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Title: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: STFC Bart on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:31:22 no apology yet to the fans(even delia managed this 2yrs ago). Praised hart and said it is harts decision if he wants to stay. Also said board meeting this week
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:35:27 Did he say what the board meeting was about? Surely they have a board meeting every week?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:39:47 Where is this written?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:40:40 I really hope he doesn't underestimate just how much the fans don't appriciate Hart....
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: SwindonJimbo on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:41:16 I get the feeling Fitton has lost his enthusiasm for the club, because it is obvious to see that the fans and some of the players are not keen on Hart and that some of his decisions have been very questionable, like substitutions and playing 1 up front at home..:-( Terrible news if Hart agrees to stay IMHO
J Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:48:03 I get the feeling Fitton has lost his enthusiasm for the club, because it is obvious to see that the fans and some of the players are not keen on Hart and that some of his decisions have been very questionable, like substitutions and playing 1 up front at home..:-( Terrible news if Hart agrees to stay IMHO J I hope you're wrong. But I agree that, publicly at least, he seems to be taking more of a back seat than he did in the period immediately following the takeover. I'm hearing very little these days from him both on the vision/strategy side and the more tangible, day to day detail (such as plans for ground redevelopment). At the very least, there is going to be a major reassessment underway following the car crash of 2010/11. Time will tell whether the board's collective heart is still in it. Personally, I don't think any of them are the type of people who would be likely to bail out/sell at the bottom. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:51:36 While I like many appreciate all Fitton has done for us and how he saved our club, he cant escape criticism forever. If Hart is put in charge of this club I think Fitton and the board will need to expect that the crowds will begin to turn on them.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:57:45 If this isn't a wind up I can see the county ground being a very angry place on saturday. Anyone else actually hear this interview?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: dogs on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 13:59:56 If Hart is appointed before saturday i'm gonna change my mind and use that last ticket from the ST. Just to voice my utter dismay that he'll be here next year.
I've already mailed Nick Watkins (not that it'll do any good) and said i'd want a refund for next years season ticket if they appoint Hart. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:01:32 I think we should wait until we get wound up. Bart is not exactly one to offer perspective in his posts, is he?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: nevillew on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:02:49 Sorry Bart, but how the hell can Fitton say that it's Hart's decision if he wants to stay - that just doesn't make sense to me - effectively saying he's the best we can get. (Or you're talking tripe)
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:03:13 The interview isn't up but there's an article with quotes from fitton in...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/9467993.stm Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:03:31 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/9468253.stm
Sounds like he's been offered some sort of role. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: jimmy_onions on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:04:12 "some of the players are not keen on Hart"
Really? evidence? Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: JPC82 on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:04:33 Bart is right on this one, seen some local reporters on Twitter saying how shocked they are that the job is Harts if he wants it
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:05:15 There's lots of fluff at the start. but it's pretty much all fitton at the end...
Quote Fitton reflected: "The striking problems were never addressed early enough. That's where you win and lose games. "I'd argue that Paul Hart's record, in terms of conceding goals, is OK. You can afford about a goal a game if you want to do well in League One. Statistically, 46 goals conceded in a season is play-off form, but on the other side you've got to score more. "Whilst he's done an excellent job at containment football with the resources he had, the one resource he didn't have was a striker that got goals at the other end. "I think Paul has done much of the job he was asked to do. I accept we haven't got the results, and that's a great disappointment to everybody, but he's done a lot of good things around the club." Fitton accepts the blame for what has gone wrong in the last 11 months and described himself as feeling "sick to the stomach" when Wednesday scored their second. He added: "I had accepted relegation two or three weeks ago as the likely outcome, but it doesn't make it any easier when it happens. "As chairman I have to shoulder a lot of the responsibility because that's what being the man out front is. Maybe I didn't get my message across and maybe we didn't manage to get everybody pointing in the same direction at the same time. "I don't think anybody doubts that we invested in players. Maybe we made the wrong decisions, maybe we bought in the wrong sort of players. I don't know. What I do know is that I feel I have the burden of responsibility for that. "But this is a time when there's a lot of planning going on, a lot of discussion going on and I think it's right the club and the fans should get some direction from the board as to what's going to happen next and I'd like to think some announcements will be made during the current week." Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:08:38 Nnnnggghhhh... it really does seem like he's here if he fancies it. Not sure if he does though right now.
