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Title: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 06:17:14
Anyone wanting to watch this can do so via BT Sport YouTube channel. They are streaming free to air.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 09:06:06
Or go to a pub with BT Sport.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 10:46:36
 Or BT Showcase, which is free.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 12:02:39
Anyone know if this is also free to air via the BT Sport channel via Sky


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: JayBox325 on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 12:08:33
Anyone know if this is also free to air via the BT Sport channel via Sky

This is being shown free on Sky, Freeview and Youtube


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 15:07:05
Where can I watch it?


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 15:20:21
Where can I watch it?

 :clap:

http://sport.bt.com/football/europa-league/news/how-anyone-can-watch-the-europa-league-final-with-bt-sport-S11364061408780


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 15:45:03
I'm one of the only people who quite like Liverpool. Hope they win


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 15:53:04
I'm one of the only people who quite like Liverpool. Hope they win

I'm no Liverpool fan, but I'd rather the English team win, so I'm with you..


Title: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 17:33:19
come on Sevilla


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 18:35:55
come on Sevilla

There is a school of thought that the Scousers should have been binned after Sakho failed a drug test....after all didn't he score a key goal in an earlier round....they could have shown some class by offering to withdraw, or play the game in question again.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 19:12:01
not sure on that reg, was it performance enhancing drugs?


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 19:25:40
not sure on that reg, was it performance enhancing drugs?

Yep.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 19:26:35
Great game so far. COYR.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:09:09
Liverpool crumble anyone :smugfu:


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:20:49
not sure on that reg, was it performance enhancing drugs?

Liverpool don't have a problem with drugs, there's no-one on Coke in the 2nd half!


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:22:13
Liverpool don't have a problem with drugs, there's no-one on Coke in the 2nd half!
:)


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:38:41
marvellous, absolutely marvellous


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:40:57
marvellous, absolutely marvellous

Oh do shut up.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:48:54
Why are the linos and ref dressed as vicars?


Title: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:51:04
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Oh do shut up.
boo hoo hoo


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:53:50
It looks as though it might be more fun to be on Sevilla's side then?

I've always had a soft spot for them.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 20:59:22
boo hoo hoo
:)


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 22:07:28
The Welsh Liverpool plastics (who were once far more prolific than they are now, surprisingly) have somehow found their shirts and managed to descend on my local. They are now very sad, which is lovely.  :beers:


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 06:58:03
The Welsh Liverpool plastics (who were once far more prolific than they are now, surprisingly) have somehow found their shirts and managed to descend on my local. They are now very sad, which is lovely.  :beers:

I used to work in Cardiff for a while, and the place was full of Liverpool fans who used to take great pleasure in taking the piss out of Man Utd because all "their" fans came from the south east. Don't think they quite understood the irony


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 07:38:49
The Welsh Liverpool plastics (who were once far more prolific than they are now, surprisingly) have somehow found their shirts and managed to descend on my local. They are now very sad, which is lovely.  :beers:
Makes a change from the spurs plastics i presume  ;)


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:03:24
Kind of frustrates me how some English people don't want to see English clubs be successful in Europe..


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:03:57
Liverpool aren't English


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:18:24
Kind of frustrates me how some English people don't want to see English clubs be successful in Europe..

 :nod:


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:21:22
Kind of frustrates me how some English people don't want to see English clubs be successful in Europe..

For me its the English hype machine that infuriates me. We have supposedly the 'best league in the world' because we pay the biggest wages, have the biggest prize pots etc, so for me, I actually don't mind the rich kids of England constantly being outplayed by those teams in 'inferior' leagues.

I did used to cheer for our teams in Europe but that's changed now.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:24:06
I guess I'm alone in having wanted Liverpool to do well last night :shrug:


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:24:55
Makes a change from the spurs plastics i presume  ;)

Beat me to it!  :D


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:31:02
I guess I'm alone in having wanted Liverpool to do well last night :shrug:

It would have been a good result for them, however they disintegrated in a wonderfully Liverpool season 15-16 manner, brilliant one minute woeful the next!

Can you imagine the crowing in the British media if 3 of the 4 European competition finalists were from the Premier League.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 09:33:02
For me its the English hype machine that infuriates me. We have supposedly the 'best league in the world' because we pay the biggest wages, have the biggest prize pots etc, so for me, I actually don't mind the rich kids of England constantly being outplayed by those teams in 'inferior' leagues.

