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Title: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:13:03
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/bury-rubbish-rangers-takeover-suggestions-7872370.html


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:17:47
I was just going to post this myself but with a different source.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4385272/Rangers-plan-to-buy-Bury-and-play-in-English-League-One.html


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:21:47
Absolutely no chance this will happen


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:24:08
As if... Maybe they can buy Bury, keep it as Bury, play in Bury, call it Bury Rangers and just hope the smackhead bigots drive down to watch, because I can't see anything close to another Franchise fiasco being allowed.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: china red on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:25:11
This is nothing short of stealing a club.  Anyone at Bury who sell's their shares deserves to be fucking shot!


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: thedarkprince on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 11:55:25
Never going to happen, sensationalist bullshit.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Notts red on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 12:01:46
This news has just been on Sky, Bury say they would welcome any investment but would want to still be known as Bury. A decision will be made in the first week of July. Can't see how this will ever be given the green light and is just wrong.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 12:18:29
I can't see anything close to another Franchise fiasco being allowed.
I also think it's unlikely FWIW but I'd be very wary of putting your faith in the football authorities. They don't have a strong track record when it comes to demonstrating an ability to learn from their mistakes. What they tend to do is assume that "now the fuss has all died down" no-one will mind so much next time. Never underestimate the capacity of a national (or especially international) football administrator to be quite staggeringly wrong and on multiple occasions in multiple ways.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 12:19:07
Absolutely no chance this will happen

I'd put the chances slightly lower than that!


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 13:10:12
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to merge with Berwick Rangers, join the English league pyramid (which no one could really oppose), then move back to Glasgow in a couple of years? They could even pay £2k compensation to each Berwick fan and still have change from £1m.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: walcot red on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 13:18:24
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to merge with Berwick Rangers, join the English league pyramid (which no one could really oppose), then move back to Glasgow in a couple of years? They could even pay £2k compensation to each Berwick fan and still have change from £1m.

Thats too sensible


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:09:34
Well it looks like Hibs, Hearts and other SPL teams wont be visiting Ibrox next season, that's for sure. Hibs, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen are all set to vote no, with Motherwell giving their fans the choice (which will be a no), ICT are heading towards no too. 

The Rangers Football Club, SFL's shame.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:17:26
Well it looks like Hibs, Hearts and other SPL teams wont be visiting Ibrox next season, that's for sure. Hibs, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen are all set to vote no, with Motherwell giving their fans the choice (which will be a no), ICT are heading towards no too. 

The Rangers Football Club, SFL's shame.

Strangely, Rangers get to vote. Could be the only yes they get at this rate!!


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:22:09
I'm starting to think they might vote no in the end ;-)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:29:07
Most amusing indeed.

At least east stirling will get to play at ibrox 2 times a year ;)



Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:32:12
My boss supports Rangers. Its really hard not to take the piss. Probably best not to though.

He's quite odd in that he doesn't think they should 'get away with it' and is quite prepared for the no vote.

He also said the latest is they would probably start in the 1st, because the police were a bit worried about controlling the number of Rangers fans at small 3rd division venues - something else he thought was stupid.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:35:22
I'll admit that if Rangers ever found themselves on our fixture list then I'd probably go to the away game.

They're in a right ol' mess. What will realistically happen to them?


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:35:39
Rangers have no shame. Not only were they avoiding paying tax, they were making illegal payments using the EBT's:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18496571


And a good article about the 'Bury Rangers' story :

http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=19395#more-19395


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:51:18
Are we really laughing at what is happening to Rangers?

No doubt the board and individuals involved will walk scott free while the fans that have done bugger all wrong will suffer. I thought Swindon fans would have known better considering what we have been through.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:52:53
Are we really laughing at what is happening to Rangers?

No doubt the board and individuals involved will walk scott free while the fans that have done bugger all wrong will suffer. I thought Swindon fans would have known better considering what we have been through.

Agree with this.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:55:57
Of course, the football world gave a fuck about us when times were hard didnt they.

Why the sympathy for them?

Maybe im just bitter ;)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:57:30
I don't have sympathy for them, I just don't find it funny.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:58:55
Are we really laughing at what is happening to Rangers?

No doubt the board and individuals involved will walk scott free while the fans that have done bugger all wrong will suffer. I thought Swindon fans would have known better considering what we have been through.

Disagree entirely. Rangers fans are complete scumbags and have wallowed in their ill gotten success for far too long. Love the fact they're in tears over this. Enjoy the SFL you hun shites, you deserve everything you get.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 20:59:52
Actually, that's not true

I do have sympathy for them. The fans have done fuck all wrong and have been right royally screwed over. I know how I felt when the fat Greek cunt was about to bring the club down and I wouldn't wish it on any other club (except for franchise)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:00:44
really jaanage?

ALL Ranger fans are scumbags?