His lack of 'desire' to stay is another mark against him in my eyes. Usually you have caretaker-type managers jumping at the chance, yet he is avoiding making any noises that he wants to stay longer. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:09:15 the little black box next to the interview says it all
SWINDON UNDER PAUL HART Played 11 Won 1; Drawn 4; Lost 6 Goals for 6; Goals against 12 What are we going to do? defend our way back into league 1?? Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:11:17 If this is the case, then we need to use saturday as the chance to show them our opinion, and give Hart as much abuse as we can so that he decides not to stay, if we all rally together, we can overturn this and get a man in that can take us back up to where we belong, not grinding out a 1-1 draw at bleeding Fleetwood on a wet tuesday night. They may take our lives, but they'll never take our FREEDOM!!
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Reeeeeves on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:11:42 Talking about having to shoulder a lot of the responsibility looks like an apology to me tbh. Also sounds like the board are intent on righting the wrongs of this season.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:12:27 Right, we need to make it abundantly clear just what we think of this vs Oldham.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:15:49 I'm all for some honesty in interviews but Hart is just fucking rude. I can't believe there's even a possibility he may stay next season - and I've already renewed my ST
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:17:58 If Hart stays on we wont have a transfer budget we will have to spend it all on media & PR training for him
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:20:44 A lot of fans disagree with the 'disgraceful' behaviour that will take place saturday after this statement, but I care about this club and I want to make it as difficult as possible for that idiot to stay on next season
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:24:51 I'm being thick here, but can someone show me where it says the job is Hart's to turn down?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:25:17 I can't watch the video at work but is this the only quote regarding his future?
Quote Following the defeat at Hillsborough, Hart told BBC Points West he was yet to decide on his future: "There are no sticking points. I've just got to make my mind up." If so, that sounds a bit vague to me... I wouldn't read too much into Fitton's 'praise' as I don't see him as the type to bad mouth someone as they leave the club Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Luci on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:26:45 I really hope the fans do make their feelings clear on Saturday (without getting personal or using violence may I add) if Hart is still here.
Anyone fancy making a huge Hart out banner? :) >:( I genuinely feel that this club is now moving backward as opposed to moving forward and my faith in the likes of Fitton, Watkins and co is being severley tested. I'd really like Fitton to come out and clarify exactly what he hopes to achieve at STFC as right now, its really about as clear as mud. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: china red on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:27:23 Just watched the video of his interview, came across as having zero PR skills and of being pretty arrogant.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:29:46 I'm absolutely staggered that Fitton has offered him a permanent contract. Does he know Paul Harts record as a football manager? Dear God almighty.....
I think I'm going to go and find a sharp object and inflict pain upon myself :suicide: Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:30:19 I don't think I could hack going next season if Hart got the job.
I really hope that's all pleasantries from Fitton. I'm losing faith by the minute after that news. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:30:19 90 minutes of Hart out next week?
I'm not particularly militant but this is ridiculous. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:34:05 I was fairly supportive quite late into the careers of King, Malpas and Wilson, well not so much Wilson. But I can't stand Hart. I think it's because he was rude to Vic Morgan. I ♥ Vic.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:42:44 Andrew Fitton is an agent sent by Oxford to destroy us.
Going by the decisions this season. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:44:59 Where does it say that Fitton has offered Hart an extension?!
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:47:25 seems to me people are jumping the gun here. all the quotes are ambiguous at best. I don't think the managers job is nailed on offered to hart
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 14:52:09 by sacking the managers it shows fitton has fucked up.he'll do all he can to try to make his wrong decisions right ones.nobody likes admitting they got it wrong.that's why i think he delays the inevitable.
his biggest balls up was flogging greer though.he can't do fuck all about that and it's old news,but you only have to look at the goals we conceeded yesterday to see there was no leadership or a voice at the back.schoolboy errors which wouldn't happen if someone was barking the orders. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 15:05:53 I agree the comments are ambiguous but that just makes it more worrying, definitely need to make our feelings clear saturday. At least it will give people an excuse to turn up, maybe that's fittons thinking
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: MichaelPook on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 15:09:11 As long as Hart is at the club I will no longer be attending ... except maybe to voice my opinion on the matter this Saturday
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 15:14:01 I don't think i've ever disliked someone so much. What a rude, arrogant man he is.
