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If Kingy fails to win this and Town hit bottom place ...

Ive heard rumblings that Chalkie White and Paul Bodin are ready to take over .....

Would you be happy with this or do you think Kingy deserves to stay?

Im torn ... but I think Kingy deserves till Xmas at the least

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he's had long enough, let alone till christmas.

i know it's not nice but i do hope we lose on Saturday cos then King will have to be sacked.

For a team with our quality & potential to be bottom of this rubbish league speaks volumes.

But i wouldn't want Chalkie or Bodin to be manager. Both town legends and i would want to keep them that way.

Who we would get is a mystery as we have no money to pay anyone.
We are a sinking ship with this current board/management in charge.
if things don't change soon then STFC will be no more.

Chalky in charge would be hilarious, especially after hearing his interviews after Chippenham games last season.  I'm not sure what the ref's would think off his comments though.  The man is a legend.

If there had to be a change ... id want Lou Macari involved .. either as manager or assistant .. otherwise I wouldnt bother changing it :scribe:

Chalky has a done marvellous job at 'Nam though....

I reckon we should go down the same route as Watford have - Adi Boothroyd came from the coaching setup at Leeds and no-one had heard of him, now he's one of the best prospects outside the Premiership.

We have a history of managers coming here for their first job in management and doing well - no reason why we can't find that magic again (apart from Sandy Gray that is).

Lou Macari has been out of the game for too long, we need a fresh young manager who will be deserate to succeed.  Like Pearce at man city is doing

I still believe woan could do it, just have a feeling

Well if we have to pick a fresh young PLAYER manager ...then Martin Keown or Paul Ince would be good

I'd get Kammy back...

thats a good shout.
he's probably learning a thing or two from Hoddle aswell and has that hunger and respect which we need.

bit like Pearce at Man City.

Paul Ince would be cracking, but I'm afraid we're about 8 months too early for him - Carlton Palmer is available*. :?  

















* If we employ CP I will personally poo bomb Sandy Gray's house. :twisted:

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I can't see him leaving his nice job at sky to come and manage us,he'd have to be a complete nut-case to do that.Although it would be class if we could tempt him back into management,but it ain't going to happen.

Fellas if King does go soon....it will be an internal appointment.....unless something completely bizarre happens, like SSW wishing to pay for his own man....or as the scum did get in someone with no work permit who's apparently not being paid.

 The suggestion of a Chalkie/Zippy partnership is laughable in the extreme, and would doubtless see us relegated by season's end.

Yeah we could get that bloke who sits with him on Goals on Sunday as his assistant!!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Reg,you are spot on[as usual],it is going to be one of the three of them,it has to be as they are on the books and on a wage already.Money is the big concern, we can't afford any big names,and i can't see the board being to adventurous and looking outside of the club.To be honest,i wouldn't mind anyone of them.

What about Shaun Taylor?thats the [obvious]rumour i heard.

Chalkie was quoted last week as saying hes lookin to come back into management but NOT at non league level ... :old:

Quite agree with that Kinky.Oh how they all laughed when we appointed Hoddle!

We will appoint internally, and knowing Swindon I really wouldnt be surprised if we promoted the manic depressed guy in the ticket office with the annoying mono tone voice to manager :shock:

Yea-he's a real wheeze!

I'm sure that when King is sacked we will appoint from outside the club, otherwise there is no point at all.  

We may well interview the current coaches, but I doubt they'll get the job - anyone coming in will probably be told they will have to keep the current coaching set up, and will also probably be paid less than King is being paid at the moment - so they will cut costs anyhow.

I feel that a corner is about to be turned for the better at this football club, call me deluded if you like.

 :D

chalkie white - please no.  :x

When you say manic deppressed are you sure you really mean manic depressed? Or do you mean unipolar depression, ie. when they're just depressed? If not what's his mania like?

His mania surfaces when you ask him how the ticket sales are going.He always says"really well"

nice one adje  :D

I've heard strong(ish) rumours that Shaun Taylor and Paul Bodin approached the board to alert their availability and that they would like to step in as a manager/assistant duo if King was to leave.

Don't believe it myself but appointing Taylor as manager wouldn't be a terrible move, he's got a great deal of coaching and assistant managerial experience, doesn't mean he'd be a success but would be worth a shot.

However, as Reg says any appointment would be from within and I wouldn't have any objections if Reeves/Woan/Iffy were promoted to manager.

