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to all of you in the town end. All of you fans, your treatment of Vincent Pericard was absolutely disgusting.

I hope you're all fucking proud.

Fuck you.

What happened?

Vince had a good game, got tired made a couple of mistakes and nearly everyone cheered when he got subbed off.

Some cunts in the south stand singing not fit to wear the shirt. Thought he held the ball up well today.

a very high percentage of football fans are clueless idiots.stfc seem to have a higher than average amount of cretins in the crowd.

no player who is trying deserves boos-abuse,but this is nothing new from our fans is it

I think we have the normal quota of cretins. It's just that you get to hear them more often.

I wasn't there - but could tell from the commentary that there was a lot of unnecessary abuse directed towards Pericard in the form of booing when he made the bad pass and cheering when he got subbed off.
That's really going to help his confidence, isn't it?
Twats

I thought he played very well, held up the ball well, muscled off alot of their defenders and laid off some neat passes, had a bad 10 minutes and got booed and shouted at, was embarrassed when town fans jeered him off, was no need for it

We had some bloke behind us who was moaning at EVERY player. I think some of you may have described him in the past.

I thought he was MOTM until his misplaced pass! A good majority of our fans have no clue about football, including the muppets around me in the DR stand.

As others have said, he was having a good game until about 10 minutes before he went off. Don't know if he was injured but he looked finished and probably should have been taken off quicker. Fuck knows why people were booing, morons.

I was in the Town End, I did not boo, nor cheer when he was subbed.

Oooooooooooooahhhhhhhh Vincent Pericard!

The problem with Vince is he's a Heskey type player who is in the team to hold up the ball, provide the midfield players with the platform to be creative. He did this very well for most of the game but on a few occasions he did this rather than play an obvious forward pass to Austin or Ritchie which frustrated the fans. He doesn't put in anywhere near the work rate of Austin and that is picked up by the fans and he doesn't win anywhere near the amount of headers he should. I was happy with his overall performance but like everyone else extremely annoyed when he didn't play Charlie through. Plenty of others gave the ball away today and I was completely embarrassed by the way the crowd reacted before and during his substitution.

I didn't think he had his best game today (and for the record, I generally quite like Pericard and have used the "3rd Div Heskey" line Hitchin sets out so well above) but there's no way he deserved booing. That's just fucking stupid.

I thought he was fucking useless but didnt boo. the cunt couldnt trap cement

Booing is out of order, but he was crap today and I was glad he was taken off.

Strange how some folk thought he had a good game and others thought he was crap

As an after thought wonder if the FL show will still be on tonight?

Still on i think

I don't think I've ever voiced anything negative of Pericard as I actually like him, but I thought he was useless today. He lost the ball more than he held it up. His first touch was simply not good.

It might not have helped though that my mate spent the whole game talking about how shit Pericard was and pointed it out repeatedly. When someone does that, you kind of get sucked in.

At the end of the day he's a striker. How many shots did he have? None. I couldn't care less how well he holds the ball up a strikers job is to score goals.

(I didn't jeer him btw)

personaly i thought he was fucking useless, bad first touch, useless at holding up the ball even tho most of you thought thats his strong point and he just seems to panic on the ball and rather play the simple little pass (normally back towards his own goal) having said that it doesnt help when people boo him throughout the match and certain individuals shouting abuse towards him.

I thought he did really well today, good first touch, held the ball up well and did his job superbly. Fucks me off as well the amount of stick he gets, even when he plays well.

Cheers then!!! soapy tit wank don't even get me started on foghorn families abuse of Smith today!!
On a positive note I'm loving old man Nichos winter cardie!

Only when the person they are talking about is a bit shit though. (Disclaimer: I didn't go today so I can't actually judge)

That said though, anyone who boos an individual player is a low-life gob shite of the highest order. Fuck all that 'Oooooh, they've paid their money, they're entitled to their opinion'....FUCK THAT SHIT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPORTING THE FUCKING TEAM, SO SUPPORT THEM YOU CUNTS!

