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Hi. I know there is already a thread for this, but I'd like to make sure everyone understands where we're at.

Firstly, I have been liaising with Barnsley FC and their directors have decided against displaying a banner within the stadium, nor on their property. I understand why they have come to this decision, but it is a shame.

Secondly, Swindon Town fans have made themselves heard. I told myself when I started this that I’d only do it if there was a mixture of positive and negative responses from our community I’d still do it, but the outcry of anger over the subject has led me to the decision below.

The day itself. This is my compromise to keep all parties happy.

We will be getting photos with the banner somewhere outside the ground to still be a part of the @RefugeesEFL campaign. This was a compromise suggested by a lot of fans and some officials.

If you share the views that we need to show our support for the refugees I’d love to have as many there to be a part of it. Thanks to this campaign, Swindon Town fans have raised over £200 to help the refugees and of this I am very proud.

Finally, I have received a lot of personal abuse and ridiculous accusations (that I won’t be dignifying with responses) from a few since taking part in this campaign which were very unexpected. So it's a shame that some in our community have resorted to this.

Now let's move past this and support the Town! Oxford away is coming up, they've been putting together a huge display for the derby and we'll hopefully put one on to put them in their place. Donate below:

gofund.me/stfcdisplays

Cheers,
Jay

It was very brave of you to stand for something like this Jay. Even though it's something I haven't taken much part in at all, you have my respect.

Cheers mate. For every one person being horrible to me over it, there's been two or three that have been absolute legends.

A sensible decision by Barnsley, and a mature decision by that twink from Bath. I personally will not support the motive behind the banner but it is a reasonable compromise. You'll go far.

You reminded me to add in a bit about how we raised £200 because of it. This was the motive. :)

Cheers.

Although it's not something I particularly wanted to be involved in either way, I'm pretty appalled at the negative fan reaction, and even more disappointed in the stance Barnsley have taken.

Personally wouldn't have mentioned it to them at all.

I wasn't going to but the Wiltshire Police on Twitter guy saw it and raised it with them so I kind of had to. :/ Either way, this is better than some of our fans drunkenly assaulting us for holding it up.

Wow, what a busy bastard.

Bloody hell, a press release are you also planning a press conference - perhaps the advertiser could photograph you crying into the part completed banner - it would give them something to report!*

I am just glad we didn't have all this banner stuff when that old lady was trapped by the mattress, it could have got way out of hand!

* I am joking

Cheers for the asterisk. That's at a similar level to the stuff on the Facebook group so my 'joking or not'-o-meter is a bit off.

I don't know, its the best news one of them has received all day - that poor lad must lead a very shitty or dull life!

Bit special some of them

He also followed it up with "No to Refugees!" which is nice of him. He's right. There should be no refugees anywhere. Everyone should have a home.

It's a shame, but I understand your decision.   You've done well (and not just on this) and I'd still be good to meet up, although now before the game.

I can't believe this one hasn't been mentioned yet... I was just having a re-read...

What the actual fuck.

I think he's referring to a group of criminals just sent down for grooming little girls

Congratulations on getting the Town Fans to give on average 2.5p each to your bandwagon*

* based on £200/8,000 (you said you liked asterisks)

Grow up.

Combe Down is a district of Bath.  Jay has his very own local nemesis.

We'd be lucky if we got 8,000 fans, mate.

Glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought that unnecessary. Not the first time I've seen him post it either.

Our friends have arrived from NZ. We're fulfilling our obligation, what are you doing?

Grow up.

*Unless you were one of the few that contributed.

**See what I did there?

I'm tempted to start a gofundme page that will keep Jaybox stocked up on beer and Grillstock.

Failing that, I'd happily buy him a pint at the next home Tuesday Night game (Oldham?) for all the stick he's taken fighting a cause he clearly cares about. Props.

Well, the banner has certainly stirred some emotions on FB and twitter hasn't it.

Not overly sure about it myself (football being the place for it), but some of the offence taken is well OTT. Some of the views have surprised me.

Hope the flack hasn't got you down too much Jay.

I think he's been a bit over sensitive about it. Did a new thread need to be created?!

Well done. What do you want, a gold star?

It's flak
Fl(ieger)a(bwehr)k(anone)

As for the banner, meh can't say football and politics mix well but least he is true to his convictions

I dropped learning English twentysomething years ago.

(yes, yes I do realise its not, oh never mind.).

I think the right decision has been made.

