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We shall reign supreme. 3-1 Town

1-1
the usual take the lead then late conceed

I think this will be a draw.

Win. 3-2. JS will obviously score

I've got a bad feeling about today. Not helped by the wrong person starting this thread!

1-2.

4-1 win. Easy

2-1 win for town!

I off to Tampa so will not be able to listen, but will check this thread later to catch up!

Enjoy people!  See you in a couple!

I'll have you know i started the last two, and we won them both if i recall

Swindon 1-2 Millwall Revell scoring and a 7,934 crowd including me for my first home game of the season thanks to Berni.

I think the last time I gave a score prediction was on the first game of the season.  I'm sure you'll all understand if I give it a miss again today.

And grateful for it. 2-1 Town.

we've got norwich at home    in the JPT!

2-0 to Town. Two Jack Smith OGs.

We will draw 1-1 JS to get a late equaliser for them

We drew in the JPT against Exeter   :nerner:

2-0 Win, Revell and JPM to score.

3-0 Town....Greer to open the scoring.

3-1 Swindon Revell continuing where he left off last week with another goal, Mcgovern getting one and a late one from Paynter after he comes on as a sub.

This will be eeeaaassyy 3-0 to the mighty reds.

Revell, Amankwaah and Stone cold to score

1-1.

Jack Smith with a penalty.

1-0 timlin to score

0-0 Revell with a goal disallowed for offside

4-1 town. We're gonna absolutely batter them with 4-1 flattering Millwall.

Feeling confident about this one. Think the game is there for the taking if we play well but only if. Come on Town!

2-0 loss, they are better than us.

3-1 Town early goal for them with us fighting back this time.

2-1 to the wall.

1-1 Douglas for us, Henry for them.

We're either going to properly rape them, just win it, draw, lose by a small amount, or get a right bumming from them. One of them.

2-1 Town. We'll go 2 up and concede late again and hang on. We don't seem to able to kiil games off. I'm hopeful for a good game of football as games against Millwall normally are. No doubt they'll bring a few, get behind their team, behave themsemves and get treated like shit by the Old Bill. 

I think we will race into a 3-0 lead in the first 25 minutes (Revell, Hutchinson, McGovern) Millwall will pull one back on the stroke of half time and will score again in the first minute of the second half. We will then spend the rest of the half hanging on like grim fuck.

Final Score: 3-2

No Austin or Henshall on bench:

Lucas
Amankwaah Greer Cuthbert Kennedy
JPM Douglas Ferry McNamee
Revell Hutchinson

I thought they said Timlin was playing?

I'm fucking losing it ???

Subs Are:
P.Smith, Easton, Paynter, Morrison, Timlin, Peacock and Lecsinel

Somebody tell world to flick the on switch please.

BBC Radio London are commentating online for anyone intersted

Good man Langers  :)

Langers you are a star! Am sat in a hotel in Canada waiting for the weather to clear, so you've made my morning!

Anyone got a link please. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_london/

Jack Smith nearly Scored !!

GET IN!!! CUTHBERT!

CUTHBERT  SCORES GET IN!!!!!

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Thankyou i timed that right didnt i get in scottyyyyyyyyyyyy

Whos the town fan with sweaty pits ha ha.

hahaha a sweaty swindon fan gets abused by he radio commentator for having armpits like a resovior

Get in, woo a win today would really give me a lob on...

is it me or are those commentators on BBC Radio London right cocks

Why would mention that fan in the commentary?

Sounds like a great game at the Lawn. FGR 2-2 Wombles

They seem to be getting quite excited by it!

I thought it was quite funny to be honest.

They are far more interesting to listen to than our boring radio team

great to listen to a match, this is only the third commentary I have had the chance to listen to in three years!

Douglas Off! FFS

Bloody hell!

Oh dear  >:(

Wow, they even have a reporter at the county ground on ssn!

And theres been another goal at the Lawn! What a game! 3-2 AFCW

Shit, I can see us losing this, any subs made since douglas has gone off?  Maybe stick Hutchinson into midfield?

McNamee booked...  these commentators are cunts.  Of course Swindon fans are going to be angry!

Hutchinson off - Timlin On


I agree complete wankers

Anyone know what Douglas did? I didn't see anything bad, didn't even look a foul. Their player acted like he'd been shot and the rest of their players went ape shit. Timlin on for Hutchinson.

He stood on a player's ankle apparently...  sounds like it's a fair sending off, but the commentators are criticising the Swindon fan's reaction.  What did they expect, everyone to sit back and applaud a fine decision by Mr Wright?

The guys on BBC London were certain it was a red card

Franchise 1-0 up and Norwich beating Carlisle 1-0

I'm gunna go and cockslap the commentators in a moment...  just compared to Amankwaah to Drogba for rolling round on the ground after a foul.  I really really hope we do em.

Right. Time to be a tourist. Hold on Town!

I think its funny as fuck to listen to the 1 sided-ness of theMillwall commentary. Especially as we are winning.

He can't have stood on it very hard as their player got up pretty quickly and there was no sign of a limp.

I suspect our commentators sound equally biased.

Its hillarious - they are a joke, critisising every town do and even Condeming the fans for supporting the team!

Elswhere scores aren't going our way, Franchise and Huddersfield Winning

Nope, they recon it was a straight red.

I dont think they do, These Millwall guys are special.

In other news, did you see Billy Bodin played for Wales U21 today, good to see him getting some experience

I saw him today on soccer am he was in the wales u21 skill school team.

McNamee off and Lescinel on, Kenedy to Left Midfiled

So far our passes have been described as smeared, spooned and spinned.

This is brilliant

The 'Wall commentators were slating him earlier, a good move if they're to be believed...  Commentary off, Russia vs. Germany on!

And Amankwaah is now callled amwankerah

Only just got in & not read through thread, so apologies if someone has already mentioned...but match commentary on BBC Radio London (94.9) for anyone in London or the south east.

Their commentators seem a bit confused about the sending off, describing it as 'showing studs' one minute and then saying Douglas was hard done by the next.  Also think Millwall lacking penetration up front, even after the substitution.  Fingers crossed.  One up with one man down is the kind of situation I hate.

Lucky let off there, Millwall fire a shot over the bar from 6 yards

OK.  Read thread now.  Think we're all listening to the same thing.

Colchester 1-0 up

Ditto....  Especially as this is a critical part of our seasion!

Millwall down to 10!!

Milwall have a man sent off for what sounds like a drop kick on McGovern?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Im finding it funny cos of listening to these 2

that sounded a wee dirty. >:(

++ i love how amankwaah is winding everyone up :D

Serves the cheating fuckers right. :D

Amankwaah getting stuck into Harris.

Following their sending off, I hope we're not tempted to think we can just slow the game down now and coast to full time.  Millwall do sound quite weak going forward, but we've had our fingers burned too many times in the closing stages.  A second goal would wrap this up now.  Revell sounding quite lively still, so fingers crossed.

It sounded like he assaulted JPM!

All though according to those two it was all amankwaah's fault

Lordy!

Revell off, Paynter on.

I think we are going to struggle to get another goal but like Ardles says i hope we dont slow the game down. Shit, as im typing this they hit the post!!

Paynter on for Revell.  Is Revell not fully fit?  Sounds like he was playing well.

1-1 again.

FFS !!! Again!!

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1-1 FUCK

Bollocks >:(

I know we're unbeaten for 2+ months, but conceding late goals is becoming a nasty habit.  Maybe our defence is not quite as good as we thought it was.

It seems to be a psychological thing...  a win today and we could have been making a real statement about our playoff intentions.

We're still not very good at this clean sheet lark, are we Ardiles?

Jake Hyde scored for Barnet.

Cmon Town, let us be the the ones that sore in the last minute for once

Sadly not, Nick.

Thats great, the arseholes from radio london calling our fans idiots.  Unlike those saintly millwall fans.

This a game we could have won even with 10 men, yet as soon as we are back to even numbers then we concede the late goal.... again

Mr. Ignorant and Mr. Arogant.

Hate football.

Oh god, we are in trouble here

No, just the last 5 minutes involving Swindon

2 points dropped.

Again, Ardiles

Down to 7th

Thank God that's over - it didn't seem like we'd have held on for much longer.