It was depressing listening to some of the wankers sitting around me hurling abuse at every fucking touch Pericard had today. It's tempting to pick on the cunt with the biggest gob, take the cunt down and offer the same to the others, but CCTV would pick it up and you'd get banned. The alternative is to sit and listen to it.

Neither option is really viable, so maybe it's time to think of something else to do on a Saturday cos listening to the moronic fucking clueless cunts is now doing my head in.

Appreciate football is subjective, and that Pericard (and others) has played like a twat at times and has deserved at least moans of frustration, but he had a decent game today. Granted he doesn't score a lot, but his contribution is strong when he's on form, which is why Wilson picks him. He's not the best player I've seen in his position, but the bloke tries hard and as I said, he can be effective as the big man up front.

All you thick cunts who boo him; well done. I'm sure when we get going again, have some success and Wilson is looked upon as a serious contender for some up and comming club as a good manager, he'll remember cunts like you, booing your own players.

Unfortunately it makes all Swindon Town supporters look cheap and amateur. Certainly not deserving of a decent football club, let alone one with a good manager with ambition.

I thought he was shit, no effort whatsoever, glad he went off.

I didnt boo him though, I simply said 'thank god for that'

I've no opinion on him either way, I hoped he'd come good this season and by and large he's been ok, but today he was totally poo!

I suppose if I had to pick a non-scoring centre forward to partner Austin - Dossevi would shade it for me everytime.

Thought he had a poor first 20 mins but came into the game and starting to hold the ball up well, but still won sod all headers considering his height.

I think the pass on the half way line was the final straw for a number of fans, even though Charlie could've been offside, and the TE singing Dossevi's name soon after didn't help.

But the fact that most of the time looks like he cannot be bothered doesn't help his case.

One of the main reasons I go to far more away games than home. You don't get many of the fuckwits going.

God you lot bore me. oh no big mean fans booing players,hardly fuckall said when we were singing his name at walsall i notice.

this is fucking lunacy, he's a town player and deserves us to back him. add to this our other striking options today were:
ball who wilsons as a winger (and did a great job today)
dossevi who everyone moans about as well

pericard held the ball up well enough, when the ball was on the deck he was able to play the simple ball...you know, that old cliche of playing the way you're facing*. yes there were the odd hiccup and his pass went awry but he wouldn't have sunk to the 3rd tier of english football from the heights he had played at unless he had a few cock ups.

people booed and jeered when he failed to control a clearance from a metre away or when a cross went behind him, it's ridiculous.

*something i thought we did well today, we retained the ball and once we got the wednesday midfield pushed back onto their defence we brought the fullbacks into play and spread the play

Are you pissed Don?

Just wondering :hmmm:

I may well 'up' my away attendances now, Sutton. Usually a much better atmos away, and people around you who know a bit about the game.

There was a twat in the DRS towards the TE who was lucky not to get mullered when Pericard got taken off. he was shouting all matter of shite and the bloke behind me went fucking mental at him as did a fair few around him.

Good to hear :nod:

Some tool next to me today was giving him grief right from the off which needless to say is fucking ridiculous.

I think the problem with Pericard is that he does things for the team that those who don't really know anything about football can't appreciate. Due to his sheer presence upfront (and massive arse) he occupies defenders so can be a handful (or even assumed by defenders to be a potential problem) even when he doesn't look like he's putting a shift in - it's no coincidence that we play better IMO when he's in the team.

I personally think Wilson's got it spot on with how to rotate him and Dossevi. Start with Vince, get the oppositions defence preoccupied with what the assume will be his arial ability and strength, then bring on Thomas to give them the runaround towards the end of the game when they are looking tired.

One of the reasons I think we were able to not 'do a swindon' and give away a late goal today was Dossevi's work rate and hustle when he came on. He looked proper up for it (even in at halftime when he was sprinting all over the place) and didn't allow their centre backs time on the ball to pick a pass.

Anyway, first post from me fellas after visiting the forum for a while, but generally agree with most on here that regardless, booing one of your own is pretty disgraceful and shows up those that do it for a lack of intelligence generally.

Listening to the commentary, they didn't seem (for once) to put us under that much pressure late on. If you have some one like Dossevi running around up front like a silly cunt closing them down that will help massively.