I'm all for people helping others but politicising a fanbase doesn't sit right with me. I go to football as an escape from all this stuff as much as anything else and I'm sure it's the same for many others, this has just caused unnecessary tension.
Regardless of the subject matter or your motives you shouldn't use an occasion such as a football match to pedal an outside issue, it's a slippery slope to go down and you are never going to be representative of the entire fanbase. Leave people to enjoy the football, there are many other ways to get your point across.

Multi culti- go feck off. The absorption into nothingness. Ah, but what about the curries?

Don't expect moi do be insulted into framing the argument surrounding a media manipulated kid. Can you sink further? Think again left wing cunts.

The banner was going to say 'bath Reds' on it. It's literally no more a political statement reflecting the entire can add than when we had the Di Canio banners a few years ago

This is how you deal with Zionist nation plundering cunts. Your 'victimhood' is fast becoming apparent as a pack of lies. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hxdq8_give-me-back-my-pen-putin-will-make-you-tremble-in-your-dreams-with-his-rage-fury-a-must-watch_shortfilms

Not in my name or the countless of number of women raped by your 'feel good factor' enterprise. Fuck off and see the truth gullible cunt. Makes you feel all good about yourself.

I thought the'd taken the word gullible out of the dictionary ?

To be fair I think we were all getting a bit parochial and weird on the subject, thankfully Dosser's now involved, should put a stop to that.

I'm not good with computers guys, but one thing I can advise, don't allow an emotional scene to circumscribe the discussion about the economic migrant situation. May the blood be upon the hands of those who facilitated and precipitated this shite storm.

No matter of flags and confetti will disguise the roots of this.

I don't know, I signed up tonight to be in a quiz team for the Harbour Project. Head fucked.

Hear hear!

I'd have supported the banner personally, but I can see why some of our fans have taken offence - not just at the politicisation but also at the assumption that they were all in favour of the 'Refugees Welcome' sentiment.  I think we've all learned a lesson.

Importantly though, I hope that this episode hasn't taken the wind out of Jay's sails and that he continues with the (apolitical) fan displays - which add colour and excitement to the experience of a match day.

This!

Dunno. Currently weighing it up. Some of the shit getting thrown my way about me personally is still coming in, and those people can get fucked. So I'm going to see how an Oxford away display goes and if I am still getting it I'll call it a day.

I'd rather be a left wing cunt than a right wing cunt, mate.

You're looking to Putin for a good example?! You're actually hysterical.

Don't be too hard on Dossy, he's just worried about the invasion of the lizard people.

Regardless of where people stand on the banner issue, some of the stuff that's been said publicly about Jay, and to a lesser extent people who've supported him, has been utterly disgusting. Dreadful way to treat fellow fans even if you do disagree with them politically. Found it all quite depressing really.

Don't give up over something that has nothing to do with football.

I was personally against the banner (inside the ground) but think the insults and attacks you have received have been way OTT.

I really hope you continue with the great work with the displays which have been brilliant and have improved the atmosphere. The Sheff Utd play off game summed it up.

One banner at a football ground has caused you tension?  Really?

Jay has probably learned a valuable lesson though, stick your head above the parapet into a politically sensitive issue and you can expect brickbats as well as bouquets.

I think he means tension caused on social media between those apposed to the idea, and those pro it.

And asking for money towards it.

Right, you can do one with that comment, mate. We've been able to donate £200 to actually try and help because of this whole campaign and other clubs have done similar.

What a bite.

Some people do not like being asked for money. That's life. It's like those annoying people that knock on your door at 9pm at night from a 'charity'.

Agreed, but it goes too far when people falsely accuse him, as they did on FB, of embezzling money, just because they disagree with him. That's not political debate, that's being a cunt.

Ditto the people, on the same site, who called a girl a bitch, just because she disagreed with them, and accused her of 'googling her views' simply because, well a women couldn't be articulate

Again, not political debate, just being a cunt.

Hardly. I wasn't asking for money. I never tweeted directly at anyone or chased individuals for it. It was just some general tweets about it. Not forcing anyone to do anything. So I think the comparison to Chuggers that come to your house is a bit ridiculous.

All of that is relatively mild...

400 facebook notifications of people saying I "suck Syrian refugee dick", how much of a cunt I am, how I only ask people to donate so I can pocket it, posting my profile picture in said thread, etc etc.

Yes, it's all pretty mild, but when you get personal abuse from people 24 hours a day on Twitter, here and Facebook it does grate a little bit.