So dissapointing - at least we now we are starting to expect it

And we havn't lost in 11 games which is a positive

Down to ten men for a long time, that's going to be tiring, not surprising.

Douglas out for three games?

Someone with no knowledge of the League Table listening to the afternoon texts would be booking their tickets for League Two away trips at the moment. I know the late goals are frustrating, but we're 7th and if you take it in isolation from the late goals of the last few weeks a 1-1 draw against a good team when down to ten men for so long is not a disastrous result.

Good post, we are a way off the potential of this team, 7th and not playing that well is not something to worry about.

I think the texts would sound very different if we went one down after 15 minutes and then pulled one back just before the end.  Conceding a late equaliser feels like a loss...in fact, it's even more of a kick in the balls than conceding a goal to lose because you drop two points instead of one.  It's only natural.

Very True. It always feels worse when it happens to you and when when it keeps happening to you it gets annoying but we are not losing and we are in 7th place with team that has a lot of improving to do.

why what did our fans do?

Danny:
Worked very hard against 10 men, tiredness at the end.  Disappointed with sending off, should have been a booking from his angle, not two-footed.   Macca and Ben had to be sacrificed.  Revell ran himself to a standstill.  

Ref. had lots of strange decisions, ref had a bad game.

Well worked corner for the goal, excellent football early in the game.  No appeal, Dougie out for three games.

Goal, bad decision, tiredness, disappointing, looking at the game as a whole.  In a decent position, hard to beat, lots of commitment.  Brilliant in terms of commitment, Topi on the way back, will miss Dougie.  JPT great at home, didn't matter who is it.  Dougie will be a big miss, have the players to make up.  

Why is he not appealing against red card if he doesn't think it was  deserved?

Because they never rescind them if there's been contact (which there was, not necessarily malicious but there was contact) and you run the risk of getting any ban increased. Not worth it

We were dead on our feet in the last 20 mins of the game so it's more amazing we didn't lose to be honest.  Annoying, because I thought it had the makings of a very entertaining game, with us creating quite a few chances and Millwall looking dangerous as well.  We seemed to be on the up after the goal.  Didn't look like a red to me and I'm not sure the Millwall one was as bad as it looked, but he was bound to go following our one.  Unfortunately we had run ourselves out of steam so couldn't take advantage of being back to even sides.  Revell played really well today, as did JP.

Spot on. We spent the best part of an hour hanging on 10 against 12, this was a very different matter from previous late equalisers. Played well today with a psycho in the middle.

Oh, and Tony Craig is a whinging mincing cunt. End of

Douglas was one footed but late. Definitely a yellow, definitely not a red.
Their red looked similar to me, but the ref had given ours and so had to give the same.
The ref was shit. Let loads of handbags and crowding of the ref type dissent go, but still managed to give yellows out.

The game I suppose was a fair result, but until the last 15 we looked the better team - though clearly hampered by 10 v 11. We were knackered for the last 10-15, but I still think mentally we tense up and drop too deep.

Douglas sending off was never sending off a mate of my dad who is millwall fan sat with us said it was never a sending off a yellow would be the right call. ref buckled when 4 millwall players run to the ref to get the player sent off. Frampton challenge was reckless on mcgovern knee it was a red. Blatant push on Cuthbert for the goal. Millwall number 16 and 15 are whinging cunts.

Agreed. A lot. I've seen women moan less than him. What a moaning little wanker.

Fuck knows how we came away from that with a point, the lads battled brilliantly though and it was a shame the ref was such a twat.

Millwall will be up there at the end of the season, very decent side.

James Henry looked a good player until he done his hamstring

Agree with the last couple of comments.  I think we looked tired 'cos of being (harshly) a man down for so long.  I don't think Millwall were really threatening us even though they hit the post.
Macca's yellow was right, as was the yellow to the Millwall keeper, but other than that, I think the other cards shown were due to the ref making problems for himself - the guy was getting so many basic things wrong it was almost commical.
Still, when you think about what would of happened last year, i'll take the point.

decent game until douglas's stupid lunge.(ref got it right i think)
we started really well,looked confident and had superb shape to the team.
even against 11 with 10 men we did well.i cannot fault players at all really as the commitment was superb by all of them.

i thought wilson got it wrong big time and his tactics cost us in the end.when their guy got sent off i thought right we'll go after them now but no, we sat back on a 1 nil lead and let them come at us.we had a free kick with the opportunity to score and had 2 men in the box for it!why?
playing the lone man with no support, allowed millwall to play 3 at the back and throw 2 men upfront.i have no idea why wilson let that happen?

revell was mom for me and jpm was a close second.

You should be a L1 ref with eyesight like that. He got the ball, FFS. I'd have argued the toss for a yellow, but would have accepted it. Never a red in a month of Sundays.

oh come on paul he jumped in.you dont have to connect to get sent off either.
it didn't help that it came immediately after ferry jumped in too.

Fully agree with all that, I could hear people criticising our 'lack of fitness' and 'lack of urgency', but when you consider we played most of the game a man down I think it's fair to say the players will tire quicker.

i felt knackered watching

Bollocks, seen much worse than that not even get a free kick, he challenged and won the ball. I wasn't denying he connected with the player, he manifestly did, but he'd won the ball in a fair challenge. The sending off was solely down to the am-dram theatrics from their histrionic players, not what the ref saw (or rather didn't). Whinging, diving, cheating, nasty little bullies

I think he was a trifle late myself and their man was caught, but no worse than a yellow deserved. I agree with Paul in that the Millwall reaction got him sent off,not the challenge. The bloody lino should have had a reasonable view of it.

I know this site is know for its bollocks content but that has to be the most bollocks filled line of all time.

We were better. We should have won.

11 men and we'd have won comfortably.

Yeah, but he wasn't saying boo to a goose all game. Waste of fucking space. Mind, must be difficult to speak up to the ref when it's the first game of football you've ever seen and you've only just turned 12

As I said before I didn't see the Douglas challenge. but it looked like the ref may have been influenced by the Millwall players that surrounded him - it was only after this he went to his pocket and produced the red.

I thought the Millwall one was as blatant a red card as they get, he went in for a 50/50 ball high and hard with his boot and caught JPM at waist height. None of their players complained either which is generally a sign it was deserved.

yes oscar for abdou

The ref was shit...end of, plus his assistants was crap as well.

We started off very well looking the most dangerous side, and it wasn't really a surprise when we scored. The front two were playing well together. Then it turned into the referee's show. Sitting on the opposite side I didn't get a good view but in my mind the Millwall players reaction got Douglas sent off.

Wilson had to sacrifice one of the strikers, bringing on Timlin for Hutchinson (personally I would've gone with Easton). McNamee got booked for a stupid foul just before half time, and due to the fact Henry was causing us problems down that side, McNamee was taken off with Lescinel on with Kennedy moved in left midfield.

Early in the second half, we should've had a penalty when Kennedy and Lecs linked up well and when the cross came in , Craig looked to have hanballed it. The ref then refused to book Martin despite pulling back Amankwaah, but Millwall didn't look like scoring.

Soon afterwards, JPM went through around half way, and got clattered by Frampton. In my opinion, it was just a booking, but the ref decided that it was a red after giving Douglas', and it was 10 a side. Revell, who had run his arse off, was then replaced by Painter.

Soon afterwards a long cross was put into the box, Cuthbert was pushed and Millwall equalised, and then it was trying to hold onto a point.

All in all, the ref ruined a good game, and since we were down to 10 men for an hour I would've quite happily taken a point. A number of people were slagging Wilson off for his subs, but he was left no choice in takeing a striker off and McNamee as he in not known for his defensive abilities, and Revell had run himself into the ground.

How Craig was not at least booked as he should've got booked for dissent after kicking a water bottle on the edge of the pitch when Frampton was sent off, and he showed so much dissent in moaning about everything.

After the first game of the season, if somone said we'd be 7th two months later I would've ripped their arm off. It's a pity now we're going to lose Douglas for three games.

I hope we appeal the Douglas red card.

It was an ok game

Douglas deserved his red card.   His tackle was a yellow but he then tries to slap a Millwall player and had to go.