Welcome Lurker, good post that. Sums up my thoughts better than I could.


We were playing a high-line at the back for the last 20 minutes or so which made a big difference. Usually, as you probably know, that's not been the case and we just kinda camp just outside the box.

Me Bennett and Whits were getting increasingly irritated by some chaps by us... I really think they were completely clueless. V-Unit doesn't deserve half the abuse he gets.

You must sit near me then. The twat was saying he knew more about football because he's played before!! what a cock.

Indeed not, and he certainly didn't deserve a rendition of 'cheerio', 'cheerio' from a significant part of the townend when he went off. Fickle cunts.

Indeed, as we did at the end of the first half after we had scored.

I wasn't very optomistic at half time, but we came out in the second half & had a go at them.
And even after we got the goal we didn't really sit back until very late on.

Good post Lurker, and congrats on some top quality lurking.

As I mentioned before I think Vince was poor today, yeah he occupies defenders - I just wished he would put more effort in. Just run track back once in a while fella, put a diving tackle in, rush to close down that defender!

Have I got a point? Or is it, like you and others have mentioned, that I simply dont know enough about football? (As a regular CG goer since 1979 I guess thats a no!!!!  :D  :D)

Sure I moaned like fuck about him during the second half, but booing him as he walks off is still way out of order. I didnt do it to Marko Tuomela or Shaun Close so I aint going to do it to ol' Vinnie. (I did boo McMahon though, the twat)

Cheers for the welcome guys.

Arch, of course you have a point mate, I'm a pretty young guy who's just moved back to Swindon from spending the last decade at uni and then in London where I probably wasn't as into Town (or football for that matter) so bow to your better judgement and experience.
The tail end of last season got me back into it after pretty long hiatus, so I guess could be perceived as a plastic, but definitely got the bug back now (to the extent that I went alone today!).

Sorry, I digress but back to Big Vince: I think in a way there are two separate points here.

The first being that VP is a limited player who's work rate (lack of) is incredibly frustrating. I think you'd be hard pushed to find someone (myself included) who disagrees with that.

The counter to that being that regardless of this he still manages to get us to play better, and to take some attention from opposition centre backs away from Charlie (that is, until they sus Vince out and realise he offers no real direct goal threat) so he can do the business.

Cunt

Well Lurker, you've got your first Cunt courtesy of Sippo , so now you're officially 'in'.

And trust me, I have no 'better judgement' - as my father mentions at every opportunity "Son, you don't know football from a pigs ass"  :D

Big Vince has been on the whole a good player this season, almost Allison-esque in his hold up play, but man he frustrates me. I hope he rams that booing down everyones throat when he scores a hatfull of goals from now on.

Providing he's not paralysed with fear everytime he gets the ball now.

I'm sure if other stands chipped in with the odd chant then they'd have done similar. Thought it was a disgrace but the majority of the town end did not join in

Is your tourettes just internet based or do you find it hinders your social life as well?

Sorry but I think his lurking has been poor :)

It's the standard TEF welcome. Someone had to do it. You're not allowed to post otherwise. So far, though, your posts have been intelligent and well thought out, and made some good points. What the fuck are you doing on here? :)

Yeah, I did think that a little to be honest. Still, it's a bit like prison, get all up in someone's grill or be their bitch right? No? ok, cunt is probably fair.

Not sure really, probably lack of mates in Swindon (as evidenced by my "ticket for one please" earlier).

As for well thought out posts, thought i'd save my 'WILSON OUT!' for later...  ;)

Good point.

With his experience in the game, I'm surprised he doesn't do a wee bit more in the effort department.

You'd think Wilson or Shirtliff might have encouraged him to do that at least once in a game, if only to get the crowd on his side. I dont think the CG crowd are any diferent to any other in that they respect players who try their hardest, but it's bordering on a fucking hate campaign towards him now.

Maybe someone could put him in touch with David Duke for bit of therapy ;)

 :D :D

Well he does work in a call centre now, so maybe Vinnie should try and change his gas supplier or mobile tariff, he may get lucky with who answers the phone... ;)

(Or was that Jimmy Glass that works in a call centre, dunno, I've had a few beers)

DRS V194

Pericard was unfortunate today because the good things he did were subtle and the bad things he did were obvious. This leaves everyone with the impression he is dogshit, including me. Very few in the town end had a go at him though, most clapped him off.

