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Title: Mountford Manor
Post by: leefer on Monday, December 30, 2013, 15:57:29
Any of you history buffs have any idea who or what this school was named after...originally called Walcot East Primary.
Have looked for links or any info on the name let alone who decided to name it Mountford Manor.
I had guessed it something to do with the De Montford family in years gone by...have a feeling it could be something to do with Ye Olde Goddard estate or even something connected with the Oxford colleges who owned land in Swindon at one point.

Apologies for boring the pants of some of you but if you can find a direct link it would delight me :D



Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, December 30, 2013, 17:54:35
(http://files.list.co.uk/images/2010/12/15/1292346765-26330x330.jpg)

 :hmmm:


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:03:05
Twins?

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Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:05:50
Any of you history buffs have any idea who or what this school was named after...originally called Walcot East Primary.
Have looked for links or any info on the name let alone who decided to name it Mountford Manor.
I had guessed it something to do with the De Montford family in years gone by...have a feeling it could be something to do with Ye Olde Goddard estate or even something connected with the Oxford colleges who owned land in Swindon at one point.

Apologies for boring the pants of some of you but if you can find a direct link it would delight me :D

Good question Leefer...what you need to look at is Walcot, which was assessed at 3 1/4 hides in Domesday. Of these hides there were a variety of fees appertaining to sub tenants. The earliest in 1086, was Rainald of Milo Crispin, and the next recorded sub tenant Walter Croc, who held half a fee in 1210....

By 124, this half a fee was held by Simon de Montford de Esseleg'...next recorded in 1428 as being held by John Mountford of the Honour of Wallingford.

At the time this half fee consisted of a messsuage, 8 virgtes of land, 18 acres of meadow and 10 shillings rent...by 1523 Thomas Mountford granted this fee to Edmund Bishop of Salisbury, which enabled it to be called a manor. The Bishop applied the manor for the endowment of a chantry he'd founded in Hereford Cathedral, before he transferred to Sarum.

After the dissolution of chantries in 1550 it was granted to Richard Roberts of London, who promptly lost it through fine and recovery to Sir Willliam Sharyngton....his descendant Sherington Talbott was lord in 1640.

Hope this helps  :)


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: leefer on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:10:10
Cheers Reg,i suspected it was to do with the de Montford clan who had land all over(mostly Warwickshire and Leicestershire)

Love to know who had the idea of naming the school it though!


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Bedford Red on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:18:05
We had a De Montford University in Bedford up to 2006, then it merged with the university of Luton to become the university of Bedfordshire.

I have no idea why it was called De Montford before the merger though.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: leefer on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:24:22
Hi Bedford...there is also De Montford Hall a big concert venue in Leicester,,been there,

Where did you get that info Reg...Nat Archives online?


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:28:04
Isn't De Montfort University the new(ish) name for Leicester Poly?  I had always associated the name with Leicester/Leicestershire for that reason.

Donkey will know.

Edit:  And Mauler.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: jutty274 on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:31:58
I had never really thought about it. I started there in 1978 & left in 1985. Plus both my brothers went there before me.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: donkey on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:34:02
Isn't De Montfort University the new(ish) name for Leicester Poly?  I had always associated the name with Leicester/Leicestershire for that reason.

Donkey will know.

Edit:  And Mauler.

Tis true. And DMU had a campus in Bedford and somewhere else (Northampton?). All based in Leicester now, I think.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:40:55
Cheers Reg,i suspected it was to do with the de Montford clan who had land all over(mostly Warwickshire and Leicestershire)

Love to know who had the idea of naming the school it though!

I'm not sure this would be the same lot....your Leicestershire man was Simon de Montfort, famous for introducing a bit of democracy into the rule by kings....he got killed in a battle fighting forces loyal to  King Henry the third.

De Montfort and his successors, were proper big players....I suspect our Mountfords less so, after all Walcot, was a tuppenny- ha’penny place. Half an acre of sodden marshland.  Population: three rather mangy cows, a dachshund named Colin, and a small hen in its late forties.

It was probably named by some apparatchik in the Swindon Education Department, with an interest in local history, which up until the 70's held a surprising amount of power, as central government tended to keep their noses out of education, and there was a heritage of doing things locally. SED used to throw a fair whack at schools...of course in return they expected a big say over matters like staffing etc.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Arriba on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:49:41
As a former resident of Walcot i'd be interested to know about the history of the farm that is now the Jeremy Kyle type trollope's flats?
 There are also a couple of older houses the other side of Buckhurst field too, which look well over 100 years old.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: fatbasher on Monday, December 30, 2013, 18:56:15
During my time served under miss Sands the headmistress of said infants and Mr. Brookes of said juniors, I never knew that....


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 30, 2013, 19:18:33
As a former resident of Walcot i'd be interested to know about the history of the farm that is now the Jeremy Kyle type trollope's flats?
 There are also a couple of older houses the other side of Buckhurst field too, which look well over 100 years old.

http://swindonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/looking-down-on-walcot-in-1950s.html

May be something here for you Arriba....


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Arriba on Monday, December 30, 2013, 19:19:34
http://swindonhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/looking-down-on-walcot-in-1950s.html

May be something here for you Arriba....

Cheers. I'll have a look


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 30, 2013, 19:59:48
Which walcot arriba, the Lennox drive side?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Arriba on Monday, December 30, 2013, 20:55:27
Which walcot arriba, the Lennox drive side?  :sherlock:
just off Frobisher drive(shrewsbury road)
I have lived both sides of walcot. Bought my first house on Frobisher drive and as a small child lived on Cumberland road


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Berniman on Monday, December 30, 2013, 23:00:17
Grew up in Lennox Drive, eventually bought my parents house there until I moved to Covingham, which is where I am now (with a spell in Florida in between)

My mother in law is a cleaner at Mountford Manor and has been for over 20 years, she lives on Frobisher and has done for years...

Boring I know, but true all the same...


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: jutty274 on Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 00:03:04
I was born & raised in Courtenay Road until 16 years ago, now i live in the Parks. My parents still live there.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 13:08:48
just off Frobisher drive(shrewsbury road)
I have lived both sides of walcot. Bought my first house on Frobisher drive and as a small child lived on Cumberland road
Did you know that Gilbert o Sullivan named an album Frobisher Drive :D
Lived there as a kid i believe.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 13:12:02
Did you know that Gilbert o Sullivan named an album Frobisher Drive :D
Lived there as a kid i believe.

Yeah he did. I have seen pictures of him on the street as a teen. He has family still in Swindon and regularly goes to Holy Family church apparently.
My mother in law said he was there on Xmas eve


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: jutty274 on Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 13:14:46
He was the same age as my aunt & they used to hang around together around walcot, the frobisher drive album was only released in Germany it was named something else in this country but i can't think what it was called.


Title: Re: Mountford Manor
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Tuesday, December 31, 2013, 15:06:25
During my time served under miss Sands the headmistress of said infants and Mr. Brookes of said juniors, I never knew that....
Don't know if that is the Mr Brooks who was there in the 70s/early 80s, but that was my friend's dad.