Overall Millwall were the better side and this would ahve been a game we would have lost 12 months ago.  

Only thing we lacked was pace.  When it was 11 vs 11 we were easily bearting them on the wings and probably would have scored more goals.  Going down to 10 men was tough snf i dont think Revell is good enough to play upfront on his own.

Shame Obadeyi wasnt fit to play as this was his sort of game today.

Ref was shit,  made load of crap decisions for both teams

As Paul said, I don't think we have grounds to appeal. He (IMHO) fouled the man, and we'd therefore be appealing the referees interpretation of the severity of the foul. It wouldn't end well (unless the replay shows he took the ball first)

I think we should appeal on the basis it was a fucking joke of a decision.

Well that was fucking frustrating. Millwall are fucking shite. Truly awful side that created nothing and spent half the match (and I mean 45 mins quite literally) moaning at the ref and mouthing off. fucking dirty cheating cunts. Douglas should never have had a red. Never in a million years was that more than a yellow yet because their cunt of a player decides to roll and pretend the world is about to end it must be a red.

Their player deserved to go. Bad challenege and was needless. On another day it could have been a yellow but given the ref was being a dick and had already sent off JD then he had no choice.

Sadly we were screwed by the cunt in black. Because we had to play 3/4 of the match with 10 men we were truly knackered and despite being the better team for the much of the 90 and holding on like warriors we let in a goal because we were so tired. Fucking shambles. The ref needs a good look at by the football league or FA because he is a joke. Shouldn't be in the job. We should have had a penalty as well and their striker should have been sent off at the end for a blatent kick on Lucas. fucking disgusted and annoyed we didn't win but for once it wasn't the players' faults. They played with their hearts on their sleeves and really gave it a good go. Fair play boys.

At least we didn't lose. That's 11 unbeaten now and in 7th so not the end of the world. Millwall were poor though. After last season I was expecting better from them....

If Millwall are shit then God knows what we are !  We scored with our only good chance.  Morrison should have score twice for them.  Think it was a point gained when taking into consideration all circumstances

Same as. Fucking shocking decision by the ref.

Wrong. With 11 men we would have won 3-0. We were totally dominating until Douglas went off. 

You did notice we were playing a man down for most of the game? And one of our most influential midfielders at that?

Yeh but that didnt happen.  We were down to 10 men and Douglas deserved his red for trying to slap the Millwall player.

If it was 11 vs 11 i agree we probably would have won

There was a bloke in the row behind stating he couldn't believe how shit league one football was and it was 'school boy' and 'sunday league' standard. They were also asking if there was a bar in the town end.

Too used to watching sky sports in the pub I think.

Oh and about the game, thought we did ok all things considered. Annoying about the goal but we were quite clearly knackered near the end and just trying to hang on.

why is it? two footed lunges are straight red cards.
i aint seen it on tv, so if it turns out i saw it worng i'll withdraw the comment and hold my hands up.

the ref levelled it up anyway and we didn't capitalise on it.

Neil Harris didnt get sent off for trying to slap Big Kev though did he?


two footed lunge, my arse...

What game were you watching then? I'd like to see the Douglas challenge again but it did look harsh to me.

Well he should have done.

Overall it was a good performance considering the circumstances.  If it was 11 v 11 we would have porbably won.  The fact that we went down to 10 men so early really mucked our fatigue up at the end.

Still hoping for 3 points on Sat against Hartlepool before a tough run of fixtures start

One without my tinted Swindon glasses on.  Tackle was a yellow at best but Douglas clearly raised his hand and tried to slap a Millwall player.   Was sat right in the middle of the Don Rogers stand and had a clear view of it.

We looked comfortable untill their man got sent off

Am I the only person that thinks using fatigue as an excuse for the way they played towards the end is complete and utter bollocks? I didn't see them running round that much harder, except for Revell who was up front alone. Besides they are supposed to be professional sportsmen and should be fit enough to handle it.

I can't help but wonder if the reason we keep conceding late goals is due to fatigue and that they are simply not fit enough. There must be something causing it and Wilson needs to fix it asap as its beyond a joke now.

I've never seen a player run around and be a pain for defenders so much in a game. Even Cox wouldn't have been able to sustain that level of running for the length of time Revell did.

He can be hit and miss with his touch in front of goal at times but when you're down to 10 men and hoofing the ball over the top you want a player like Revell playing there. He also won a fair bit in the air.

He played well against Colchester, had a very good display at Brentford last week and tried his bollocks off today. I do wonder what the hell he has to do to convince some people. Yes he is hit and miss but he's our best option in a single striker situation. We don't have Cox any more. Get over it.

Yes, yes you are...

But Si, he didn't score so he must be shit.

well what was it then? play on?
 debatable if it's a red but fuck me there are some blinkered opinions on here as usual.
we were as dirty and whiney as they were.amankwaa was as guilty as harris.payner kicked their guy in the upper thigh.jpm made a meal of the foul which got matey sent off.

the most important point which none of you seem to have seen(or at least commented on) was wilsons negative tactics when we were 10vs10
that cost us the win.not the ref

Well fuck me let's just slit our wrists now. Why do you bother going? You just moan all the time...

Apologies if it's been posted already but the last line made me chuckle. They had an extra man for much of the game, fitness shouldn't have been an issue?

it was a late challenge. Nothing more. Free Kick. Booking.

We were as dirty and whiney as they were? when, how many times did we have 5 players around the ref? when did we ever chase him?

When it was 10 vs 10 hadnt we already made our 3 subs. We'd defo made two of them so wasnt really much else he could do?

To be fair i'd agree with Arriba's last sentence.

Sounds like an eventful one. Jonny Douglas' suspension could be costly but this is the chance Craig Easton has been waiting for and I imagine he'll be well up for it.

I completely agree with your post.



You have to be a true fan to be a Swindon fan, we dont alf seem to put up with a lot ... last season I prayed that an opposing keeper would make similar blunders to our two tossers in goal. Now this season the frustration of all those late goals conceeded, when will one go in the other net for a change.
How many points have we thrown away this season by sitting back on one goal leads?

too many, we've won 2 at home. In truth we could have won all of them.

where am i moaning?
you regularly misquote me just because i aint got my blinkers on.so because i didn't see it all our way=moaning eh?
jog on lad!

 One constant in our late concessions, is that this season I believe they've all been scored by substitutes...obviously when a team is behind, they'll try and stick some more attacking options on...which should in theory open up gaps for a counter attack. We don't and haven't for a very long time finished strongly in games at the CG.

Wilson needs to sort out some kind of strategy for dealing with this...because this is our good spell, and we need as many points as poss, as doubtless a shit run is around the corner.

rubbish.we invited them on by sitting back.they had the luxury of being able to play 3 at the back  making a spare man to go upfront.

Thid was all set up for a good game - both teams attacking and going for a win. They were getting a lot of space on the wings and putting in some decent crosses but had no end product. we were looking good and there was some good passing.
Then the ref happens - late challenge from Douglas - it should be a yellow but no cuntchops decides its a red.
After this I don't think it really matters what tactics Wislon or Jackett deployed  or what the players actually did as we'd entered the Twilight Zone and anything could have happenned and did. At this stage they might as well have halted play and tossed a coin.  

i struggle to see how anyone could question wilsons tactics i really do! he made the right sub after the sending off and at half time. then revell was knackered and he had to sub him....his hands were tied after that. i struggle to see what he could have done better, even in hindsight.

formation!
the subs were spot on.10vs10 killed us.
we didn't adapt when their guy got sent off.we stayed the same and they punished us.

Fully agree on that, even tough it would've been nice for the midfielders to support the front man now and again.

I am a surprised as usual by some of the comments on here.  On reflection I believe this was a point gained, we were second best for most of the second half, how many saves did their keeper make?  Yes, there were reasons for that, and yes the referee was a twat.  Sadly I think it was some strange decisions from management that cost us most today.  When we went down to ten the obvious decision to me was to take Macca off, he had already shown in half an hour that this was not to be his day.  Leave Hutchinson and Revell to take the pressure off us by holding the ball up, with Timlin bolstering the midfield.  All in all I was very disappointed, we looked in a different class for the first 30 minutes but sadly lacked a lot of idea after the sending off.  I think the standing ovation for Revell was well deserved, but he is not the answer in front of goal - no cutting edge.

