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Is a lying twat

I was listening to the Sheff U commentary last night. Mr. Wilson has been saying that the club was struggling for money when he was here. Heard it come straight from the horse's cunt's mouth and their commentators seemed to think he had half his squad sold from under him.

What a cock.

I heard most of that too and thought what a lying wanker.

In Greer's case he may have had a point.  He certainly wasnt allowed the riches being thrown about these days.

Two words: Joe Mason

We dont like Danny Wilson do we.....!!! I shall never forget that play off season and the excitement that went with it.....back in those days we were know as Swindon Town FC. Not Danny Wilson`s Swindon Town FC....I dont remember having to put up with all the whinging the present incumbant constantly spurts out and we are doing pretty well.....heaven forbid what we will have to put up with should we fall in the second half of this league....

What the fuck?

Sure, yeah. He got us to the playoffs. This must mean that he is completely immune from criticism for being a lying wanker eh? It's alright folks, might as well delete this thread now. Can have nothing said about Danny, he can lie all he wants.

Very harsh, they club sold Cox, Greer, Morrison and Austin from under him, and gave him 70K to buy Elliot Benyon and then wondered why they were in the relegation zone in a such short space of time, so the man only speaks the truth..... 

Do you know he's lying? I remember Fitton being reluctant to pay agent's fees, not being prepared to offer 2-year extensions to a player over 30 and regretting too cheap release clauses in contracts. While Prutton and Douglas won't have come cheap, I'm not sure we were paying the transfer fees then that we have in the last 16 months.

Happy to be corrected if you have the figures to hand to justify this amount of bile.

Cox and Austin could not be kept.
They had no choice with Morrison because a release clause was triggered
Granted, in hindsight, selling Greer was a mistake.

He was no given 70k to buy Elliot. he was given AT LEAST 300k to buy a striker. We know this as a fact because the club bid 300k for Joe Mason.

Wilson had on of the biggest budgets in the division (top 6)?

No, it is not harsh in the slightest. Wilson is a lying cunt.

Ironic, given your complete refusal to entertain any criticism of PDC

Whatever the club's reason for selling them, It does not the change the fact that they consistently sold Wilson's best players from under him, and did not reinvest the money in new players, so the man is correct in what he says

We weren't struggling financially, just trying to run ourselves as a self-sufficient business, which meant selling our best assets and trying to bring in the next big thing on the cheap and repeating the process. Was certainly a policy that made it difficult to create a stable, successful team.

Liked Wilson as a manager, although his decision to break up the Douglas/ Ferry midfield by replacing Ferry with Prutton will long stand as one of the worst examples of mismanagement in recent memory.

Judging from the football they played yesterday, i'm glad he's not our manager anymore.

It's working in all fairness.

Whilst they didn't look any great shakes going forward they were very solid at the back. They were setup not to lose last night, not a horrific tactic away to a team they obviously respected. I suspect they aren't as cautious against the dregs of the league.

Change the fucking record, it's boring. I called him a reprehensible cock just the other day and have criticised him plenty of other times.

During the January transfer window Danny Wilson bid 300k for Joe Mason. That alone makes him a lying twat.

The club was high in the rankings for agents fees that season and also about 6th in terms of total expenditure. I'm trying to dig it out.

Ha ha at all the sensitivity toward Wilson. He's not even here any more.

Wilson had to endure  wannabe manager fittons  continual meddling.also not forgetting loosing many key players and the dressing room cliques. Don't think he is lying and is not as bad as gets labled.

He had at least 300k to spend in January. That is fact.

That proves that he is lying. What league one club struggling for cash spends 300k on a single player.

So fucking what? He got the chop in the end and it wasn't all bad.

Swindon town were the 6th biggest spenders on agents fees that season.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/8f/8c/0,,10794~167055,00.pdf  

This is fact, yet Danny Wilson says the club was struggling for cash?  :hmmm:

A manager will look at the money being received for transfers then compare to the funds he is allowed to spend. For that reason I don't think he's lying.

