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Allegedly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iwTAKdDr_c

Seems a bit of a storm in a tea cup to me.

Gray is stuck in the past.

They changed from linesman to assistant referees years ago.

Not the first time Keys has been caught running his mouth off either.

Doesn't come close to Atkinson in my view. Sexism is society's tolerable discrimination.  :nod:

I always assumed that not knowing the offside rule was a fundamental criteria of being a linesperson anyway, at least that's how it always seems in practice

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

It staggers me how this got out. Did a foreign broadcaster pick it up or something?

The mic guys need shooting.

Hopefully this will be enough to get them both of the telly.

The irony is that the lino in question did get the Torres offside call right. So if they're slating her because of that decision they look even bigger twats (high bar, I know but I think they manage it)

They said the comments before the game I think.

Most interesting thing either of them has ever said, in my opinion!  Might start paying more attention to them when they're waffling on about all their boring shit...

Yeah it sounds that way to me.

That lino was cute for a female lino. Got that Torres goal spot on as well.

i see nothing wrong with their comments.
it was not a broadcast conversation so they are entitled to chat about what they like.

Exactly, the mic guys or whoever is reponsible for the fuck up should be dealt with.

So was the one at Rovers on Sat

ha is that why Charlie gestured at her after we scored? What was it he did anyway?

Oh, OK. It was being reported on the radio as a discussion they had after Torres' goal and in relation to that decision. They're still a pair of twats though

I think he was aiming his niceties at the brizzle fans in that small wanky stand in the corner. They were giving him shit everytime he ventured to that area.

I was really unsure if that was a female Lino or not, talk about 2 aspirin on an ironing board!

Keys and Gray  disciplined and removed from tonights coverage, apparently.

They should bin Andy Gray permanently.

What ?,The most influential person in football ?

He is nippy. I know he works for Sky and all and so has to bum the Premiership but his slaverying over the 'best league in the world' does my box in.

Bollocks, one of the golden rules of broadcasting is to treat every microphone as live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMvBLJlqTpw

Should be binned permanently, neanderthal mysoginists.

exactly. And sky can't complain too much as didn't they do the exact same thing to Gordon Brown in the run up to the election?

They did. Just commented to a colleague that Gordon Brown must be laughing his tits off this morning. Or, more likely, a slight twitching at the corner of his mouth, which is the equivalent for him

Fucking cavemen, you can't talk about bints like that anymore, about time they moved into the 21st Century and looked upon birds as equals.

I hope the female assitant linesman does well - she'll know if she doesn't - but for anyone to compare Keys and Gray's comments to a Poxer like Ron Scumkinson referring to Marcel Dessailly a thick n*****  needs their head examining.

Dessailly : World Cup winner & European Championship Winner for his country and a two times champions league winner, a Serie A winner and an FA Cup winner for his clubs, fluent in English and French and presumably a Ghanaian language or two, unicef ambassador etc

Ron Scummer: highest level: Division 2  as a player and a couple of FA Cups with the richest club in England as a manager

yeah but what has richard keys won?

Britain's hairiest hands 1992-1997

well that's a gimme

I've played in a charity golf day about 3 groups behind Keys a few years ago, by all accounts you don't give him any of those...

Nothing yet - he might make a good manager though - and two or three wins would see us shooting up the League

Pfft, Keys would never come to Swindon, not while we have a female physio anyway.

Their comments shouldn't be deemed acceptable because they 'didn't realise their mics were om'. I hope their sweating because the conversation is clearly not tongue-and-cheek so their employers have to act.

I find the idea of their career downfall very amusing.

I agree with them.

Who Gray and Keyes ?

Keys is a tool, in fact both of them are smug, ignorant twats.... they won't get sacked 'cos they are 'Sky Sports' and the average 'man in the pub' think they're both top geezers.

You'd of thought Keys would be weary of 'live' microphones after the Scotland V Faroe Islands debacle a year or so back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axISAvjgX9I

Yep.