No disrespect arriba, but I don't think it really matters whether our players whinged and moaned as much as theirs did. One of those team's is ours and we should snidely smile, perhaps be amused even, at getting away with stuff. We're allowed to be biased and we should be. We shouldn't sit back and imply the other team is unlucky and talk about the bad things our players did... We should gloat.

If JPM got someone sent off. Fucking good. He plays for my team and i'd want my players kicking chunks out of the other team and diving for penalties left right and centre if it means we win. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the opposition. I don't care whether they like us, hate us, or want to fuck us. I don't care whether it's unsporting or whether it's unsavoury. I'm a supporter not a player, wins please me, not the gentlemanly conduct between the teams. There's only one outcome i care about and they can accomplish that anyway they want. (Within reason of course.)

Yes the result fucked me off. Would i have taken 1-1 after Douglas got sent off? Yes. Am i frustrated with all the draws? Slightly, but we're playing tighter and better than i've seen from us in quite a few seasons and i know what i prefer. :)

I generally agree with this.

Although I did think at the time it might have been an idea top drop Hutchinson back into right wing and move JPM to the middle.

That way, say worst came to worse and Millwall scored 5 minutes after Douglas went off we could have still gone with 2 upfront if we needed to.

of course it doesn't matter and i agree.but that doesn't make the other team out of order when we are doing exactly the same.
thats what i was saying. we did what they did.
trouble is alot dont see what ours do, only the opposition.
i enjoyed today and the lads did well overall.

With a team tired after ten chasing eleven players for so long, tactics were not to lose the game.  I wouldn't want to question Danny's tactics.  The geniuses on the Millwall commentary team remarked how tired the Swindon defence looked.

We were not half as bad as the Millwall players at all.

Tony Craig must have mouthed off to the ref more himself than our entire team did.

Hi peeps...well what can i say..love the Town you all know that but watching them is taking its toll.
Millwall were absolutely awfull.....its getting to the stage when i know when the opposition are going to score.......DW has got to realise that we as fans can Whine when we like...the second half was a complete joke....ime pisssed off...ime guna say no more/.

I have never seen anyone go on and fucking on like that gobshite - his tongue was perpetual motion. Even when the ball was up the other end he was still fucking whinging. Is he a Scouser?

It's a mental thing IMHO. We have conceeded a few at the end of games and it plays on our minds. So we tense up, stop playing, sit deeper, invite pressure.

They'll get over it.

At the end of the RS coverage, it was mentioned that the ref. had apparently said he would relook at Douglas's sending-off, don't know if that is true, but refs. know when they fuck up by the players' reaction.  

Greenwich, London!

the only player who had an excuse for being knackered at the point of their sending off was revell who was on his own upfront.
the others were putting a shift in for sure but not so much more than usual as to have to sit back like we did after.that was the managers tactics.

FFS though arriba, most of us came away from what started out promising to be a good game that was ruined by the ref fuming at the twat who ruined the game. Your first reaction is to blame the manager. Because obviously Wilson conspired to get one of our most influential midfielders sent off. And when you're down to 10 men after 30 minutes with a goal lead, you're always going to try to protect the lead. Show me a team that doesn't. What would you have had him do, go 3 up front?

The loony in the middle wrecked the game today, simple as. And our lads fought hard to hold on against 11 players trying every trick in the book, a deranged ref and supine assistants. That calls for the reaction most of us had - "Stupid bastard ref wrecked the game" not slating the manager for a situation not of his own making

And DV's right - Craig alone did more whinging than our whole team. he probably outwhinged the entire bloody division today, single-handed. You just always seem to look for any negatives you can on our side, even when they're not there. I'd call you an emo, if I was sure what one was :)

Its nothing to do with defence....when we are dicking teams ...lets go forward.

So, now the manager tells them to sit back?

Something to do with Rod Hull?

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That'll be it. arriba, you long-necked feathered git :)

I'd imagine he says the exact opposite. When you are under pressure and don't want to make a mistake it happens anway.

It's been going on for a very long time now and there haven't been any improvements.

Sorry Pauld....the ref wasnt great but DWs tactics are the reason for 1 point....Millwalll were shocking.....so was DWs tactics......ime happpy ware we are in the lge....but it could..and should be so much better

yeah i think wilson got it wrong.but i saluted the lads on the park.what the fuck do you mean by the conspiring bit?fucking lost me.
of copurse you try to hold onto a lead.but when the sides are evenly matched again and you've kept them quite surely you go on and take it back to em?
i wouldn't have gone 3 upfront, but i wouldn't let the opposition team have the luxury of 3 at the back away from home either.

the only negative point i have made was wilsons tactics.nothing more

Agree arriba..his tactics were piss poor.

obviously.
free kick arkells side 10 vs 10.we're 1-0 up and have 2 men in the box for it.
why? that is a goal scoring opportunity and we didn't even bother filling the box.they only left 2 men up at this point too.

Piss poor tactics would surely see us near the bottom of the table?

Frustrating as his work might be at times, Danny Wilson isn't doing anything "piss poor" at Swindon, in my opinion.

It was straightforward enough, I thought. Plain English. <shrugs>
And about our players moaning as much as they did, and about Douglas deserving to get sent off (which I still say is bollocks) and about us sitting back when we were trying to hold on to a lead against 12 men and ... and .....

The point being, that you don't give a balanced view as you claim, you just lay into our side (And no, I don't claim to give a balanced view either, but I lay into the opposition, which on this occasion was the ref). Like Barry says, most of us would expect the default position to be to give our own side the benefit of the doubt. Emu.

Millwall players were a fucking disgrace, bunch of moaning bitches the lot of them. Even Jack Smith got in on the act in the 2nd half.

Ref was absolute dogshite. Not biased, just shockingly inept.

Team performance- Up to the Douglas sending off we look easily the better side and may have gone on to win convincingly. Even after JD went we looked pretty good with the team battling to keep the lead. After the second sending off though it looked like we were still playing against an extra man and the goal was sadly inevitable.

Not got anything to say about DW's tactics, his substitutions were spot on. The problem lay, imo, with the players starting to sit further and further back, pumping long balls up to Revell (Or Paynter) who, even if they won them, had no one to lay it off to. Don't think you can blame Danny's tactics for the players starting to get twitchy.

If we had drawn 11 V 11, it would have been 2 points dropped. As it was, I'll settle for a point.

fuck me are you really that daft or been on the sherbert?
read my first post in this thread.
i aint torn into our players.the complete opposite infact.
have a pop at me by all means but at least argue with what i say, not what you exaggerate me to have said.
11v11 we would have beaten them.ad although i think wilson got it wrong 10v10 the side is clealry more balanced than last year.hes doing a good job and i aint slating the bloke.

Sorry chaps,,,forget the referee..for what it is worth  i think he was ok.....how many shots did we have on goal second half......corrrect fukin none..it was abysmal bordering fukin embarassing....come on chaps lets face facts it was dire....good football at times grant you the defence did welll....when after last week you take the plaudits you got to expect to take shit after that today......well in my opinion it was bollox....totall.

was that one JPM took quickly and Wilson then bollocked him for it?

JPM was my MOM   fair play to him...not my kind of player but he was brilliant today......ime not happy today but was impressesed with him.

dont think so?
didn't see wilson bollock him so unsure.certainly didn't see any urgency to send bodies forward for the one i mentioned

It might be a different free kick.

There was one, JPM took quickly and only Greer had got forward.

Wilson then went mental on the touchline at JPM for being waste full.

Lets maybe see him having ago at the forwards for being wastefull.....fact is we aint got none...Paynter for Revell whats that about?....get a striker on the pitch to match defence and midfield and we may take three points instead of one.

Paynter for Revell was probably due to the fact Revell had run himself into the ground and was clearly knackered for all to see.

Ref played too large a part in this one.

I watched from the Don Rog stand for a change and liked the different angle aspect.

We could and should of been 2 up in the first ten minutes- bad miss by Hutch and Revell needs to let fly earlier, the keeper gifted him a ball and he didnt pull the trigger, same happened in the second half.

