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Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: juddie on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:26:42
....asks malpas. One win in nine might explain it. Now, I'm not one of the Malpas out brigade, but he's starting to frustrate me with his comments. The media aren't 'exaggerating' our slide down the table at all, we have slid down the table!

Win some games and people might get off your back.

It's all well and good playing well but results speak for themselves. We played quite well in the Premiership, too...

That is all.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: caveman on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:28:43
we wont go down, give him half of next season to sort things out

ffs we almost didn't have a club a matter of weeks ago

STFC fans amaze me sometime


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: juddie on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:32:35
so because the club almost went under we're not allowed to have an opinion on on-field matters? That's useful isn't it?

Don;t get me wrong, the fact that we're discussing on-field matters and not off-field problems is great in itself, but surely we're allowed to have an opinion?!


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: juddie on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:33:11
and I'm not saying we'll go down, I'm criticizing Malpas' comments about everyone being negative. People are only being negative because we're not winning games.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Wood_Ayre on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:34:52
If we give him until half of next season, when judgment day comes, and Malpas has underachieved and is out the door (for argument sakes :wink: ), wouldn't that leave the next manager who comes in in the same situation as MM started with?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:46:43
When a manager comes in and states he thinks we can get into the playoffs then wins 1 in 9 I think the fans have a right to moan about it


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:49:25
That play off talk was stupid, we've been mid table all season.  Recently we've been beaten by some play off teams, that's football.

I think what some are saying is, after years of negatively I'd rather give that school of thought a break and give the bloke some time.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: juddie on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:54:54
Fairy muff Jan, I can understand that. I'm just thinking from the board's point of view.. Here they are trying to talk up building attendances and Malpas is in the media polarising opinion by criticising people for being negative.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Friday, March 28, 2008, 10:58:14
Yeah I can see how this article has peeved a few fans off, but to be fair to the bloke that "why are we all being so negative comment?" probably was just a throw away remark, not a question to be printed as a headline for 90 fans to reply slating the fella.

I'm just glad the net wasn't around in 93/94 as Jan, John G and the team in general would have been crucified on it.  Where have our good natured fans gone?  "Going down, going down, going down" so we reply "so are we...." for example.  It seems we're all intent on just slagging people off as soon as results don't go our way these days.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Lumps on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:01:02
I'm just fairly happy that the only thing that people have to moan about is the fact that we don't have a chance of playing Championship football next year.

Putting the whole insolvency shit to one side for the moment, at the beginning of the season I seem to remember most people were just hoping we could survive in this league, consolidate our position and push on next season.

A few people might have got a bit carried away when we went on a decent run early on under Sturrock, but I was always just hoping for mid table safety and no real relegation jitters going into the last 4/5 games.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:01:29
Actually I've just re-read the article, does he actually ask that question,?  Or has an Adver journo just used that question as a headline for effect?

If it isn;t a direct quote, then I think that's a bit of a stitch up to be fair.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: juddie on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:06:18
perhaps not slagging people off, but opening it up for discussion - that's what the forum is all about.

I do agree, though, that the direct quote may have come from the journo's direct questioning. I'd just find it refreshing for mo mo to say, for example, some thing like: it's been a frustrating month and we all have a right to be disappointed, results haven't gone as planned because we haven't won enough games. I'm unhappy with results and will try and finish the season as strongly as possible so we can build in the summer etc etc

each to their own, I guess he is trying to be positive, which is his job.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:06:47
It's a headline as designed by the Editor I would have thought, probably not even the reporter.  I was about to smack my head in disbelief when I saw the headline but on reading it couldn't see where it came from.  I think Malpas' went a bit OTT on the performances but it didn't strike me as an interview where he was actually trying to have a go at anyone other than the media.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:12:00
Agreed Bob.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Luci on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:12:53
I think the adver are just scraping around for stories to be honest.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:17:11
Just like pouring petrol on the flames over on their site though.

I hate the way that the Adver seem to think that their forum is THE voice of the fans.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: fatbury on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:17:40
Im being positive !!! .. 21 points out of 21 on the way! :)


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Sussex on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:18:47
One of the first rules of journalism - don't just report the news, make the news.

It sells more copies, gets reaction which in turn creates more opportunities for stories. And repeat, and repeat...

It's the way the media works.  :smile1:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Mark Hanrahan on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:23:40
In his interview he is actually blaming the media for setting the negative tone... and therefore in my mind he's missed the point. The fans have had the arse for a few weeks now and after 1 win in 9 rightly so. He's giving the impression his finger is off the pulse on this front which makes him even easier to criticise.

For my money the club has not been clear, united and consistent in asserting realistic aims for this year. Given we've had a complete change of leadership that's perhaps understandable. That said, fans expectations have not been well managed as a result - ultimately making MM's job even harder for himself of late.

Perhaps if we'd talked 'consolidation and anything else is a bonus' on a clear and consistent basis we (fans) wouldn't have got overly carried away when we were just a few points off the P/Os.

I want the club to put proper foundations inplace (on and off the pitch) and we're not going to do that swapping and changing every five minutes. I'e been a bit baffled by some of what I seen of late but I want the fella given the same crack of the whip as Wise and Sturrock got, i.e. a full pre-season, a chance to get their own squad and backroom staff together etc. If he fails after enjoying that kind of backing, it's got to be curtains. That time is certainly not now though.

I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:28:24
Quote from: "Mark Hanrahan"
In his interview he is actually blaming the media for setting the negative tone... and therefore in my mind he's missed the point. The fans have had the arse for a few weeks now and after 1 win in 9 rightly so. He's giving the impression his finger is off the pulse on this front which makes him even easier to criticise.

For my money the club has not been clear, united and consistent in asserting realistic aims for this year. Given we've had a complete change of leadership that's perhaps understandable. That said, fans expectations have not been well managed as a result - ultimately making MM's job even harder for himself of late.

