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7 years

Best news i've heard all day.

He'll be out in 3 then?

Probally, if he isn't killed inside  :twisted:

That news is off the hook

*Snigger*

Like it Pieman  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Oh is this the ugly geezer with the dodgy eye?
Can someone explain to me what he does and stuff because I really don't understand it. Is he a follower of bin laden or something.
 :D  Educate me.

He's certainly a handsome lad....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41305000/jpg/_41305252_hamza203getty.jpg

Sadie, have a read of this article......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4690224.stm

He's been jailed for inciting murder sade. Nasty piece of work who preaches death to the western world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza

Cheers guys.

What a bastard  :evil:  seven years is not long enough.

I'd hate to be the young lady who gets a bit of finger loving off him.  It'd look like a butcher's floor.

He'll probably be extradited to the US upon release though

he'll be out in 18 months for good behaviour. Especially if he uses his hook to help the warden with his game of cats cradle

I'd imagine his hook is rather useful for picking his nose with though.

Or picking those plastic ducks at the funfair.

He may be out early, but like I said he's likely to be extradited not being a proper British citizen and all.

Is he naturalised of just on ILR?

If it's ILR he can have it revoked and sent back to Egypt if the US don't want him.

I'm pretty sure he's Naturalised so he gets full rights the same as everyone else.  Not that I think it matters with extradition and all.

His marriage was a sham and the home office is in the process of removing his citizenship

If he has been naturalised then they still won’t be able to remove his citizenship even if his marriage was a sham.  

Naturalised citizens are classed as full Brits with all of the rights.  That’s why there are so many controls coming in to stop people like hooky slipping the net and leaving the authorities virtually powerless.

I’m sure Blunkett may have still had a go and came up empty handed.

Ministers now have powers to deprive dual nationals of their British nationality if they behave in a way that is "seriously prejudicial" to the UK's vital interest. It is also possible to remove citizenship if it was acquired by deception.

Source: The Telegraph, 2003.

Wiping his arse must be delicate operation!

Finnaly :twisted:

I used to call Hameur Bouazza Abu Hamza because I thought it sounded similar, not to his face or anything though.

Good job he left when he did, someone might've have thought I was preaching hate to the western world   :shock: especially now the real hook handed monsters back in the news

That’s not actually been passed yet chief.  Its part of the immigration, asylum and nationality bill going through the Lords at the moment.  It applies to dual nationality holders only, which Hamza technically isn’t or shouldn't be.  

Egyptians like other nationalities are forced to revoke their first nationality when they take up another.  That said if you know how there are ways and means around this.

It’s unlikely to ever wash unless it’s against someone who has committed a serious act of terrorism.   In a case like Hooky's a half decent lawyer would pull the case to shreds.

If you’re really interested it’s section 53…

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldbills/043/2006043.htm

 :boring:  

It's really not worth the while TBH better off looking at porn...

My housemate told me "that hook bloke got jailed today". I actually thought he meant Peter...

http://www.urb.com/massv/photos/coachella_09f.jpg

Should never have been jailed.

Hamza and Griffin are the same as far as im concerened and if Griffin was cleared then Hamza should of been as well.

Yeah but Hamza's got a hook, and I think Hamza's preachings were of more intent to incite hatred than Griffin's, but the point is where do you draw the line? Both are cocks in my opinion

That's a bit like saying if one murderer has been freed on a dodgy appeal, we should let them all out. Just cos Griffin didn't get what he deserved doesn't make Hamza any less guilty. I still like my idea of putting both of them in a pit and making them fight it out - then bang up the survivor.

Oh and he's unlikely to be out in 3 years - the US want to question him over organising terrorist training camps, so I'd guess when his sentence is up here, it'll be out of Pentonville, straight down to Heathrow then a touch of the old extraordinary rendition.

I sort of agree, as soon as people start getting jailed for stuff they are saying then we are living in a bit of a dodgy climate.