From my view i thought the ref was right to show Douglas a red...what a fucking stupid and needless tackle to do a yard from the ref..i must say i didnt clap the twat off....i feared the worst and it was realised. >:(

I did however , enjoy shouting 'get him off' at every foul from then on in.

The ref was a prick for booking Macnamee for the trip because after that it should of been a yellow for every offence after.  How did he not show a yellow for the rugby tackle on Amankwaaaaaaah?
He was a total prick from then on in...got everything wrong for both sides and lost control, saw and waved away a dead cert pen when Lescos cross was stopped with an arm and the Goal kick he gave from the fine Lucas save at the end beggared belief! ???

Revell was my MOM as he ran his bollocks off and was brave, i wish Danny was bit braver with his subs etc...we are NOT good enough to sit and defend but we are good enough when we stretch teams...by sitting back we invited a fight back an thats what happened.

Revell was fucked but he won more than Billy on his entrance, i would of left him on myself..

It always looked like they had an extra man at the end as we defended the Stratton Bank. They hit the post missed two sitters and has us scrambling everywhere..

For that reason i vote for a point gained...

Fave phrase of the day...from then on in....

Roll on next week.

I thankyou!

revell coming off for paynter was always going to happen and was right imo.
the lack of support for revell and then paynter was the problem.
i like revell(first time i've seen him)i think he'll score a fair few goals in a pair upfront.
big ask for him today but his workrate was first rate.
thank fuck for flash.was beginning to think no other bugger saw it how i did.

That would be the second half we played the bulk of with one man down would it? You can say "forget this or that" but it all comes back to that. Both sides were playing attacking football until the sending off, understandably we did less so once we were down to 10 men

Paul....got alot of time for you and your opinions....but for you to say Millwall were playing attacking football is mind bogling....they were pants and didnt have a shot on goal....like Wycombe they were piss poor..................another two points squandered.

Fuck me there are some moaning idiots on here.

We were down to 10 men after 30 mins against a good, physical, strong Millwall side. To come away with a draw is to me, a point gained. Lets not forget, they were a play off finalist last season.

We lost a very influencial midfielder in Douglas but I thought JPM had a good game today and Revell was immense.

Also worth a mention, Callum Kennedy. He looks very dangerous out wide and a real prospect.

I think Wilson did get it a bit wrong and should've changed the formation when Millwall went down to 10. Can't fault him for the subs, but allowing Millwall to play three at the back away from home is just wrong. They knocked it about too comfortably at the back and then knocked it long for Harris and Morrison to chase. When we did manage to get the ball forward it just came straight back.

The Millwall players were the worst bunch of whining little cunts that I've ever seen in football (outside the premier league). Frampton was the sole reason for Douglas getting sent off and I cheered when the horrible cunt got sent off himself.

I'd love to hear his explanation for not giving a yellow card for that. Deliberately taking a player down when he's got past / away from you like that is a yellow card offence, each and every time. Biggest error he made of the day as it was so obvious and clear cut. Though of course no one would gave even mentioned it if it wasn't for the Douglas red, can't help but feel the ref let the game get out of control a bit.

He was getting murdered by their right winger though. Don't get me wrong, I realise he's young and still learning and Macca doesn't offer much help. I guess Wilson saw that and brought LJF on to strengthen the left side

So why take him off then....Millwall were not a good strong physicle side....they were the worse team down here this season......dont get me going Ralphy..no excuses today IMO.

Worse side here?!!!! Rubbish!

Did you go to the Wycombe game?

Revell? He'd gone Leefer, totally blowing out his arse. There was no option. He was already looking at the bench in anticipation of the change and after his last run looked totally dead on his feet when he reached the DR stand. No option IMHO.

Not going to whinge any more....like DW.....and after last year its a 100% mark up....just so,so dissapointed today...cant say ime happy when ime not.

Wycombe were dire...........but not as bad as Millwall.

i thought millwall were a fairly decent side.but we were better and showed them too much respect in the end.before the first sending off although we had thee upper hand, they were playing pretty well too.their wide lad first half was quality.
credit to our lads that we stifled them when we were a man down.
thats why i'm so disapointed we didn't push on when the ref levelled it up.they were there for the taking.

arriba your being kind....cant see as Millwall were a fairly decent side.

telling it how i see it as always leefer.

Must say i thaught JPM was outstanding today...passed well tracked back and got some solid tackles in...long may it continue.

Unfortunately for Craig,I think it will be Timlin who gets the nod

As it seems to be an opinion of one or two, if Douglas was guilty of committing the foul that made us have 10 men then why isn't anyone having a go at him? All I've seen is people blaming Wilson, the ref and the fact Revell can't apparently play the lone striker role.

At least we are only conceding last ditch equalisers,last season it was last minute winners.

if the video evidence shows him to have done a two footed lunge(how it looked to me)
i'd hope he will be fined accordingly.
i didn't clap him off and thought what he did was a stupid act.
heat of the moment though and we all do stuff like it.i did anyway and reglarly got in trouble with referees when i played with fines a regular occarance

so you could say it was his fault we lost?

Millwall werent even close to being the worst team down here this season. Thats still Southampton by a long shot and Wycombe.

Millwall werent great but had decent wingers in Martin, the other guy and Hackett (scummer)

if we had lost it would have been the major factor.it forced wilson into a decision about the formation

Many a team have won whle down to ten.....sorry to say Sie weve drawn matches with eleven players on the pitch....whats the big deal with Douglas being sent off....the game was there for the winning,for me against a pile of shit like Millwall you go for the jugular especially being  a goal in front.....bad decisions by the manager cost us today..not a decision by Douglas to make a bad tackle.

From where I was sat, both reds were justified, but I stand in the Townend so that means very little.

At the end of the day it's frustrating to concede late again but we've drew with a side who were play-off finalists last year and will be top 8 again this year, despite playing without our best midfielder for 70 mins. A win next week and it's four points from 2 home games to go with the four from two away games last week, there really is very little room to grumble considering where we've come from over the last 12 months.

I thought they were crap until the sending off, sadly the change of formation at half time worked in their favour and I still think we did well to get a point.  We just invited them on to us, and they gleefully accepted the invitation.  Lost count of the number of times they got behind our defence, oh to see us do that a bit more often.

See, that's when you KNOW you're wrong :)

Fair play to all - we all see the game differently, but pretty much everyone on here tonight has come on with a strong opinion, backed it up and argued their corner well. And people feel so strongly because it matters to us all. Proper debate with people who know (and care) far more about football than anyone really should and than I would claim to

But FFS people this is the TEF - what's with the impassioned, reasoned on-topic discussion purely about football? More than about time someone took it badly off topic with 80% bollocks.

youve already done that paul.
chortle

Fuck off Emu :)

is an emo a goth? i have heard the term but have no idea what an emo is.

Sorry my post was meant to say drew. I guess I got sucked into too much negativity, I do remember the game, honest!

What's the big deal with Douglas being sent off? Well for one the midfield was overrun and were it not for some battling displays (Amankwaah, Revell and McGovern my top picks) and some terrible misses for Millwall, we would have been trounced. Their manager has said they're happy with a point but it's they who should be disappointed because against 10 men you should always come out on top.

I've said before today's game we have sat too deep and looked nervous late on in matches. It happened again today and we conceded another late goal. Personally I didn't even expect to still be winning so late into the second half which if you reflect on things shows what a battle the team put in.

I'm willing to isolate this game because ordinarily we wouldn't have 10 men for most of a game. It's not a situation Wilson can really do much about.

Look at the Douglas tackle again...it wasnt Red IMO.....we should have hada penalty for a blatant handball.....also a kick in our keepers head whle he was on the ground should have braught a card.
Still think we were very negative today but again didnt get alot of luck with decisions.

Agree,our fans make me laugh a few weeks ago some people were accusing the team of not getting stuck in yet when we do people still moan about lunging etc,I only wished douglas had a put that cheating cunt out the game for good,he played a big part in getting douglas sent off and the next min he was up and running about fine,it was a yellow and nothing more.

I for one are proud of the team today,they stuck to the task well when we could have let their heads drop and let them back in the game sooner,todays late goal was due to fatigue nothing more.

Always seem to be people who think they can do better than DW which asks the question why are you not all football managers.