Perhaps if we'd talked 'consolidation and anything else is a bonus' on a clear and consistent basis we (fans) wouldn't have got overly carried away when we were just a few points off the P/Os.

I want the club to put proper foundations inplace (on and off the pitch) and we're not going to do that swapping and changing every five minutes. I'e been a bit baffled by some of what I seen of late but I want the fella given the same crack of the whip as Wise and Sturrock got, i.e. a full pre-season, a chance to get their own squad and backroom staff together etc. If he fails after enjoying that kind of backing, it's got to be curtains. That time is certainly not now though.

I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?


 :goodpost:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:32:28
agreed Mark, the biggest problem was the talk of play offs.  I'd have preferred something like "we need stability and a good 6-12 months of building up from the ground, which will mean we consolidate in the league, expect some periods where we don't always win and begin to look at the players in the full squad, using the remainder of this season as a testing ground".


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:40:50
Quote from: "Mark Hanrahan"
In his interview he is actually blaming the media for setting the negative tone... and therefore in my mind he's missed the point. The fans have had the arse for a few weeks now and after 1 win in 9 rightly so. He's giving the impression his finger is off the pulse on this front which makes him even easier to criticise.

For my money the club has not been clear, united and consistent in asserting realistic aims for this year. Given we've had a complete change of leadership that's perhaps understandable. That said, fans expectations have not been well managed as a result - ultimately making MM's job even harder for himself of late.

Perhaps if we'd talked 'consolidation and anything else is a bonus' on a clear and consistent basis we (fans) wouldn't have got overly carried away when we were just a few points off the P/Os.

I want the club to put proper foundations inplace (on and off the pitch) and we're not going to do that swapping and changing every five minutes. I'e been a bit baffled by some of what I seen of late but I want the fella given the same crack of the whip as Wise and Sturrock got, i.e. a full pre-season, a chance to get their own squad and backroom staff together etc. If he fails after enjoying that kind of backing, it's got to be curtains. That time is certainly not now though.

I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?
You say give him a fair crack of the whip but elsewhere you say Kaid has had his chance and we should ship him out .


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:51:35
Quote from: "RobertT"
agreed Mark, the biggest problem was the talk of play offs.  I'd have preferred something like "we need stability and a good 6-12 months of building up from the ground, which will mean we consolidate in the league, expect some periods where we don't always win and begin to look at the players in the full squad, using the remainder of this season as a testing ground".


the problem with that though is every club does it, 8 points behind the play offs with 40 plus left to play for you're going to say, if asked, that you still have a chance of the play offs.  No manager or player is going to say at that stage, "yeah we want to settle for mid table medicority".  

They're going to big it up.  

After all that's gone on with our club recently it really disappoints me that when the chips are down (on th epitch) we can't rally behind the lads and give them 100% support.  The atmosphere at the CG has been appalling recently and the talk on the net is just building up the pressure.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:01:30
FFS performances recently have not been good (baring Carlisle) and the results have followed this, I think that we have a right to ask questions as we watch the team slip down the table.

Would you be happy if we never won another game this season, would you still be thinking "let's give him next season to see what he does" it's not his fault they are not his players ?

Surely the sign of a good a good manager is when he is able to improve the players he has by getting that extra 10% and tinker to improve the squad ?

It would be so bad if we was playing well and was always unlucky to lose every game but it hasn't been.

It's not as if he inherated a team that was on a nose dive towards relegation.

I will give credit and praise when it is earnt and deserved.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:08:41
we are negative as the team is playing shit morris!
your continued use of square pegs in round holes is driving us round the bloody bend!
we have not improved at all sice mr malpas arrived.
he has it all to do imo.saying our performances have been "excellent" beggars belief.
surely this man is deluded?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Mark Hanrahan on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:07:41
Quote from: "janaage"
Quote from: "RobertT"
agreed Mark, the biggest problem was the talk of play offs.  I'd have preferred something like "we need stability and a good 6-12 months of building up from the ground, which will mean we consolidate in the league, expect some periods where we don't always win and begin to look at the players in the full squad, using the remainder of this season as a testing ground".


the problem with that though is every club does it, 8 points behind the play offs with 40 plus left to play for you're going to say, if asked, that you still have a chance of the play offs.  No manager or player is going to say at that stage, "yeah we want to settle for mid table medicority".  

They're going to big it up.  

After all that's gone on with our club recently it really disappoints me that when the chips are down (on th epitch) we can't rally behind the lads and give them 100% support.  The atmosphere at the CG has been appalling recently and the talk on the net is just building up the pressure.


The trouble is, they have neither commited publically and 'gone for it' or held back.

As for my Kaid remarks, he has had the same amount of opportunities in training (including a full pre-season) and the reserves to impress as any of the other reserves. If we had only had him for 2 or three months and shown him the door I'd have shared the same sentiments as I do towards MM.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:15:46
The simple fact is the football and the results have not been good enough. If Malpas had come out at some point and said listen these are not my players give me a chance in summer etc and see what I do then judge me I think a lot of people who are unsure would of maybe thought twice. Instead he has come out and said whats the problem we are playing good football when we clearly are not .


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Mark Hanrahan on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:40:28
Neither were they initially under Lou Macari, and yet with time he managed to lay the foundations for what became a near decade of incredible success. He was literally kicked out the door at one stage!

I'm not saying the same (i.e. unbridled on-pitch success) will definitely happen under Malpas but after just a clutch of games how do we honestly know either way?

I'm as frustrated as anyone but a knee-jerk sacking of the manager is only going to perpetuate the problems that have beset this club for the last decade. I'm willing to place my full trust in the new board and their managerial choice until such a time as he has enjoyed a proper crack of the whip and still not improved upon our current on-pitch predicaments.