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:03:24
The fans have done fuck all wrong apart from be the biggest glory hunting wankers out there. Thousands of bastards turning their back on their local sides to follow Celtic or Rangers, and therefore create the ugly sister domination that's ruined the game up there.

Fuck 'em, half the Rangers fans are suddenly giving up on their 'beloved' team. Good luck to the decent football clubs they play next season, be great if they don't get it all their own way.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:04:04
really jaanage?

ALL Ranger fans are scumbags?


I've never met a decent one.

And ffs take the comment as intended. Get off your high horse.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:06:03
'Bouncey, bouncey, bouncey, bouncey, nah nah nah nah nah!'

That'll look good at Hampden Park next year, when they're playing Queens Park.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:06:52
Get off your high horse.

Eh?


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:20:02
I do have sympathy for them. The fans have done fuck all wrong and have been right royally screwed over.

How have they been screwed over? They've been benefiting from their club spending other peoples money on players for god knows how many years. What about the fans of other clubs, who have missed out on silverware and European football to Rangers? How about some sympathy for them?


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:21:24
It's not the fans fault.  ::)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:25:15
Some people need to look at some comments on this very forum about how we don't care about what we are spending and stuff.



Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:26:06
It still doesn't rest on our shoulders though, we're not spending the money.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:28:15
It still doesn't rest on our shoulders though, we're not spending the money.

And the Ranger's fans are spending the money?

Have I missed something?


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:37:41
I'm confused...  ???


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:37:59
Pericarp save us.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 21:56:39
I also think it's unlikely FWIW but I'd be very wary of putting your faith in the football authorities. They don't have a strong track record when it comes to demonstrating an ability to learn from their mistakes. What they tend to do is assume that "now the fuss has all died down" no-one will mind so much next time. Never underestimate the capacity of a national (or especially international) football administrator to be quite staggeringly wrong and on multiple occasions in multiple ways.

I realised the error upon reading your post. As a cynical fucker, I'm actually quite surprised at the level of trust I placed in what amounts to a corrupt group on blood suckers only interested in making more money. :)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, June 21, 2012, 22:16:38
I do feel sorry for their fans, but that's the way football is.  Fans turn up, pay their money, but have no control.  It means we can enjoy the good times, and it means we have to suffer the bad times.  I completely agree that it's not the fans' fault - however, you cannot punish the club without the fans being unhappy, and you cannot let the club get away with this.  Unfortunately on this occasion the fans will have to suffer, and yes, I do appreciate that we've been through similar times.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:35:56
Some people need to look at some comments on this very forum about how we don't care about what we are spending and stuff.

Some people may do, but to me if Town spend money we haven't got, and we end up doing a Pompey we should be relegated, as we're effectively cheating, whilst other clubs live within their means.

Rangers have been financially cheating, I believe the quote which the hun supporters loved was 'for every pound Celtic spend in the transfer market, we'll spend three'. They lapped it up, and now we know how they tried to balance the books, but not paying tax.

Other SPL teams have been more money savvie and have missed out on cup final appearances and the related income, whilst Rangers have poached their best players for a pittance.

The Rangers Football Club and Swindon Town's previous issues are unrelated as far as I'm concerned, you only have to look at the sums involved in both cases to work that one out.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:41:43
Ah, right. So, 'it's different' then.

Never mind. Don't want to be getting on my high horse by having the temerity to disagree now do I.  ::) Seems to be a touchy subject after all.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: nevillew on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:43:35
Are we really laughing at what is happening to Rangers?

No doubt the board and individuals involved will walk scott free while the fans that have done bugger all wrong will suffer. I thought Swindon fans would have known better considering what we have been through.
Tee Hee !  (assuming you meant scot-free)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: janaage on Friday, June 22, 2012, 06:46:14
Not a touchy subject at all. We just have different opinions on the subject, no problem there.

I honestly do see Town's woes and Rangers' as completely different. However history helps here to, as the treatment of Spurs just goes to show our punishment was way over the top.

Look at the sum of money involved, Rangers were robbing the tax man of millions of pounds, compare that to the income of the other SPL sides and that's why Rangers shouldn't be allowed in the SPL next season.

And the high horse comment was just a reference to your comment which came across as a bit holier than thou 'let's not laugh at them, we're Swindon fans and should know how they feel'.   

As Hale and Pace would say 'Pope's penis' (no hard feelings).


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, June 22, 2012, 07:07:22
For the record I don't bracket Rangers with the smaller English clubs who struggle, which is when I "think of the fans". Rangers are a big club, with a huge fanbase and play European football. They also play in another country.

Therefore, in my opinion, it is not that much different than Real Valladolid going out of business. It won't affect me or my team and I actually want to see them disappear or have major struggles simply for shits and giggles. Plus, if you're stupid enough to sell to a clown like White and spend like a proper club in a proper league, then, well, just deserts innit.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Joycie on Friday, June 22, 2012, 07:46:29
[url width=270 height=265]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/nodularity/giant_elaine792.gif[/url]

Massive changes to come in the SPL. Celtic won't be happy about all this.