He was allowed to spend at least 300k on Joe Mason in January Arriba. A lot of championship managers will be happy to have that to spend on a single player.

You were saying? http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/8f/8c/0,,10794~167055,00.pdf

Can't find the rankings for transfers although according to the washbag we spent £740k that season. I doubt many other L1 teams could even come close to that.

However you look at it, when Wilson was here the club sold around 4 million pounds worth of players, and only gave him a tiny percentage back to spend on new players, so he is correct to say that the club either wanted or needed to strip the playing assets for whatever reason, what Wilson said is just a matter of fact.

Thx for taking the time to do the research which I couldn't be bothered to look up. This shows we paid the 7th highest amount in agents' fees in L1 in 10-11. You seem to be basing your case on this and the fact he also had £300k to spend on a player in January. Not sure that invalidates other people's points about the quality of players that he lost that season without the income being made available to him.

But mainly, I just get a bit pissed off by how vein-bulgingly angry you seem to get about this little football lark.

Dont forget Wilson bought Ferry and Caddis for a combined total of £500k as well as an offer for Mason of £300k he bought Yinka Casal for £100k, Mark Marshall £50k, Scott Cuthbert £125k, Aden Flint £100k, Alan O'Brien £100k release fee, Charlie Austin £50k, Elliot Benyon £125k,  paid over the top wages for Douglas, Nalis, JPM, Rose.

Also we signed Austin for a minimal fee almost against Wilsons wishes by Fitton (Wilson did not rate Austin originally) so Fitton should take the plaudits for that one and not Wilson and without Austin in the play off season we would not have been anywhere near the play offs in the first place.

In the play off season Austins goals gained us 19 points (scoring winning goals when it would have been a draw and scoring to draw when we would have got beaten) that would have left the club in mid table without his goals.

Wilson was not as hard done by as he suggests.

Wilson didn't sign Casal, Nalis, Marshall or JPM.

Go back through the thread sunshine.

I opened this thread and had other's jumping on my back. All I've done is produce hard facts to support that Wilson is indeed a lying cunt. People don't seem to like bad things being said about their precious Danny, he isn't even here anymore for crying out loud.

Why are people being so defensive about Wilson?

I didnt say he signed JPM and Nalis and yes I made a mistake about Marshall and Casal.

It still means Wilson spent over £1million on players in his time with us though.

Why a player we didn't sign is used to make a point I don't know?  I'd be interested  to see wilsons  expenditure  in comparison to moneys received .

Because in the interview Wilson said he was not given money to strengthen the team, which is obviously a lie.

Because as per the OP, Wilson was moaning that STFC was struggling for money when he was here. How on earth can he make such a claim when he was given 300k to spend on a single player?

Whether the player signed or not is irrelevant, he was still given that money to spend.

is it?  Where was this 300k spent?

Oh come on.

He was given 300k to spend on Joe Mason. A bid was made and accepted. The player didn't want the move.

Wilson had 300k to spend on a new striker that is an irrefutable fact. How can he then say the club was struggling for money?

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/SWINDON-RIGHT/story-11652876-detail/story.html

Lilian Nalis, Mark Marshall and Yinka Casal were signed by Maurice Malpas

Cuthburt and Ferry both joined for an undisclosed fee

Alan O'Brien - Left when Paul Hart was Manager

But your right Flint was a great buy for 100K

Taken from an Interview with JW just after he stepped down as chairman


http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/9988422.Wray_backs_Di_Canio_s_embargo_pleas/?ref=rss

That's a good find trashbat

Don't think we'll ever find a quote in he future like this from Paolo,  " we don't need to bring anyone in, we've got a great nucleus here "

Compare outgoings to income. Let's see some hard facts in that regard. Rumoured bids that never materialised  don't appear  on balance sheets cannot count in  calculations surely. Wilson will be basing his view on what was available.

Arriba

If I gave you a grand to buy a TV but you buy a shit one for 200 quid, would you then complain that I didn't give you enough money?