These are also my thoughts.

In fairness first half he was better than he has been for a while, but second half he was woeful. Five times in a row he stood and watched their CB jump and head the ball unchallenged, that's what pisses people off. The only thing a player MUST do is run his bollocks off and do everything he can for the team, and Pericard doesn't appear to do that at times to me.

I think I was too busy giving peri a standing applause to hear the booing. I was stood up anyway, but I thought he was really good today.

That run of ball on the floor attacking football running up to our second goal he was ace, if not involved he was always drawing defenders away and being a nuisance.

Charlie Austin really is another class though isn't he?  If he doesn't get a good move in January then he obviously lacks ambition and I'm not sure we want a player like that.

My only gripe with Pericard is that I can't understand why he is so unfit. He's knackered within 15 minutes of the 2nd half kicking off.

He really reminds me of Paynter, especially with the way a lot of fans don't like him.

But even when Paynter first arrived he carried a goal threat had some kind of work rate. What sum's it up for me is that someone has compared him to Heskey, so it doesnt matter if he doesnt ever look like scoring cos he's holding the ball up, but that's horse shit.

Austin holds the ball up miles better than Pericard, Drogba holds the ball up better than Heskey. Drogba and Austin also score and work and create and are outstanding at their level, because they are miles better than fucking Pericard and Heskey. It's just an excuse for a shit and lazy(looking) striker.

For the amount he is earning, to not be fit enough to play beyond an hour, and he hardly put in a top notch shift for the hour, is a disgrace.

Paynter was not the player of last season when he got here. Even last season people still thought he could easily be replaced.

I think Austin is great and his all round play has really improved, but even he has games where he miscontrols balls and heads to nobody on the pitch. It's what happens when we play long from the back, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

I wasn't there, but as a rule of a thumb you do only get jipped by your own fans if you're a bit shit...

I was seriously astonished by the cheering of substitution of Pericard.

First off I thought he had a good first half he was holding the ball up and laying it off pretty well.  He's never going to be a runner and chaser of the ball, don't expect that of him.

Second, seriously no point in getting on the back of one of your own.  It won't make him a better player.

havent read all posts but it would appear there is a split opinion on him. Mate of mine read a book by a stoke fan and he wrote that he has never seen a centre forward stand still so much-that is what gets my back up most about him closely followed by the fact that he wins fuck all in the air.he is frustrating and I would sooner see Dossevi in the starting line up-at least he is 'lee peacock-esque' in his running, which I seem to remember was what town fans liked most about Peacock.

one thing I will say is I'd be interested looking at peoples opinion of him when charlie boy goes. I'm guessing that 'holding the ball up' will no longer be good enough for most. Did anyone see his reaction at Crawley when Austin scored?

he has had more injuries than goals and for what he must be getting paid (and yes that does matter) he aint earning his crust in my opinion.

Was pretty loud from where I was stood.

I think from behind the goal you do notice the workrate of strikers more.

However I do think the response of the Town End was a disgrace yesterday. I think a minority of people are determined to see Pericards career at Swindon end in failure. Sad.

Ive heard that Billy Paynter is slagging off Swindon fans left right and centre up in Leeds. Looks like another player is going to leave with a negative opinion of our support.

I too have returned to Swindon after being 'away' for a while and following the Pericard debate. The Sheff Wed game was my first for a while. All I will say is that the player is splitting the fans at a time when we all need to be behind the team; that is not good.

I don't know what game some of you were watching yesterday because I thought (bar the 10 mins before he came off) Pericard was very good. Held the ball up well and didn't really do a lot wrong. He was always finding our players until that misplaced pass to Austin. He's deffo the new Paynter (before he shone), David Duke etc. He's now the one that everyone picks on even if he plays well. I thought the cheering when he was subbed off was a disgrace. He had a good game and a bad 10 mins. What annoys me is that IMO Dossevi came on and did naff all yet people sing his praises because he ran around a bit? I know that we like our players to show some effort etc but if they are doing the job that's required of them then what's the problem?

ooops did i say that?