Fuck the fans. They're happy to watch their team rake the money in and watch our clubs suffer. Having the power is absolutely glorious.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, June 22, 2012, 08:20:14
The fans have done fuck all wrong apart from be the biggest glory hunting wankers out there. Thousands of bastards turning their back on their local sides to follow Celtic or Rangers, and therefore create the ugly sister domination that's ruined the game up there.

Fuck 'em, half the Rangers fans are suddenly giving up on their 'beloved' team. Good luck to the decent football clubs they play next season, be great if they don't get it all their own way.

My wife's home town is just across the water from Greenock...15 minutes on a ferry.  But it's a Rangers town, to all intents & purposes.  Some Celtic fans, a smattering of Morton - but 75%+ Rangers - or, at least, that's how it seems.  So I probably wouldn't have put it as forcefully as Jan, but I do agree with the sentiment that the Old Firm strangehold on Scottish football could do with a shake up...at least for a few years.  I know a number of Rangers fans, including my brother in law.  None of them wankers, and none of them taking this well.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Joycie on Friday, June 22, 2012, 08:23:08
My wife's home town is just across the water from Greenock...15 minutes on a ferry.  But it's a Rangers town, to all intents & purposes.  Some Celtic fans, a smattering of Morton - but 75%+ Rangers - or, at least, that's how it seems.  So I probably wouldn't have put it as forcefully as Jan, but I do agree with the sentiment that the Old Firm strangehold on Scottish football could do with a shake up...at least for a few years.  I know a number of Rangers fans, including my brother in law.  None of them wankers, and none of them taking this well.
It will be longer than a few years, the 11-1 voting structure will be changed without Rangers there to help Celtic block it.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, June 22, 2012, 08:25:38
I do feel sorry for their fans, but that's the way football is.  Fans turn up, pay their money, but have no control.  It means we can enjoy the good times, and it means we have to suffer the bad times.  I completely agree that it's not the fans' fault - however, you cannot punish the club without the fans being unhappy, and you cannot let the club get away with this.  Unfortunately on this occasion the fans will have to suffer, and yes, I do appreciate that we've been through similar times.

Not a view point you would have heard in relation to our own situation in 1990, though.  In fact, the most vociferous argument made by our supporters and backers back in 1990 was that the sanction (of relegation) unfairly punished the supporters who had no direct part in the financial irregularities that were uncovered.  Many were arguing for an alternative punishment that targetted the board and other individuals directly involved.

So as a fanbase, we have to be very careful about double standards on an issue like this.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 22, 2012, 15:38:46
Why not let them buy Franchise and move them to Glasgow (as MK Rangers)? Who could possibly object to that (with any credibility)? :)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, June 22, 2012, 15:45:55
In fact, the most vociferous argument made by our supporters and backers back in 1990 was that the sanction (of relegation) unfairly punished the supporters who had no direct part in the financial irregularities that were uncovered.  Many were arguing for an alternative punishment that targetted the board and other individuals directly involved.

In hindsight, our promotions up the leagues was in part due to those financial irregularities so surely the fair penalty was relegation. Sure the supporters weren't to blame but I'm not sure they suffer when the penalty balances things up.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 22, 2012, 15:56:49
Why not let them buy Franchise and move them to Glasgow (as MK Rangers)? Who could possibly object to that (with any credibility)? :)

THink this would only work if Dongs bought Rangers.... and played in the Scottish leagues. The proximity to Corby should provide a crowd sufficient for the land of sweat.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, June 22, 2012, 17:56:49
It would have to be Franchise Rangers - slips off the tongue.

There sure is a large sweaties contingent in Corby - cant move for tam 'o' shanters


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: tans on Friday, June 22, 2012, 18:01:41
Cant the just buy oxford


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, June 22, 2012, 18:08:45
Cos Kassam would put a service charge on tatties and haggis

See the chosen one has stuffed them for another £300,000 last year - but for that they would have made a 10 grand profit - just enough to pay for Benson for a week


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: DRS on Friday, June 22, 2012, 18:48:58
This may sound harsh but i couldn't give a shit.To be it's a different country and a different league.I care as much about Rangers as much as i care about some team in japan.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 22, 2012, 19:49:00
This may sound harsh but i couldn't give a shit.To be it's a different country and a different league.I care as much about Rangers as much as i care about some team in japan.

Bury is technically in England, even up north still counts. Just not as much.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: DRS on Friday, June 22, 2012, 19:57:01
:-) I'm sure you know what i mean.


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, June 22, 2012, 21:19:15
Agree with this.

Word


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: tans on Friday, June 22, 2012, 21:20:44
You have an oppprtunity to sell some tshirts flash surely ;)


Title: Re: Could we be playing at Ibrox next season?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, June 24, 2012, 08:46:14
You have an oppprtunity to sell some tshirts flash surely ;)

Changed my mind....

I'm all for it!