Men should officiate men's football. Women should officiate women's football.

Why?

Surely officals should be judged if they are good not if they are a man or a lass

That's how it's historically been. And I don't see why it should change tbh.

Adopted country, he's a proud Ghanaian but realised they were shite.

Any views on living in caves?

Not bad. Not a fan of the whole no running water/electricity thing, but the authentic stone age decor more than makes up for it.

Why....do they do that in Hospitals etc?....why is football different....if it was some female in your family they were taking the piss out off you would be livid...and rightly so.

We all have a laugh(men and woman) but the fact is if me and you said things like this at work,in front of others we would be in deep shit...................its 2011....not 1911.

They got caught....so should take whats coming..............................like men ;)

It's nothing to do with ability/knowledge of the game or sexism. I just don't think it should be like that.

I agree with you Leefer plus that Fucker Gray played for wolves when we lost the semi and was a tosser after the game

 :fishing:

Can men officiate women's football?

Why?........the worlds moving forward,that shouldn't stop at football matches.........most woman i know are just as fanatical as me and you about footy..........not having a go Fola....just my view.

Yes.

Well I don't think that's right then.

Well, that's okay then :)

Well put it this way. On the field of play, if it's male sport, surely everyone on the field of play should be male. Same applies with female sport. It's hard to explain.

Is it hard to explain because it's purely based on some sort of irrational prejudice and not on reason?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism

No its not :D

Ahh how about this. Apart from the players, only the managers and officials have a direct impact on the game. So surely if the players must be male the manager/officials should be to. Same applies to women's sports (but obviously with women).

But why?

I find it funny and see nothing wrong with it. People ain't half precious these days.

Men can't play women's football. Women can't play men's football. Officiating should be the same.
I can get into a real debate if you want, I did a study on prejudice in sport for my psychology coursework a few years back and could whip out some figures if you really wanted? But I can't be fucked, unlike you Ben I have stuff to do and don't spend my time wanking to old Doctor Who episodes every day.
  :smugfu:

Yeah but that's not the point.

Their bigoted comments were around the inferiority of women to understand the rules of football and officiate the game, not whether under the rules of the game it was morally right or wrong.

They are a couple of saggy old dinosaurs making sexist comments; wonder whether Helen Chamberlain would agree.

Perhaps... but your comments on the news that Charlie Austin had handed in transfer request...


... is a good example of modern 'softness', man up Barry for crying out loud :D

I've said worse when we've had women officials at the County Ground.

Cheers, I was about to try and write something like this but you put it better that I would have.

Gray and Keys think they are untouchable, and that is half the problem. Sky are now showing the interview with the pre match reporter saying that he's heard that 'the female linesman is fit'. Apparently Gray is on in excess of £1.5m a year.

The fact is I've seen enough male linemen at the CG which are awful. I don't care if they are male or female, I just want linos that are capable of doing the job.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1349915/Richard-Keys-Andy-Gray-present-tonights-big-match-Sky.html

I bet he would though.

She's run the line at the CG before, and I can confirm she doesn't mind a bit of banter, or at least she grins and bears it because I got a lovely smile from her.

Stupid twats the pair of them. They're outraged that a female official got an offside decison wrong..as if a male official would never have got it wrong..yeah right, course he wouldn't have done. That never happens and certainly never happens at the CG every fucking week..oh wait :hmmm:

They made their comments BEFORE the game, before seeing her in action. In the game, she made the big decision for the first goal correct.

Gray is well past it. I reckon there should be a 5 year limit to being a pundit. How many kids today have any idea who Gray is, same with or Hanson etc etc. I know they were good players in their time but their time isn't now.  

The Daily Mail have probably been bugging Gray since he questioned whether Barcelona could beat Bolton on a Tuesday night at the Reebok (or along those lines).

Anyone who says that is worthy of investigating to see if they have any more gems within their verbal locker!

And they talk the same old shite, week in week out.

 :suicide:Yep, listening to them is like watching a televised version of the Adver forum!