I'd be up for arresting the guy if he'd been organising an underground terrorist cell, but from what I can tell he's just been spouting slogans out and has ended up a scape goat for the british media.

All this is doing is taking out someone who's easy to keep an eye on for intellagence work, and prooving to a lot of people that what he's been saying is right.

I just re-read that and it's really badly written, sorry, i hope my point get's across

ffs...the only thing that fucks me off is that us taxpayers will now have to stump(no pun intended) up the money to keep him in comfort whilst in jail. :evil:

anyone for the re-introduction of capital punishment?

I'd happily press the button/inject the poison/kick the stool for that rag headed scumbag.

Would cost the taxpayer more in the long run though - with all the lawyer fees and everything.

Do the lawyers as well, they're just as bad.

Yes ,without hesitation

Quite Spuddy,

Not only will we paying to keep him now, we'll have to provide him with Halal meals and a toilet that doesn't face Mecca.  

All this on top of the tens of thousands spent proscecuting him, the benefits that his wife and (approx) 12 children will still receive, the £2500 per month that we've paid the Hamza family in benefits since their arrival in this country over a decade ago, and I presume that the family will still be able to keep the 7 seater people carrier so very kindly donated to them by the taxpaying British public.

it makes me want to weep  :cry:

You're quite right of course, as part of his punishment we should purposefuly offend his and others religious beliefs and make his family suffer aswell, I'm sure those kids must be guilty of something.

All this money that us decent hardworking taxpayers fork out for the likes Hamza and other baby eating foreigners really makes my blood boil.If we're not careful thousands of decent work avoiding white British scum will be left high and dry without the single mother community centres and drug addict relapse organisations that normally look after them.

The man is a criminal, he forwent his rights when he started preaching hatred towards those that offered him shelter and protection.

As for his family they should be deported as not one of them has contributed to this country.  They have taken and given nothing.

Who mentioned religion?

Isn't he married to an English women, which menas his kids are English? or did I dream that/make it up?

He's married to a compost heap, his children live undergound and feed on kittens and puppies.

He married a British woman to get into the country.

Her story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=376521&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

and as a beer bottle opener :shock:

Fuck yeah. Those kids have paid fuck all in taxes, by the time I was 16 I'd  been working down a coal mine for 8 years. I paid double taxes as well, just to help the country out.

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sweet fuck all to do with it flammable.
They were un-invited and have taken but not given.
How do you think these kids are going to feel now eh?  Daddies gone to prison because the evil British people and their Islamophic politicians hate all Islam.  These kids are going to hate the state now.  The next set of suicide bombers has just been recruited.

Well, let's bang the kids up as well, eh? Save the expense of a trial in a few years or any of that nonsense - we'll just convict the kids on the basis of the sins of the father. Sweet Jesus!

I said deport not imprison. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

If you are more worried about a few quids worth of tax than some kids welfare just because of what their father has said/believies in/is from then you are a twat.

Send him to America where he is wanted, he'll get the death penlaty there.

Oh and make sure you feed him Bacon Sarnies as his last meal.  :wink:

I know what you said, I was trying to point out how ludicrous you were being by taking your "logic" on a stage.

No you are twat.

I'm worried about the next generation of home grown suicide bombers doing exactly the same this as a group of other home grown suicide bombers did on 7th July 2005, remeber it?

As for the tax, why should I pay for them?  I want money to go into hospitals or education not into the pockets of leeches like that.

 :roll:

I think you mentioned religion actually ironside. Not that I'm picking a fight or anything  :wink:

Unless you were on about mecca bingo, but I don't think Hamza likes that. He would find it hard to mark his card  :o

He could put the Spongey bit of the dabber on the end of his hook, problem solved.

fair enough, I said Mecca

He wouldn't be allowed to go to the Bingo though, Allah would cast him into the fiery pits of hell.

PaulD

My logic as oppossed to yours? You sit back, do nothing and try to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Your a fucking genius.

Not being a bingo expert I wouldn't know that. I thought you would use pens  :|

Maybe we should kick all muslims out of our country?