I don't want Hart anywhere near Swindon. Very dark days at SN1. I will be voicing my opinion on saturday. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 15:14:51 Jesus that man is an arrogant ignorant cunt isnt he ?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 15:16:20 Jesus that man is an arrogant ignorant cunt isnt he ? Horrid. It's embarrassing watching it. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Tamworth Red Army on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 15:38:10 Get Hart out now Mr F if we want promotion next year !!
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Langers on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:18:20 Get Hart out now Mr F if we want promotion next year !! Or if he wants anyone at the CG next year. Thinking about going saturday now.... Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:20:23 Having seen the video clip, I can't say I'm filled with hatred for the guy like some are. But I'm not sure I want a manager who is so lukewarm about the prospect of managing us on a more permanent basis. (Actually, scrub that. I am sure that I don't want a manager who is...)
It's not the only attribute needed, but at the very least I want to see someone who's up for it and relishing the challenge. That interview was given by a man assessing his pre-retirement options. I may one day need to retract this...but at the moment, I don't think he's for us. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:27:39 Good work Bart.....
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:29:17 Where does it say that Fitton has offered Hart an extension?! It doesn't It does seem as though Hart has to consider some kind of deal, but it doesn't say in what capacity. Taking into account his mood and actions after that meeting on Saturday, I'd say he was NOT getting the managers job. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: nochee on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:33:14 Just to throw a spanner in the works but how many wins under Paul hart in next seasons campaign would it take before the Town End start singing "Paul Harts red and White army"
I'll get my coat Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:38:39 Just to throw a spanner in the works but how many wins under Paul hart in next seasons campaign would it take before the Town End start singing "Paul Harts red and White army" I'll get my coat Very few.. had we beaten Dongs and County, Hart's difficult media persona would have been viewed as Cloughesque. Problem is we didn't.. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:40:51 I reckon he's been offered a role upstairs with Trollope to come in as coach. Seems feasible to me. If the job was on a plate for Hart he'd take it. He's been going on and on about how he's wanted the job for ages now. Unless of course he is worried because the fans hatred towards him?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: anglia red on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:42:05 Agree with Bangkok Red it appears he has been offered a post but not the managers job ,he said that the challenge for next season his one he would like, and he has previously stated he wanted the job permanently so if was offered surely he would have jumped at it and not wanting time to think it over. I feel certain the offer is another post within the club
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:45:24 Agree with Bangkok Red it appears he has been offered a post but not the managers job ,he said that the challenge for next season his one he would like, and he has previously stated he wanted the job permanently so if was offered surely he would have jumped at it and not wanting time to think it over. I feel certain the offer is another post within the club Unless like I say he is worried about the fans now following Saturday. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:46:07 i'm buggered if i can tell what's going on from that interview.
my personal belief is that he hasn't been offered anything. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:54:04 Maybe he's been offered a PR job.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 16:56:15 i'm buggered if i can tell what's going on from that interview. my personal belief is that he hasn't been offered anything. Why talk about a "decision" though? Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:02:25 Why talk about a "decision" though? Maybe it's the decision on if he'll bother hanging about for the last two games? Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:13:52 I'm being thick here, but can someone show me where it says the job is Hart's to turn down? I must be as thick as you Samdy - all I can see is pretty much precisely the opposite of what Bart claimed in the opening spin of this thread, ie Fitton accepting responsibility for the fuck-up this season has been (repeatedly) and no mention of offering Hart the job. The polite praise without any such mention reads very much as a "thanks for all your efforts but it just hasn't worked out" style comment aka "don't let the door slam on your arse on the way out". Does Fitton say anything different in the TV interview then (can't see it from work) or is this the usual "2+2=Hart's going to be allowed to come round all our houses and poo on the carpets"?Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:27:17 Maybe it's the decision on if he'll bother hanging about for the last two games? Yup let's hope so. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:29:13 I just got a reply off Nick Watkins regarding the e mail I sent about Paul Hart's rude, arrogant and unprofessional way he conducts himself in the media......