Anybody saying we should try and attract people like Paul Ince or Martin Keown is off their rocker. Not only could we not afford them but I highly doubt they'd be interested in coming to a struggling League One club anyway.

I know Bodin's daughter, i'll ask if she knows anything at all.  Seems unlikely though.

I don't know about that Sonic, didn't Tony Adams go to Wycombe, a struggling League 2 side? I agree with everything else, and I don't think we would get anyone of the ilke(sp) of Ince, but I don't think guys like that, who are looking to take a first step into management, are thinking that they'll go in at a high level (Prem or Championship)....

Good point but Adams made no impact whatsoever at Wycombe from what I saw. Furthemore, Wycombe are in a much better position financially than us and could probably offer Adams a fairly tempting offer, we'd be scraping the barrel to even afford him or anyone similar.

It seems more and more common that ex-players make the step up into management at a higher level as opposed to working their way up from the bottom, as somebody else said it's partially because there's so much money in the game now and the difference between leagues is becoming even bigger. Stuart Pearce is a prime example although he retired from playing a few years ago now.

I'd dearly love to see a young manager desperate to get into management come to the club and drag us forward kicking and screaming but I can't see it happening.

Keith Curle is doing a good job in the basement division - he's an ex-premmer.

There's plenty of people out there who would like to try their hand at management, and I'm sure there are much less attractive options around than us.

I agree, Adams was awful there, but at the time they weren't to know that, obviously, or they wouldn't have signed him! I didn't realise Wycombe were that well off financially...must have missed that, but my point still stands about reasonably well known ex-players, willing to take a step back, to take a step forward.

Stuart Pearce is an exception, as it was obvious to all that he would make a terrific manager (future England boss imho), and he had served his apprenticeship (sp) under Keegan. When Keegan left, I believe he recommended Pearce to take over from him.....

I want Calderwood. Northampton havnt made that much progress so their might be chance he could leave by mutual consent.

Failing that, fuck knows. I just think too much water is under the bridge for King to stay.

Dont want Chalky though. I just cant see him being respected. Rather have Jimmy Quinn back. Taylor, not to bad as a figurehead, but is he smart enough for the job? Doubtful.

Ok so Calderwood hasnt got Northampton promoted with the aid of some cash but at least he would be respected by the fans.

Yeah, at first, then results start going against you, you're on the verge of relegation.....fans can turn against anyone. FACT

  That was me SY.....KT mentions Curle but he's really an 80's player...I suppose its possible that an ex prem trough snuffler, may regard starting in the lower leagues as the way to go and may be prepared to work for nothing to get a chance.

 Any of our ex players would be a disaster, its not the club they knew, and none of them are experienced enough in the sort of firefighting that will be needed to keep us up this season.....only Reeeeeeves may fall into this category, as he's never known the club in its better days and is fully aware of the kind of job it is.

Wouldn't it be magic if King got the Bristol City job!  :mrgreen:

No it would be the worst thing ever.

Why? :roll:

i think some people need to get real here, there's no chance at all of calderwood (or infact anyone in a job) taking over from king!

dont get me wrong, i'm no fan of king. i hate the guy as much as the next person! but the bottom line is that we simply cannot afford to sack him, because there just is not the money available to pay him off (we struggle to fulfill a £25'000-a-week wage bill, where is a £100'000 lump sum going to come from?). you can speculate all you like about crowds increasing under a new manager, but no-one knows for sure if they will or not, and we are currently dealing with the very future existence of this football club. it's too much of a risk. i imagine that if anything happens, all it will be is a shift around. king will move "upstairs", he'll be given a years notice on his contract, paid weekly until that expires whilst reeves, onuora or woan become "caretaker manager" on the same wage as they are on now, with everything reviewed at the end of the season (when we'll know more about the new stadium, and whether there even is a club anymore).

it is well within the realms of possibility that reeves could be a success. he seems able to read the game well, and has a defensive brain (of sorts!), and has worked with our youth... but whether he has the ability to make professional footballers play for him remains to be seen.

Said it before but I agree with the Kinky Tom that any long term appointment will be made externally and may well cause a bit of a stir.

We may be strapped for cash and saddled with enough debt to feed the third world for an hour but it’s still worth remembering that there’s still a fair amount of cash still running through the club.  Admittedly most of it’s used to plug holes or is being pissed up the wall by Sandy but nevertheless there’s a big investment by some and potentially money to be made by others.

