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Was the kid in the Space suit the young Amy Pond?

Or the young Amy Ponds child.

Or the young River Song, given they are going in opposite directions.

Or something else:)

Or Both.

And if Amy's pregnant, why was she drinking wine at the start? That's not a very good example to set is it?

I think we've missed they key point that Amy Pond is carrying a child that isn't mine. This is a disgrace.

Very confusing first episode.

Still don't understand the whole River Song thing, how they're going in opposite directions?

Plus, if the Doctor was killed at the beginning, surely that means there'll be now 12th incarnation?

But yeah, Amy "Legs" Pond would get it.

Being both time travellers they meet at different points in there personal time lines. The first time the doctor meets River Song was in the Library two parter with Tennant, where she dies, sort of. From her point of view then all the stuff we're seeing now would have already happened or something. And although that's already happened to the doctor, to the River Song in Saturdays episode it hasn't happened yet. Simple.


He started to regenerate but then just got shot again, killing him permanently. You know it will be all solved with some wibbly-wobbly crap which sort of takes away some of the dramatic tension. Although I suppose you could say that about any time the doctor is in danger.


yep.

Did someone call for a gratuitious photo of Karen Gillan?

I think they did...

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God.

Damn.

Thanks. That's another pair of pants spoiled

She likes blokes who eat proper bacon - like me, not the fucking gay stuff you eat.

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hypnopond

All Glory to the Hypnopond.

Now that's an alien I'd like to see on Dr Who

Can anyone explain the ending?

I assume that kid is a time lord, with the suggestion that it's Amy's kid?

I guess so cos she was regenerating.

What I don't understand is if Dr Who is a traveler why has he got a phone box and not a caravan?

Total guess but the child is the daughter of Amy and Rory who instead of being born with a 'time head' was born with some Time Lordy type stuff. The child will grow up to be River Song, hence the fact she can fly the TARDIS and all that.

That's down to the chameleon circuit being broken.

Other possibilities - it could be the Dr and River's child. Or the Dr. And Amy's child (lucky sod!). :)

I only just got to watch it. It could be the Doctor's Daughter from that titled episode in Tennant's run. The one who was not only played by Davison's daughter, but is also now has a kid with Tennant. Doctor Who can be somewhat incestuous.

Also I thought that second part was rather good. It jumped a bit in parts, and ran out of steam in others, but on the whole it was much tidier than the first one. Without really tying much together.

There's a few huge problems though. The Silence/Silents didn't seem to have any trouble killing that star trek bird in the toilets in ep 1, so why didn't they just wipe them all out. I guess it's because of something to do with Amy's apparent Schrödinger's child, but it does seem strange.

The rest of it was pretty cool. River a bit obnoxious again, after I liked her last week. Her action shooting scene went on a bit and was a little over the top. The doctor's reaction to her kiss was perfect though.

I think the whole style of the episode came together much more to day. A lot of the camera angles and lighting were very much straight out of sci-fi horror, it will be interesting to see if they can keep that up. They were pretty successful with last years fairy tale theme.

I'm worried that the whole thing might get a bit lostesque. We've got multiple threads of story (like the proto Tardis from The lodger last year) across multiple time lines going in different order. The whole thing could get a little bit too much. At the moment though, I'm looking forward to unravelling it.

But she was cloned from the Doctor in that episode, so no.

How does cloning stop it being her? It's clearly Amy's Schrödinger baby anyway, so it's a bit immaterial,  but I don't see why the cloning would stop it being her.

Interestingly it was Moffat who requested that the clone from The Doctor's Daughter didn't get killed off at the end of the episode.

Because Jenny in that episode is created through a progenation machine that creates her as an adult soldier near instantly. She was never a child, so hence can't be this child

Ahh I hadn't ruled out non-children regenerating into children. The doctor seems to gradually get younger so I can't see why it wouldn't be possible. It might even make sense if an 8 year old clone regenerated into an 8 year old child.

e: although I'm pretty sure it's not her. It'll probably be Amy's quantum does/doesn't exist child which ends up being River song and the whole thing is a bit boring.

Toby....
RORY.....
THE TARDIS

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Only just watched last week's episode but clearly the child is Amy and the Doctor's. He secretly snuck some of the Silents' memory-wiping tech to slip one up the ginger minx when no-one was looking. Or if they were, they couldn't remember. I think I might be overlaying my own motivation on the Doctor's here

Tonight's was a bit duff though. Honestly, it was like a kids' show!

Fuck off (he says having not watched it)! Doctor Who and pirates, what's not to like? (I'm probably influenced by the fact I watch it with my kids who were variously unnverved and confused by the first two episodes)

I really enjoyed it, minus a couple of glaring plot holes. It made a nice change from the heavy time travel scary stuff of the last two weeks.