I did used to cheer for our teams in Europe but that's changed now.

I don't see anyone say the BPL is the "best" league in the world anymore in terms of ability. It's the best league in terms of entertainment, that will never change.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:00:25
I guess I'm alone in having wanted Liverpool to do well last night :shrug:

Haha nah I was with you too.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:01:52
I don't see anyone say the BPL is the "best" league in the world anymore in terms of ability.

Thiery Henry says it is on the Sky advert so it must be true!

I can't believe anyone who knows anything about the game would think it's a higher standard than La Liga. It certainly got a bit of its interest level back this season though.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:19:43
It is the best league in world. It doesn't have the best teams in the world, but the depth of quality and drama makes it far and away the best product, for sure.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:23:32
Thiery Henry says it is on the Sky advert so it must be true!

I can't believe anyone who knows anything about the game would think it's a higher standard than La Liga. It certainly got a bit of its interest level back this season though.

The standard of the premier league is higher than la liga. There are some awful sides in the latter. There are no easy games( villa aside) in the premier league.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:32:41
The 7th place side in La Liga just won a 3rd straight European trophy.  Could a Saints or West Ham do the same?

No chance

Spanish teams have won 48 out of their last 52 games against non Spanish sides. Yes there might be some dross at bottom of La Liga but there is in every league

I'm not bashing the PL, enjoyed it more this year than have done in a decade, however the quality isn't that close for me.  Of course a higher standard doesn't necessarily make it more exciting to watch.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Ells on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:33:39
Makes a change from the spurs plastics i presume  ;)

Ha to be fair I have more of a claim to support Spurs than any of them do to Liverpool (bite bite :D) and I've never claimed to be a huge fan or a real supporter. My real team is the one I watch and go to support.



Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:38:44
The 7th place side in La Liga just won a 3rd straight European trophy.  Could a Saints or West Ham do the same?

No chance

Spanish teams have won 48 out of their last 52 games against non Spanish sides. Yes there might be some dross at bottom of La Liga but there is in every league

I'm not bashing the PL, enjoyed it more this year than have done in a decade, however the quality isn't that close for me.  Of course a higher standard doesn't necessarily make it more exciting to watch.

It's because our sides have it tougher week in week out that they struggle in Europe in my opinion.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:39:55
Ha to be fair I have more of a claim to support Spurs than any of them do to Liverpool (bite bite :D) and I've never claimed to be a huge fan or a real supporter. My real team is the one I watch and go to support.



Is that another one in addition to Spurs and Swindon?  ;)


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:41:52
It's because our sides have it tougher week in week out that they struggle in Europe in my opinion.

Really, in what way is the PL tougher week in week out than LL? The 7th best team in Spain just played the 8th best team in the PL off the park, and although Sevilla had an extra days rest that really doesn't really cut it. I do love the way that Moreno is being made the complete scapegoat for it despite having no coverage in front of him, Swindon fans would be proud.

FWIW I really don't get the Europa League, there is a big thing every season about teams qualifying, then they moan like hell about it, play weakened teams and get knocked out!


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Ells on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:45:33
Is that another one in addition to Spurs and Swindon?  ;)

Nope.
Lived in Tottenham for a while and my family are from there so I look out for their result and I like to see them do well.
But I'm Swindon till I die. Only missed a handful of games since I started watching football, ST holder for 10 years. Travel from Wales for every home game.

I'm not a fatbury thank you very much. 


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:53:48
Really, in what way is the PL tougher week in week out than LL? The 7th best team in Spain just played the 8th best team in the PL off the park, and although Sevilla had an extra days rest that really doesn't really cut it. I do love the way that Moreno is being made the complete scapegoat for it despite having no coverage in front of him, Swindon fans would be proud.

FWIW I really don't get the Europa League, there is a big thing every season about teams qualifying, then they moan like hell about it, play weakened teams and get knocked out!

The sides towards the bottom of the premier are better than those in similar postions in la liga in my opinion. They have a winter break which helps I also think.

