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Title: Alcohol percentages
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 14:52:48
If I drink a bottle of wine, generally 75cl @ 13.5%, why do I feel more pissed than when I drink 3 x 50cl bottles of beer @, say, 4.5%?

I'm drinking twice the amount of beer alcohol, by volume, than the wine.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 14:56:16
Not sure you've totally nailed the maths there (perhaps unsurprisingly given the topic) twice the volume at one third of the alcohol concentration is not twice the amount of alcohol, it's twice the amount of liquid.

I think you need a few more bottles of beer.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 14:56:24
Fuck knows Rory


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:02:43
But surely, 3 bottles of 50cl  beer is the same amount of alcohol % - 3 x  4.5% is 13.5% - but is also twice the volume.

Whatever, don't bring the Xmas sherry into it


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:21:27
But surely, 3 bottles of 50cl  beer is the same amount of alcohol % - 3 x  4.5% is 13.5% - but is also twice the volume.

This would be true if the wine was 13.5 units and the beer 4.5 units, but percentages don't work like that (as the percentage shown is a % of the volume, which is a different total in your two examples).

"Units" of alcohol are much given for exactly this reason as it makes it much easier to compare for those who can't do percentages (either before or after the bottle of wine)



Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:22:28
Your 3 bottles of beer comes in at 6.75cl of alcohol whereas your bottle of wine contains 10.125cl.

50*3=150
150*4.5/100=6.75

75*13.5/100=10.125


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:23:43
So, the short answer is - keep drinking wine


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 15:53:53
 It's a mystery to me why if I drink 5 pints of 4% ale, the effect seems greater than 5 pints of 4% lager.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:27:37
mushrooms Reg, mushrooms!


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:52:01
It's a mystery to me why if I drink 5 pints of 4% ale, the effect seems greater than 5 pints of 4% lager.

Carbonation, perhaps?


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: michael on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 16:57:17
It's a mystery to me why if I drink 5 pints of 4% ale, the effect seems greater than 5 pints of 4% lager.

The same happens to me.

All things being equal, I experience far more repercussions with ale/beer than lager.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 17:07:35
My brother in law has been given a bottle of homemade vodka from a client of his. He's had a sniff and seems OK and we intend to consume it mixed with fresh orange juice and peach schnapps.

God knows what the alcohol % of that will be. Could be paint stripper.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:44:35
As a "treat" from some US airmen at Greenham common who frequented our local in the 80's they used to bring something on a Friday night simply called 151. That was its proof. They also used it so they said, as emergency helicopter fuel. Boy did it taste like it.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:50:24
Did they mix it with the 'fence tampons' left by those delightful protesters of the fairer sex?


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 18:56:25
Who knows. I'd drink anything back then!


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 19:42:37
And you thought it was a bloody Mary


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 20:04:23
If I drink a bottle of wine, generally 75cl @ 13.5%, why do I feel more pissed than when I drink 3 x 50cl bottles of beer @, say, 4.5%?

I'm drinking twice the amount of beer alcohol, by volume, than the wine.

I work in the Drinks Industry.

3 x 50cl beer at 4.5% = 6.75cl pure alcohol
1 x 75cl of 13.5% = 10.125 cl of pure alcohol

Which sounds like nearly twice as much, but there's more to it that that.

Inebriation is related to the build up of alcohol in the system.
So if you drink the amounts above over the same period, the difference magnifies.

A study was carried out on Stella V Fosters to understand why Stella (5.3%) made people so much more pissed than Fosters (4%), when it only had 32% more alcohol content.

An average man at average weight can drink one pint of alcohol at 2.5% abv every hour and never get drunk, because the body can process the alcohol at the same rate that it is taken in - so no build up in the system.

Therefore the inebriation potential of Stella (assuming one pint every half hour) is 5.3-2.5 = 2.8
The inebriation potential of Fosters is 4.0-2.5 = 1.5

Therefore the effect of Stella V Fosters is 2.8/1.5 = 1.9 times not the 1.3 times you get from the abv's alone..

Therefore you would feel more pissed on the wine than you might even expect


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 20:21:11
Well answered, cheers.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:30:05
Alcohol is also an irritant to the gut entry so higher proof liquids are actually essentially refused entry at first, before eventually pressuring the entry open.  So lower proof gradually builds the alcohol in the blood stream while higher proof causes a longer time to feeling drunk but it happens rapidly once you hit that point.  Therefore it is much more noticeable and harder to control.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Pete on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:47:09
I work in the Drinks Industry.

