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Title: Protests?
Post by: yeo on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 18:22:52
Radio said 20-30, was it?


Title: Re: Protests?
Post by: townfanupnorth on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 18:34:20
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
Radio said 20-30, was it?


Yeah about 30 people, very disappointing, thought there would have been alot more than that, diamandis came to the window soapy tit wank.


Title: Protests?
Post by: yeo on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 18:37:26
I think that proves that its just internet people protesting.That said 10 last week,30 this week who knows....


Title: Protests?
Post by: townfanupnorth on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 18:41:37
We need to have at least 250-500 people behind there ideally, if we got around 1,000 it would be great but can't see it happening TBH.


Title: Protests?
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 18:56:42
About 30 outside today, really could do with many more to make this lot take notice.


Title: Protests?
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 19:39:30
Quote from: "magicroundaboutred"
About 30 outside today, really could do with many more to make this lot take notice.


We made a fair bit of noise though and the songs work well in fairness


Title: Protests?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 19:43:40
i could hear the singing way down shrivvy road near the car garage


Title: Protests?
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 19:51:26
My favorite was the can you pay the CVA song that was quality


Title: Protests?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 19:52:18
30 is a pathetic turn out though(no offence)


Title: Protests?
Post by: glos_robin on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 20:00:42
no actually its quite impressive it depends how you want to see it. These were supporters that personally chose to turn up ......as of yet the trust haven't put their backing behind protests, if they were to organise something then I would imagine you can multiply the 30 by 10 or 15 times


Title: Protests?
Post by: Ben-STFC on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 20:54:56
30 out of 5000? not really impressive.

Maybe more next time.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:11:49
blah blah blah. i see lots of people talking about how awful this board is,then "only" 30 or so hang about afterwards...

if you give a shit pop along

(apart from yeovil who's busy,and brings down the tone of the protest)


Title: Protests?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:13:48
[url]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/th_VIDEO_004.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/?action=view&current=VIDEO_004.flv)[/URL]

[url]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/th_VIDEO_005.jpg (http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/?action=view&current=VIDEO_005.flv)[/URL]


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:13:50
Depends what you mean. If you mean in the game there were very few. After the game there were about 50 (TalkTalk counted). So about 4 times the amount of last week.

Me and Rich were not let into the proper part of the Arkells because we were wearing orange.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Ben-STFC on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:21:02
the first video only lasts a second


Title: Protests?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:22:13
The banner
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/orangebanner.jpg

Outside the Arkells
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/protest1.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/protest2.jpg

Alan the player
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/alan1.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/alan3.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i151/sam_stfc/alan2.jpg


Title: Protests?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:23:21
Quote from: "bennett"
blah blah blah. i see lots of people talking about how awful this board is,then "only" 30 or so hang about afterwards...

if you give a shit pop along

(apart from yeovil who's busy,and brings down the tone of the protest)


Fuck off Bennett.

It's my choice as to whether I protest or not and when I do it.

Doesn't mean I'm not pro consortium (Didn't PE actually call for no vocal demonstrations?).

If you want to demonstrate fine.

But don't try and belittle those who decide not to.

Prick..........


Title: Protests?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:25:57
the orange flag attempt was funny as fuck. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:30:51
Quote from: "herthab"
Quote from: "bennett"
blah blah blah. i see lots of people talking about how awful this board is,then "only" 30 or so hang about afterwards...

if you give a shit pop along

(apart from yeovil who's busy,and brings down the tone of the protest)


Fuck off Bennett.

It's my choice as to whether I protest or not and when I do it.

Doesn't mean I'm not pro consortium (Didn't PE actually call for no vocal demonstrations?).

If you want to demonstrate fine.

But don't try and belittle those who decide not to.

Prick..........


 8)  someone bit hard

seriously...what's the point in hoping that things will magically happen...

it appeared to me a belittling tone to the thread beforehand hence my baiting attempt. 30 is better than 0, it just serves to clarify that there is a hardcore of support for the consortium but mainly to get the buggers out

i love you xx


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:34:14
sam did you blur your pics intentionally to hide people's identities?


Title: Protests?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:35:26
No I'm just a shit camera man  8)


Title: Protests?
Post by: spacey on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:38:24
Quote from: "herthab"


Fuck off Bennett.

It's my choice as to whether I protest or not and when I do it.


so how long are you going to wait? There's a handful of home games 'til the end of the season. You can protest all you want then but there'll be no fucker around to hear you. It's not as if the situation's becoming critical or anything.

pffft!


Title: Protests?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:42:06
I don't hope things will magically happen.

If, or when, the Consortium tell us that they cannot carry on negotiations with the board then I will protest.

At the moment, imo, vocal demonstrations won't achieve anything.

The board KNOW the strength of feeling from spying on forums like this one and having their spies at Trust meetings, etc.