They didn't play Liverpool off the park. First half was a different kettle of fish. Individual errors and who knows maybe fatigue was a factor ? Moreno was woeful by the way.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 10:56:35
Christian Benteke cost 10 million quid more than the whole of the Sevilla first team I'm led to believe.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 11:05:03
The sides towards the bottom of the premier are better than those in similar postions in la liga in my opinion. They have a winter break which helps I also think.

They didn't play Liverpool off the park. First half was a different kettle of fish. Individual errors and who knows maybe fatigue was a factor ? Moreno was woeful by the way.

But how do you know as they never play each other, the second half was embarrassing, not sure if it was Liverpool fatigue or that Sevilla just sorted their system out as they were just lumping it first half. Don't even get me started on a winter break as you know that if they introduced it over here all the teams would just fuck off to play games in Asia and then moan about travel fatigue.

In defence of Moreno, speaking as someone who previously occasionally played sunday league as a full back (I never should have as I am slow and have the turning circle of an oil tanker!) you can look very shit if you have zero protection from midfield as you have both the winger/midfielder to deal with plus an opposing full back arriving at pace, for whatever reason Liverpools midfield just sacked it off in the second half which left the back four hopelessly exposed, although the fact that Toure looked the best defender on the night says a lot about how the defence played as a unit.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 11:06:52
Christian Benteke cost 10 million quid more than the whole of the Sevilla first team I'm led to believe.

Yeah Liverpool need to get out of the habit of buying big strikers, then making a big song and dance that they don't reflect their style of play and then not playing to their strengths, first Carroll now Benteke - seems to be a blind spot at the club!

Watching their fans melt down on NWT last evening was a highlight!


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 11:53:10
Moreno made 2 mistakes for the first goal, which was the massive turning point of the game. He deserves criticism. So does Coutinho to be fair who was player of the season and did absolutely nothing


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 12:52:02
I don't see anyone say the BPL is the "best" league in the world anymore in terms of ability. It's the best league in terms of entertainment, that will never change.
The premier league regularly promotes itself as the best league in the world, unfortunately just saying it over & over doesn't make it true.

I'd actually argue that it's not even the best league in England in terms of entertainment, quality yes, but for entertainment I'd say the championship is probably better


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 13:08:28
The premier league regularly promotes itself as the best league in the world, unfortunately just saying it over & over doesn't make it true.

I'd actually argue that it's not even the best league in England in terms of entertainment, quality yes, but for entertainment I'd say the championship is probably better

Funnily enough, I've just said this to a colleague of mine!


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 15:36:01
The trouble with the Premier League is that it is so far up its own arse, it needs a miners lamp to pat itself on the back.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 16:19:37
The premier league regularly promotes itself as the best league in the world, unfortunately just saying it over & over doesn't make it true.

I'd actually argue that it's not even the best league in England in terms of entertainment, quality yes, but for entertainment I'd say the championship is probably better

Fair enough, but the point I was trying to make is do the Premier League try and promote itself as best for ability or best for entertainment? They don't say "this is the best league in the world for ability" (although that would be a bit of a mouthful).

Actually probably agree that Championship is usually more exciting, Leicester winning the prem this year is maybe an exception to Champ being more entertaining.


Title: Re: Sevilla v Liverpool
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 19, 2016, 18:51:27
The standard of the premier league is higher than la liga. There are some awful sides in the latter. There are no easy games( villa aside) in the premier league.

We've had this argument many times before....the Prem is a more even league, but the standard of football is way lower.

This is especially true at the lower end of the prem because the sheer amount of money at stake for relegation...means safety first and a template of fill your side with athletes and play %.  It's hard to watch at times, which is why the arch practioners like Big Sam, Pardew, Pulis will get moved on as owners try to get something a bit better. It's also why canny foreign coaches like Flores and Bilic, come in and more or less stick with the template.

In Spain becasue the consequence of relegation is lower....there's less fear amongst the lesser lights.

For example Las Palmas came up from the segunda, last year, at first struggled for results, but stuck with a progressive style, and passed their way into mid table. They did this with 8 islanders in the side, who'd come through their academy a joy to watch.   Sevilla have been less than convincing this season, failing to win a single game away from the Ramon Sanchez Pizuan, but still outclassed the Scousers.

The mid season break is a bit of a red herring regards Spain, as it's really only for the Xmas period, and this season because of the Euros, a round of mid week games was stuck in after the weekend.