Why this obsession with everyone's house, if you so much as suggest that Syrian Refugees might not be all horrendous ISIS rapists on Facebook, you get told 'Well why don't you have one in your house then', even if, as in my case, you live in a flat and have no spare room.

I live in a flat in Bath with the missus. If you've seen a Bath flat, you'll know they're absolutely tiny.

But I know what you mean. It's like raising money or whatever we've done isn't allowed. We are only allowed to help refugees by physically taking refugees into our homes.

I really hope that events don't ever conspire to lead anyone in this country to have to leave their home and flee as a refugee.

The sheer chaos the wider Syrian crisis has caused makes me wonder whether the country would just implode if the average brit had to deal with this themselves.

The reason why I don't bother with Facebook and Twitter

BTW has Bob Geldof ever taken the families in he was promising to, or was that statement, like so much on this issue, just bollocks with people wanting publicity for doing the right thing?

Awww, threatened by the 15% of the population that is an ethnic minority. Diddums.

yup, it's the lack of nuance that's depressing, everything has to be black and white (on that FB group anywy)

Either you are a 'lefty', in which case open your house but don't blame us if when ISIS murder you in your bed, or you believe they're all grasping scum and we should 'help our own'. Regarding the last point, why on earth is it not possible to do both.

Oh you should its eye opening, in this case purely for the fact it has revealled how many people I went to school with 30 years ago have grown into racist fuckwits - I suspect mainly as they have never left Oxfordshire!  

Jay you are missing the point. You've taken all this to heart and need to chill out.

It's upto you what you do. I don't give a shit either way.

For the record, my opinion, and my opinion only, is that charity starts at home. Yes let's help the refugee's but let's not forget there are also a lot of homeless Brit's in this country.

Do we put banners up for them? Nope. Why? Because it doesn't belong at football.

Haters gonna hate, Jay. Ignore the bastards.

It may be necessary for you, but I prefer the old school methods of talking to people out and about, work, football etc.

You're right but its not always easy to do.  The grinding down effect of 'keyboard warrior' wankers is more pervasive than a lot of people acknowledge, particularly the perpetrators.  As someone already said, a good reason to avoid FB and twitter.

By the way, is Dostoyevsky for real or just an ongoing wind-up?

I think he ( Dostoyevsky) instead of jumping on the bandwagon has fell off it.

There are plenty more reasons Reg.  Worst invention ever.

Yeah, but by 2050 we will be a muslim majority state.

I read it on Facebook, it had pictures and everything.

Some of the comments on social media (and here) make me question whether there should be an intelligence test before allowing certain people to be able to access the internet..

Some of the stuff that keyboard warriors have chucked at Jay and his supporters, whether you agree with the whole banner shebang bollocks or not is just well and truly OTT IMO.

I'm on Facebook now, but have not seen any of the comments people are talking about.  Have all of these come from our own fans, or are they from the wider refugee-hating/knuckle-dragging community and attracted to Jay's initiative to cause mischief?

They are in a Swindon Town fans group that you have to join. I wouldn't if you want to keep your blood pressure down.

I get it now.  Thanks.

I'm always hearing comments about fans being twats on Facebook...but never witnessed it myself.  Problem swerved.

I didn't even get involved with anything they post when I was a member so I posted the compromise message on there and left them to it.

Agreed. I joined for a month, but it was so depressing I unfollowed. Makes the TEF look like Mastermind.

We actually have a greeting at least. They just wait for you to say something and BOOM. They have the power to make you check what you said again.

I think my original thing was the Port Vale away display (the first thing I did), and they reacted like I just rubbed the rims of all their glasses on a different kind of unclean rim.

All of this stuff about politicising football..... This isn't a political issue*, it's a humanitarian one. Football fans are not really known for their empathy towards other people which is why I think that these banners should be allowed into grounds to show that not all football fans are racist inbreds. I'm disappointed by Barnsley and by the CG for not letting the banner into the grounds, however I understand that they're trying to avoid any unnecessary confrontations.

True respect to Jay.

* if you ignore Russian and 'Western' countries intervening in these countries affairs, our banking systems investing in the weapons trade, ISIS, Assad, oil&gas, etc.

We all dream of a team of Yaser Kasims!  :D

Is Yaser Muslim then?

I'm assuming so, but maybe incorrectly. I have an Iraqi colleague who's an apostate, so maybe not.....

Is this the fb group called Swindon Town Fans or a different one?

Always something that was going to split opinion, but a shame there's an element who have to take it too far and get abusive to Jay.