I'm like a woman trapped in a boys body though. :cry:

Andy Gray has left skysports.

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Some good did come from this then :)

Who gets to play with all their toys now then??

This is the most important thing

although i dont care about the comments they made,i do think sky could do with changing it a bit anyway.
get perry groves on there.he is quality

Gray sacked, although not necessarily for his comments on Saturday.

Sounds like this one could run and run

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9373280.stm

Hopefully they'll employ the amazing Peter Drury. He's just about the perfect commentator.

(I don't have Sky Sports and I do have to watch ITV, so he'll be sorely missed if they pull off that wonderous stroke of genius.)

Hurray. Goodness knows how Andy Gray ever got to be this countries footballing oracle in the first place.

He’s fat! He’s round! He's watching from his lounge! Andy Gray...

Gray won't be missed. Unless Redknapp takes his place, now there's a man who challenges Shearer's punditry terribleness.

I wonder what the "new evidence" is?

He made a comment to Sky Sports presenter Charlotte Jackson that was along the lines of 'tuck this in for me please'....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1350425/Andy-Gray-lewd-behaviour-video-cost-job-Sky-Sports.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Whilst I hate posting anything from the Daily Mail - here you go....

This is what he was sacked for...

I think it's a load of bollocks to be honest - talk about looking for a reason to sack a bloke !

I don't like the bloke - will never forgive him for his reaction when we played Wolves in the League Cup Semi Final up at their place, but I do think it's been blown out of all proportion !

Gray has always been a cock, and this just strengthens the case. He's a dinosaur, no place for him in a tv broadcasting role. And Keys has the hairiest hands in show business, which has always made me slightly suspicious of him.

They should give his job to a woman, just to wind him up. Davina could handle it I reckon!

I think it's probably his comments to Andy Burton, which was shown late last night. Burton has had his wrists slapped also.

If there is a job going at Sky...I'll quite happily do it for a tenth of what Gray was on.

That's still £150,000 a year!

Exactly !!!

It's been proved in football that physios are better managers than some 'legends', I think i can do a better job. The problem is that ex-pros don't like upstting their 'mates'. Phone in programmes are so predictable and stale, as they are done by ex-pros or journalists, who don't like rocking the boat

Ironically, the FA are reporting a surge of calls from women interested in becoming referees :D

I'm stunned to hear that sexist attitudes could be associated by any game with Sepp Blatter at its helm, he always seemed such a champion of feminism.

Please tell me Gray wasn't earning a salary of £1.5 million.  Please.

So grateful I don't shell out for Sky.

He's also a strong supporter of the gay rights movement  ::)

One paper quoted £1.7m this morning.

Saying that Lineker, Shearer and co. are not paid small amounts by the Beeb.

Gray will end up as Director of Communications at FIFA, then!!

Ironically Charlotte Jackson is due to be at the CG this Saturday !!

I'm sure the fact that he has just taken legal action against News Intl (owner of Sky) over the phone tapping stuff is purely coincindental to his sacking!

Likely that he'll be dropped from the commentary for FIFA 12 aswell? Let's hope so.

I think you can assume that.

Far too many Scots gits giving their option on English football. Get rid and that other Keys bloke...who did he used to play for anyway...?? But I am afraid it is the whole gone mad if you can`t question women knowing the offside rule....for fuck`s sake.

Glad that total sexist Andy Gray got sacked. No need for it in this day and age.

I hope Sky show some common sense and replace him with a female presenter, hopefully one with massive tits.

Fucking hell what a storm in a tea cup.  Can't abide the sex pervert Andy Gray (See News of the Screws ~ 2008 vintage) but he made a wisecrack about a female lines"woman" when he thought he was off air. 

Let’s face it, it was hardly offensive stuff or even mildly funny but to sack him is an overreaction and a half.  Andy Dunn Screws reporter made a quip on Sunday along the lines that the lino would have the best ironed flag.

There is a place for women refs and officials but without turning this into a terrible political correctness gone mad rant I have to just add.  Yes I would.