For that reason I just can’t see the board taking a gamble on an inexperienced internal appointment and are far more likely to opt for an external candidate.

What the board want and what we can attract is another thing altogether.  As they say with employing managers you either take a gamble on an inexperienced man or employ someone that's been sacked elsewhere.

Worth remembering though that a manager’s salary is usually only fraction of what a player earns whatever the level.

Chances are King would get them promoted seeeing as he's so come close here with much less to work with. Couple that with us being even worse and it would be awful.

  Think you're well wide of the mark, here Dazzza if SSW really wanted to make an exciting appointment, he'd have done it by now....the only chance of an external would be if they were prepared to do it for nothing or next to nothing

Get to fuck. Can you see King ever EVER organising a mean well disciplined team?

He talks about luck more than an Irish lepricorn.

very good point! i never ever feel bad about slagging off king, because he really is an enormous fucking twat.

I can see King organising a team that could get promotion certainly. Not difficult to see really, he's already guided two teams to the playoffs. With the resources Bristol City have they could easily win promotion.

I hope they get someone much worse. Another Tinnion will do nicely.

Come on Ben can you really see Andy King succeeding where the likes of Benny Lennartson have failed?   :D

Anyway back on to baldy.....

There's every chance we wouldn’t have to pay King a dime if he was sacked.

I keep dragging this old nugget up but here goes.   Before King signed his current rolling contract Mark Devlin gave an interview with the BBC and stated that should the circumstances ever arise the board had a get out quick/cheap clause in the manager’s contract.

Then there is the fact that we may not have to pay King a dime anyway.  Given results its well within the remit that he’s not fulfilling the terms of his contract and therefore can justifiably be sacked without retort.  Even if was he inclined to try and shaft the club once again and take it tribunal he’d have a tough job convincing any council that he has a right to compensation.  Worse case scenario and by some major miracle a council rules in his favour then he’d only be entitled to a relatively small amount as current contract has less than 12 months until it expires.

Take into account the outlay for legal fees then I don’t even think old baldy would be that stupid.

No manager can get sacked for losing because its part of the game.....paying off managers is like paying up players, written into the framework of agreeing to be a league club.

   Gross misconduct such as kiddie fiddling or stealing or in the case of Tommy Doc  years ago shagging the physios's misuse, would be the only way of not having to pay up.

Look Danny Wilson couldnt get them promoted and he is a far far far superior manager to King.

King is a bodger. You can tell from his interviews that he cant convey anything of worth to a football team. Just hope to gee them up with snappy one liners and keep a happy camp.

I think we would be a lot more loyal to any Town legend that came back than City were to Tinnion (they are such shit fans!). Quinn got us relegated with little more than a murmur of discontent. If we do go down I just want to go down united as a club. This bickering does my head in. Id love to back the team for 90 minutes after 6 straight defeats (and I probably will at Donny next week). But I cant help but fell King has been such a witless prat at times that he deserves to be given the boot now he has been proven as a failure.

i imagine this is the rolling contract thing? mark devlin was always clever with his wording, and this, after all, is the same mark devlin that put ticket prices where they are now and the same mark devlin that put the clause in parkin's contract that allowed him to go so cheaply!


considering we are swindon town and not real madrid... i would be absolutely amazed if he is contracted to maintain a certain [high] level of performance. in any case, the club would certainly risk being sue'd by him (he's a nasty bastard, in case you hadn't noticed!) if they didn't pay compensation for ending his contract before it's term had expired.

 John Trollope who was such a club legend that he received the MBE for services to STFC, was abused by the inhabitants of the Arkell's, when we had a bit of a poor trot in 81/82...this was the 2nd home defeat v Darlo in  a run of 5 successive games in an othwise decent season...we finished 8th.

 Wasn't the TE.....just regulars who thought we were too good for Div 4 and should be beating the likes of Darlo...the Board acted and JT went back to the Youth Team.

 Quinny escaped because it was clear he wasn't operating on a level playing field.

I didn't think managers have that sort of protection and are largely governed by the same laws as the rest of us mortals when it comes to employment.

Youre shit at your job, don’t meet the terms of your contract and can therefore be sacked.

May well be irrelevant regardless as new employment laws may well define a rolling contract as not meeting the required ‘continuous employment’ ruling to be able to claim for unfair dismissal.  