Loved our commitment today and made me proud to be a town fan.

Ive been a Town fan for years Russ...and very proud....like all walks of life when you get paid very good money you can expect to get shot down on occasions.....today as DW will probably admit to wasnt a great day on his CV.....poor decisions by him cost us....not one shot on goal the second half is testament to this.

one thing is for sure.those lads bust a gut for the shirt now.
that shows wilson must doing something right.
fans will always debate games and tactics.that doesn't mean they think they could do a better job than the manager.

He can only do what he tells his players to do,lets not forget we was chasing them around for at least 35 mins with ten men.I think their is mental problem with our players when it comes to the last stages of the game,Im not sur you can blame danny for that,It could be the players that are sitting back rather than danny telling them to.

I know that's up to danny to sort out but some times you need a bit of luck aswell,when i mean luck i mean a clean sheet,had we got one today you may have seen us approach the game in the later stages different next time.

What else could he have done today tactics wise,I thought he had it spot on when we was down to 10 although i would have prefered easton over timlin,but we dont know what's going on with easton at the moment,maybe he's not showing enough in training.    

Easton was impressive against Wolves, but I expect Timlin will get the nod as he has been regularly coming off the bench.  Apparently on RS the ref. was going take another look at the incident.

17 pages on this and I'm not reading all that, so excuse me if this has already been covered, but I am assuming a few others saw Jack Smith giving it the big one to the entire south stand when Millwall equalised?

And of all the players to get sent off for them I am glad it was Frampton. What acunt.

Also, I am sure now that Cuthbert will play in the top flight one day soon.

See my view...i thought he was a twat!

I'd also say it shouldnt be long before Cuthbert gets an International Call Up.

Didn't see it myself, but my mate next to me did. Up until then, I'd quite respected him. Did nothing wrong when he was here, left because he wasn't offered a contract, no reason to boo him IMO. And indeed quite a few had clapped him when he came out. Now, I just think well fuck you then.

Couldn't give a fuck about Jack Smith but Alexander deserves respect. His reaction when Robinson stuck the first in the last game at the Manor was quality and still remains a favourite of mine. He also played for Orient when they sent the Scum down. Good lad.
I think we just need to put todays game into perspective. I wouldn't envy either manager trying to second guess a complete and utter fucking nutcase. We're 7th, and alhough we concede late goals we're still hard to beat.
The worrying thing for me is who is gonig to replace Douglas because Timlin has been minging so far. Douglas is probably the last person we wanted to see red.

Why was the town end singing im forever blowing bubbles,michael jackson will be turning in his grave.

Seriously what did that really have to do with us tho.

Because of the West Ham/Millwall incident.

It was a new low for the town end though.

Shame on anyone who joined in.

small town in west ham.fight fight.
oh dear.....

On a par with 'Green army' chants at Exeter (Dave will agree).

I cant believe so many joined in.

Dave agrees!

i was wrong about douglas having seen the footage.

Although on a second viewing he did seem to give one of the millwall players a slap. Could he have been sent off for that rather than the tackle. If the ref said he'd look at it again I assume it was for the tackle

Having seen the footage it looks less worse than it did from my view in the town end.

Thats what i said all along .......

I'm not sure if our defence are told to sit back to defend a lead by Wilson, or if they just take it upon themselves to do it or maybe even do it as an unconcious reaction to having already conceeded so many late goals this season.

Given the obvious quality, professionalism and confidence of Greer and Cuthbert, I'm leaning towards it probably being a managerial instruction, though I may be wrong.

Whether I'm right or wrong though, as has been said many times today, if we sit deep with only a one goal cusion, we are inviting teams to have a pop at us.

Putting aside the 10-man issue today, If we had productive and dangerous front men to give the opposition defenders something to worry about throughout the entire match it probably wouldn't be quite so easy for them to put us under pressure at will. Good as Greer and Cuthbert are, they aint fucking super-humans and will get knackered and make mistakes from time to time.

Revell and Paynter are OK players on their day but neither of them will ever play the leading role in a decent or successful strike partnership at this level.

What I'm trying to say is that we need a decent fucking striker. Sort that out and this season is game on for some fucking excitement in May 2010.

Sticking with the setup as it is at the moment though - whilst we'll all be relatively happy as we've come a fucking long way since the dark days of Wills and Diamandis (and I don't want to come over as an ungrateful, whinging fucking cunt) - it will be dissapointing if we dont do well this season as we have so much fucking potential.

I looked for the Douglas 'slap', but couldn't see anything? Will have another look when individual highlights go online.

Just watched the league show and it was shite as usual.

Only divvys 1 and 2 and they fucked it up.

Our highlights were shit...

NO pen shout.

No Millwall hitting the post.

No Milwall bullet header over.

Shite...

Bollocks. Just watched it three times and the Millwall player runs up to him in his face and he pushes him away, no more. Nowhere near giving him a slap, push to the chest, pushing away an agressor

Absolutely, but at least they had the lass reading out the texts from people who couldn't even get on 606 to give us a really insightful view of the day's proceedings

Just watched the highlights and the Douglas tackle was nowhere near a red card, a yellow maybe but even that would have been harsh. He might have gone in with two feet, but he went well under the Millwall player and there was no suggestion of any intent. I couldn't see any sign of a slap either.

The Millwall player was a blatant red, it looked even worse than I saw with his foot being at chest height when he made content with JPM.

I'd say its worth challenging the Douglas decision, there is no way the ref would give a red seeing it in detail.

The Douglas challenge was quite close to where I sit in the DRS. Hardly anyone around me thought it was worth a red and it looks even less like a sending off on the highlights.

We really have to appeal it, I don't  fancy playing Norwich without Douglas. It was quite noticeable yesterday that our midfield struggled badly after we lost him, he brings the best out of Ferry and JP.

I used to quite like Jack Smith and felt we should have kept him as a squad player. After his reaction to their equaliser yesterday he now goes down as a grade A fucking twat.

What did he do?

I wasnt there so dont know

He ran to a young female town fan, got his tesicles in his hand and thrust them towards her.
Disgusting!

Before pulling a machete and beheading several stewards and a ball boy.

Nah, he just made a big deal of celebrating, directing it at the DRS. It wouldn't normally have bothered me, but he wasn't getting any real stick (at least from what I could hear) from our fans.

I have to agree with pretty much all of that Steve, Revell ran his bollocks off up front we just lacked that creative spark to put in a killer pass instead of humping it up to Revell or Paynter.

Millwall are the whingiest bunch of fuckwitts I have seen since Wimbledon and Cambridge, the Douglas tackle was right in front of me and it didn't look 2 footed to me but I havent seen the replay yet, looked harsh and Douglas did not slap the Abdou at all he went over say sorry for mistiming the tackle and 5 Millwall players intervened, the ref IMO got it wrong it was a yellow.

The ref said he is willing to examine the evidence and rescind the red if he is proved wrong so he couldn't have sent Douglas off for a slap.

Ferry, Cuthburt & Greer were awesome, Kennedy looked lost on the left wing (apart from 1 lovely Cruyff turn).

Revell looked fit and sharp and a better all round target man than Paynter.

JPM had his best game that I have seen him play.

Dissapointing result but still unbeaten in 12.

I didn't think Kennedy had a good game in defense either. I can see why JFL was subbed on and Kennedy moved to left wing though because the lad has a decent cross and McNamee was leaving the full back exposed even before Douglas was sent off.

Would have been interesting to see Jean-Francois's silky skills on the left wing though.

Can anyone post a link for the highlights...cant seem to find them today.

Think they're out on Monday

about the town fans singing "forever blowing bubbles" like john said to me, its worrying how many people actualy know the words from the song. we put it down to watching green street too many times.

Cheers.

I thought it looked a bit more two footed than it did from the DRS! I think he's gone in with one foot but his trailing foot was quite close behind.

Still think the reaction mde the refs mind up.

Well, having seen the Douglas tackle again I'm even more incensed by the decision.  Ferry's effort was worse and I'm even bordering on thinking it's barely a foul now, let alone a booking.  I'd appeal that based on the TV evidence.  I'm still not convinced the JP foul was worth a straight red either, booking.

