club didn't decide to change our kit for no good reason,the debate would never have occurred.

Spot on arriba, on both counts.

Are we playing in White then?
















;)

eurgh

After watching that, thats enough for me now. Let them wear what they want, as long as we win the game!

OK...time to dig this old chestnut up again...

Now before I say anything else I would not suggest in a million years that wearing white had anything to do with losing. We were shit, end of. We could have been wearing red, white, blue or sky blue pink. A piss poor performance is a piss poor performance whatever kit you're wearing.

HOWEVER..having moaned like fuck when the decison was made to wear white, I stand by every word of what I said. That looked shit today. It just did not look right. It was really disappointing seeing the boys come out on to the pitch today in white rather than red, even though I was expecting it.

A lot of people have said, "Ooooh, I couldn't care less if we wear white or pink or green and yellow squares...etc...etc" but I tell you now, I don't understand you. That just looked crap today. History, tradition, chucked out the window.

And if we had won, I would have still thought exactly the same thing.

Yes I know, I'm like a fucking stuck record...tough.

totally agree OSt, Didn't make a jot of difference to winning or losing, just as red wouldn't. So why change it.

But Id like to think the lesson has be learnt, and should we be fortunate enough to be in the same position again we will be wearing red.

I also agree with OST and Batch, when we get there again i want to see us in red.

I think next time round (which will happen unless we get auto), we as fans should have the nous to be pre-emptive and MAKE SURE that the decision is red way before we get that close again.

Let's wear the new black kit and burn the white kit.  I hate it!

Well at least IF we do get to Wembley again, they can't wheel out the old 'Ooooh, well it was good enough for the boys of '69' cos we can Top Trump that with '2010 - totally gash'

Next time, if there is one, I think we would wear red (colour clashes notwithstanding)

I would like to think that Nick Watkins thought today, "Mmmmm, that does actually look a bit crap..I made a mistake there"

Cos it really, really did not look right. I can't believe anyone really thought it did ::)

You REDS!

i wasn't that bothered prior to the game but it looked so fucking wrong when the teams came out.

It's done. We move on.

You can fucking move on girl friend, I'm going nowhere :smugfu:

Interesting..and that's what I'd like to know...all the "Ooooh, I couldn't care less" brigade....how did they actually feel when the teams came out on to the pitch? :hmmm:

it didn't look like swindon town out there.

edit: and not just because we played like a team of people who had never met before, couldn't communicate with each other and had never kicked a footy-ball in their lives

We play in RED end of !  ???

Let it go OST... You could compose a full dossier on this little matter!

CORRECT-A-MUNDO!!! YOU ARE ONE SMART MOTHER FUCKER!!

It just made the day feel even more so like an away game than a game at a neutral venue.

Two points:

1) I am not going to let it go.

2) It is not a 'little' matter.

Anyway, hadn't you better get back to work? There's probably some one wanting to buy the Limited Edition Boxed Set of "Beverley Hills Chiuaua"  8)

From the very first page I've agreed with you but it really is done now.

If the players think they had a better chance in white than red, I'd hate to think what the first half would have been like in red!

Stupid decision. Let's not let it happen again. Roll on 2010/11.

I wasn't one of couldn't care less brigade, I was bothered and e-mailed Nick Watkins to register my distress.  However, I pushed it to the back of mind over the last few days, but as soon as they came on to the pitch - IT WAS SO WRONG!  Would also like to point out to those of you that don't know, the team didn't travel on the normal Four Four Two sponsored coach.  You know, the one they've used all season?!  Oh no, it was a bloody Barnes coach with a board in saying Swindon Town Team Coach.  Obviously again to do with the EA being sponsors today.  Absolute joke!

No, because now I am commenting post game and I am interested to see if any one who was not bothered before hand (i.e Sonic), thought differently when the teams came out on to the pitch.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

I was exactly the same!

Yes I do but you know that 90% of us preferred to see us in red, regardless of their 'give a damn' pre-match stance.

The other 10% were those who went and were not aware that we played in red!

Did you get to see the game today Rich?