My hope is that the Consortium will oust the current regime by their chosen methods.

But that doesn't mean I'm gonna have a pop at those who choose to demonstrate, it's their choice.

Just as it's mine not to........


Title: Protests?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:44:39
i agree with herthab but i'm less angry.
aaahhh the powers of cider 8)


Title: Protests?
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:48:26
I can see myself on the banner pic  8)


Title: Protests?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:49:39
Quote from: "STFC4LIFE"
I can see myself on the banner pic  8)


You must have fucking good eyesight!


Title: Protests?
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:53:23
I do :D, Na the person I was with had a white coat on, and I can see myself behind him.
On the right of The Nationwide, im in the black, easy to spot.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:55:53
Quote from: "spacey"
Quote from: "herthab"


Fuck off Bennett.

It's my choice as to whether I protest or not and when I do it.


so how long are you going to wait? There's a handful of home games 'til the end of the season. You can protest all you want then but there'll be no fucker around to hear you. It's not as if the situation's becoming critical or anything.

pffft!


i agree with spacey (i hope he was being serious...the pffft makes me a bit worried)

what harm does it do to show them there's a growing support for the consortium to take over and them to fuckay offay?


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 21:58:13
Did the board show their faces today? No.

They are running scared. We can help get rid of them by keeping up the pressure


Title: Protests?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:00:07
I never said it did any harm, I just don't think it's gonna do anything at the moment.

The board know that they're unpopular, but they're not going anywhere.

Not until they're paid to.........


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:02:56
Pay them or stfu then I'm growing ever more tiresome of your unconstructive drivel.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:10:20
again i'm inclined to agree with si...it appears i'm having trouble putting words to my thoughts today

boobs good


Title: Protests?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:11:24
Yep, you're right.

No one else's opinion is worth anything.

Yet another up-his-self arsehole.

I didn't criticse your right to protest, I merely defended my right not to.

But I suppose your way's the only way right?

Even if BP and PE say otherwise.......................


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:12:39
their opinions are worthless


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:15:49
It's not a case of right or wrong.. we protestors are doing something active to get rid of these aresholes form our club. What are you doing? I respect your views 100% but don't piss on our bonfire when we are clearly having an effect on our board. You are clearly being defeatest and may as well bend over backwards and let the board take you up your arse. For all I know you may be that way inclined. I respect your right to bum sex from the board, just don't advertise it here.


Title: Protests?
Post by: spacey on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:22:41
Quote from: "bennett"
i agree with spacey (i hope he was being serious...the pffft makes me a bit worried)


I haven't been this serious since the shop ran out of asparagus cuppa soup! They won't be letting that happen again I can tell you!


Title: Protests?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:23:38
Thanks for your constructive comments si pi.

I don't think I'm being defeatist, I think that the Consortium will eventually wrest control from the Board.

If things haven't moved on in the next two weeks and the Consortium tell us this, then I will probably join you.

Why bring up anal sex? Are you fixated by it? Is it your latent homosexual tendancies surfacing? Do you yearn to be a fudge packer? Is your favourite fantasy being locked in a prison cell with two well hung black man with a penchant for white ass?


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:25:22
Why not wait to next season to protest?


Bum sex is ace Hertha, you should join in. Don't wait another season...


Title: Protests?
Post by: yeo on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:31:12
Im inclined to wait for the nod to be honest.

Mostly because I cant be arsed and find it all a little embarrassing.


Title: Protests?
Post by: yeo on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:33:22
Err not emarrassed by your fine efforts its more id feel stupid standing there singing and stuff.I might turn out at Accie depends if im working and if im drunk mostly.


Title: Protests?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 22:41:05
That pretty much sums up my feelings Yeovil.

But now Si's introduced the possibility of bum sex, I'm even more disinclined.....


Title: Protests?
Post by: TalkTalk on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 23:31:37
I (yes - I) counted 47 people outside the back of the Arkells this afternoon.

Last week it was 13.

After Accy it will be 200.


Title: Protests?
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, February 24, 2007, 23:43:19
More than double the number of last week makes it a decent success I thought.

We gathered, sung a few songs, made ourselves heard and cleared off sharpish. Precisely what needs to be done at the moment.

If people don't want to protest now, later, or ever then that's their perogative but the more the merrier and even if you only have a few minutes to spare then a show of numbers is better than nothing.


Title: Protests?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 00:08:55
Quote from: "STFC4LIFE"
I can see myself on the banner pic  8)


Can you see yourself in any of the video clips? Oh no, thats right, you didn't go :P


Title: Protests?
Post by: STFC4LIFE on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 00:26:45
Quote from: "ibelieveinmrreeves"
Quote from: "STFC4LIFE"
I can see myself on the banner pic  8)


Can you see yourself in any of the video clips? Oh no, thats right, you didn't go :P

I was in the bookies thanks Ian. ;)


Title: Protests?
Post by: Amir on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 02:45:34
I'll join in if we can have a pop at the police.