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You sicken me.

To be perfectly honest Flammable, you may be on to something there.

Hardly, I'm all for cops etc cracking down hard on extremists. And bang em up when caught. I just think then taking it out on innocent kids is perhaps going just a tad too far. Screaming old liberal that I am.

Cripes. Whatever next?! Barney Sumner to get sent to Guantanamo for dodgy dancing?

I thought your arguments were gonna progress to that so I thought I'd speed it up a bit.  Of course where would we send them? Nearly all of them are british citizens (infact I'm pretty sure more people goto mosques each week than church), we'd probably have to round them up into some sort of camps until a suitable location was found. Cost a bit though, we better get them to do some labour while they are there.

How very clever you are.

May I suggest that we simply send them back to their country of origin?  That way we don't have to "keep" them anywhere, they simply get on plane/boat and go away.

About the British Citizen thing. It's worthless nowadays. If you buy enough boxes of cornflakes and collect the tokens, the British Gowvernment will give you a passport.  The fact that person has citizenship is also irrelivent.  The lads who carried out the 7/7 bombings had citizenship and some were even born here.  Just goes to prove that their loyalty was with Islam and not Britain.

I aslo wonder how you will react in a few years time when Sharia Law is incorporated into the British legal system.  An action by you that at the moment is perfectly legal and acceptable in British Law and society as whole, could be against Sharia Law.  What will you do then fireboy?  Tell them to fuck off or take the stoning that will be dished out by the Muslims?

Aren't a significant number of those convicted of terrorist acts relating to the irish conflicts of British citizenship too.  Are they also more loyal to their cause/denomination than their nation, where can we send them too?

Over history massive numbers of our population originate from different nations and have moved here and settled, it's how countries develop and/or expand.  We can't kick out people born in this country because people of the same family heritage or religion as them choose to break the law.

el duque, I'd send them all to Guantanamo, purely for collaborating with the bird from the Scissor Sister...

What?! Even that bird who used to play the keyboards?

Thankfully (by the sounds of it) I have never heard the Scissor Sisters collaboration. Actually, I don't think that I've heard anything by the Scissor Sisters.

You Jammy Git!, most over 'fucking' rated group ever.  :evil:

You have to be very careful when comparing the Ulster situation with the Islamic situation as they are two very different beasts with very different goals.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the vast majority of those NI terrorists are now walking the streets as free men.  Don't forget that the government did a deal with the terrorists.

I disagree about kicking them out.  It seems entirely reasonable to me.  They are not invited and not wanted, they don't make any positive contributions financially or socially. They worship a book which is a manual for conquest, institutionalises slavery, rape and paedophilia, which discriminates against women (even resorting to genital mutilation) and teaches that anyone who isn't a Muslim is a second class citizen to "used" or "abused" as the followers of Allah decide.

Let me put it this way. I'm not religious in way so have no intention of converting to Islam so where soes that leave me? Sold into slavery? abused by the followers of Allah for the rest of my life? not allowed any rights by my Muslim oversee'rs?  Or should I stand here today and say that if it's gonna happen, I'm going to fight it?

About the "massive numbers" issue. I've gone into this before, suffice to say that the numbers are absolutely miniscule when compared to the level of immigration over the last ten years.  They have also up until 1945 almost always been of white christian european decent.  That makes them very much like the normal occupants of this country, white christian europeans.  They have also had the advantage of being so small in number that don't make a massive impact in the social make up of the country and therefore find it easier to assimilate into public life whilst still retaining ther religious and cultural identities at home, if they wish to do so.

That aint whats happening now though is it? move over everyone, the Mad Mullah's want your land and they'll step on you to get it.

Fair enough, that's about the most sensible thing you've said on this topic, I'm no expert I just personally feel that if someone hasn't committed a crime and is here legally, as judged by the british justice system then they can carry on as they like.  If or when they commit a crime they need to be dealt with, but having lived in a multicultral area like Birmingham for 4 years I have no problem with these people doing what they do, whether they are Moslem, Hindu, Sikh or whatever.  Like most of us are considered Christians (irrespective of whther we attend church or not) not all people of any religion are as extreme as others, many of these things come down to the interpretation of things.  I'm pretty sure some translations of the bible could be interpretted similarly against non-Christians.