How do we know the board would have given him 300k for every player he wanted? If they didn't think re-sale value was as high as masons, they wouldn't have been as likely to. Especially the way Fitton wanted us to be self sufficient

We don't Dave. But I'm sure Mason could not have been the only player rated at that amount.

I remember a discussion before actually about how only Benyon was identified as a target. If the money was available (which it was), why didn't they have another suitable target to spend it on?

OK I'll take your point, though to be fair I think what he said was "Swindon was struggling for money", which wasn't necessarily a lie. The club was still spending quite a bit in clearing debt and conducting legal cases, which hampered what might otherwise have been made available for players or development, and shows how much we're benefitting now from that surgery. I'll agree he certainly spent enough to have a competitive squad that year.

I suppose I'm only being a bit defensive about your virulence because I think Wilson was a decent bloke who was extremely badly let down by his players. He was weak in a crisis, but I can't bring myself to resent him as much as you do.

I don't resent Wilson, just passing comment on an observation. I'm surprised at the vehement defence of him.

WTF? Wilson was given money to spend and HE didnt spend it, so the money way there??? I personally never rated Wilson anyway he was a bad motivator and poor tactitian and he always had excuses like Paolo as its the managers arsenal, as for players sold its hardly 4 mill when he sold austin for 1.2m Cox for 1.5m Morrison for 80k Greer for 200k and the 2 lads from the yoofs in Stephens and Henshall for about 100k between them.

You're quick enough to give us "facts"
Provide the figures i keep requesting.

Wilson clearly thinks there was an issue with money. Provide the evidence to prove him a liar. Then i'll withdraw all my comments and apologise

I'm not sure you're being entirely serious now Arriba.

If Wilson was given 300k to spend on a player, how could he say the club was struggling for cash? We could have sold 20m worth of players, he was still given money to spend and as per a link which trashbat provided he chose not to.

I'm not defending his record, and there have been several good posts showing what was made available to him. Just think "lying cunt" is a bit harsh based on what he actually said.

I haven't quoted figures for players(although i'd like to see them for outgoing and incoming players)
Not convinced your figures are correct though.

Let's not forget the chairman at the time got involved heavily with player activity. Wilson was not given the freedom that Di Canio gets.

What does it matter what we received in transfer fees? He was still given money to spend and didn't even spend all of it.

I am being serious.
That 300k is rumoured not a fact and it wasn't even spent. If so where?

That link quoted by Trashbat was not a direct quote from Wilson. At the time he may have still thought things were not too bad? Who knows..
How do we know he didn't change his mind and ask for funds for different players and those requests refused? With Fitton in the chair at the time i think it's highly likely. If Fitton didn't fancy the player i'm sure he wouldn't have asked for funds. How do we know that money that was previously available was not then withdrawn?
We don't,it's all guesswork.
Income vs outgoings. Let's see the facts.

It IS fact. http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/SWINDON-RIGHT/story-11652876-detail/story.html

The bid of around 300k was made and accepted. This is a nailed on fact.

"thought to be £300,000,". Not quite nailed on..

the bid amount was rumoured,although a bid being accepted is a fact.

All my points still stand though. What if that amount was available for that player only,and other funds refused?

Please don't start splitting hairs, there's no need and it doesn't make any point.

That a bid of around 300k was made is a fact. It could have been less, could have been more.

Cox – 1.5
Austin – 1.5
Morrison – 250k
Greer – 250k
Henshaw – 250k
Stephens – 100k

If you want to delude yourself that the club gave all these millions to Wilson to spend, and he decided not to then go ahead, but in reality the board sold every senior and youths asset they had, and in comparison to the money they made from these transfers they gave him a very small percentage, selling just under 4 million worth of players and then giving out an alleged 300K (and local papers always big it up so it probably nowhere near that amount anyway) in return does not sound like a good deal to me.

If they would let him spend 300k on Mason then why not another talented player?

You are fucking deluded, we didnt get anywhere near that amount for those players my figures were the officially released figures from the club in club balances, go fucking check them out for yourself instead of making up figures to suit your arguments.