My initial reaction to protests was very much the same as Herthab's, but some of you have won me over a bit with you're viewpoints(when you're not being self-righteous cunts that is :wink: )


Title: Protests?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 09:29:25
about 40 odd there i reckon! well done to everyone who showed up! you could see the board members looking out and shitting themselves


Title: Protests?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 10:45:53
I myself did not protest, but I think we should remember that this is independent protests . Should the consortium/trust say up the pressure then there will be a significant increase in numbers.


Title: Protests?
Post by: DMR on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 10:59:55
How long did it last?

We left the lounge at about half 5 and everyone was gone.


Title: Protests?
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 11:10:29
About 10 minutes.


Title: Protests?
Post by: DMR on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 11:12:00
I don't want to belittle your efforts but that's crap  :D


Title: Protests?
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 11:15:50
Why? The point is to make ourselves heard, 50ish of us were there for 10 minutes, made ourselves heard - most of the board members came to the window to look out at one point or another - and then went home quietly. No point standing around all night, the idea is to show the board how we feel.

People have buses/trains to catch, places to be etc.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 14:58:40
Nobody was going to come down for a chat though were they and even if they did it would be Mike "what's the problem lads?" Bowden.

I think we let our feelings known. They closed the window facing out from the Arkells, they wanted us to go away but were too busy hiding to face us.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Reeves for King on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 19:41:33
Diamandis is the sort of bloke who couldn't care less whether people protest about him or not. Waste of time. I can't see how it's actually his fault anyway; it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 19:43:41
Where did Bill Power's money go?


Title: Protests?
Post by: Spud on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 19:54:47
Quote from: "simon pieman"
Where did Bill Power's money go?


And the Dennis Wise compensation money?


Title: Protests?
Post by: blinkpip on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 19:58:49
Where did Parkins money go?
Where did Fallons money go?
Where did all that Premiership money go in 1994?  :o


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bonecrusher on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 19:59:19
where did alan young go :shock:


Title: Protests?
Post by: blinkpip on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 20:02:25
Quote from: "Bonecrusher"
where did alan young go :shock:

Sussex nab him.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Reeves for King on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 20:10:56
Paying players that are a wate of money
Stewards
After that who knows.

Does anyone know how much we make on matchdays?
We need a mole. 8)


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bonecrusher on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 20:11:49
Quote from: "Reeves for King"
Paying players that are a wate of money
Stewards
After that who knows.

Does anyone know how much we make on matchdays?
We need a mole. 8)


surely they would damage the pitch


Title: Protests?
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 20:23:29
22 posts of 'comedy' and attempts at humour, i cant wait for you to shit out another nugget of hilarity.  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Protests?
Post by: yeo on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 20:29:15
No need for that.


Title: Protests?
Post by: spacey on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 20:58:59
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
No need for that.


The Heavy Metal boys are taking over! First fatbury now bonecrusher. You should be careful Yeovil, you might look out of your window one day and find them sacrificing goats on your front lawn.


Title: Protests?
Post by: sonic youth on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 21:03:56
Quote from: "Reeves for King"
Diamandis is the sort of bloke who couldn't care less whether people protest about him or not. Waste of time. I can't see how it's actually his fault anyway; it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend.


If you believe that then you're utterly deluded.


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 25, 2007, 21:07:05
Quote from: "Reeves for King"
Paying players that are a wate of money
Stewards
After that who knows.

Does anyone know how much we make on matchdays?
We need a mole. 8)


Oh right I thought you were being serious, now I know you're just on a wind up.


Title: Protests?
Post by: FlashGordon on Saturday, March 3, 2007, 00:52:22
Quote

Reeves for King wrote:
Diamandis is the sort of bloke who couldn't care less whether people protest about him or not. Waste of time. I can't see how it's actually his fault anyway; it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend.


If you believe that then you're utterly deluded.


why is he deluded? Do you know exactly what happened? I am of the opinion it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend too, but now i just wait for an abusive response as i do not share the same opinion as you...


Title: Protests?
Post by: TalkTalk on Saturday, March 3, 2007, 00:54:46
Quote from: "FlashGordon"
now i just wait for an abusive response as i do not share the same opinion as you...

"Abusive response"

Is that ok?


Title: Protests?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, March 3, 2007, 00:56:37
I'm not sure Devlin would want to waste a mates money. But then I've never met the bloke, perhaps he's just like Tails


Title: Protests?
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, March 3, 2007, 02:32:48
Quote from: "FlashGordon"
Quote

Reeves for King wrote:
Diamandis is the sort of bloke who couldn't care less whether people protest about him or not. Waste of time. I can't see how it's actually his fault anyway; it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend.