I would agree however that his current 'public' optimism is a little misplaced.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:42:07
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
The simple fact is the football and the results have not been good enough. If Malpas had come out at some point and said listen these are not my players give me a chance in summer etc and see what I do then judge me I think a lot of people who are unsure would of maybe thought twice. Instead he has come out and said whats the problem we are playing good football when we clearly are not .


If he had come out and said that you would probably of said he was just making excuses and if he cant motivate these players he will struggle to motivate any.  

These players have been inconsistent under the last 3 managers and still are now.  

Some people have took an instant dislike to Malpas and refuse to explore all the reasons that could be between our slide down the league.

When evaluating our current form you need to look at the players, the coaching team and Malpas the buck does not just stop with the manager.  

These same players were not setting the world alight under Sturrock this season, the coaching team has no experience of working with first teams and the manager doesn't have a proven track record.  Let the manager bring in some experienced specialist coaches and his own players then lets see how we get on.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:44:37
Perhaps though his current public copmments come from a man feeling the pressure of the bad run we are on and not being sure how to fix it and perhaps his experiences of Motherwell are playing on his mind ?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, March 28, 2008, 16:10:53
You say they did not set the world alight but players like Ifil,aljofree,peacock even zaboub add to that cox and paynter  were playing at a fairly consistent level maybe not great but consistent  under sturrock  .


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Arriba on Friday, March 28, 2008, 16:15:20
dress it up all you want.we have gone backwards since malpas took over.whether he can turn it around is the issue.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 28, 2008, 16:19:48
Quote from: "arriba"
dress it up all you want.we have gone backwards since malpas took over.whether he can turn it around is the issue.


tp be fair, if Malpas was any good he wouldnt have anything to turn around in the first place.

we're going backwards under Malpas, its alright saying give him pre-season and a chance to bring in his own players but personally I dont see whats so wrong about our squad.

Its a good squad and I dont think Malpas needs to do alot of wheeling and deeling in the summer.

The pre-season stuff also doesnt make sense to me because the last two pre-seasons have been good and the players have looked fit. The only manager who really got screwed over by not having pre-season was Iffy because the pre-season that season done by Reeves & King was fucking awful and our players were unfit from the off...


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, March 28, 2008, 17:13:15
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
You say they did not set the world alight but players like Ifil,aljofree,peacock even zaboub add to that cox and paynter  were playing at a fairly consistent level maybe not great but consistent  under sturrock  .


 :shock:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, March 28, 2008, 17:16:42
Zaboub was better under Sturrock than he has been for Malpas but then he has been playing on the right


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 28, 2008, 17:24:22
Quote from: "DV"
Quote from: "arriba"
dress it up all you want.we have gone backwards since malpas took over.whether he can turn it around is the issue.



 The only manager who really got screwed over by not having pre-season was Iffy because the pre-season that season done by Reeves & King was fucking awful and our players were unfit from the off...


 I saw a number of training sessions that pre season and the problem was that  :king: ended up lumbered with the thing he was shit at, namely training and coaching.  This, because of cut backs in the coaching staff like Crosby.

  King was basically using methods he'd used as a player himself in the late 70's early 80's.....it was obvious we would struggle.

  I think the players are the problem....insofar as they came in to play for Sturrock and seem a bit down that he's fucked off and left them with MM.

 He needs to get the bulk of these out,  and replace them with his own type of player and teh kids.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, March 28, 2008, 17:24:26
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
Zaboub was better under Sturrock than he has been for Malpas but then he has been playing on the right


Absolute toss Zaboub was more inconsistent arguably under Sturrock just because he played alot more games.  If Zaboub played as well as he did Cheltenham away he would be playing at a higher level, I hate to break to to you but Sturrock couldn't get him playing well consistently either.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 28, 2008, 17:26:30
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
Zaboub was better under Sturrock than he has been for Malpas but then he has been playing on the right


  Playing a left footer on the right is not that stupid....Lionel Messi, arguably the current world number 1....is a left footed player playing on the right,


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Friday, March 28, 2008, 17:27:58
I said he was better not more consistent


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: lebowski on Friday, March 28, 2008, 19:36:44
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
I think the players are the problem....insofar as they came in to play for Sturrock and seem a bit down that he's fucked off and left them with MM.

 He needs to get the bulk of these out,  and replace them with his own type of player and teh kids.

I have that feeling too.

And anyway, comparing Malpas to Sturrock is ridiculous. If I had the inclination, I could find 20+ utterances of "Sturrock is the best manager outside the Premiership" on this forum, yet people are not just surprised, but absolutely disgusted that his successor isn't as good!

We didn't know how lucky we were with Sturrock. He's gone now. We have to re-build.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, March 28, 2008, 20:59:36
Quote from: "Mark Hanrahan"
I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?


That is true Mr H. However, the difference with Macari is that the fans, to a man, could see that, playing wise, we were going in the right direction under him even though that was not always reflected in the results. Consequently, when Macari was sacked, the reaction of the fans was totally unpresidented and something I have not seen at any other club in the land in the 20 odd years since. It was without doubt the fans who got Macari reinstated. And the rest, as they say, is history. I somehow don't think that would happen with Mr Malpas.

I'm certainly not from the Malpas Out camp. Any new manager needs time, not just 5 or 6 games but a whole season. That said though, we need to start showing some kind of improvement soon. That does not seem to be happening right now. Until it does, it will be difficult to back him with any degree of confidence. Unless performances do start to improve consistantly, the question in my mind will be, "Has he really got what it takes to turn things round, or will giving him a whole season just be as season wasted?" I am glad it's a question I don't have to answer. I hope Messrs Fitton Watkins et al are ready to address it.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, March 28, 2008, 21:03:20
Quote from: "lebowski"
We didn't know how lucky we were with Sturrock


Just for the record, I did. He was and still would be, the perfect manager for our club.

OK, I promise not to mention Sturrock again. Let's move on!


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Tails on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:07:06
Quote from: "OOH!  SHAUN TAYLOR"
Quote from: "Mark Hanrahan"
I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?