Therefore boot without consequence.   :beers:

Franchise are currently bottom. Wilson hasn't really achieved much with any team for years.

When Quinn got us relegated attendances dropped by 2, 000, where I was sitting I remember the fans moaned for the entire match every match, it was horrible.

I wouldn't like to see a legend returning 'cos I'd hate to see them abused if they failed at what is a very tough job for any manager. Maybe if the club can get back on a more stable footing at some point then it would be different.

There are numerous examples of clubs who try and wriggle out of paying up a contract and they inevitably get clobbered.

 Think Harford, couldn't join us last season because he was sorting out his contract situation because Forest were getting funny as he'd only been there for a few weeks.

 Fellas like Peter Reid have put themselves into the top 50 football earners by trousering fat payouts from the likes of Leeds Sunderland and Coventry.....the trick is to have a good season appear to be a sought after manager sign a lucrative extension then follow it up by being crap and getting the sack.

I wish for the love of god I could find the linkage.  I remember I stumbled across it again a few months back but it now appears to have disappeared without trace.

The clause was definitely mentioned as a separate entity to a contract however who knows if it ever came to light.  After all the same article promised a full time scout that never materialised so it may all have been pie in the sky come the end of the day.

Don't presume anybody is in on King's decision making. Sure, they all have opinions but King never listens. That was always Crosby's moan.

That's not really what I'm saying - I just think we need a completely new influence, and as you seem to think too, someone who will value his coaching staff's suggestions.

i remember it, but always thought that the "rolling" nature of it was the mutually beneficial terms. maybe not, but i cant imagine king accepting anything less knowing how less-than-popular he is.


yeah but work for any decent company and you'd still get your notice period paid, unless it was gross misconduct.

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I dont look forward to being in the TE for the Donny game, especially if we concede early again. The atmosphere is poisionous



Quite right, he never got any stick because anyone even half decent got sold off in the 2nd half of the season.  Mourinho wouldnt have done much better in that situation.

my first 3 tier post

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Attendances dropped 2,000 under Quinn. But they soon dropped another 2,000 when things got really bad under Todd. That 01 team was so shit it wasnt even funny.

I know its a leap of faith. But I just hope he fucks off soon.

Im sick of talking about the childish muggy cunt. He makes me sick.

Im sure we will see the full repetoire of a King 7 game loosing streak. No doubt saturday 5pm will see a seathing attack on the Town End, accompanied by pathetic jibbering about the prospect of loosing his own wage. We only put a decent month of football together last season when the fans lost patience with the half arsed nature and slap dash team and rebelled at Southend. It took Kings job being threatened for him to get the team to play. You would have thought he might have learnt from 4 seasons in div 3, like that you cant afford to slag off fans when you only get 5,000 but I doubt it. His disgraceful, foolish, idiotic, petulant nature will again divide the club in two.

Is he worth it? NO!

I, like you and the others i go with also hope he fucks off a.s.a.p, we've got sick off his crap excuses week in week out.

I think there should be a protest on Saturday at 4.50pm outside the directors box?

If we lose I fully expect there to be - if a couple of hundred camp outside after the game and call for King's head then the board will have to listen.

I'll be there!.

What are the chances of getting Crosby back as manager?

0.000008%

 Crosby is one of those who is good as an assistant, but less good as a boss.

  What's Barry Fry doing....

Isn't he a chippy in the west of Glasgow? :roll:

 Just how do you deep fry a Mars Bar?

I suppose you just need an airy batter, so it insulates the chocolate, to keep it from melting - much like the ice cream in a baked alaska is still cold when it comes out of the oven.

Thanks for that KT....I'll rest easier in my bed tonight armed with that bit of knowledge.

No idea! I work in an office! deep fried chocolate is a delicacy I have never tried!

Haggis on the other hand.  :roll:

Be warned that is only speculation - I might be wrong, but I doubt it. :D

when people first started deep frying fish such as cod (around the time of king henry viii's reign), the batter was used to protect the fish and discarded once the fish had been cooked. eventually, some clever cnut (i believe it may have been isambard kingdom brunel, though i may be mistaken) realised that the batter actually tasted delish and there we have it, a modern day delicacy was born.

Clever bloke that brunel, could've done better with the brunel centre though.

 Bollocks.......back to fretting.

So deep fried mars bar as next manager then?!