Dear Ralph, Thank you for your e-mail and the content noted. Saturday was a somewhat emotional and disappointing day for so many, many fans and of course for those of us who work tirelessly off the field trying to re-establish the club’s reputation. Let’s all hope that these are the darkest moments before a new dawn. Best wishes and thank you for your kind comments. Nick Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pericarp on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:40:47 For god's sake. I just read the BBC article and Fitton seems to be happy with Paul Hart.
He's happy we conceded less with him. WELL MR FITTON, YOU'RE GOING TO FUCKING CONCEDE LESS IF YOU PLAY 4-5-1 EVERY SINGLE GAME. EVER REALISE THAT?? Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:41:31 I don't think that any fan wants to hear that their glorious leader needs to think about continuing as manager. Hart should know the problems within and be chomping at the bit to sort it out over pre-season.
Paul Hart is an dour member of the old school and it'll take a monumentous change of personality and tactical idealogy for him to win over the majority... Like Maurice Malpas, like Danny Wilson (in terms of popularity). Like with Iffy Onuora when 2005/06 came to an end, I think the club needs to start a fresh and I honestly think Paul Hart knows this. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:43:28 For god's sake. I just read the BBC article and Fitton seems to be happy with Paul Hart. Oh FFS. Never heard of a polite brush-off then?Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:48:03 I don't think that any fan wants to hear that their glorious leader needs to think about continuing as manager. Hart should know the problems within and be chomping at the bit to sort it out over pre-season. Exactly right. It's almost as if he wants fans to chant his name before he 'decides'. Sorry, but you have to earn that right. He comes across like someone who thinks he is doing us a favour by stepping down to our level. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:48:51 Got to agree with PaulD. Has no one else ever been given, or given, a crap appraisal? "Does good work around the club?" Might as well put he 'makes a decent cup of tea' it's so bland.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:49:05 No that was Colin Todd that told us he had dropped down to our level!
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:50:23 Got to agree with PaulD. Has no one else ever been given, or given, a crap appraisal? "Does good work around the club?" Might as well put he 'makes a decent cup of tea' it's so bland. "Any employer would do well to get him to work for them" :)Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:53:04 Oh FFS. Never heard of a polite brush-off then? Neither have you, I've been trying for years. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:53:52 Neither have you, I've been trying for years. That's hand-job you're thinking ofTitle: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:53:58 Exactly right. It's almost as if he wants fans to chant his name before he 'decides'. Sorry, but you have to earn that right. He comes across like someone who thinks he is doing us a favour by stepping down to our level. you are normally a voice of reason on here.over the last few days you seem to have lost your rational thinking ability. no offence intended. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Processed Beats on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:54:07 What's Nick Watkins email address?
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:56:05 Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 17:56:55 That's hand-job you're thinking of Well it would take my mind of the second half. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:05:42 I must be as thick as you Samdy - all I can see is pretty much precisely the opposite of what Bart claimed in the opening spin of this thread, ie Fitton accepting responsibility for the fuck-up this season has been (repeatedly) and no mention of offering Hart the job. The polite praise without any such mention reads very much as a "thanks for all your efforts but it just hasn't worked out" style comment aka "don't let the door slam on your arse on the way out". Does Fitton say anything different in the TV interview then (can't see it from work) or is this the usual "2+2=Hart's going to be allowed to come round all our houses and poo on the carpets"? I'm in the Paul & Samdy gang. I can't see anything remotely to suggest he will get offered anything whatsoever by the club.Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Dirk Diggler on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:06:47 It doesn't It does seem as though Hart has to consider some kind of deal, but it doesn't say in what capacity. Taking into account his mood and actions after that meeting on Saturday, I'd say he was NOT getting the managers job. I agree with this whole"hart"edly. Hart has stated on numerous occassions that he wants the managers job. If it had been offered he would NOT, in my opinion, have had a decision to make. Therefore, as per my observation last evening I believe that he has been offered the "DOF" role, OR, GOD FORBID the assistant managers job, hence the decsion. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: BANGKOK RED on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:07:16 I think he's been offered something.