If you believe that then you're utterly deluded.


why is he deluded? Do you know exactly what happened? I am of the opinion it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend too, but now i just wait for an abusive response as i do not share the same opinion as you...


didn't mark d come on here and say that he never had any control over the finances and everything had to be signed off by the board?


Title: Protests?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 3, 2007, 21:51:55
Quote from: "FlashGordon"
Quote

Reeves for King wrote:
Diamandis is the sort of bloke who couldn't care less whether people protest about him or not. Waste of time. I can't see how it's actually his fault anyway; it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend.


If you believe that then you're utterly deluded.


why is he deluded? Do you know exactly what happened?

Yes - having spoken to all the major players involved in the "overspend" back when all this started (ie September time), I think I do have a pretty good picture of what happened. And I set that out at the meeting we called in Old Railway Museum back in September, which is where all this kicked off, if you remember. The minutes are online on the Trust website at http://www.truststfc.co.uk/meeting_27_09_2006.php. You may also remember that at the time, our version of events was roundly rubbished by the board (remember "there is no rift"). I think events since have more than vindicated what we said that night.

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I am of the opinion it was Devlin that sanctioned the overspend too,

Insofar as there is an "overspend" it refers to items agreed by all the board at the time, with an understanding that some of the additional cost would be underwritten by Bill Power, some by the Wills family. Obviously, when Diamandis fell out with Bill Power and Phil Emmel, that agreement unravelled somewhat, leaving the Wills family to pick up the tab and a scapegoat needed - step forward Mark "still in hospital with his son after they both nearly died in a plane crash" Devlin to carry the can.

Let's look at some of the alleged items in the "overspend" shall we?

1) Wise and Poyet's contracts - both, according to his own boasts, brought in and contracts negotiated by Mike Diamandis. And to be fair, a reasonable "overspend" to make, if we were serious about pushing for promotion
2) Players' bonuses - the win bonuses were left at the same as last season (so probably high-ish for League Two), but now only applied if we are in a play-off position. The rates are the same as the whole board, including Mike Diamandis, were apparently happy with last season - the difference being this season they've had to actually pay win bonuses, whereas last season we didn't win games and got relegated. That might sound like overspend to you, to me it sounds like what should be a a self-financing (because better League position should mean higher gates, hence more revenue which it largely has for most of this season) staff incentive scheme.
3) Players having meals together after training - an innovation Wise introduced in an attempt to bring more professionalism to the squad and bond the team. As opposed to them all fucking off to the pub, for example. Certainly seemed to work under Wise, and at a cost of perhaps 30k, money well spent.
4) Paul Ince - yep, definitely a big spend. Signed long after Mark Devlin had left, contract signed by Sandy Gray one would assume (as Finance Director and Co Secretary) and if you remember a big song and dance about how James Wills had underwritten the amount that went over the 60% wage cap to get League clearance. So if this was such a massive problem, and remember he was signed at a time when the plane crash had already happened and the board had apparently already discovered to their horror that Mark Devlin had somehow gone beserk and sanctioned all manner of ludicrous overspend, why go through with the deal? You simply say, "Sorry Dennis, turns out Mark Devlin was a psycho who was secretly burning fivers in the boardroom and we've got no cash left so you can't bring your mate in".

So, of that alleged overspend, the three big-ticket items (Wise, Poyet and Ince) are all now gone, leaving a self-financing incentive scheme which just sounds like good business sense to incentivise the players to achieve promotion rather than pissing about in mid-table, and meals together after training rather than going out on the piss.

Basically, we're being asked to believe that at some point over the summer, Mark Devlin went totally loco and without the knowledge of the Finance & Admin Manager at the time (Martyn Starnes) or the Finance Director (Sandy Gray) somehow managed to commit the club to hundreds of thousands of pounds of overspend it could not afford. Even if you swallow that (and if you do, I've got a second hand car I'd like to sell you), there's no way he could have slipped it past Mike Diamandis. Given the accounts we've had from the man himself as to what a tight rein he keeps on the finances (and please remember to applaud him for his wonderful management of the club's affairs over the past five years - remember we wouldn't be in the wonderful position we're in, with massive operating losses, a failed CVA we have no hope of paying, relegated and with more chance of growing an extra head each than getting a ground redevlopment underway any time soon were it not for his masteful controls), you'd have to be, well, deluded to believe that all this wasn't done with the full agreement and knowledge of all concerned, including the board and Diamandis.

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 but now i just wait for an abusive response as i do not share the same opinion as you...


Sorry to disappoint. No abuse, but not some random "opinion" based on wild unsubstantiated allegations from people with a proven track record of lying to the fans either. I prefer to rely on
solid evidence before forming my opinion. Hope that helps clear up why sonic might have thought r4e was somewhat off-track.