The cunt should be fucking extradited let the yanks deal with the cunt (i.e. torture)

Fair point but it gets very confusing when people start twisting meanings etc.  I still maintain that they are not here legally however they don't APPEAR at this stage TO HAve committed a crime (although they supported their Dad throughout his programme of hatred, thats enough in my mind)

The problem isn't the hindu's/sikhs/buddists/christian/scientologists etc etc.  The problem is Islam and its teachings.  The comparison between the Koran and the Bible is interesting because the bible has been "edited" over the last 2000 years and its undesirable apsects removed. The Christianity taught in the west today is a far cry from that which was taught 1500 years ago.  The Koran is in its original form.  It's what "god" says.  mohammed's hadiths don't help either.  He starts of all nice and co operative when he's only got a few followers, little money and power and is surrounded by tribes of Jews etc.  However a decade or so later when he's established himself and his band of followers and he has some power, the tone of the hadiths change from friendly co-operation to outright hostility and the institutionalision of the things I mentioned earlier.  This is where we are today.  Wherever there are Muslims there are conflicts and that is fact.

They've all been nice and co-operative up until 5 years ago. Why? because there wasnt enough of them in the country to make an impact.  Now there's millions of them (some of whom are the lowest of the already low) and now they're starting to throw their weight around and make unreasonable demands of the rest of us.

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All of spacey's posts in this thread are pure genius.

Erm, Griffin is talking in his own country and is not talking about widespread murder.

 :beers:

BNP + Nick Griffin = peacuful political solution.
Abu Hamza = If you dont convert to Islam then you die.


Your absolutely spot on Dave.

Yeovil, you should know better than that.

Have you read the koran? I'd like to know a bit more about its teachings.

I have only read the hadiths.

I'm sure you can find a good website if you look. Be careful though, you might end up finding yourself on some Mad Mullahs website.

I've read The Koran.There's this mental bit where the kid's in this maze and some statues come to life and start chasing him................................oh no wait a bit, that's The Shining.

 This hawk swoops down and........no that's Watership down.

The Hadiths are the equivalent of the Old Testament which is comparable in content and context.  If you take them at face value you’re either a bit of a spaz or looking for something to fill a void.

The fact that both Hook and the BNP take the same subtext at face value and quote it to their own ends is ace.   8)

If you want to study the Hadiths properly and understand them as they are written then even for practising Muslims it’s a Mosque job.

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Wrong

The Hadiths are not the equavalent of the old testament.  In the eyes of Muslims, the Koran is in fact the final chapter of the bible and therefore supercedes both the Old and New testament.

The Hadiths are the teachings of the prophet mohammed a direct emmissary from Allah (His representative on earth if you like).

thank you.........

Hold up I thought his marriage was supposed to be a sham?

Surely there's a bit of inconsistency here?

He's remarried to a walking tent and has now bred like a cockroach

If they made it into a film I'd probably watch it.Maybe have Will Smith as Allah, with Eddie Murphy as his wise-cracking sidekick.... you know, lighten it up a bit.

Fuck me didn't Sonic ban this Ironside cunt the last time he decided to come over here and try talking to grown ups rather than impressing the 13 year old chavs on this is with his "look at me I'm so hard I'm in the BNP act"

membership card arrived yet has it IS or is it still "in the post"


Will you please FUCK OFF you small minded nazi!

 Allah = Morgan Freeman (He's already done God in Bruce Almighty so has the experience)

The Prophet Mohammed = Eddie Murphy (only a comedian could do the role justice.  Richard Pryor would have been my first choice but I think he's currently dead or very near dead now)

any small pre-pubescent female - Mohammeds lover Aisha

any non-muslims - Slaves/extras

Women in general - who cares, they'll all be wearing bags over their heads anyway!