That's not what he was sacked for. He was sacked for the video stuff with Charlotte Jackson, and, I'd guess, because Sky knew damn well there was loads more of it that if he hadn't been sacked would have just kept coming.

But yes the whole thing is a storm in a teacup - Gray and Keys should have been disembowelled for being twats, rather than disciplined/sacked for some marginally unfunny off-air remarks

I'm not overly bothered about the comments because they are sexist but you'll never convince someone who thinks otherwise that they are. I'm elated that Gray has left Sky though.

To be honest, if that was their 'banter' it's the most serious banter I've ever heard! They're hardly chuckling away are they!?!

I think they believed what they were saying was true which is possibly why Sky have had to take action.

Sky have had to live by the sword and die by it.

They must have been looking to get rid of Gray as I thought Richard Keys was by far the worst culprit from the orginal and the second bit was the nail in the coffin. Hey-ho. It'll be forgotten within a week and Andy Gray will become a pundit in the Middle East or something.

They haven't sacked him for the comments, otherwise Keys would have had to go too. It looks like seems as soon as this broke Sky's management that he was a serial sex pest around the female staff, the bit on film with Charlotte Jackson presumably being the tip of the iceberg.

Good fuckign riddance. He is, and has always been a complete dick, and easily the worst aspect of Sky's football coverage. Just a shame the chimp is hanging on in there. A more bland and colourless anchor is pretty difficult to imagine.

Sky have a track record in that respect though. They binned off Rodney Marsh and Frank McLintock in double quick time over what exactly I can't remember now but it wasn't that big a deal I'm sure. With that in mind, Gray and Keys should have known better. Stupid smug twats.

I bet Jamie Redknapp's rubbing his hands right now.

He's litterally delighted Richard

Marsh walked for the Newcastle United/Tsunami joke.

Is she doing take it like a fan?

Id slam her

She is indeed top drawer.

Some other bird (sorry that's a bit sexist isn't it?) has been doing it the last couple of weeks. She's ok (I would and all that) but she's no Charlotte Jackson that's for sure.

Amen to that. Hopefully with the air conditioning turned right down.

I really should have read the whole thread.  I missed the Jackson clip, which does appear to be twattish rather than good natured "banter". 

 

Sort of David Brentesque...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsaG3b9uVY

Euuuurgh, who are they talking about? Louise will not be happy  :eek:

Apparently Andy Gray is amongst the people who have made claims against the News of the World for phone hacking. I'm sure that is totally unrelated, absolutely sure...

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AAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH   Fucking brilliant!!!!

If Gray was sacked for those comments (the Wolves touchline, the Wolves pre match and the one to Charlotte Jackson) the world has gone mad, two of the incidents were just a bit of banter and the other one was his opinion when not on air.

Crazy.

It's not like they're owned by the same bloke or anything. Isn't coincidence a funny thing.

But seriously £1.7m a year for that jock twat.

I dare say that SkySports have an archive of incriminating footage of all their major staff in case they need to be 'whacked' by the suits.

Sexism/inappropriate bawdiness is simply the outer shell if Gray is suing Murdoch's News of the World.

Charlotte Jackon is gonna be at the County Ground on Saturday ain't she?

"Doooo you know the offside rule?"

This is like something out of Anchorman.  "Redknapp hanging out the back of it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxr79eRSbNk

:D

I like Souness' kick at the end, almost as if he's saying 'behave' through the power of leg movements.

It's always funny seeing "trendy" middle aged men trying to act cool around people.

Is that Ruud Gullit in the middle looking thoroughly emabaressed?

Keys has resigned just now apparently.

God thats cringeworthy.

Like listening to your uncle talking about 'slamming' a bird  :puke:

Keys has gone now. No more smarmy monkey hands if you watch sky then.

Have you heard his grovelling apology? All banter apparently, but still "completely unacceptable".

The banter excuse might be a bit more convincing if there was even a hint of amusement in the voices of either of the twats.