Wouldn't surprise if Billy is slagging the Town fans off. I don't blame him.

I will never boo a player wearing the famous shirt, save that for the lowlifes.

However Vince was dogshit yesterday. The frustration for me is his lack of workrate or effort. Good point about being behind the goal you probably spot that more as its in your line of vision constantly for the second half, also doesn't help that he's playing alongside charlie austin who clearly loves every minute of being a professional footballer and runs himself into the ground every single game. Contrasting where they've come from, juventus vs a building site and you begin to see the difference in approach to the game.

I only notice what vince brings to the game when he's not playing, because we do look worse without him in my opinion, no one to hold the ball up. BUT when he is playing like he did yesterday, traipsing around the edge of the box, half heartedly jumping for the odd aimless hoof and just looking like he cannot give a shit. It's unnacceptable, and an insult to the shirt.

The only thing I ask of a Swindon Town player is they put a shift in. Skills, ability, talent will always be there throughout the team in patches but this is div 3, put a fucking shift in and you can't go far wrong.

Pericard is not helping himself and I get the impression he's a bit of a billy big bollocks who isn't about to change now. I think he'll be gone in January if not the end of the season. We need someone up there with austin to win the ball, hold it up, flick it on and give the opposition centre backs something to think about, problem is V-Unit might do that one in four games, and when he does do it there isn't a great deal of difference in his game to when he doesn't do it, so it kind of goes unnoticed anyway.

I actually thought he was okay in the first half, but he gets to a certain point in the game and seems to completely lose interest.  At this point Wilson should be bringing him off, not leaving him on for a further 25 minutes while a large proportion of the crowd get on his back. 

I have to be honest, I’m not his biggest fan, I’ve really tried to come round to the Pro Pericard way of thinking, but I can’t.  He’s too lazy and doesn’t give enough to the team imo.  However, I don’t agree with the cheering and booing him off when he was substituted, it’s not nice to hear that happening to one of your own players and as Crystall Tips mentioned above it's not going to make him a better player.

Unfortunately there does seem to be a significant proportion of the supporters who really dislike him now and after this amount of time it's unlikely that will change unless something dramatically changes in the way he plays.  Personally, I think we need to be looking to replace him in the January transfer window and offload him for his own good?


Maybe I'm alone here, but more often than not Dossevi seems to run around and do naff all?

TBF, dossevi is freakishly good at being caught offside

Christ, Paynter should expect 100% worse from the Leeds supporters if he underperforms.  They'll allow you one bad game before getting on your back!

I do think Dossevi has qualities. They were not on show yesterday though but i'm not going to say he was shite because he didn't have much time to get into the game. He ran around and looked up for it which is what we all like. My main point was that he was no better if not worse than Pericard and yet he gets a lot more praise because he did more running. Do you think they'd have cheered Dossevi if he went off? Doubt it.

All those booing Pericard were total fucktards.  He held the ball up well, and brought others into the game.  Yes, he should win more headers, and on occasion his choice of pass wasn't good, but no-one is perfect.  One incident about 5 mins in, Pericard misplaces a pass and get abuse from some in the DRS (and probably elsewhere too), but less than a minute later Douglas misplaces a pass and no-one says a word.   Clearly I'm not advocating booing Douglas!

Also, I notice earlier in the thread jfw mentioned someone slagging of Smith...even after that fantastic save when he was extremely quick off his line in the first half?  Crazy.

Yes its a good point, I remember dougie passing directly to one of theirs and complete silence from the town end. Thing is dougie always puts in 90minutes effort. It isn't about the skill level for me, it's about the effort level.

Pericard isn't a danny wilson player for me, but I understand why he signed him, we play a big man little man combo the old classic, the problem is the big man needs to make a fcuking effort and let the centre backs know he's there.

Exactly. He's probably got a bit of goodwill with the injury. But he will get savaged if he has to come in to replace Bechio.

Spot on Rich!