Why involve our football club in controversial issues and yes it is?! If you want to indulge yourself then fine! You don't need OUR football club to enhance your aims. A bit naive if I'm honest.

I've heard he's shit in goal

Didn't somebody do that at the Kassam

So is someone thinks the banner shouldn't be allowed, they are racist?!

He/she does come across as a "bit of a tit" imo.

In minds of the "Leftist / Marxist / Politically Correct Brigade" the answer is sadly yes ?

As a lefty yoghurt knitting feminazi guardian reading politically correct vegan, how about we strike a deal with you gun toting daily mail reading racist homophobic sexist Neanderthals and admit it's all bollocks?

You see it doesn't matter what your beliefs are it's the "not being an arsehole" part that always seems to get lost on some people. That and the whole straw man thing..

You shouldn't limit yourself to lefty yoghurt knitting feminazi guardian reading politically correct veganism, Ells. 

OT, includes Marx in his critique, but he's wrong, Karl propounded the idea that capitalism needs a pool of unemployed labour to function. Classic Marx was that Irish immigration to Britain undermined the wages of British workers and so was a policy favoured by the ruling class. Nothing changes there.

Take each issue as you find it....

I never have, that was sort of my point :)

That's good, keep an open mind....

I mean imagine being a vegan..

Is it vegans who look yellow? Why is that?

:clap: Someone please frame this above the gates to the TEF.

It´s possibly the best post that´s ever been made on this forum.  Take a bow Ells!

lack of meat id say

hth

Well theyve just opened themselves to abuse by posting a picture of them posing with the banner on the fans facebook page

Everything else aside...... what a crap flag!

(http://i.imgur.com/eK5aBhT.gif)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/e2ff51bc06bd2d568ef4f96ea5fa77f9/tumblr_ncow7kOlOE1smr45to1_500.gif)

Can someone put the photo here.

Perhaps all this recognition of the banners and confetti bollocks has turned his head

I've got towels bigger than that.

Think my 4 year old could do better.

All the fucking who har for that. You could easily fold it up and get it in the ground.

Here

Looks like a Croatian flag

Is that gonna head surf the crowd  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Pictured outside Gregg's and an empty unit. Sums up the town centre

This made me chuckle:

Danny Baker ‏@prodnose  · 41 secs41 seconds ago 
Arsenal supporters have now unfurled a "Chelsea Supporters Welcome" banner

 :gay: WTF is the geezer doing in the middle of the flag, trying to hide :hmmm: or having a wank

Fair play to them dressing up like a bunch of refugees, nice touch

You don't get much for £200 nowadays.......

4 train tickets to Barnsley, 4 meals, 8 beers and a red and white tea towel

Drop it. It wasn't funny the first time. And this is the sixth.

Oh my!  :girlgiggle:

It's almost funny how bipolar the TEF is   :nod:

Why bite? True though. That flag would never in a million years cost 3 figures to make.

It didn't. IIRC Jay said it was about 40 quid, but the appeal had raised £200 and he was donating the remainder to a refugees' charity. Nice to see people piling in to lay in to the bloke without actually bothering to find the basic info about what they're so happy to criticise

Seriously, it's tongue in cheek remark. This forum has got way too serious.

We never have cunts or even lnt any more.

I'm creating a 'bring back fb' banner...

Fuck off Sippo you cunt!

Happy now? :-)

Sorry, I replied to your remark but wasn't really aimed at you ....





.... twat (happy now?)

The rise of the Social Network resulted in your good ol' fashioned 'cunts' taking their business elsewhere.

Oh and DMR doesn't like football any more either.

Nice to meet Jaybox today. He's a good lad, I hope he carries on with his displays and the like.

Yay. Fuck all this happy lovey dovey shit.

It used a bit of release, but now it's all a bit tedious.

What's int?

LNT.

Ah yeah, should really be called dlnr. Drunken late night ramblings. I'm in.

How about we shorten the discussion to this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIXyKmElvv8

You can fuck off as well. Bloody cockneys!

Did the banner go to Barnsley today?

I must be a cockney as I was born within the sound of the last order bell at the jack of both sides. That's cockney isn't it?

I think it's strongbow mate, a la "'bow bells"

Haha. Excuse my drunken ramblings/abuse. Indeed, many of my good friends were born in the same establishment. Many people around here have chosen to adopt the dialect at least for some unknown reason. It's probably more mockney than cockney mind.