Fucking pathetic the whole thing.

Was it live on air? no

There must be some right cunt working there to stitch them up with that vid.

Stitched themselfs up.

Err not really, did they post it on the internet?

There's a (fairly) new boss in charge at Sky Sports and some people are suggesting that he wanted rid of both of them and that they're using this as the excuse to do just that.  Probably bollocks.

Pathetic? No. It's hilarious. We should be at the pure mocking stage by now. I think they should have a little rule, if there's big cameras and sound devices pointing at them - then don't say anything that could be held against them.

It's only a television show, I doubt very much that they'll be 'signing on' any time soon. I imagine TalkSPORT have already approached the pair of them.

No...they get people like you to do that :D

Who gives a fuck....if you are going to talk shit..........dont get caught jb.

They were good presenters.......but got lapse and paid the price.

Whether they were talking in private or not, they've lost credibility now with a lot of people...which is career suicide if you're in the public eye.  Keys resigned because he knew he was finished - at least for the time being.  Not quite as serious as Atkinson's comments in 2004, so he may be able to reappear in future after lying low for a while.  But don't expect to see him out & about any time soon.

When ITV get bored of Adrian Chiles then there could be an opening for Richard Keys there.

People wanted them out, that stuff wasn't released by accident. Grey and Keys gave enough rope to hang themselves.

Turned into a witch hunt IMHO. It was wrong, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think the majority of people give a fuck deep down.

There is talk that there was people on Sky, especially the News division, didn't like them. There has to be some truth to that, as within 24 hours after the first video coming out, the Charlotte Jackson video was released on YouTube.

I see Gray is planning on suing Sky.

My money would be on one or both of them having wandering hands and tried it on with the wrong junior researcher or whoever and she's got her revenge in far more effective fashion than a complaint to HR that would just get buried because they're "the talent". So she/they decided to bury them publicly with their own words

 
Good shout.

Keys has already done an interview with TalkSPORT today giving his side of events.

Gray has a very very good case from a legal stance. Big pay-day

Against Murdoch? Good luck with that.

Due process flagrantly neglected by SKY, Murdoch or no Murdoch, Gray will win that hands down with the right lawyers.

I wouldn't fancy taking on Murdoch's lawyers for this sort of case. While other affiliates will continue to drag his name through the mud. I'm sure they have some more interesting footage on hand.

Gray will not risk losing a fortune and perhaps (ghost)write a book.

What due process? so long as the company can show all staff are treated this way, and it's in accordance with their own policy, goodbye Mr Gray.  Regardless of the rights and wrongs, having yourself shown in public saying what he did constitutes gross misconduct I would imagine, no need for warnings.

The clip of Keys is car wreck stuff.  Funny to watch I suppose, but you can't help but cringe.

I imagine they'll be tapped up for some work on a fly on the wall documentary about the womens rights movement now, it worked for Atkinson....

Didn't Atkinson do a wife swap thing with Tessa Sanderson.

Believe me, Gray will win his case, nailed on, Sky have boobed big time.

How?

Ignore whether you think the stuff said was banter, pointless, rage inducing etc.  What's wrong with classifying getting your company name dragged over the national press in a bad way as miscounduct?

As for Key's he's fallen on his sword, the cringeworthy footage of him is not grounds for dismissal whatsoever.

What Gray and Key's said, re: the lineswoman, was not intended for the public domain.

Jeezus wept, thank fuck for Free Speech  :doh:

Robert, get over yourself, and go and vote for Sonny on the other thread

How can they be expected to do their job when those views are known though?  

He wont, no way will he risk other stuff coming out, and there is..

Amen

The whole thing was just blown out of all proportions.

How many on here have been in a situation like the one Keys was involved in when he was talking about ''smashing it'' and ''hanging out the back of it'' etc. Its how guys talk when we talk about women etc.

Bloody hell.