I was a bit pissed off when I found out, but at the end of the day didn't feel it was something worth going mental about.

When the players came out in white, it reinforced that feeling and felt a bit wrong, but again, it was a fairly minor point in the day.

Not something worth writing a manifesto over.

And whilst I'm upset about today, the whole white kit fiasco would be misdirected anger right now.

n'ah, couldn't afford the travel costs. To busy re-pricing the collectors edition of Beverly Hills Chihuahua.

I watched it alone in a pub. Wallowing in self pity.

There's a collectors edition!  No one told me!

You don't give a shit, I give a big massive shit..that's what makes the world go round.

It's not misdirected anger though as I've already said in other threads that it was a rank piss poor performance and it's that, that I'm really pissed off about.

Fair enough, I was really just answering your question.

I watched it with 31,999 others wallowing in self pity....you did the right thing 8)

Yet it was the 442 coach they got off of on the Sky... Strange cos on the way home my brother was sure it passed us on the otherside of the M4

my heart sank a bit when the team came out in the away kit.

And they didn't. So no more of this pissing about with shirt colours please. We play in red unless a change is forced on us by clashing with the opposition's colours. I know the shirt colour made absolutely no difference to the abject performance yesterday, but that was supposed to be the point, wasn't it? That whether due to superstition/some bollocks about the heat the players wanted to play in white because it would help them. Well it clearly didn't, as they totally failed to turn up. After that, I don't ever again want to hear that the players have some right of veto over our identity.

I can almost feel the heat of your anger Paul! Try hitting the keyboard harder. Agree entirely. Many of these players will be history within weeks and we'll still be here. Well, some of us. 

OK, before I go any further, we lost because we were not good enough...but...

The pitch was a joke, cost Austin a goal and us a way back into the game.
The ticketing for the semi finals was not good, but the board have learned the lessons of previous errors (like Malpas) and I fully expect them to learn from this one too.
The decision to play in white was a joke.  If the players prefer to play in white, let them join Milton Keynes.  The decision created unnecessary problems that could easily have been avoided, by wearing red, of course.  The team looked wrong all game in the white kit.  I hope the board learn from this mistake also.

I need to finish this post by saying the board are generally superb, what they have achieved so far, are currently achieving and will achieve in future makes me proud to be a Town fan.  The management and players also, and I thank them for all their efforts over the season and am looking forward to next year with renewed confidence.  Thank you one and all (except Hutchinson).

Just play in red next time, OK.

Ditto. Great post donkey

everything in this post i agree with 100%

That is brilliant. I just fucking love the way you put things Mr D  :clap:

I love this also. Exactly right.

Bloody kit lost us that game. What a joke!

No-one's said that. Don't be silly.

I should add, for balance, that the players would be just as entitled to point the finger at us and in private probably are. Because they're entitled to expect support from the supporters to lift them when they need it. They got it at Charlton, they didn't get it yesterday. Difference is we can rant about it on forums etc whereas if the players or Danny Wilson come out and say "The fans let us down", they'll get slated. There are reasons for it which have been discussed elsewhere so no point going over it all again here but when push comes to shove, we let them down too.

I had assumed that was a  :fishing: from IOB Paul. I may be wrong of course.

tbh I did too, but thought I'd best shoot him down just in case :)

I really came back on to post the bit about the players, and now I'm taking the kids out to the pub for lunch and watch them play in the play area-y bit and hopefully forget about bloody football

Have to say the fans were very poor yesterday. But most of our chants involve 'Reds' and the kit decision robbed us of our battle cry - the Come on you reds' we could have evened it up a bit more with that chant.

Dont get me wrong, Millwall were better than us and deserved to win. They dominated us, on and off the pitch. But why did we have to go into it looking like the away team? That was the mindset they wanted us to have.

Anyway, Im still pissed off about it. I still think its an issue because I dont quite know how they players could feel they could be so disrespectful as to bin our club colours for this game (you know that colour we sing about, the shirt were passionate about).

Exactly Spencer, and that's the point most people seem to have missed.