But nowhere near what he was hoping for. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:07:54 I'm in the Paul & Samdy gang. I can't see anything remotely to suggest he will get offered anything whatsoever by the club. Me, too. I suspect Reg's congratulations to Bart tells its own story. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:11:26 Sweet. Baby. Jesus.
I've just seen the interview. I thought 'The Smoking Chimp' was the biggest toss pot on the face of the earth but I would rather have him in charge right now. That is how much I fucking hate Paul Hart. Fitton needs to end this now and get rid immediately. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:18:45 you are normally a voice of reason on here.over the last few days you seem to have lost your rational thinking ability. no offence intended. There's no rational thinking ability normally! It's just my impression of Paul Hart's interviews, he seems very arrogant whether he means to be or not. But don't get me wrong, I'm not going to email Nick Watkins or ask for a refund. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:27:38 I say we go all out to get tisdale and break the bank to do it...would indicate a message of intent from the board to the fans and perhaps even get a few more season ticket sales...
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: dogs on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:35:18 I, for one, definitely don't think he's been promised the job on a full-time basis going on what i've read. However, I just couldn't imagine starting another season with him in charge and thought i'd just let Mr Watkins my feelings on the matter if he did.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: knifey spoony on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 18:45:02 "I think Paul has done much of the job he was asked to do."
I'd like Fitton to elaborate on this really. I'm struggling to think of what targets he'd have been given other than keeping us up. If it's true that Hart has an offer in front of him, that ruins any faith I have in Fitton as chairman. Needless to stick with Hart now, he needs a fresh approach and to start listening to the fans. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Spencer_White on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 19:29:54 I think Hart is enjoying winding the fans up, I dont think hes been offered the job as manager, but he knows we'll be here to clear up the mess if the fans start throwing a screw loose. He wont, he doesnt give a shit.
I would appeal for fans to behave on saturday. The last thing we want to do is go and disgust the board so much they pull out. I honestly think they wouldnt be that dissapointed to have an excuse. Do any of our fans have the stomach to go through the nightmare Stockport have been going through? Lets try and end the season at the CG on a high? It might make all the difference over the summer. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: leefer on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 19:32:16 I say we go all out to get tisdale and break the bank to do it...would indicate a message of intent from the board to the fans and perhaps even get a few more season ticket sales... Would like him here. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 19:34:12 Me, too. I suspect Reg's congratulations to Bart tells its own story. TCP aka WUM joining in was the clincher for me :)Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:32:00 I'm in the Paul & Samdy gang. I can't see anything remotely to suggest he will get offered anything whatsoever by the club. It was my gang and I started it first.However after hearing the interview, I'm worried... this bit in particular: Interviewer: You said at the end there that you wouldn't be certain you'd be here next season, why's that? Hart: Well I have a decision to make, whether to be here or not, simple as that. Interviewer: is it in your hands or the chairman's hands? Hart: No, I think that's in my hands. Interviewer: So the offer is there for you to stay should you wish to do so? Hart: I think so, yeah. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Spencer_White on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:34:36 Paul Hart out to wind up our fans, getting his own back. Deffo.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:35:16 I think Spencer's right, he's getting his own back by taunting fans. Which I'd ordinarily dismiss as being so spectacularly childish as to be a ridiculous idea, but after Saturday's "Yeah I know" Andy & Lou effort, it's actually credible
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:36:42 That has to be the only logical explanation, ever since the long meeting and subsequent petulant interview on Saturday. I genuinely cannot imagine Fitton considering him for a second, let alone leaving the decision up to him
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Weasel on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:43:48 I think Spencer's right, he's getting his own back by taunting fans. Which I'd ordinarily dismiss as being so spectacularly childish as to be a ridiculous idea, but after Saturday's "Yeah I know" Andy & Lou effort, it's actually credible I liked this enough to finally do an avatar. Albeit a rubbish one. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: nochee on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:46:28 That has to be the only logical explanation, ever since the long meeting and subsequent petulant interview on Saturday. I genuinely cannot imagine Fitton considering him for a second, let alone leaving the decision up to him I find it scary that i can imagine Fitton considering him. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:48:31 I don't know what to think.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Kimstfc1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:50:10 At Hillsborough on Sat we heard two rumours:- 1 - that Harte had been offered the post of Director of Football with Bodin as manager and 2 - that Harte had been offered Director of Football with Trollop as manager. Neither is acceptable. Fitton pull your finger out and get a decent management team not a cheap option!