That is true Mr H. However, the difference with Macari is that the fans, to a man, could see that, playing wise, we were going in the right direction under him even though that was not always reflected in the results.


Thing is we've played fairly well recently, with the odd game or two being a disaster, so why isn't it the same? When you consider our last games have been against..

Tranmere
Southend
Brighton
Carlisle (daylight robbery)
Leyton Orient

Who are all in the mix for promotion, and before that...

Huddersfield (which we won of course)
Leeds (where we were completely robbed, IMO)
Oldham (which we drew, not a bad point away from home)
Walsall
Forest

With the last 2 being up there as well. Is anyone going to consider the fact that maybe Malpas has been unlucky with the opposition he's come up against? We've got Donny coming up aswell, maybe it would have been a different story had we had easier opposition. Ie, the likes of the teams we've beaten.. Luton, Cheltenham, Huddersfield...


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: adje on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:29:07
Tails in sensible post sensation!Spot on


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: dell boy on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:00:14
Quote from: "Tails"
Quote from: "OOH!  SHAUN TAYLOR"
Quote from: "Mark Hanrahan"
I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?


That is true Mr H. However, the difference with Macari is that the fans, to a man, could see that, playing wise, we were going in the right direction under him even though that was not always reflected in the results.


Thing is we've played fairly well recently, with the odd game or two being a disaster, so why isn't it the same? When you consider our last games have been against..

Tranmere
Southend
Brighton
Carlisle (daylight robbery)
Leyton Orient

Who are all in the mix for promotion, and before that...

Huddersfield (which we won of course)
Leeds (where we were completely robbed, IMO)
Oldham (which we drew, not a bad point away from home)
Walsall
Forest

With the last 2 being up there as well. Is anyone going to consider the fact that maybe Malpas has been unlucky with the opposition he's come up against? We've got Donny coming up aswell, maybe it would have been a different story had we had easier opposition. Ie, the likes of the teams we've beaten.. Luton, Cheltenham, Huddersfield...


All the sides below us in the league have a better record against said opposition above I believe, even Cheltenham and Gillingham.
He may be an unlucky manager, and that being the case even more reason to get rid of him.

Give me a lucky forward who gets those LUCKY bounces, or a lucky winner on the horses anyday. Its even harder to raise your game when you believe you are doing nothing wrong and still losing.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:24:40
just heard malpas say we were the better team last night.think i've heard that a bit too much lately.
we are not winning which is the most important issue


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:40:46
Quote from: "arriba"
just heard malpas say we were the better team last night.think i've heard that a bit too much lately.
we are not winning which is the most important issue

Agreed and the reason we were 'better' was probably because being 2-0 up Tranmere probably tried to shut up shop and sat back.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:41:46
I agree with Arriba. It's a results business and even if we have played well at times (which we have) the reasons we haven't picked up wins is because we have been clueless at the back. That alone means you do not deserve to win the game. 1 win in 10 is quite frankly shocking and confidence must be rock bottom. With 6 games to go that worries me greatly. Still at least Gillingham have Carlisle today  :-))(


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:43:21
we play well because all the teams take an early lead and sit back

Brighton, Southend and now Tranmere

Southend on saturday shut up shop at 1-0 and didnt get out of second gear, if we'd pulled one back with more than 10 minutes to go Southend would have come back at us and scored again anyway.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:56:30
Also how can 1 win and 10 be unlucky? ............all teams in this league are much of a muchness so is it the case that Malpas is unlucky we got promoted last season as it'd be easier in league 2?  :-))(  He's not upto the job and the more he blames others and luck the more he will polarise our supporters. He seems entirely incapable of taking responsibility for his own shortcomings


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 12:58:21
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Also how can 1 win and 10 be unlucky? ............all teams in this league are much of a muchness so is it the case that Malpas is unlucky we got promoted last season as it'd be easier in league 2?  :-))(  He's not upto the job and the more he blames others and luck the more he will polarise our supporters. He seems entirely incapable of taking responsibility for his own shortcomings


What about the assistants and coaches as well though? People can point the blame at MM but surely Byrne and Williams must be at fault as well?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 13:04:24
Quote from: "Iffy's Onion Bhaji"
Quote from: "glos_robin"
Also how can 1 win and 10 be unlucky? ............all teams in this league are much of a muchness so is it the case that Malpas is unlucky we got promoted last season as it'd be easier in league 2?  :-))(  He's not upto the job and the more he blames others and luck the more he will polarise our supporters. He seems entirely incapable of taking responsibility for his own shortcomings


What about the assistants and coaches as well though? People can point the blame at MM but surely Byrne and Williams must be at fault as well?

But they work under Malpas don't they? he could try and get them replaced maybe, get in his own people. He was happy to work with them when he joined so obviously saw no problem...... At the end of the day MM is responsible for footballing matters or in our case lack of.
On a side note I think Byrne and Williams are both useless yes but the fact this exact situation occurred at Motherwell also says to me Malpas is useless in his own right and doesn't need poor coaches to drag him down.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 13:07:55
Glos for Manager!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 13:14:04
Quote from: "tans"
Glos for Manager!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or not I just don't think were blessed with competant coaches at the moment and unfortunately with my Mums side of the family being Aberdeen season ticket holders I have heard abit about Scottish Football. I just don't buy this luck stuff, by the end of the season Malpas will have had almost half a season in charge, if our form is as bad as it is now then I don't see how he can keep his job.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 13:24:19
I was jesting.

I dont blame this luck bollocks either. My opinion is just inept management. Remember Iffy got the sack at the end of 2005/06 season, and he was in an even worse position when he started, and it didnt get better. Malpas was given a team in a reasonable position, and hes fucked it basically, and we are now in freefall.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 19:43:07
Quote from: "Tails"
Is anyone going to consider the fact that maybe Malpas has been unlucky with the opposition he's come up against?... maybe it would have been a different story had we had easier opposition. Ie, the likes of the teams we've beaten.. Luton, Cheltenham, Huddersfield...


