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Devlin said that he had a look at the fans forums and was shocked by the criticism she has recieved. And to be fair some of it has been well out of order (if only in football fan jest and exasperation that this is now the figure head of our club).

So Il put it in language that Mark can understand. Sandy Gray is NEVER  EVER  Chief Executive material in a real business environment. He said she does a lot of work, but thats like saying Tesco's most prolific shelf stacker should be the director. The pauses, the mumbling, the missing the point, its awful. You need that quality, no amount of public relations courses will give that to Gray. No one will ever believe that she is competant and intelligent after hearing her speak, its fingers down a black board cringeworthyness.

So lets not FUCK about!!!! We dont have the time. Its not a sexist thing, or a beauty contest. Mark Devlin is now Chief Executive. He's got the respect of everyone who hears him speak, he can take us places.

And fair play to the bloke who came out and said we need a chairman who will lead from the front. I felt sorry for Mike Spearman next to him, he was the one who tried the whole Carson for chairman thing. Mike Spearman is a top top bloke and was a great chairman for us and a proper loyal fan. I just hope Mike doesnt feel bad, cos at least he tried something.

She has trouble putting sentances together ffs  :?

Devlin, if you're listening, grab this fucking club by the horns and turn it back into the play-off challenging side you promoted in 2003/2004.  Sandy Gray should never be allowed anyway near a microphone in front of the public, and her business interests are dubious to say the least.  Currently, I am embarrassed to state the club I support, with the directors, the manager and the players being seemingly more interested in keeping the wage bill under control than results on the pitch.  The situation we find ourselves in is fucking rediculous, financial belt or no financial restrictions.

Sort it out.

Hang on a minute gentlemen ! What makes you so qualified to say that Sandy Gray is not Chief Exec material ? Do you know what a Chief Exec does ? Let me help. Generally, a Chief Exec does the following:

LEADER
· Advises the Board
· Advocates / promotes organization and stakeholder change related to organization mission
· Supports motivation of employees in organization products/programs and operations

VISIONARY / INFORMATION BEARER
· Ensures staff and Board have sufficient and up-to-date information
· Looks to the future for change opportunities
· Interfaces between Board and employees
· Interfaces between organization and community

DECISION MAKER
· Formulates policies and planning recommendations to the Board
· Decides or guides courses of action in operations by staff

MANAGER
· Oversees operations of organization
· Implements plans
· Manages human resources of organization
· Manages financial and physical resources

BOARD DEVELOPER
· Assists in the selection and evaluation of board members
· Makes recommendations, supports Board during orientation and self-evaluation
· Supports Board's evaluation of Chief Executive

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but you are judging the woman on the fact that she has a speech impediment and does not appear to be a good speaker. What is she like in the other aspects of her job ? Do you have insight into that ?

NMH

Oh do fuck off. Hows about number 1 for Chief Exec - you inspire confidence and have the respect of the people below you? When she was asked how much we got for Sam Parkin last night she said 'some money'. Everyone just did this nervous laugh 'wahey' thing taking the piss. She also admitted that they want a new stadium but have got no real plans to do anything about it. The Trust asked her if she had consulted the athletics track and the cricket club and guess what the answer was. But the trust had got hold of them.

And she forgot to calculate the VAT last april, for which we almost went under.

So yes I am judging Sandy Gray. AND NO SHE AINT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!

Nice cut and paste BTW.  :roll:

Sandy Gray would not be in a job in any other job after that VAT error.  First thing I was taught in accountancy was you have ledgers and guess what one of them was....a VAT ledger.  You charge the 17.5% and put it a side, its a joke she missed it!

It said it all when someone said

'my mate now wants to come back now King has gone, however he was told he either had to pay the full 360 for his season ticket or wait till Christmas to get a half season ticket'

Gray responded with....along the lines of.....its the ticket guys fault, we will sell season tickets to anyone anytime...

yeah that wasnt the point, it was the fact he'll have to shell out the full 360 despite the fact we're 5 matches in at home :roll:

I cant really comment on what she does in the back ground, but sadly a public speaker she is not. If she does all this supposed fantastic work in the background leave her there, because as its been mentioned she doesnt fill me with confidence.