Arriba, my take on your biggest grumble:

We'd run our socks off.  You may not agree, but it was abosultely clear the players were looking like they were running in mud when Revell went off.  We'd used up our subs to cover the sending off (Timlin on to shore up the midfield and hold on, yes hold on has to be the name of the game when a man down and leading, and then Lescinel on because Millwall were having too much joy down their right wing).  Paynter had to come on, so decision is made for him.  Now we are left with 5 defenders, 3 midfielders and a forward.  How do you manage to get a 2nd player upfront without too many square pegs in round holes and not exposing our flanks where were second best defending at times?  We had to stay 4-4-1 at best and use two defenders on one wing.  I think Wilson would have loved to have gone a different way, but his hands were tied by the players available on the pitch.

Leefer, were you pissed?  Millwall created 2 or 3 good chances before the sending off and caused us no end of problems down the flanks.  They are miles away from being the worst team to visit us this season, I'd say they are probably the best, along with Colchester ( who I thought at the time were well organised and set-up to do a job that would cause a lot of teams problems at this level).

We should have had a penalty in the 2nd half and created a couple of half chances that weren't taken (Amankwaah bursting into the box before stopping and Revell latching onto a good low cross but turning away from goal and shooting well over instead of working it the other way or trying first time).  You can't carry on pressing against 11 men when a man down, especially when you are getting trouble on both flanks - we'd have been picked off at will in the last 30 mins if we'd have tried that.

Fucking ref

Or I-player

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n9lgb/The_Football_League_Show_2009_2010_10_10_2009/

Our game is about 25 mins in

Re appealing: Isn't it the norm if you appeal and lose the suspension is increased? If that is the case is it worth doing or just take the punishment. I think the ref got it wrong and was bullied into the decision. It certainly wasn't in the Scoles class. and if he had made the same tackle in the premiership it would definitely been a yellow only but it was definitely a card.

Jack Smith was a great servant for us last season and maybe pissed off he didn't receive a contract I thought he deserved it. Remember last year it was Smith who was kicked to fuck by the Millwall players, he even had a punch up in the tunnel after the final whistle.

There is a lot of crap on here about Wilson.

At 11 vs 11 we were by far the better team. The ref allowed himself to be influenced by Millwall players who deliberately reacted to get Douglas sent off. Something they did again and again during the match. Douglas' was a slightly mistimed tackle, nothing more. The team ran their socks off yesterday. Millwall do play old school basic football, but to say they were crap is also nonsense.

Leefer and Arriba, lots of moaning about the subs, but no mention of who he could/should have actually put on. The problem we had was that Danny Wilson had no pacy options on the bench. We just could not trouble them on the counter attack. OBrien would have made a difference, but he's not back from injury yet.

Yesterday was a good effort, just got fooked up by the ref, sending off one of our best players. End of the day it was a point gained. Nothing at all like Wycombe, which was 2 points dropped.

Robert and Spence....why do you get all uppity about people like myself knocking the team occasionally.....in fact i didnt knock the team....i had ago at DW tactics which again baffled me....straight away withdrawing Hutch for Timlin was saying.....hear you go Millwall..we will sit back and hope you dont score cos we only have ten men....thats my opinion ime allowed it..Millwall were ok on reflection Robert but no better than any team we have played.....people who know me realise how much i love the team.....DW has done a great job and braught some quality in....Douglas being removed from the fray showed how much he means to the team......when  Millwall went down to Ten they equalised and nearly won it.....Paynter was on the bench....Hutchinson had been taken off so in my view it was again negative tactics at home.......i cant remember us having a shot in the second half,yet Millwall had half a dozen while down to ten men......anyway onwards and upwards...you cant have a forum without different views....it would be boring.

9 out of 10 managers would do the same though.

Youve caught a whopper!

9 out of 10 doesn't mean he was right.
The best way to defend is to be up and at them and they did this well when only had 10 men.
We seem to be a side who never goes for the jugular, Millwall were there for the taking, like all the other sides who have visited the CG this season, but on every occasions we have sat back to try and defend a one goal advantage.
Southampton who were awful nearly nicked a point against us, and I cant have the argument that our players were tied, after a 10 hour day at work I would understand, but not 90 minutes on a fotoball pitch.

A Gudgeon Tans....no more.

I dont think they are being uppity leefer it's like you say everyone has different opinions on how they view the game,although i must appologize for coming over a bit aggressive last night,I guess i should stop reading those adver comments first,Im 99% sure we would't have sat back had we not been down to ten men,It's just instict is it not that when any team goes down to ten and are infront they sit back and try to hold on.

I have noticed something tho we seem to dither a bit when the balls in our area,maybe someone just needs to stick their boot through it now and again and hoof it away at times,rather than just trying to play it out of trouble.

On another note i see the board have revised matchday ticket prices,a big well done for that mr fitton and the board,lets hope it helps to fill the town end and give's us a twelth man.

Hutchinson for Timlin was quite blatently the correct substitution. If you have your most influential player sent off you have to try and replace him somehow.

It was lack of pacy options that cost us. We need to get better at counter attacking. Go up the other end and smash one in, like Revell did at Brentford.

Its frustrating, but things just went against us yesterday. The team worked very hard, they couldnt have done much more.

Good shout....so why bring off your pacey forward....the defence are all capable of pushing up and helping the midfield...straight away it gave the Millwall defence no work to do......also didnt see Millwall going all shut up shop when they were down to ten.....in fact they did the opposite and nearly snatched the winner.......

I do believe thats 14 unbeaten at home now?

Because as he proved yesterday, Revell is the one you want chasing the ball around up top on his own. He ran his bollocks off. I doubt Hutchinson would've been as effective.

We ended up playing with none up front basicly...on account of Revell having to track back on four Millwall defenders constantly....he did work very hard granted...but mainly in our half....probably missed Topi yesterday as he wouldve been a better outlet with his pace.

Hutchinson? Pacy? Your having a laugh!

I thought the same as you Spencer. In fact id go as far to say that Paynter is probably quicker

The problem with Hutchinson is his pace is mediocre. But his 'football brain' is slower than that.

Got found out time and time again at Exeter.

Paynter runs on the spot...getting silly now Tans

Paynter works his socks off - one of the reasons he runs so much is he cant control the ball and has to chase after it, terrible first touch for a forward playing on his own up front. Different player when he laying the ball off quickly to a nippy partner.

I actually thaught Hutchinson caused Exeter problems with his runs...so did the Exeter fans i talked to afterwards....his goal at Brentford showed he has a football brain...it was a clever run and a very cool finish....me thinks your being abit hard on him!

He got put through at least twice at Exeter and never came close.

Credit where its due, it was a good finnish at Brentford. But for me, he is the weakest of all the strikers weve played so far this season.

My only criticism of Paynter is that he can be a bit soft if he isnt up for it. Overrall hes been a good player for us, created a lot of goals last year.

Got to agree about Paynter....we look alot better when hes in the team.....well maybe not alot...but moving on now we are only 8 behind the leaders and its still two months to Xmas so ware in a good position..............and to only lose one match all season so far is good....very good in fact.

Looking at it again on the TV, it looks like a foul, but if played in slow motion Douglas got the ball with the lead foot which made no contact with the Millwall player, was bought down with Douglas's trailing leg, so wasn't even a foul let alone a yellow or red.

The p[layer milked it for all it was worth & should be reported tpo the FA for bringing the game into disrepute

horrible somalian looking twat that he is.

Really? We were getting mauled in midfield and on the wings. Losing a midfielder for the sake of two strikers would have cost us a point.

 :soapy tit wank:

Interesting to see [before the referee intervened] how well we fared against a play-off side from last season, and one that really dominated us at home at a similar stage in 08/09.

No doubt at all that Millwall are in decline, whereas we are on the up.

If only we had a goalscorer or two in the side. Maybe that is something to look forward to next season.

I'm increasingly liking the look of Cuthbert.  Ages since we've had a defender who comes anywhere remotely close to "Ohh Shaun Taylor" for scoring goals from set pieces.

On a nother note good to see Jack Smith again, & so glad he didn't come back to score against us

I think Cuthbert is going to go on to really good things. He is just getting better and better at centre back.

Of course Millwall didnt sit back when they went down to 10 men. They were 1-0 down!!