It seems to me that the main gripe for people against Peri is his work rate, so it's time for people to get over this as he is never going to run around as much as Paynter, Cox or Charlie, he just isn't that type of player.  t he sooner people realise that the better. Peri is a foil for the players around him, he will hold the ball up and bring players into the game around him, he is never going to run 50 yards and plant one in the top corner.  I thought he did the job he was put in there to do very well for the first hours until his dodgy 10 min spell.

Not many strikers bully Purse, and the ex scummer had a torrid time against Peri in the first half, he spent most of it on his ass!  I do agree about the concerns of his fitness though, he does look like he is blowing out of his arse far earlier games than most players.

Bottom line is, if you want him to perform for Swindon Town, get off of his back, we gain absolutely fuck all by the abuse that was dished out yesterday!

Hehe, didn't even see you yesterday! You know who I am talking about, in front of you and behind me, and I do include your Smith hating friends in that group.

I'll pass on your comments to Nicho, his cardy does match your nickname for him! Maybe he is listening to his Internet fan club at last!

He isn't good enough, but that was awful treatment yesterday when he went off. Haven't heard a Swindon player get such abuse since David Duke. Pericard doesn't help his cause, he doesn't look like he's showing any passion: watch his reaction when Austin scored yesterday for a example.

He applauded the Town End when he was hugging JP and co after the 2nd.

I thought he had a decent enough first half but seemed to fall to pieces in the second half. One time he just watched the ball in the air without challenging at all and the misplaced pass where he could have sent Austin through was frankly feeble.

He doesn't work hard enough for me. Dossevi may be a headless chicken but as a football fan you want to see your players work for the cause.

one factor is being widely overlooked in the pericard v dossevi argument... Goals!

Pericard is winning 6-3!

You need partnerships all over the pitch and even if pericard only scores 10-12 goals this season, he's well worth persisting with because i think he is the best partner for our charlie. some of our fans make me really cross and the worrying thing is that i seem to be in the minority!!

Dossevi has played much less don't forget.

This is my first football related post on here (I am a lurker) I think pericard is a poor player doesn't seem to put any effort in at all and goal to game ratio is shocking. Having said that the way people slate him on the thisis comment section and by parts of the crowd is awful. As much as I wanted dossevi to come on I didn't (and never have) boo him or ironically cheer.

I think the most embarrasing thing of it all was the reaction he or when he played that sloppy pass. The most shocking bit about it was Austin and ball both played equally awful balls which could have put the other one through after pericard had been taken off, and no one even reacted if anything the majority around by me applauded and was saying how unlucky they were. But poor old pericard gets slated for it.  

If you're suggesting he deserves sympathy for picking up a couple of grand a week (at least) for trotting around a football pitch he aint getting any from me.

Fair enough most right minded people think it's wrong to boo your own players but I'm not going to feel sorry for the bloke, I'd give my left nut to earn his money, play pro football and get booed by the TE (although I wouldn't get booed cos I'd run myself in to the ground like most other players)

I think he's ace. He clearly has the discipline to realise that running all over the pitch will be bad for the shape of the team.

you are on the money imo.(not sure if you are joking or not though)

players will all think slightly differently and managers will ask for different things out of individual strikers from club to club.
i don't necesarily see it as being lazy or not trying.the player probably sees it as a wasted run,or chasing a lost cause.
it's frustrating to supporters as it looks like a player isn't trying,when often it aint the case.

I'm with you ariba, he's clearly been given instruction on what to do and was signed because he can do it.  Stay up top, cause defenders to be on their metal with a physical battle, give the midfield time to get involved when we do have to hack it up, let Charlie do what he does best.  Charlie is an out and out goalscorer who comes to life in the box, he needs a bit of space to really shine for us and Peri provides that.  Defenders hate playing against him.  He may be shit atpassing, he may not move about much, but he keeps at least one centre half completely concentrated on him because they know he'll bring others into the game unless they pressure him.