'fugees. Killing me softly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKOtzIo-uYw

Well done Barnsley for blocking this banner (that turned out be a £40 spunked on a fucking tea towel)

Perhaps bandwagon jumping Gaybox (that's so better than my version) might have learned a lesson?

As for his photo of the muppets standing outside a Gregg's, you have have to laugh really. That £40 they spent on the tea towel could have gone to buying some homeless people in Barnsley a feed.

Still, as long as he 'feels' like he's done 'something', I'm sure he'll sleep soundly this weekend...

why the fuck has what jay does outside the ground mattered so much to you?

Honestly, why are you such a cunt?

As I have said before, I am a cunt. There is no doubt about it and I make no fucking apologies to you lot. I think you're all cunts as well. So we're all sorted there then?

But that's ironsides opinion, and surely he's entitled to air his views. I suppose like you have calling him a cunt.

It doesn't.

But then he put it on the internet.

more of a personal attack than an opinion wasn't it sippo

No problem with his opinion at all, he doesn't agree with the banner, that's fine. For what it's worth I didn't think it was a very good idea at a football match. It's the personal insults toward Jay that are totally unnecessary.

Suppose it could be looked that way.

Ironside you cunt. 😉

He said Gaybox was his preferred insult and not my rubbish version. I merely complied with that preference.

You fucking ginger cunt...

This has all been a bit tedious really hasn't it?

Yep. Fucking refugees.

I was a bit meh about it either way, but as it's annoyed Ironside & Dostoyevsky so much I feel it was well worth it

 So Germany has reinstated its borders with Austria, temporarily left Schengen, and is sending troops to the border, as the the country struggles to cope with immigrant influx.

Why is 'Gaybox' an insult?

Ironside is the TEF version of Katie Hopkins, spouts shit just to get a reaction and thinks he is clever with it.

Unfortunately there are too many of these types of trolls around on t'internet these days

Fucking Merkel needs shooting.
Sends out a message of we can take 800,000.
They show up / start to come.
Next day she shuts the border. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-15-5638_en.htm
Bet the Austrians are happy.
What a fucking mess.

Berniman is just the TEF version of the village idiot, just spouts whatever he thinks is 'popular' but it too stupid to realise he's an idiot.

Unfortunately there's too many of these retards who are allowed to vote...

(http://i.imgur.com/iFmCqKu.gif)

Frau Merkel's 800,000 was  always intended to be a temporary measure, stay in tents etc, until they can be shunted around the rest of the EU by quota. if you don't agree, they there'll be financial penalties. In many ways fair enough, if you're a Poland or Czecho, then you can't just take the advantages without having to have some shit as well.

Better or worse than twink?

You're starting to sound like a right wing nutcase Reg, what with your comments on this subject!

My thoughts are pretty much what was in the labour manifesto at the election....

http://www.labour.org.uk/issues/detail/immigration

Politics normally bores me to fuck, but Ironside's incessant bitterness and hatred is comical.

What have I said that's bitter and hateful?

The whole thing is bringing out the worst in all sides of the population, from the need to be seen to be 'doing something' to the Britain's First inspired bollocks that's circulating it is just rubbish on all sides.

Believe me, in my world 'twink' is certainly NOT an insult!

Makes me think of the legendary drummer Twink of the Pink Fairies.....saw them loads during early 70's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI976o34A9k

The accusation was that you sound right-wing. Quoting any "Labour" manifesto of the past 15 years as a response is pretty much a guilty plea ...

For future reference

He's not. He genuinely believes that shit. Old school BNP, just search back on this forum and you'll find him revelling in their "glory days" when Nick Griffin had them all fooled and then going all "woe is me" when they all finally realised that Griffin was robbing them blind.

That's not to say you can't pity the man.
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone above the age of 13 who has to post controversial views on a forum and says "yeah, I'm a cunt, so what?"

Sort of thing I would have done when I was 13 and listening to Slipknot.

This has become very politicised hasn't it; regardless of view surely more people should be taking the piss out of that hilarious flag

For the record the flag cost less than a tenner.

Some right-winger on Twitter has said he wants to meet me outside the DRS on Saturday...

So that should be interesting.

give my regards to Ironside, I'll get him some lemonade and a packet of crisps.

No everyone is taking themselves way too seriously for that!

Oh OK.  Maybe I should start feeling sorry for him then.  He certainly took offence to be compared to Katie Hopkins..  He'll be having a pop at all the fatties soon

The reason?