Well I'm certainly not prepared to consider that. That has to be the lamest excuse ever :?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: yeo on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 20:06:24
I'm starting to like Malpas,mainly because he's under fire.

You Malpas doubters will eat your words next season :P


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 20:21:38
Quote from: "yeovil red"
I'm starting to like Malpas,mainly because he's under fire.

You Malpas doubters will eat your words next season :P


I agree on both accounts


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Spud on Saturday, March 29, 2008, 20:45:03
Quote from: "yeovil red"
I'm starting to like Malpas,mainly because he's under fire.

You Malpas doubters will eat your words next season :P


 :soapy tit wank:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 31, 2008, 09:31:33
Quote from: "OOH!  SHAUN TAYLOR"
Quote from: "Tails"
Is anyone going to consider the fact that maybe Malpas has been unlucky with the opposition he's come up against?... maybe it would have been a different story had we had easier opposition. Ie, the likes of the teams we've beaten.. Luton, Cheltenham, Huddersfield...


Well I'm certainly not prepared to consider that. That has to be the lamest excuse ever :?


Well I think it's unfair of you not to, when we've played teams down the bottom or near us we've actually done well. 3-0 against Cheltenham, 3-0 up against Huddersfield before the ref decided he wanted his name in lights, and a decent 4 points away at Luton and Oldham. The rest of the teams we've played have all been decent and while some of you refuse to draw luck into it I genuinely believe we have been unlucky in recent weeks.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 31, 2008, 09:46:32
Going on the last ten games:

Cheltenham (h) 3-0 : We deserved to win and played very well.
Forest (a) 0-1: Sounded like we didn't cover ourselves in glory, and maybe deserved to lose
Walsall (h) 0-3: Played absolutley fucking awfull
Oldham (a) 2-2: Sounded like a decent away performance
Leeds (h) 0-1: Cant blame Malpas for our players missing a hatfull of chances
Huddersfield (h) 3-2: Played well untill the ref ruined it. Not as good as oth3er performances, but good enough
Leyton Orient (a) 1-2: Haven't a clue, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt, because no-one else wants too.
Carlisle (h) 2-2: Played really well, but conceded two sloppy goals.
Brighton (a) 1-2: Sounded like another example of our strikers not being able to finish their dinner. And apparently their two goals were realy good strikes aswell
Southend (h) 0-1: This was a bad performance.
Tranmere (a) 1-2: Again, another example of missing chance after chance. Going by what Ed hadwin said we were unlucky to lose

I make that as only 2, possibly 3 really bad performances. And they were all against teams in and around the play-offs. The only worry is the alarming rate we're conceding goals. Malpas can't be blamed for our strikers fall in form


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: janaage on Monday, March 31, 2008, 11:19:32
Good summary Dave!!

LO was a decent enough performance too.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 11:26:50
People can cover it up anyway they like all i know is that in january there was a massive wave of optimism and all that has been drained due to poor results ,poor performances and poor tactics.

But hey never mind because we have been unlucky


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: adje on Monday, March 31, 2008, 11:59:37
Quote from: "STFC dave"
Going on the last ten games:

Cheltenham (h) 3-0 : We deserved to win and played very well.
Forest (a) 0-1: Sounded like we didn't cover ourselves in glory, and maybe deserved to lose
Walsall (h) 0-3: Played absolutley fucking awfull
Oldham (a) 2-2: Sounded like a decent away performance
Leeds (h) 0-1: Cant blame Malpas for our players missing a hatfull of chances
Huddersfield (h) 3-2: Played well untill the ref ruined it. Not as good as oth3er performances, but good enough
Leyton Orient (a) 1-2: Haven't a clue, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt, because no-one else wants too.
Carlisle (h) 2-2: Played really well, but conceded two sloppy goals.
Brighton (a) 1-2: Sounded like another example of our strikers not being able to finish their dinner. And apparently their two goals were realy good strikes aswell
Southend (h) 0-1: This was a bad performance.
Tranmere (a) 1-2: Again, another example of missing chance after chance. Going by what Ed hadwin said we were unlucky to lose

I make that as only 2, possibly 3 really bad performances. And they were all against teams in and around the play-offs. The only worry is the alarming rate we're conceding goals. Malpas can't be blamed for our strikers fall in form


Agree with that but I would also add that against Southend,although not a good performance,we had three absolute sitters in the last ten minutes-enough to win the game.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2008, 16:33:04
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
People can cover it up anyway they like all i know is that in january there was a massive wave of optimism and all that has been drained due to poor results ,poor performances and poor tactics.

But hey never mind because we have been unlucky


  The massive wave of optimism washed over me then....I recall us being a bit sketchy all season especially away from home where all our 3/4 managers this season, have manged one away win.

  Seems to me that AF wanted a low key boss, whose strength is in coaching and bringing kids through. Part of his thinking is that the last 2 high profile gaffers have fucked off at teh first whiff of a $ sign....leaving us in the shit.

  This is a 3 year project and it will take MM a while to get in his type of players, cut adrift the Sturrock men and start to bring in the kids.

 Alll the moaners do is increase the likelihood that AF will thinkiwhy the hell is he bothering and pull the plug.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: lebowski on Monday, March 31, 2008, 16:38:03
^^^^^^^^

What he just said.

We do have a lot of moaners though don't we?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 31, 2008, 16:42:15
I understand people worrying about results, but the amount of stick MM has endured in his brief tenure is worrying.

My biggest concern is that even if results do start to go our way, some people will still want him out...........................................


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 16:44:25
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
People can cover it up anyway they like all i know is that in january there was a massive wave of optimism and all that has been drained due to poor results ,poor performances and poor tactics.

But hey never mind because we have been unlucky


  The massive wave of optimism washed over me then....I recall us being a bit sketchy all season especially away from home where all our 3/4 managers this season, have manged one away win.