Thought there was a good story in there somewhere, but they totally fucked up the delivery.

Not sure why they bothered with the pregnancy thing again as they didn't tell anything new. Plus the only timelord thing is a bit fucked up as we know The Master is out there somewhere and he's got a daughter of sorts out there as well that they seem to have forgotten about.

I thought tonight's was proper shit. Like an RTD episode at it worst.

Everybody I've talked to didn't like tonight's. I'm starting to think I might have just enjoyed it because it's the first one I've watched as it airs so far this series. That's always more exciting.

There were some serious problems. The pirate the kid cuts towards the start just disappears without mention, why weren't The Doctor, Amy and Rory put in to stasis/lifesupport like the rest of them? Also the CPR scene was ropey as fuck, and there was no need for the pregnancy reminder at the end.

Still, the cowardly pirates scared of the slightest scratch, Amy not knowing and thinking she was brilliant bit at the start was fun. It didn't go too far into a over emotional Father Son thing I was fearful of at the start. Matt Smith and Arthur Darvill continue to completely nail their parts.

It did seem like they'd lost some scenes somewhere though. Ghost-nurse CGI budget ran out? Plain bad editing? Who knows.

I enjoyed it. The last two episodes were pretty heavy so a bit of fluff is good fun. Certainly one of the weaker episodes since RTD left.

That didn't make sense either. Why would you be worried about someone with a sword cutting you when you've got a gun that you can blow their brains out with? Surely the sensible thing would have been to shoot the person with the sword rather than putting your gun down.

The computer doctor thing trying to fix everyone was a good plot, but then you could argue it was a bit similar to the episode that introduced Captain Jack (with the military hospital ship trying to fix everyone). Very similar in that neither knew how to deal with humans. Kind of exactly the same actually.

I'd put it above Victory of the Daleks (although it had similarities) and the Silurian two-parter of last year.

Not a patch on RTD's low points. Fear Her, Love and Monsters (interesting idea, terribly done), Unicorn and the Wasp, Planet of the Dead were all much worse.

I really liked Victory of the Daleks, the Silurian double was a bit meh.

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funny you bring up the Master and Jenny.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1777781/fullcredits#cast

According to the IMDB page, the actress who played the little girl in the opening two parter returns in the mid season finale "A Good Man Goes to War" but is credited as "Young Lucy Saxon / Cole". The original Lucy Saxon, Alexandra Moen is also in the credits.

There's also a character called Jenny, but not Georgia Moffett, so could just be name coincidence.

e: Oh, apparently last year the master was listed as being in The Pandorica Opens, so it's probably safe to ignore all that.

So is that the first time he's ever talked to the Tardis? Reckon it won't be the last.

Good episode - always like the ones where they will in the back story or do Time Lord stuff.

Though I'm still wondering how he got away with stealing the Tardis, where he stole it from and all that stuff.

I enjoyed tonight’s episode.   Even old Rory who is usually nothing more than a waste of space slotted into the plot nicely for a change.  Thoroughly loved the old Tardis junkyard scenes and the subtle nod to all the mechaphiles out there.

Is it me or are they starting to cater much more for an older audience?

Sure feels like it.

Good episode.

It's definitely been on the darker side this year.

I loved the fuck out of that episode apart from Idris being a little too Tim Burtonesque. The charactarisation of the Tardis was well done, but did it have to be from someone who looked exactly like wasshername from the pie shop thingy hair dressers.

If they went even more adult they could have him adding a vaginal interface as he blatantly wanted to do the Tardis.

I thought that was well done, more flirty in the way you talk to an old car or something, rather than wanting to bend her over and fuck her.

There were some really nice lines between them, like taking him where he needed to go, not where he wanted.

Not sure about that. I thought the Tardis was just as up for it as the Doctor.

Right about the interaction between them though, I loved the bit when he said about stealing her and the Tardis said it was the other way round. They played the whole thing as though the Doctor didn't know what he was doing and the Tardis had been in control and looking after him the entire time.

I love that bit. It's something that's been obvious all the way through doctor who since the earliest Hartnall episodes. so it's nice it got said.

Pretty certain River is Amy's daughter, based on what I've read. After tonights episode I'm wondering if the Tardis has got something to do with it, so it can have a real life form of sorts or something like that.

There was that bit in today's about River being the only water in the Forest. Obvious reference to Forest of the dead. Where River dies

I hope River isn't Amy's child. It just seems boring. But it is adding up that way.

I liked the 9/10 tardis appearing in today's, but I'd have preffered something really obviously different like 5's. That would have been ace. But they'd had to have rebuilt it.

I think that was my favourite Mat Smith episode.

Let's hope Neil Giaman gets to write for the show again in the future. He seems like a fan, so he should be up for it.