Fucking hell are the players offering you out now....



(*for the record I couldn't think who has been playing on the right wing for us this seasons!)

He was just generally being very rude on Twitter to me and a few others.  Calling us pricks etc. I may have called him a moron, but I had my reasons.

Not forgetting he said "What's wrong with being a Nationalist?"

We can also add words to the effect off "I'm not racist cos some of my neighbours are Poles and Indians" to his charge sheet.

(But it was quite funny. Reminded me of this:)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyh1Va_mYWI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyh1Va_mYWI)

How will he recognise you ?

So two people are being Nasty to each other and are now meeting outside the drs stand?

Sounds like a fucking school playground.

Somebody film it.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Fight fight fight fight.

Oh FFS Audrey.

I'm telling on you all...

 Couldn't we just have  Corbyn Welcome banner?

Welcome where?

Moscow

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/so-bob-geldof-where-are-your-refugees/

Usual celebrity bollocks.

Just the same as some on here bleating about the refugees - as long as they don't move in next door or fill up their doctor's surgery or take up a hospital bed or a spot in their chosen school for their own brat

Long on talk, short on action.

Syria.

In the last 5 years of Tory/LibDem ...and now Tory government 900 kids who arrived in the UK unaccompanied have just disappeared.  Social Services who are legally obliged to look out for them, can't cope, due to workload, cuts etc.

The best guess, is that they've gone into servitude, the sex industry or live on the streets.

I reckon Geldoff, Cooper-Balls, Cumberbatch and Sir Lenny Henry have probably got a few 'working' for them now.

That's what the rich privileged 1% mean when they cry we 'won't somebody think of the children', isn't it?

I'd give Lenny the benefit of the doubt.....

What about the rest?

I still haven't heard how many our resident bandwagon jumper has taken in to his hovel either...

I don't think he was ever interested in helping people. More like being our collective conscience.
Nice to see our betters shouting their mouths off then failing miserably when asked to put money were their mouths are.

Who is this 'resident bandwagon jumper'? Is it Miles Storey?

I think they're referring to Mr box.

Is there a wagon heading towards Cumbria yet.

I bet he's one of those who added '#notinmyname'  to everything he twatted after the commons vote earlier in the week, despite having spent his entire life at school and living with mummy and daddy...

Have you ever tried disagreeing with someone without childish ad hominem?

Alright,  calm down princess and don't get your knickers in a twist about things you don't understand,  there's a good girl...

trollololololololol

That was classy.

Hah, I've been more offended by the Dalai Lama.

he can be a right wanker sometimes

You've not seen pain unless you've seen a man go through lentil withdrawal

Can anyone remind me why we never ban Ironside? Is it some sort of hand-wringing lefty need for 'balance?'

For balance?

He makes me laugh at times. Imagine how pleased he was with himself when he sent that last reply.

Besides, we can't ban people just for being wankers. As long as people don't post too frequently, there's rarely a need to ban, in my opinion.

Plus there wouldn't be many left on here.

I can't remember the last person the TEF actually banned? Usually the mods just mess with someone's username/signature/user title until they delete their account in a huff.

That Jed fan got a couple of 24h read only bans, but they were clearly trolling.

Hello!

I was banned a couple of times as Coca Fola. I miss being Coca Fola, if someone could change my name back to Coca Fola that would be great.  :)

I was trogladite and I was banned.

I was Kerry Red then Audrey then Pleasantly Plump Audrey then Skinny Pete and now Pleasantly Plump Chang

I'm a schizo

Always better to let your lunatic fringe offer themselves up for ridicule than give them the satisfaction of being banned, which is of course what they would do if they were in charge.

As we speak, Ironside's probably tugging himself into a frenzy at the FN showing in yesterday's regional elections.

I was banned, and then unbanned, in about an hour.

I've missed all the banner excitement, but was it ethically sourced? I hope it wasn't made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh or something.

Maybe we should knit our own from free range wool?

Un PC Corrected it for you

We don't want any of your help up here, now the electricity has come back on we are too busy moaning and bitching about things to accept help and banners!

 :)  very good

No I believe it was knitted out of quiche....

Close enough

Wasn't there a fella who got banned called Lunny, or something like that?

Don't remember that one

I think it was around the time fb was entered into Mr Advertiser. Fb clashed with him  :)

Also,  there was SONN, don't know if he was banned though.

Neither of those are on the ban list.

The banned list was wiped not so long ago as there were some problems with some people not being able to log in.