  Seems to me that AF wanted a low key boss, whose strength is in coaching and bringing kids through. Part of his thinking is that the last 2 high profile gaffers have fucked off at teh first whiff of a $ sign....leaving us in the shit.

  This is a 3 year project and it will take MM a while to get in his type of players, cut adrift the Sturrock men and start to bring in the kids.

 Alll the moaners do is increase the likelihood that AF will thinkiwhy the hell is he bothering and pull the plug.
That’s Bullshit.

There is absolutely fuckall wrong with me having a moan because we have won 1 in ten games and produced performances like crewe,southend, and walsall .

There is fuckall wrong with me not understanding why he plays Easton on the right,mcgovern in the centre,Drops  sturrock,plays Comminges on the left and then when we are chasing a game replaces Easton with with timlin and leaves sturrock on the bench again.

On match of the day last night both Dixon and Adams were talking about Avram Grant and said when your manager makes strange decisions it saps the teams confidence and I think this the case here .


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: lebowski on Monday, March 31, 2008, 16:49:04
Dixon and Adams?

Christ, you'll be quoting Spooney next.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:02:43
Quote from: "lebowski"
Dixon and Adams?

Christ, you'll be quoting Spooney next.
Yes because I am sure they have not got a clue what the fuck they are on about but let me guess you got the answers yes  :D


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: lebowski on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:09:21
:mrgreen:

Clearly I am a bit more selective about whose opinions I take as gospel than you are.

Each to their own.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:13:56
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
Quote from: "Reg Smeeton"
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
People can cover it up anyway they like all i know is that in january there was a massive wave of optimism and all that has been drained due to poor results ,poor performances and poor tactics.

But hey never mind because we have been unlucky


  The massive wave of optimism washed over me then....I recall us being a bit sketchy all season especially away from home where all our 3/4 managers this season, have manged one away win.

  Seems to me that AF wanted a low key boss, whose strength is in coaching and bringing kids through. Part of his thinking is that the last 2 high profile gaffers have fucked off at teh first whiff of a $ sign....leaving us in the shit.

  This is a 3 year project and it will take MM a while to get in his type of players, cut adrift the Sturrock men and start to bring in the kids.

 Alll the moaners do is increase the likelihood that AF will thinkiwhy the hell is he bothering and pull the plug.
That’s Bullshit.

There is absolutely fuckall wrong with me having a moan because we have won 1 in ten games and produced performances like crewe,southend, and walsall .

There is fuckall wrong with me not understanding why he plays Easton on the right,mcgovern in the centre,Drops  sturrock,plays Comminges on the left and then when we are chasing a game replaces Easton with with timlin and leaves sturrock on the bench again.

On match of the day last night both Dixon and Adams were talking about Avram Grant and said when your manager makes strange decisions it saps the teams confidence and I think this the case here .


  If you engaged your brain and used  the luggy things on the outside of your heed, then you'd have heard AF say what I have paraphrased.  

  It is indeed a fact that a couple of performances have been lamentable, but its what you get; when Lou Macari first started, I witnessed us lose 3-0 and 3-1 at home to Hereford and Torquay.....a few weeks later 0-1 to Port Vale in a grisly affair in front of a couple of thousand.

 This was all compounded, by losing at home to Dagenham in the FA Cup.

  It took Macari the best part of a season to work it out.....Colin Gordon was the acquisition from non league, that started turning the corner for him....who knows what gems MM might get in the summer.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:20:02
I remember that Dagenham game :shock:

Reg, surely everything Macari touched turned to gold in the first few weeks and months?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:21:46
Swindon fans just need something to moan about


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:27:28
Quote from: "RobertT"
I remember that Dagenham game :shock:

Reg, surely everything Macari touched turned to gold in the first few weeks and months?


 Yep like losing 10 in 12 away games after a 1-0 in the October  rain at Rochdale when Colin Gordon scored on his debut.  Including a 6-2 drubbing at Scunthorpe, which was part of the reason for his sacking.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:32:55
Sorry reg i meant the bit about Fitton pulling the plug .


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:35:16
Imagine if he'd been our Manager in this day and age, there would have been a protest to sack, not to reinstate him.  Unproven Scot (in management) with seemingly no contacts in the lower leagues or experience of it.  Created one of the most direct teams in the Country, so no flowing football on the "grass" (not sure there was much grass on the pitch in the mid 80's and until Ardiles arrived).  Presumably Beck carried on his mantle to some extent with the way he ran Cambridge.  Imagine it, that style of football, that background, that run of results, he'd have been lynched.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:38:49
And rightly so :D


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:39:33
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
Sorry reg i meant the bit about Fitton pulling the plug .


 Fair enough,  but it is a concern that MM  has been geting so much flak.  AF stated he was in this for football reasons, he isn't especially a fan of STFC.  As Spence states AF may be an idealist, but he saved our club, so for me he'll get my backing even if the football continues to be a bit shit for now, and MM so far hasn't set the world on fire.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:49:01
I'm waiting until the end of the season before I make any decision on Malpas, and depending on how that goes, I'll probably be willing to give him until next January at the very least.

We have some really shite teams to play in the next few weeks and although people may find it hard to conceive, they are perfectly winnable!!! It's not exactly likely, but it is possible that we could beat Vale, Gillingham, Rovers and Millwall and we would all look a bit silly for complaining. I think Tails made a valid point when he highlighted the fact we've played a lot of teams from the top end. Between now and the end of the season is Malpas' chance to prove himself and turn things around.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 17:51:24
Quote from: "lebowski"
:mrgreen:

Clearly I am a bit more selective about whose opinions I take as gospel than you are.

Each to their own.
I agree although on this occasion i will take notice of the ex international,european cup winners, fa cup and league cup and premier league winners version on events :wink:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2008, 18:05:42
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
Quote from: "lebowski"
:mrgreen:

Clearly I am a bit more selective about whose opinions I take as gospel than you are.