3 x 50cl beer at 4.5% = 6.75cl pure alcohol
1 x 75cl of 13.5% = 10.125 cl of pure alcohol

Which sounds like nearly twice as much, but there's more to it that that.

Inebriation is related to the build up of alcohol in the system.
So if you drink the amounts above over the same period, the difference magnifies.

A study was carried out on Stella V Fosters to understand why Stella (5.3%) made people so much more pissed than Fosters (4%), when it only had 32% more alcohol content.

An average man at average weight can drink one pint of alcohol at 2.5% abv every hour and never get drunk, because the body can process the alcohol at the same rate that it is taken in - so no build up in the system.

Therefore the inebriation potential of Stella (assuming one pint every half hour) is 5.3-2.5 = 2.8
The inebriation potential of Fosters is 4.0-2.5 = 1.5

Therefore the effect of Stella V Fosters is 2.8/1.5 = 1.9 times not the 1.3 times you get from the abv's alone..

Therefore you would feel more pissed on the wine than you might even expect


Good post.

You can never get distilled (and drinkable!) alcohol greater than 96% abv e.g Polish spirit.

Fermented alcohol, like wine, wont get above approx 14%. The alcohol will kill the yeast at that level. The old myths about grannys elderflower wine stronger than brandy, are unfortunately myths.



Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:48:36
As a "treat" from some US airmen at Greenham common who frequented our local in the 80's they used to bring something on a Friday night simply called 151. That was its proof. They also used it so they said, as emergency helicopter fuel. Boy did it taste like it.

Sounds like Bacardi 151 = which is 151 proof - 75.5%. I've drank 75% Absinthe, and I like Bacardi, so I'm sure it's a delight.

They used to sell some shit in town called Overproof which was 60% I believe and it tasted like Tequila mixed with Captain morgans and sick. It used to be a battle to hold even a single shot down.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 21:53:20
It wasn't Bacardi for sure. It probably was just fuel to see if the stupid locals would drink it.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 23:56:35
Wray and Nephews rum I reckon Barry


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 00:13:02
Percentages? That's for nerds.

Just pour me beer...  :pint:


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 08:04:02
Sounds like Bacardi 151 = which is 151 proof - 75.5%. I've drank 75% Absinthe, and I like Bacardi, so I'm sure it's a delight.


The legendary 151. Comes with a fire proof warning and special pouring part so you don't spill it.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 09:18:07
Wray and Nephews rum I reckon Barry

Just googled it and you're right. Even seeing the picture makes me feel sick.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 09:35:49
Just googled it and you're right. Even seeing the picture makes me feel sick.

The classic shot to stitch someone up  :)


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 23, 2016, 11:40:32
The classic shot to stitch someone up  :)

Fuck


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 13:52:20
Just bumped this as I was in a cocktail bar at the weekend that served the Wray and Nephews rum Simon Pieman mentioned earlier.

They has these cards on the table talking about it like some nectar of the gods and it convinced me I was wrong so I should try it again. I wasn't. Fuck it's vile.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZnKBdWh.jpg)

Although some Navy lad we were with liked it and also bought a shot of something called Old J Tiki Fire. It's 75.5% and is actually kind of palatable.

http://www.drinksupermarket.com/admiral-vernons-old-j-tiki-fire-rum-70cl


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 13:55:06
Just bumped this as I was in a cocktail bar at the weekend that served the Wray and Nephews rum Simon Pieman mentioned earlier.

They has these cards on the table talking about it like some nectar of the gods and it convinced me I was wrong so I should try it again. I wasn't. Fuck it's vile.

Although some Navy lad we were with liked it and also bought a shot of something called Old J Tiki Fire. It's 75.5% and is actually kind of palatable.

http://www.drinksupermarket.com/admiral-vernons-old-j-tiki-fire-rum-70cl
I am game!


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 14:57:54
In St Lucia earlier this year I had a rum punch with 80% rum which was the vilest thing I have ever tasted. It tasted like rocket fuel and basically sent me to sleep for the rest of the afternoon!


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 15:12:44
So, the opposite of rocket fuel.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 15:14:39
So, the opposite of rocket fuel.

Haha, yes totally.


Title: Re: Alcohol percentages
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 23:17:38
I used to make rocket fuel