On account of being banned?

No, they weren't actually banned but for some reason their account triggered a ban when they tried to log in. Barry and I couldn't find the trigger so just wiped the list.

What Flashheart said. And SONN was definitely banned. Several times under several different monikers.

That's pretty much how I see it. Though with things like racism etc I think the line has be drawn somewhere.
There's an ignore function for anything else.

I don't understand why sometimes some of my postings are deleted without even the courtesy of a private message from a godderator explaining what the problem was with my message.

Chat shit, get banged

 :sherlock:

That used to be the genral objective on most Friday nights to be honest!

Bazza sprang to mind, after one of his recent posts  :)

On local radio this morning,they did a feature,on how Swindon was lagging behind taking in Syrian refugees considering its one of Four dispersal centres in the South west(news to me)
Anyway,to make a short story long,one chap ,who settled in Swindon a couple of years ago (that entered the country illegally) was asked if he fled because of persecution?
He openly admitted that he was half way through his studies and was due for conscription so he had no option but to flee his home country.

So rather than being conscripted into an army that's being used to murder his fellow citizens, not to mention risk being killed himself in a pretty brutal civil war defending the murderous regime of a blood-soaked dictator, he fled the country? That sounds pretty sensible to me.

Agree with Paul. Seems a valid reason to leave to me.

It's a good job my Dad didn't fuck off when the Germans were banging on the door

Yeah because fighting for the British Army in World War II is exactly the same as being conscripted into Assad's gang of murderers

<shrug>

All conflicts initiated by fucking sociopathic nutters

If he was seeking asylum, which it appears he was by avoiding being conscripted, then he didn't enter the country illegally.

Other from the fact that if seeking asylum, you're supposed to seek it in the first safe country you reach, ready to return when circumstances allow.

Not under the UN 1951 Refugee Convention they don't. The convention was signed in the aftermath of WW2 where there had obviously been a great displacement of people. The reason for not including a clause for applying in first "safe country" was to ensure the refugee burden was distributed and shared rather than being placed solely on one country.

 Neverthelass there has been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state.

Further, there is nothing to stop the UK, arranging for an asylum seeker to seek refuge in a safe 3rd country. Hence why UK is under no obligation to take anyone from Calais, unless it chooses.

It would be an echo chamber in here otherwise. You'd just have a bunch of wazzock's indulging in confirmation bias and occasional outbreaks of public self flagellation.

And for the record, I was banned once years ago and didn't bother posting for about a year and then I just tried to log in one day and I've been back ever since.

Hooray!

The "principle" has no basis in international law and goes against the spirit of the original convention. The United Nations itself has released many papers expressing significant reservations against that principle - an example here (http://www.unhcr.org/3f7aa8704.html).

Under the 1951 convention there is an obligation for the UK to accept and process asylum seekers as soon as "they have a foot on UK territory". It's precisely for this reason we have the Treaty of Le Touquete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juxtaposed_controls) with France to allow us to process UK bound migrants on French territory. Should they claim asylum on French territory it would then be France's problem.

Have I just been called a wazzock by someone who doesn't understand apostrophes?

Damn you auto correct...

Your auto correct incorrectly adds apostrophes? Of course.

It's ok to admit when you are wrong BTW

What about the Dublin Regulation (which has been ignored by certain countries in the current crisis)?

Oooh a fucking mistake!

Play the ball, not the man you wazzock's.

I'm not criticising your continuing mistakes; I'm criticising your reaction to them.

Nobody cares what you think you wazzock's...

Yeah, shut up Jhon.

I wonder what Ironside is like in reality? A lot of people's internet persona's are totally different to what they're like in real life.

Not everyones Steve

No, not everyone's. Tans is a cunt in real life too....

And me...

I should imagine he's like most keyboard warriors in real life. A bit lonely.

COME ON THEN YOU FUCKING CUNT!

There you go sweetheart 😘.

Would you like a hug?

Sorry, I thought that's what I said you wazzock's...

Loving your bantz Ironside #onpoint

Sounds more like a frecin economic migrant/easy rider to me.
Then again i have never been to Syria,so i wouldn"t have first hand knowledge.
I have ran the gauntlet of  these "poor souls" trying to get in the back of my lorry in  the Calais  area,on more than one occasion.

Let's all greet our newly arrived economic migrants with smiling faces and shower them all with free housing, free spending money and free white feathers!

Don't worry, they're a very long way from your feather-bedded fascist enclave.