Featuring "Gorgeous" George Galloway, Saddam Hussain and the Littlest Hobo.

Of course Allah would only be a voice part as we wouldn't be allowed to actually depict an image of him (gay or what?!?)

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Look sweetheart,

why dont you just take me up on the offer to meet and discuss this face to face ?

If you'd have kept up on the other site you'd know I'm fully paid up.

Now fuck off or give me kiss.

Incidentally how far back do you go with this "country of origin" bollocks?

One generation? - Still going to be a few to many brown faces around for your comfort I would of thought

Two? - Still not enough really loads of 3rd and 4th generation asian kids around here.

Five generations - Oh fuck me we've lost the royal family - never mind bunch of greco-german mongrel bastards - oh and Portillo, and Boris Johnston, half the England team, a chunk of the Swindon team,

Fuck it lets not bugger about - a thousand generations, maybe 1200 to be on the safe side - Oh dear we're all in west africa, and it's a bit fucking crowded

Knob.

shut up.

you've made 4 posts and now telling someone to fuck off.

he is putting his point accross which is what a forum is all about.

I love you Lumposhit  :soapy tit wank: You say all this as if it would be a BAD thing!

oh, and that'd be East Africa anyway.

I'll admit I can't boast the sort of life that allows me to place 3-5000 posts on a forum. But I've a few more than 4. New machine, new ISP, new username, which isn't really that different to the last one.

Even our monobrowed nazi friend's managed to twig to that one, but he has the advantage of a lengthy conversation over on this is where he tried to persuade me that the BNP were just a bunch of sweet nationalist romantics disturbed at the threat to our national culture, big big morris dancing fan that Griffin bloke, and not racist in any way.

Except for wanting all the black and brown people to fuck off and die of course.

He has the right to come on here and say what he likes. And what he like is a bit of racist BNP propaganda. Lap it up if you like he'll be trying to recruit you next.

But 4 posts, 40 or 40,000 I can also say what I like and that is

FUCK OFF YOU FACIST CUNT!

That's a fair point.

Good thing though? Not really I'd rather stay here thanks

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please let me kiss you you big gay bear  :soapy tit wank:

What was the verdict of the jury in court last week Lumpy?

I'll tell you shall I?  NOT GUILTY.

That means that the 12 (actually it was 11 because someone went home ill) men and women of the jury have said that

1) The BNP has a legitimate message.
2) The language used to convey their message is not racist.

I know you fuckwits over on the left don't like to hear it but its a fact.  A fact your going to have to put up with.

Finally, I beg you on both knees, please call me a racist to my face and see what happens to yours. :cry:

Haha so we get the real truth then Lumpy?

you'd rather stay here than "go home" is that right. :soapy tit wank:

Why would you be so offended at being called a racist that you would smack someone Ironside? That dosnt make any sense.

I dont subscibe to any of your far right views, but if someone called me a racist I wouldnt really give a fuck to be honest

He can say what the fuck he likes, and there are plenty on here who sympathise with much of what Kojaks saying.

Ooooh the big bad internet fuck off!

its more of an excuse piemonte.
I've got to have a better reason than just wanting to punch the fuckers lights out for punching the fuckers lights out if you catch my drift. :wink:

That’s not what I said, not that it’s right anyway!

If you can find me a Muslim that believes the Koran is the final chapter of the bible I’ll give you a hundred quid here and now.   :D  

Islam recognises some of the passages in the bible and hence believes the Koran replaces some of the content.  But it’s a million miles from calling it the ‘final chapter’.

But you’ve managed to get the wrong end of the stick anyway.  

The point is bar extremists (from both ends of the spectrum it appears  :wink: ) the works of the Hadiths are not viewed by the majority as the word of ‘god’ and are not seen to be taken at literal value.  Bit like the Old Testament.

Dazzza

You are right to a certain extent in that Islam recognises certain sections of the bible, in fact it recognises virtually the whole of the Old Testament and sections of the New.  