...and of course they were playing against a team who had been a man down for ages and who were knackered.

Here Here.......was quality again yesterday.

Cuthbert was collosal yesterday

Cuthbert looks pure class. He outshone Greer yesterday.

Cuthbert & Greer are so similar to Taylor & Calderwood, both good in the air, not bad tackling/positioning and both will become legends for the Town if we can keep hold of them (Cuffy especially).

We need to try and sign Ferry, break the bank and get him here, he reminds me of Ling the way he runs around, good on the ball, plays simple passes but Ling was better going forward whereas Ferry is a better tackler.

er.i didn't moan about the subs at all spencer.
my critsism was of douglas's tackle(which as soon as i saw the footage admitted my mistake)
and our formation 10vs10 which i stand by.

robt i dont buy the knackered thing at all apart from revell who was on his own.the others sat and soaked it up when we were a man down so ran no more than usual.
if fatigue was an issue then they need to be fitter.

I still don't see how we could have changed formation without looking like complete planks.  Before they score we had to go with the 4-4-1 because even with 11 they were creating.  Once they had scored we were pretty much influenced by the players we had on the pitch.

Arriba - we may not be fit enough, don't know, but they absolutely were tired.  It may have been a mental thing rather than physical, but they couldn't change it whatever it was.

Plus lets not forget we've played tuesday, saturday, tuesday, saturday.

Than in itself is probably a bit tiring

Paaaaallllleeeeaaaase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GOING UP AS FUCKIN CHAMPIONS

Fucking hell, that comment wouldn't look out of place on Thisis.

Millwall were a good side, best I have seen here all season. If they could finish then we would have been fucked. James Henry is as good a winger as you will see at this level, he absolutely tore Kennedy apart in the first half but luckily his delivery wasn't the best. Very glad to see the back of him early in the second half.

The lad on the other side, Martin, was also a threat as was Hackett who they brought on.

We were very lucky to come away with a point, the lads battled very well and brilliant effort, but we should have lost that really.

If DW had made a different decision after the red we'd still probably have drawn or lost and all those moaning about the decision he did make would be moaning that he didn't do exactly what he did do.

The ref did absolutely ruin what was shaping up to be a decent game, that foul on super Kev wound me up perhaps even more than the red, the guy knew exactly what he was doing and if he'd have tugged his shirt it would have been a yellow.  It was clearly a worse challenge that the one Macca got a card for.

What match were you watching...before the sending off Millwall were piss poor..i mean that...piss poor...the sending off helped them no end..dont offend me  Chris with shit about Thisis..ive never looked at Thisis unlike yourself obviously....i know a few people who go on it and there decent Town fans,,,,,all this snobbery about it makes me chuckle...course theres some muppets on there some right idiots in fact......for you to say Millwall were the best team here this season is laughable...MK and Colchester were better and i would say even Southampton will finish higher than Millwall....youve got your opinions ive got mine.....but theres no need to get personal.

why do you think they were that bad leefer?
before the first sending off it was a decent game of football with both sides looking alright imo.we were just about edging it at that point i reckon

I've seen worse teams than Millwall. Wycombe and Southampton were pretty dire but Colchester and Southend looked to have more about them than Millwall.

Before the sending off they weren't upto much at all, fair comment, but afterwards they played fairly well I thought and created a few chances, understandble considering they had an extra man, but they were far from piss poor and they have a few handy players.

I wasn't at the MK game and I thought Colchester were well drilled without being too much of a threat, they will be there abouts come May I would have thought though. Wasn't at Southampton match either but by all acounts we could have had 4 or 5 if it wasn't for Kelvin Davis.

I'm not getting personal leefer, as you said we have both got our own opinions so fair enough.

i'll sumarise my ramblings from yesterday:

fucking ref, never a red live and also on the replays- shocking inconsistent decisions all round

complete lack of class from jack smith, what a cunt

craig deserves aids, as does the wee somalian lad he presumably caught it from, as does harris

steve morrison deserves to be investigated by the FA for kicking the ball out of lucas's hands, kicking lucas in the belly and then kneeing him in the head. the lino saw it, kept his flag down, the ref clearly thought something was amiss as he took morrison to one side and had a fucking chat with him...unbelievable stuff

thank you for this opportunity to repeat everyone's views

Fair enough Chris.....believe me ime loving this season..been to four away already..but was disapointed yesterday thats all,for the record Millwall away..

Won..0
Drawn..3
Lost.. 3..........................not great in my view.

Them Millwall fans aren't too happy with Amankwaah are they? Seems they think he pointed at his balls and held up 1 finger to Harris Can't say I saw that, and I see he has said he didn't do it.

http://www.independentmillwall.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94396

I didn't see him gesture either, but something quite provocative must've been said/motioned for Harris to flare up like he did.

only one person saw the gesture - and now that one person has heard a rumour that big Kev is playing the race card.

I think he's making it up as he goes along.

What aload of bollock

How do the mods let em get away with filth on that forum....calling Amankwah a spade....moonraker isnt happy.

good work Dave

See you DROPPED the s Dave....good one.

So if this one Millwall fan is to be believed then Neil Harris is a racist then?

No wonder that lot all love him so much.

To be fair to the ref, we've been able to watch those two red card incidents multiple times via the highlights and there is still some disagreement as to whether they were the correct decisions or not. Given that the ref got to see them once at full speed, maybe we should cut him a bit of slack over them.

Though having said that, the foul on Amankwaah was definitely a yellow and how the fuck he got that wrong I'll never know.

I thought at the time isnt wasnt a red card after watching the highlights im convinced it wasnt a red card.

Now I understand I had a different (maybe better) view than the ref but if I can see it clear as day from the back of the DRS then I fail to see why the referee cant see it from 10 yards away.

Of course, I am also biased in the fact that I decide how to judge a tackle on the actual tackle not the play acting and general cuntishness of the opposition.

If Abdou had got up instead of play acting and if the Millwall players hadnt all surrouded Douglas and the ref - I dont think he would have been sent off.

Thaught he missed a cert pen that would have put us 2 up if scored i think...certainly wasnt the worse ref in the world.

I didn't think it was a penalty. Looked like it hit has arm, but it was by his side and not raised so a penalty would have been harsh.

He wasnt the worst ref.

He just got EVERYTHING wrong.

Worst we've had since that twat against Hartlepool

Seen em given.....usually against us.

I'd be more inclined to do so if
a) He hadn't clearly given the red against Douglas because of the Millwall players' histrionics, not his own judgement on what he saw
b) He hadn't got so much else wrong
The only redeeming feature was that he was at least consistent - consistently shit.

Having looked at the Douglas tackle several times, the real question has to be:

Was It A Foul?  :eek:

Just saw the Douglas challenge again. Debatable whether it is even a yellow card.

Would be disappointed if we did not appeal

that was pretty positive Bart!!

The sky is falling!

Fucking Bart! Always moaning about something.

RE: the Douglas tackle, nobody around the incident seem bothered about the tackle until the Millwall defenders charge in. They obviously had a better view.

If you watch the highlights, have a look at Ferry's challenge about 5 seconds before Douglas'. It looks far more deserving of a red!

Not moaning- just think after looking at it a few times since that it is harsh  that he now gets a 3 match ban for a tackle which probably wasnt even a yellow

Just kidding Barty Boy.

I reckon the Millwall goal was offside. If you look at the replay, a Millwall player is moving forwards on the edge of the 6 yard box when the player shoots and looks just just offside, he is pretty much in line between the player shooting and Lucas which would make him active.

Changing the subject somewhat, is anyone else getting annoyed with Lucas's distribution?
Time and time again against Brentford and Millwall he was punting the long kick in the vague direction of a lone striker with no-one to flick it on to, opposition get the ball and have the time to put us under pressure again. Surely when you're in front and time is running out for the opposition the most important thing is to keep hold of the ball!

Dunno whether this is under instruction but it sure isn't working.

Up until the sending off Lucas was consistently looking to both full backs to roll the ball to, even if he didn't end up doing it every time.  I'd assume that the team were advised to get their shape from goal kicks from that point on, to stop the game from being open.

definitely not a red card I think the ref intended to send Ferry off and got the wrong man.