He shouldn't have been an idiot stay-away fan then.  Serves him right. :x

considering the target was 4,000 season tickets and we have about 2,500 the club shouldnt be over fussy really.

I'd charge him more for damaging the club by staying away... :wink:

I'd welcome him back with open arms and charge him less!

That's why you aren't in charge.

........far be it for us to think of getting extra fans in, terrible.

that bloke obviously isn't a fan if he can boycott his club just because he doesn't like the little fat bald bloke picking the team.

Thats not the point though, he wants to come back and we arent in a position where we can pick and choose our supports.

He wants a season ticket, so bloody well give him one. At least then he has paid a massive wad of cash upfront. If he wants to boycott again who cares we have his cash.

I just think its a bit harsh he is charged the full £360 seen as we are 5 games in. Each game worth around £15.66 a game. That means 5 games is worth £78.26. This should be taken off the season ticket prices and he should only be charged £281.74

I agree with both of you :|

A CEO also has to portray an image of clarity, confidence, strength and direction to the outside world. This is particularily true of a football club when a lot of time is spent try to attract people, be it media, fans or investors.

I'm sorry but even if she is better than Mark D at getting us to where we want to be, she isn't being taken seriously, portrays little knowledge of the business or the nature of its fans.

In short , image is part of the job spec of a football club CEO (IMHO). She can't cut it.  Contrast to Mark Devlin, who didn't put any meat into yesterdays answers but at least does well all of the things Sandy fails in.

If Sandy must be CEO, FFS let devlin do the talking from now on.

Well, my impression of Mr Devlin is that he comes across as a bit of a 'wide boy'. I would say that he is probably a good salesman - but I wouldn't buy a used car from him ! I agree that Ms Gray is not a good public speaker, however, I don't know enough about other aspects of her work to say whether she is doing a good job behind the scenes or not.

That, basically, was the point of my previous post.

NMH

P.S. Yes it was a cut and paste to highlight. I did it to show that there were other aspects to the job, other than being a spokesperson.

PPS. Spencer: Thanks for telling me to FO in the first sentence. It made me cover behind my desk for hours !

So because Devlin's a decent blagger he makes a good CEO.

I don't necessarily like Sandy Gray, especially when she's in the team photo, but she does come in for some unjust criticism from some quarters.

Quite, but I feel that the public speaking is a major part of the role and if she can't do that then she shouldnt be in that rol.

I still want to know if she genuinely accidently forgot the VAT (incompetance) or accidently on purpose forgot to pay the VAT  (based on risk analysis).



Well no of course not, but perception is part of the battle. I can only base my view on what I hear, which of course may be hearsay and half truths. But she has been in the media wabblibng on about sitting down, admits to not knowing about football, 'forgets' to pay the VAT and can't talk in public and *seems* incompitant because of it.

As I said, if she is doing a good job long may it continue. But remove her from the customer facing role.

That was my reaction to your post so thats what you got! Id say the same thing to anyone who produced that answer in the CGH on a saturday afternoon. Full of shit I aint.

You were basically telling me that I cant judge her (not as a person, but as a professional). But I can judge and I have.

SG may be a very competent paper pusher for all we know, but the VAT debacle might make you wonder, but there is now  much more to the job than that .

 In the days before constantly intrusive media and the internet etc....a couple of old school fellas like Ron Morse and Bob Jeffries, could essentially run the club very competently for years between them armed with little more that a couple of WHSmith ledgers.

 In all that time I don't recall either ever being seen or heard on any media...other than the occasional quote in the Adver about turning up early to avoid queues etc.

 I fully expect SG to quietly slope off back to Newbury at around the same pace she quietly became our CEO.

loving the avatar reg :soapy tit wank:

No he's not. He's specifically said he's in a non-executive role, and that he's been brought in to handle media, PR and communications issues, oh and that only 25% of his time is for STFC, the rest is for Dunwoody. So he's not going to be running the show, he's been brought in as a spin doctor to paper over the cracks in public. Which is a damn shame because he was a good Chief Exec. And that's no disrespect to Sandy who does do a good job in many ways, but I'd agree with Spencer that one of the things a CEO needs is the character and charisma to "lead from the front" and inspire the people working for them.

Thats what I was saying should happen.