The Koran teaches that Islam is the continued faithful religion in the same line as the Prophets who were before Muhammad:

The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah ... and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (42:13 AYA).

The result of this view is that the scriptures given by these Prophets are considered to be genuine scriptures from God: But say, "We (Muslims) believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you (Jews & Christians); our Allah and your Allah is One" (29:46 AYA).

In the Qur'an there are many references to the Jewish and Christian Holy Books. In fact the Qur'an addresses Christians and Jews in terms of the Book: O People of the Book! (5:68 AYA).

To me that says that what happens after muhammeds arrival supercedes what went before.  Many Muslims I know actually believe that the Koran is the "final" chapter (I say final because I dont know if there will be "fourth" chapter)  There are many quotes from the Koran supporting this.

I also didn't say that the Hadiths are viewed as the word of God.  The Koran is viewed as the word of God (see above), the Hadiths are Muhammeds spin on things if you like. He is meant to be God's representative on earth.  His interpretation and the teachings found in the Hadiths provide guidance for Muslims.  Hence all the death threats etc.  

How do Muslims know that the Koran wasnt actually written by muhammed himself?

If the Koran is a continuation of the previous "books" why are it's teachings so very different?

All this is theological stuff  and doesnt change the fact that Islam is full of nutters who hate everything we are and believe in.

So let me get this right Dazzza, your implying that an organisation of Islamic extremists, like Hamas for example, has an equivalent and opposite on the other side of the spectrum, namely the BNP?

Hamas is a terrosist organisation and has been responsible for dozens of suicide bombings in Israel and despite their democratic election in Palestine, have refused to denounce terrorism so far.  Also I have to wonder why the Palestinians voted for a terrorist organisation to represnt them, couldn't have something to do with the teachings of a certain religion could it?

The BNP is peaceful political party who wish to resolve their grievences democratically.

Where is the common ground in that?

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/muslims.jpg

To be fair chief I don’t disagree with most of that but the offer still stands if you can find me a Muslim that sees the Koran as a “continuation” of the bible then I’ll give you that hundred quid.

At the end of the day its religion and nothing is going to change the fact that it’s all bollocks.  Well at least to me it is.

That said the Hadiths are nearly as dearly loved by the likes of the BNP as they are by the terrorists.  No common or garden Muslim buys into these texts at literal value and it’s all a bit of a hoot that the only people that do actually do buy into it all are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

In short it’s bollocks you don’t take the Hadiths at face value unless you’re a bit of a spazz or in a lot of cases looking to moralise/rationalise Islam to meet your own ends.  

Not sure where the Hamas stuff has come from but if you’re looking for a good British polar opposite to the BNP then have a gander here bud…

http://www.respectcoalition.org/

Now purr George like the big pussy you are….

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as you can imagine, I dont keep one to hand Dazzza  :soapy tit wank:

I don't give shit about religion either but if I was forced to make a choice it'd be for Christianity any day.

i see what your getting at Dazzza.  Your saying that your "common" or "garden" Muslim doesn't hold a much sway by the Hadiths.   That may be the truth or alternatively it could be what they are telling you.  Islam has a history of infiltration and striking when the numbers are up and they think they can win. I cant be arsed to dig out the details that show they are taught to be passive until the time is right.  The time is almost right.

I just don't trust them its as simple as that.

The reason I gave Hamas as an example is that you were implying that the BNP is "extremist" and they are the opposite of the Muslim fundamentalists we see on TV.  I was showing you that we are nowhere near as "extreme" as Hamas.

As for "gorgeous George" I don't know whether to laugh/cry/light my spliff/get another beer/slit my wrists or go and watch telly.

You should do I keep three in the fridge.    :mrgreen:

This thread is why ironside should be be welcomed on TEF.

I dont agree with what he says but  at least his rants are intelligent and he gets peoples blood up.

Ironside I salute you!

(it has to be better than 'name the song that best sums up how you feel about Swindon predicament' :x  or what ever it was...........).