Out of interest, what sort of migrant would you describe yourself as?

You and Jutty are like Waldorf and Statler in reality  :D

Legal.

Lucky timing for you eh? Freedom of movement hasn't always come so easily for everyone.

There's a reason for that.

They're not the love-children of Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen?

That's weak son, very weak.

Try and keep on topic.

Nah, can't be arsed.

Forza Ironside. Watch out for their Muslamic Ray Guns though!

Blast from the past.

The Dublin Regulation is awash with caveats to the point it makes it untenable, not least due to human rights legislation. For example due to a court ruling in 1999 France was found to not be a "safe place" to send refugees facing persecution.

The then home secretary, Jack Straw was found at the time to have acted unlawfully in ordering three asylum seekers to be returned to France...

Mornington Crescent!

Ah I see you've pulled the Mornington Crescent card out again...

Maybe not quite the right place for this, but here's a conundrum. 

Tonight in my local is a fundriaising event for Empower the Gambia, a Swindon based charity.  However the president of the Gambia, has just declared it is now the Islamic Republic of the Gambia.  He wants funds from the Saudis, Qataris etc, aid from the EU having dried up due to human rights issues like FGM.

The Gambia, up to this point, was broadly secular, and very reliant on tourism.

So the conundrum is.... will a donation be a simple act of kindness, or a prop towards a potential failed state?  :hmmm:

Well that depends who the money is going to and what it's being used for, doesn't it?

A bit of pain relief for those poor little girls. Fucking cruelty.

The big love in on local radio at the moment, for the poor asylum seekers/refugee/economic migrants/freeloading pikey cunts in  Calais.
Boils my piss.

Has Ironside found a friend?

This.
They have achieved the aim of fleeing a warzone so register in France and be done

I"ll wager you have never driven a lorry on mainland Europe ?
Great until you want to get the ferry/euroshittle home.
I suppose if i ever get backloaded for the North West,i could run over a few,chuck them in the back and they would come in handy for sandbags.

True. I've never driven a lorry anywhere, tbh. Or been on the euroshittle, assuming I know what that is. I have worked with refugees though.

I am shipping out Sunday evening,will drop you off in Calais if you want .

As grim as it is in Wales I don't think it quite qualifies me to seek asylum!

I was sure there's a thread somewhere for this hateful bollocks........

But it might give you first hand experience of dealing with asylum seekers/economic migrants/freeloaders/pikey cunts whilst not having the comfort of sitting behind  a bullet proof  screen.

Why do the asylum seekers want to come to the UK and not stay in mainland Europe?  :hmmm: I'm sure some have family already here but the vast majority will be for economic /welfare reasons.  If anyone could give another reason it would be good to hear.

Our delightful weather?

Who says they do? In 2014 the UK were only 6th in the EU for asylum seekers. Germany had twice as many applications. France and Italy also had almost twice as many.......listen to the deluded far right fascist twats like Britain First and you'd think  the UK was the number one destination for all of them.

Well the camps at Calais and Dunkerque certainly want to get here at any expense.
The one at Calais being the one pissing off MB at the mo

Perhaps once in Germany/France/Italy(much bigger countries than the Uk)seeing as they have no /lost/destroyed thier id.After a while(never i hope)they gain a Passport and end up in the Uk.
I think we have more than enough car wash "team leaders" as it is.

Well the ones at Calais seem to want to,  that's what I thought was being discussed? Why does having an opinion that the majority at these camps are economic migrants suddenly make it a fascist/far right opinion? I would just class it as a fact. Unless you can suggest otherwise?

The question was "Why do the asylum seekers want to come to the UK and not stay in mainland Europe?". Calais wasn't mentioned.....

Make your mind up. Is it opinion or fact?

Ok. My opinion is that the majority of the migrants in calais are looking to come to the UK for economic/ welfare reasons. Can you give an opinion as to why they are trying to get to the UK because you don't appear to have given one? As I have asked already can you suggest otherwise? Try answering the question this time.

Be nice to hear another opinion without the politician style fluffing around the question. 

Ok then. Here's another opinion.

Borders are just made up imaginary lines on an atlas. I don't see that line when I drive into the geographical area known as "Wales".

Get rid of borders completely. Absolute freedom of movement anywhere in the world. The only rider on this is that we need to string all of the politicians in governments up from lamp posts first as it is they who cause all of this divisive fucking shit in the first place through wars and preferential treatment.

There you go.

Fluffed

Thank you please

You mean like I just said I had?


Christ.