Each to their own.
I agree although on this occasion i will take notice of the ex international,european cup winners, fa cup and league cup and premier league winners version on events :wink:


 Fair play to Adams for having a go, but he got Wycombe relegated in his only crack at management.  

 As for playing players out of position, they all do it at some time of other.  

 Especially when you first start the job, you need to see what you have to work with.  Sometimes its just an expedient, like when Lou Macari had Jimmy Quinn playing as sweeper, or when Glen Hoddle had Dave Mitchell playing centre half marking Sir Les.

 Other times it works out great like Danny Williams who turned Rod Thomas from a fairly inept midfielder, into an international class full back, and Joe Butler from a steady left back into the prototype holding midfielder.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 31, 2008, 18:09:31
I see what your saying reg but come on most of the decisions have not been forced on him he is swapping about for the sake of it by the look of it


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2008, 19:12:41
Quote from: "Don Rogers Shop"
I see what your saying reg but come on most of the decisions have not been forced on him he is swapping about for the sake of it by the look of it


  MM said he wanted a creative midfielder....presumably someone who can pass...McGovern had apparently played there before, well according to Sturrock, so I think its lets see if he can do it.  (Its pretty clear he can't, but how long do you stick with it? ) When King shoved Howard into central midfield he looked a bit like a fish out of water, yet now he's supposed to be onn the verge of a 3mill move to the Prem in that position.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: SwindonStevo on Monday, March 31, 2008, 22:20:32
when your one win in ten and you need a result you dont play three or more players out of position.

Also play one of your best wingers in central midfield and  then have the nerve to complain about the standard of the crosses coming in....particlary as you also had a guy whos played central midfield all his life out on the right.

i just get the impression we could get relegated this year and some people will still say we have 'been unlucky' and to give him another six months.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, March 31, 2008, 22:28:37
Quote from: "SwindonStevo"
when your one win in ten and you need a result you dont play three or more players out of position.

Also play one of your best wingers in central midfield and  then have the nerve to complain about the standard of the crosses coming in....particlary as you also had a guy whos played central midfield all his life out on the right.

i just get the impression we could get relegated this year and some people will still say we have 'been unlucky' and to give him another six months.

If we were to go down I'm pretty sure everybody would be pretty pissed off with Malpas and with the players. The reason some people are being conservative now is because we are not going to get relegated.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: SwindonStevo on Monday, March 31, 2008, 22:48:22
although based on his record had malpas been in charge all year we would be battling relegation....despite excuses of bad luck and 'playing the top teams'


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, March 31, 2008, 22:59:05
Quote from: "SwindonStevo"
although based on his record had malpas been in charge all year we would be battling relegation....despite excuses of bad luck and 'playing the top teams'


Every team has a bad run. We didn't really have a bad run under Sturrock. Yes we lost a few games but never lost 3 in a row. We were always going to hit a bad spell and we have.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, March 31, 2008, 22:59:38
Quote from: "SwindonStevo"
although based on his record had malpas been in charge all year we would be battling relegation....despite excuses of bad luck and 'playing the top teams'


Bollocks it's all ifs and buts. I could equally argue, that had Malpas got the players in he wanted in the summer, instead of what was left here, trained them, the way he wanted, got them playing a certain way - we'd be top of this league and already promoted.

The form when he took over was near-enough that of Sturrock's tenure. In 20 games time he may still be averaging as crap as he is now though or he may pick the team up and do better, thus raising us up to as good as or better than we were before.

Of course both points of view are purely hypotheses.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, March 31, 2008, 23:01:56
It's not just Swindon, the whole nation has descended into a nightmare realm of negativity. Everybody is so used to constantly being told that everything is shit that we now just accept it and skip straight to the stage where we look for someone to blame.

I blame the tabloids... oh shit.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, March 31, 2008, 23:11:26
Quote from: "flammableBen"
It's not just Swindon, the whole nation has descended into a nightmare realm of negativity. Everybody is so used to constantly being told that everything is shit that we now just accept it and skip straight to the stage where we look for someone to blame.

I blame the tabloids... oh shit.
:soapy tit wank:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: SwindonStevo on Monday, March 31, 2008, 23:13:40
im not a massive fan of Byrne but i thought the football was a lot more positive under him. Malpases record is far worse than Bryne and he had about three games where the takeover was happening and the players didnt get paid to deal with.

the fans will be negative if the football is malpas. simple fucking answer.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, March 31, 2008, 23:16:36
Quote from: "SwindonStevo"
im not a massive fan of Byrne but i thought the football was a lot more positive under him. Malpases record is far worse than Bryne and he had about three games where the takeover was happening and the players didnt get paid to deal with.

the fans will be negative if the football is malpas. simple fucking answer.


I agree about the football. It was equally as ineffective though, if you look at the points gained per game.

If we're going to do the whole 'if he stayed in charge' scenario, we'd have less than 2 points extra under Byrne


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 10:04:34
Quote from: "reeves4england"
Quote from: "SwindonStevo"
when your one win in ten and you need a result you dont play three or more players out of position.

Also play one of your best wingers in central midfield and  then have the nerve to complain about the standard of the crosses coming in....particlary as you also had a guy whos played central midfield all his life out on the right.

i just get the impression we could get relegated this year and some people will still say we have 'been unlucky' and to give him another six months.

If we were to go down I'm pretty sure everybody would be pretty pissed off with Malpas and with the players. The reason some people are being conservative now is because we are not going to get relegated.
This is due to other teams and point deductionS though not because of great managment


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 13:07:27
We may have played games against some of the top sides but this league has shown that anyone can beat anyone on their day as it is so open, so what people are saying is that because we have played "top sides" we should not expect to win those games.