Lets all go and score browney points in the name of political correctness, because taking the line of least resistance is the order of the day in this effete society. FFS  :cry: The inculcation worked on a fair few here. Good boys, pat on the back, now here's a doggy biscuit for towing the line.

18 year olds maybe, but not 55 year olds or however old they are.

Well said JB and Mr Verve

Do we?

I happen to think it's all bollocks, or tits, but that doesn't stop the sacking being completely defensible.  They got recorded saying stupid stuff in their workplace, Sky's name has been plastered everywhere in connection with it, Gray is history.

Surely you have realised by now that free speech does not apply to White heterosexual males.

But your point was that he had a legal case, and he most likely doesn't.  I'm not saying I support the view that it was some sort of national embarassment, I happen to be completely ambivelant to whole affair.

It's all a bit wanky really, but anyone who say's that it isn't fun to see a couple of smug gits like those two get there come uppance in such a stupid way is lying.

I agree with you... i find it harsh, but can't feel sorry for them as they are a pair of cunts. I've always disliked Andy Gray immensely, and Richard Keys is only a little bit better

Free speech does apply......................obscene filth on Audio wont wash in a modern society.


Theres probably a lot of things you wouldn't have said in front of your mum.....think of it a bit like they have been told of by mummy.

Oh come on if you were to see a nice young lady would you say to your friends ''Gentleman, I would love to have a night of love and passion with her'' or would you say ''bloody hell I would love to give her a good seeing to''

gray deserved a warning over his treatment of charlotte jackson(if she was offended by it)but no way did he deserve the sack.
both gray's and key's jobs had nothing to do with any conversation they had when not presenting a show.
i think it's clear that both were wanted out by someone regardless of their behaviour

Are you bent?

The last couple of pages are hilarious. Good work.

I think this is it. You can also bet that replacements will be considerably cheaper.

I'd imagine that Sky have plenty more evidence available which will dissuade Gray - he's just trying to up his severance package a little- expect an out of court undisclosed settlement.

I'm a red blooded heterosexual male, but I don't go around saying any of that. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong

It's just lads talk. Nothing sinister.

Fucking gay twat.

Well my manicurist says it's normal  :girlgiggle:

Yup

So you've never said to your mates "phwoar I'd love to smash her back doors in"?

If what I've read is true, you're hardly one to go on about hair!


I've made comments on attractiveness, but have never said that. Hey ho

Jesus, i've just read that back again, I sound like a right twunk

Saying twunk makes you sound like a cunt.

I've just looked up what twunk meant

I'm going to stop posting in this thread now.

That's a fair point and very well made. Although it did all grow back a few years ago now

He was given a warning after the comments about the lineswoman. Once the Charlotte Jackson video came out he was history. You can tell she wasn't happy with the comments he made

If he was been sacked for gross misconduct, Gray will not get a penny in a pay-off.

I did notice on one of the back pages that Sky are now planning to use the one and only....Gary Neville. You couldn't make it up !!

I might sound snobby, but anyone who says that is obviously a blue collar van driver that listens to Talksport.

I wear a string vest :D

And you drive trucks not vans i believe?

Now is that Keys slang for something kinky?

haha fucking snob :D

Smash the granny out of her? Pound that vag?

Lost me there I'm afraid, we must be rather too civilised here.












You cunt...

I think that's the first time I've been called a cunt.... on here. 

Ah acceptance. It feels good.

 the bird richard keys was asking if redknapp smashed is now married to jimmy glass.
according to yesterdays sun anyway

He will be shattered.

I bet he smashed it

Oh the pane !

grade A cunt

I forgot all about this... Whatever happened to them guys.

I don't see how I am.

put on ya glasses then look in a mirror

Would you smash it tho?

I don't wear glasses.

:clap:

Does anyone have a copy of the Cunt Code of Classification? People seem to be branded a 'Grade A' far too easily nowadays. I blame Political Correctness.

What a surprise they have both turned up at Talksport from next Monday replacing Porky Parry who has left the station

Yep, not very surprising at all. Graveyard to the disgraced/formally respected.