And Wilson didnt just get an alleged 300k to spend he actually spent 1.3million as stated on flint ferry caddis cuthbert austin and benyon.

he sold 3 mill and spent 1.3 mill and that 1.3 mill would have been 1.6 mill if mason had signed

indeed

it seems as though most transfers now are done with payments split up into various clauses depending on the player scoring a goal against man united on a day starting with the letter T in the spring of 2015 and so on. the figures quoted are almost certainly a long way from any initial fees received which would then presumably be available to be used as money to purchase new players.

whilst wilson's comments certainly don't appear to be as close to the truth as we believed, i don't think calling him an outright "lying cunt" is entirely fair. fitton's transfer policies were one of the many contributing factors in our absolute failure to capitalise on the progress made in 09/10 and subsequent relegation the following season.

Flint – 100k
Ferry – nominal fee
Caddis – nominal fee
Austin – 20k
Cuthburt – nominal fee
Benyon – 100k

220k

Totally deluded....

Dont be a cunt, you obviously know fuck all since when has 350k + add ons been nominal?

Ferry + Caddis
http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=206550

Benyon 150k+

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Benyon-s-transfer-Robins-exceed-163-150-000/story-11748073-detail/story.html

Cuthbert 100k+

http://board67.com/celtic-related/2094-scott-cuthbert-signs-swindon.html


Now you show me where you got your figures from?

I thought there was always decent money available to Wilson, provided it was a young player with a high chance of making a decent return within a couple of seasons. But that meant the rest of the team had to be built with cheap players and the older players would only be offered short term deals. This did cause a problem, see Greer and Paynter for example.

Wilson had to run things on a budget and keep selling players to balance the books. Whilst we'll have to wait until the accounts are published to see for certain, I'd imagine Paolo has been given a lot more money than Wilson ever was.

Think some people are trying to re-write history.

These are not official figures, they are opinions from people who are as deluded as you, Caddis, Ferry and Curhbert were cast offs  from the Celtic youths, and cost next to nothing, why would any of those players of had a market value of anywhere near 150k? Swindon would be lucky to get that for Ferry now! dream on.....

Perhaps the £300k was made available for a specific target on the understanding that extra player sales would then have been required. As it was, 'only' spending £70k on Benyon meant that was no longer necessary.

The club didn't want to sell Austin Nev. They tried to keep him only for him to put in a transfer request. With that in mind, it would make no sense for them to then expect Wilson to sell players, especially not after we did get the money for Austin.

I wouldnt say caddis was a cast off from the youth team, he played against barcelona dont you know ;) . I was under the impression we paid 350k for him and ferry in a joint deal

wash your mouth out.

Andy King all the way 8)

I'm not joking, I would have Wilson back here any day, a top man and a top manager. 

I wouldn't have Wilson back, he was a good club manager but not someone who has the passion/drive that PdC has IMO. PdC gets a lot of stick but he is still a rookie manager in only his 2nd season and I'd rather him than Wilson.

 You're not going to budge from your one eyed view, which was unnecessarily harshly put in my opinion. You didn't address my comment, and 'sense' does not always come into it.

Oooh, get you. Getting all arsey just because I don;t agree with you. Can;t you think of a counter argument Nev? Don't like the message so attack the messenger.

Think I might start calling Wilson a cunt more often. What a reaction.

I think your poor punctuation might upset Nev more

You're the one who's posted about 30 times and got increasingly defensive you stupid cunt

Just read all through this and all I can say is

Good fucking lord !!!

*defending myself again*

Go back through the thread numbnuts. I posted the thread and everybody else started getting arsey because bad things were being said about Wilson. Much to my amusement I've been watching people getting increasingly irate because of an unhealthy love in for Wilson.

Wilson seems a very touchy subject, it even compelled Nev to contribute more than just a pun

No, you've been drawn in to several arguments, failed to prove your point and as such are attempting to pass it off as a wind up "for your amusement."

Accept you've made a fool of yourself and give up. It happens to the best of us.

One day it might even happen to me ;)

:)

I actually agree with Dave for once.