BOLLOCKS

MM has stuck to a formation that has seen JP play in the centre with Easton pushed to the right, neither player have played really well there, surely you play to a system that suits the players you have

On Sat he drops Jack Smith who has been playing reasonably well recently who he knows full well will have to come back into the side for the next 2 games to cover for suspension

1 win in 10 games regardless of the opposition is not a good record

The manager picks the team, the manager picks the tactics the buck stops with the manager.

Maybe Malpas needs to have a look in the mirror and have a good think about things and then come back and try and install some passion and urgency into his players.

I am on record as stating I will judge him at the end of the season, and nothing so fas has changed my opinion of that.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: adje on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 13:33:52
I dont buy all this "managers should instil passion into the players" lark.Passion from players should be a given.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 13:40:02
Quote from: "adje"
I dont buy all this "managers should instil passion into the players" lark.Passion from players should be a given.


Couldn't agree more its like those who say Malpas cant motivate players no one motivates me to do my job so why should they cop out when they have a shit game and blame a manager for not inspiring them.  Personally the fact I was paid to play football in front of thousands of people would be enough to motivate me every game but lets all blame Malpas because the players are clearly doing a great job  :roll:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 13:43:42
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "adje"
I dont buy all this "managers should instil passion into the players" lark.Passion from players should be a given.


Couldn't agree more its like those who say Malpas cant motivate players no one motivates me to do my job so why should they cop out when they have a shit game and blame a manager for not inspiring them.  Personally the fact I was paid to play football in front of thousands of people would be enough to motivate me every game but lets all blame Malpas because the players are clearly doing a great job  :roll:
Ok lets put it another way maybe the manager can demotivate players like maybe taking them out of the squad and putting them back in for no reason or playing them out of position then moaning that no crosses are coming in the box

What do you think?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 13:52:16
I think it I was taken out the squad it would give me the kick up the butt to go in and prove I belonged in the team next time I was given the chance.  As far as playing out of position as long as your in the team thats all that should matter and Commingues has proved this as he put in decent shifts at left back at times.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 14:30:25
I mean Andy Nicholas and Jack smith in particular, it gave smith a kick up the ass then he dropped him to accommodate Vincent for fucksake, that decision alone deserves sacking :wink:


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 14:39:14
Surely if you agruments sake you are losing 2-0 at half time then it is down to the manager to give the team talk and try and motivate and fure up his players to want to go out there play out of the skins to win the game.

Agreed some managers seem to be able to do this and some don't, at times after the way we have played in 2nd halves I wonder if Malpas has sat them down and give them a cuppa and a copy of the Beano to read and sent them back out there  :D


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 14:45:24
Quote from: "Power to people"
Surely if you agruments sake you are losing 2-0 at half time then it is down to the manager to give the team talk and try and motivate and fure up his players to want to go out there play out of the skins to win the game.

Agreed some managers seem to be able to do this and some don't, at times after the way we have played in 2nd halves I wonder if Malpas has sat them down and give them a cuppa and a copy of the Beano to read and sent them back out there  :D


Well some may argue we were 2-0 down away to Tranmere in the first half of the last game and we then got 1 back in the 2nd half and should of got an equaliser, that would suggest he can get the players to fight / play for him, as they did when down to 9 men in the Huddersfield game when we were hanging on for dear life.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 16:11:39
Re. the Easton and McGovern switch, I do find it strange but Easton's scoring goals on the right side, so will Malpas get credit for that? Works both ways.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 16:15:46
scoring goals is irrelivant if you are losing matches.both players would be happier in their original postitions


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 16:19:13
Quote from: "arriba"
scoring goals is irrelivant if you are losing matches.both players would be happier in their original postitions


Who cares whether there happy would they be as effective? arguably McGoverns been cack on the right for a long time and Easton didn't have as much impact in the centre since his return from injury so cant see too much wrong with this switch.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 16:23:35
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
scoring goals is irrelivant if you are losing matches.both players would be happier in their original postitions


Who cares whether there happy would they be as effective? arguably McGoverns been cack on the right for a long time and Easton didn't have as much impact in the centre since his return from injury so cant see too much wrong with this switch.


are you mad?
a happier player will perform better.d mcgovern was our most creative player when out wide, and easton has been consistant all season.if he doesn't win player of the year then he will be robbed of it


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: stfctownenda on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 16:29:02
Quote from: "arriba"
Quote from: "stfctownenda"
Quote from: "arriba"
scoring goals is irrelivant if you are losing matches.both players would be happier in their original postitions


Who cares whether there happy would they be as effective? arguably McGoverns been cack on the right for a long time and Easton didn't have as much impact in the centre since his return from injury so cant see too much wrong with this switch.


are you mad?
a happier player will perform better.d mcgovern was our most creative player when out wide, and easton has been consistant all season.if he doesn't win player of the year then he will be robbed of it


McGovern has been more frustrating and inconsistent than Roberts & Zaboub at times.  Easton didn't look the same in the centre on his return from injury and struggled to make impact, out wide he looks a threat arriving late to McNamees crosses.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 16:35:20
Maurice Malpas
Moriarty Malpas
Moriarty Manatee???

Only one Sirenian can save us now!!!


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: Reeves for King on Thursday, April 3, 2008, 20:55:43
Keep Malpas and let him construct his own team. I didn't want him but he's here, let him show whether he's worth it.

PS out of interest does anyone know how many Sturrock won?


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 3, 2008, 21:21:26
I want us to go 15 games with 1 win, then Malpas could change his name to William G. Stewart. He always seemed scary on fifteen to one, although I bet he was nice in real life.


Title: "Why are we being so negative...?"
Post by: McLovin on Friday, April 4, 2008, 07:38:42
Quote from: "Reeves for King"
Keep Malpas and let him construct his own team. I didn't want him but he's here, let him show whether he's worth it.

PS out of interest does anyone know how many Sturrock won?


I know he's never lost 3 defeats in a row in his career, yet Mo managed it in under a week last week...