Certainly managed to wind me up a bit earlier. It was good though, nought wrong with a bit of healthy debate.

seconded.

it's been a good read and valid points from both sides but i'm still none the wiser as to whats going on.

did peter pan defeat the hook??? :?

No it wasn't. It was not guilty on two of the four counts and failed to reach a verdict on the other two for which both Griffin and Collett will be facing retrial.


It means nothing of the sort - all it means is that the Crown failed to present sufficient evidence to convince the jury that Griffin intended to incite racial hatred on the specific occasions in question. Which is quite different from the ringing endorsement of the BNP "message" you imply.

However since you set such store by court verdicts, presumably you accept then that Griffin's prior conviction for inciting racial hatred in 98 means he is a racist toe-rag? I won't go through the rest of the BNP leadership cardre's convictions here again (it was done last week in the thread on Griffin's acquittal if you need your memory refreshing on the sorry parade of criminals who are leading you to your White Aryan Glory), but again by the same logic if you view this acquittal as being a reflection on the BNP as a whole, you'd have to accept that that much longer list of convictions can also be taken in the same way. In which case they're a party of rapists, wannabe terrorists, bombers, drug dealers, hooligans, racists and thugs - in fact exactly the kind of people the BNP's always telling us they're going to rid the country of with their tough law'n'order policy. Makes the Lib Dems look clean by comparison!


Now that sounds more like the BNP message we're all more familiar with.

Can't believe what happened to my thread!  :o

1)Not guilty is not guilty. the CPS will see sense that this state sponsored persecution of New Labour political oppononents is not in the public interest.  They will drop the remaining charges, there will be no retrial.

2) Would you like me to post up a list detailing the criminals that have been in power in both Conservative & New Labour administrations?  I can if you want and it's far, far longer than any list relating to the BNP.  Looks like you've been reading the mainstream press again and that makes you a MUG.  Oh and half of the people listed by Lumposhit in that thread are not connected with the party anymore and John Tyndall is dead for fuck sake.  I bet your whiter than white though Paul aren't you, never so much as ticking off by a policeman eh? Totally pathetic really, Lumposhit tried it in Thisis and our local anti-white racist Andy Newman even got it printed in the adver, despite the fact that the list contains dead people and people who have been kicked out of the party already.  Is this ignorance or just a dirty smear trick?

3) Have you actually seen the speech that Nick has been prosecuted for? watch it and then go and compare it to the speeches of Abu Hamza please, then decide who's over the top & who isn't.

4) I dont hate black people (every family should own one :wink: ) seriously, politicians and pricks like you Paul, are the problem, you cant see the wood for the trees.  You think you are doing good but you only manage to make the situation worse you are a fool and an ignorant one at that.

5) would rather I gave the anti-white racist a kiss instead of punching him? I'll give you a big cuddle as well if you want
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Sure every political party has some crims, but for its size compared to the mainstream party the BNP has more than its fair share of thugs and criminals, and at a high level. You try and make out they've all been chucked out or died, but Nick Griffin and Tony "Mad Bomber" Lecomber are still right at the very top of the party. Call me picky, but that worries me in a political party trying to claim it's fit to run the country, especially when one of it's big claims is to be a party of law and order, yet its riddled with criminality.

How does reading the mainstream press make me a mug? Should I restrict myself solely to "White Supremacist Monthly" or something. Makes you blinkered and living in a fantasy world more like.

I have seen Griffin's speech actually - it was reprehensible and wildly racist. Sure it wasn't as bad as Hamza's vile rantings but that's not really much of a claim is it now? Bit like being an ordinary rapist instead of a paedo.

Nice to see you go straight into personal abuse as soon as somone challenges the respectable front - the civilised veneer's a bit thin isn't it?

I'll pass on the cuddle if you don't mind.