I know Flashheart likes a good debate, but you're just coming across now as someone who's arguing for the sake of arguing.

My word.

No more discussion then.

Huzzah !

It's got to be time for a cute picture of some kittens.

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you're doing it wrong.

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As you started the thread, perhaps you could tell me where the message came from then?. My counter argument was in my post, i.e. that we don't know what the actual conditions of Wilson being allowed to bid that much for Mason were. You chose to ignore that.

Another kitten.

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Leave 'im Nev, 'e ain't werf it.

And please don't criticise my spelling.

If this is being dropped then that should go for everybody.

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"Just because you're losing"

 :popcorn:

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When Wilson first came to the club, he was lauded as the Messiah (remember boxing day at Orient?) The season he got us to the playoffs he was admired and respected. The following season he was labelled a clueless, inept manager and a bottler. That's football management.  I've got good and bad memories of his tenure, but ultimately he was found wanting (whatever the reason) and was given the elbow. It's only natural for someone who's been sacked to come up with excuses.
I bet we'd hear the same shite if PdC was ever given the boot.

Post a picture of a kitten or jog on.

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A kitten and a puppy.

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But no pussy

I can see why SWP thinks were an intelligent bunch.

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Perfectly put  :D

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I think it's about time we had a retrospective on Danny Wilson...it's still a mystery to me how, it went so wrong. He obviously signed some confidentiality clause when getting his pay off...so we're free to speculate  :hmmm:

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I fucking hate Cats.

I wasn't wound up nor am I particularly  fond of Wilson .just saw sometging I disagreed with so made some points of my own. Love a bit of pussy by the way.

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I once ran over a dog.

It was actually dead already. I could see it ahead of me in the road but didn't have enough time to avoid it so I had no choice but to drive right over it. The fact it was already dead didn't make the sound of it hitting the bottom of my car any less gruesome. I had a full car and we all shuddered.

Just a cheerful thought for you all.

My wife hit a magpie once, the feathered thing was so interested in badger guts it didn't notice our car hurtling towards it on the Salisbury to Weymouth road. It gave her no comfort when I informed her that her actions will have saved some innocent chicks in their nest somewhere. Every time we go past the spot I remind her of her murderous actions.

Certainly not as horrific as a dog though  :eek:

I hit a fox that ran over 3 lanes of that bypass down at Asda to get in front of my car. Fucking thing cracked my bumper.

I ran over a cat once. It was already dead, and just laying there in the middle of the road, glazed eyes reflecting my lights. It was very surreal.

The fella who invented Cats eyes always said that he ran over a cat and the poor animals eyes just before he hit the poor thing gave him the idea that made him millions....he also stated it was a good job he didnt hit it arse on as pencil sharpeners were already on the market.

Danny Wilson. Arguments. Fluffy kittens. Road kill.

God bless the TEF.

My old boss used to eat anything like that, he found a deer outside his house in Blunsdon before and took it to the butchers to be made up into steaks. He is one of those cult lot, The Plymouth Bretheren and they seem to think it is perfectly normal to scrape up anything off the road and eat it, within reason

Haven't checked this thread for a few hours, last I checked people were kicking off and now I've fluffy cats! What is happening here?! Only on the TEF  :D

The cats eyes just before Faringdon are plugged into the mains and light up.

Just thought you might want to know.

Your eyes would light up too if you were plugged into the mains.

I say 'plug' now that might not be entirely true, but there is a plug in the sea.

Is that why the tide ebbs and flows?

Yes.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I know where you mean. It looks ace if you turn your lights off when nobody else is around, I like to play the Tron soundtrack whilst doing it.

I thought he worked for a council (maybe Northampton) so he didn't make anything at all, he was just doing his job.  I could be very wrong on this of course.

A boy told his dad he’d found a cat, that was dead outside on the road.

“How do you know the cat was dead?” his dad asked

“Because I pissed on it and it didn't move,” the boy said

“You did WHAT?” his dad said

“You know” said the boy, “I leaned over and went ‘Pssst’ and it didn't move”