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: aroundthefur on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:55:02 Aren't they just rumours people have read on here from last week though? They had already been doing the rounds.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:55:41 I don't know what to think. That 'be good to yourself' baconnette medalions are unacceptable. (Sorry Nemo...but for fucks sake!) Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 20:55:52 This is my thinking on what Fitton is considering. Whether it is right or not is another matter but this might be how it goes.
Maybe Fitton has decided to offer Hart a Director of Football role with him responsible for player recruitment and ensurig we bring through or pick up younger players with potential. Hart before his time as some sort of relegation firefighter had a good reputation for this at clubs like Leeds and Forest. After the mess up in this years signings, maybe Fitton feels he has to take a back step on this, leave it to someone in the game rather than an enthusiastic amateur or given his lower profile this season doesn't have the time to commit to this (with his other business interests). That leaves who is responsible for picking the team and they may decide to go for Ian McPartland as First Team coach. He did a good job at Notts County before and after the Munto Finance take over and maybe Fitton is impressed with his knowledge of League Two and how to get out of it. If this was the case, then Hart's comments might be he thinks he should have the managers job but is deciding whether he compromises and maybe his self opinion thinks he should have it. My personal preference would be to get someone in the Wise/Poyet mould of 2006/7 or day I say it McMahon in 1995/96 and get momentum early in the season. I can't see Fitton taking a gamble on a player manager as he'll want to get us out of League Two as quickly as possible so will want someone who has a record of doing that. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Weasel on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 21:04:16 I agree - think the offer is Hart as DOF and McParland as manager. Reckon they like the latter because he's a bit feisty. Budgie with brains...
Hopefully Hart won't want that. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: SCM on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 21:08:57 I'll be shocked if Hart's arrogance doesn't get in the way of that move.
It's like taking your best mate to a party and he ends up fucking the girl you've fancied for ages. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the 'decision' he's on about though. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 21:09:24 Ha, ha love the avatar Weasel!
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 06:11:27 BBC Tinpot is tweeting that an announcement is expected today on the manager's job.
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Luci on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 06:27:25 Based on the volume of hatred for Hart, I think many would be extremely pissed off if even offered the DOF role.
It's his attitude more than anything - I'd personally like him to have nothing to do with us whatsoever in any capacity. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:21:31 I'd personally like him to have nothing to do with us whatsoever in any capacity. You and about 95% of Town fans including me Luci! Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:34:17 I would actually say it's higher than that :hmmm:
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: MichaelPook on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:36:11 lets hope Fitton listens to the fans while he still has some to listen to
Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:43:55 Vic was certainly making plenty of references to what today might bring in his tweets.
I wonder if he's plotting an attack on Hart. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:45:14 That 'be good to yourself' baconnette medalions are unacceptable. (Sorry Nemo...but for fucks sake!) Haha. Let Fitton know that I'll eat proper Bacon if he gets shot of Hart, seems like a fair deal! Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: london_red on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:50:22 It's pretty incredible how far his stock has fallen with the fans since (allegedly) smacking a Pox fan.
If someone deliberately did everything they could to antagonise their fanbase they'd struggle to do a better job than Hart. Title: Re: latest from fitton(source BBC) Post by: DA15red on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 07:53:43 Two games left to go and already relegated. I suggest for the last two games Fitton does an Apprentice style on the job interview for his shorlist. Margaret (not Karen!) can follow the red team (home) and Nick the white team (away). At the end of it one of them is hired. In the episode tonight Hart will hopefully be fired despite bringing Wilson and the fans into the boardroom with him.
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