So let me get this right then, you think that there are more criminals per head of population in the BNP than other political parties.  What facts do you have to back this up Paul?  Lay the eveidence in front of me and I'll listen. All I can see at the moment is you repeating the same tired old lies that I've heard time and time again without backing it up with evidence.  I guarantee you that the list of criminals is far longer your Lib/Lab/Con and in addittion most of the crimes far worse.  remember some bloke called Tony Blair? Think he lied to the British public, the Houses of Parliament and took us into an illegal war, some people would call him a war criminal.

Watching the mainstream media does indeed make you a mug. Why? because they lie to you day in and day out.  Some people are happy to live in ignorance Paul, some people don't want to know the truth because they cant handle it. It upsets their cosy little view of the world, they just go along with what the likes of the BBC tell them.  That is why you are an ignorant mug.

So you think Nick's speech was wildly racist?  The Morley TH one on the BNP's website?  That, my friendly little fuckwit, was one of the NOT GUILTY VERDICTS   :soapy tit wank:
Only a bleeding heart white liberal like yourself would call it racist, christ even the Muslim on the jury voted not guilty !!! :roll:

Don't you think its strange that the Labour government are persecuting Nick Griffin for having a legitimate opinion and calling for a political solution, but are happy to let Muslims calling for mass murder on westerners to walk the streets of London? Walking down the road yelling "freedom, go to hell"? No wonder nobody likes Mulsims and they like Blair and his government even less.  Anyone would think that they're supporting terrorists they been behaving over the last few weeks and months.  Its state persecution of political opponents, just like you saw during the Cold War in the Eastern Block.

At the end of the day Paul Muslims don't need people like you to fight their battles for them, they're big enough to have worked out how to make suicide bombers do the job for them.  You don't do yourself or the Muslims any favours coming and and attacking the BNP do you?  Perhaps you should find a website run by Muslims for Muslims and go and post on there where I'm sure youd find plenty of support for your views (that is after they've forced you to convert of course)

What personal abuse? Lumposhit is just that, a lump of shit. I dont like him and he doesn't like me, so fucking what?  

I know you'll give up and go away soon Paul because the simple fact of the matter is that your almost at the end of your reasoned arguement and will have nothing sensible to say in the very near future, then, like all the Left wing Fascists, you'll crawl back under your rock. :cry:

 
Not comfortable with any views that don't conform to your white aryan view of the world?

Yep, the stuff I saw on the telly was, in my opinion, racist. Strangely I don't make a habit of perusing the propaganda on the BNP website that often


He wasn't acquitted of racism - he was acquitted of inciting racial hatred. And it's hardly a finding of fact on the content of the speech. Now would you like to answer the question I originally posed - if you set so much store by this jury's (partial) verdict, do you set as much by that of the jury that convicted him on the same charges in 1998?



No I was referring to you calling me a "prick", a "fuckwit", a "Left-wing fascist" (WTF?) for daring to disagree with you. Rational debate? But as you seem to think that's the way to conduct debate, I hope you won't mind me calling you a knuckle-dragging Nazi gobshite.


.... you're boring and ran out of reasoned arguments about three posts ago. Plus I've got work to do - someone's got to pay taxes to pay for your giro.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I agree get back to emptying your bins, Your boring.

I'm right and your wrong and the next time I see you I will give you a great big kiss, whether you like it or not.

 :soapy tit wank:

I think all gays should be rounded up and shot up the arse with a shotgun

I have to say, i am a massive fan of Paul D's posts, not just here, but in other posts and other forums too. Makes the day pass quicker.


As do big, neverending arguements. Ace.

 :D

I agree.If Kojak feels that he must persist with his puddle jumping tendencies then might I suggest that he does it behind closed doors, with the curtains drawn and all the lights turned out.All this men kissing and stuff, it's political correctness gone mad on acid :x before you know it we'll all be dead from some horrible arse disorder.Suicide bombers, Suicide bummers more like :x

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I only wanted to join in with all the gayness because I thought that was what all the lefties did.

Town_End_Fag
Lumposhit
Jaanailovewogscock
and now PaulineD

Lucky I'm not a Muslim eh? otherwise i'd be calling for them all to be stoned to death.