It didn't surpise me, but it fucking infuruates me just how idiotic some fans can be.  It's not just that they vent frustration, in many cases it's the sheer lack of intelligence shown in any comments made (and I'm not suggesting any one in this thread fits that bill, but the guy buy Chalkies around V194 in the DRS can consider himself served again)

It was a serious point said in a tongue in cheek way. I do think Pericard could do a bit more in the effort department but clearly his job isn't to pressure the back line, it's the other striker who is tasked to do that.

Only difference is when Dossevi plays alongside Austin they take it in turns. Probably because Dossevi has the pace to do it, but really we want Austin always on the shoulder of the opposition back line because that's his best role. There's a reason Austin doesn't score from outside the box.

I would love to see the stats on players for the season.

Passes made etc etc.

Might open up some idiots eyes.

3 goals in the lge is the stat that is worrying.
Pericard should be playing at a higher level,the Pericard we have seen this season so far shows the reason he isn't.
The stick he is getting is getting seriously worrying now...getting to the stage where fans are close to fighting each other in there views.

I was in the Arks yesterday....was he pushed for a pen?

This is the point I was trying to make in my earlier post in this thread Leefer.  Around me in the Arkells stand, he is not at all popular and game by game the number of people getting on his back is increasing.   Even if he scored in the next 3 games, I don't think the majority of those people's opinions would change.  He'd still be jeered everytime he fluffed a pass or didn't jump for a header.  I know there are a fair few on here defending him, but as somebody mentioned they do seem to be slightly in the minority now.  I noticed Charlie losing his rag with him a few times yesterday and a few of the other players as well.  The crowd reaction no doubt inflamed that and if as it appears large sections of the supporters are turning against him so badly, I can't see he has a future here tbh?
I noticed Charlie shout at him a number of times yesterday and he wasn't aloneNot only is it unpleasant for him to hear, but it could

I thought he was.

i thought there was going to be one in the D R.

There was a couple of people a few rows in front of me in the DR who seemed to have differing opinions.

Being shit isn't a reason to boo someone...but being a lazy cunt who doesn't look interested half the time is!

I'll never boo a player who's having a stinker or I think is shit if he puts the effort in, but vincent pericard simply doesn't care. He never puts his head in if he thinks he might get hurt and sometimes can barely be bothered to run or challenge for the ball. Dossevi put more effort in during the first few minutes he was on the pitch than pericard did all game.

The guy obviously has some sort of talent, or he wouldn't have been at juventus in his youth, but there's a reason he's at swindon now and its because he's a lazy bastard. When you're contributing to his wages everyweek and you see him pussy out of a challenge you've got every right to be angry and boo him off.

Wearing the red of Swindon isn't simply enough to make me have some crazy man crush on him. It's pretty simple, me paying money + no effort from player= me letting player know what i think of you. It doesn't make me a cunt or clueless, it just makes me not completely blinded by the fact we have someone in the team who clearly couldn't give a shit.


and for the record I thought Pericard was less shit than normal Saturday, but still shit.

In hindsight we would never of signed him.....we dont have that.

I do reckon hes finished here and it hurts me to say it as i wanted him to succeed.

I think the problem is with the band of pericard lovers who seem ready to bow at his feet when he can't be arsed do the simpliest of things, people seem more determined to get their views across.

I think all of our players should rush around like headless chickens, and go for balls they aren't going to win. Who the fuck needs shape, or jobs on the pitch anyway. It's the english way of playing, and it's why we're such a global footballing superpower

Absolutely rediculous post. It's not hard to see the difference between a player who's putting absolutely no effort in and a player who's 'keeping shape' or 'doing another job'.

People use the argument he holds the ball up and causes defenders problems, he does none of this! These are excuses. He falls to the floor like a sack of shit at the slightest touch despite being the biggest guy on the pitch. I've seen no evidence he causes defenders problems....If anything its an easy day at the office.

No one's saying that are they?

As a target man, it helps that you challenge for an aerial ball. I don't want to see him tearing about, but breaking into a sweat. challenging the CBs and making some kind of effort to get in the box when the ball's wide would be nice.

Round and round we go

Damn you dave, you beat me to it Dave, although I was going to be less subtle.  I take back my comment about no idiots on here, welcome Mr Collins.

Look, nobody is saying the guy is a world beater, and I'm not even saying I think he deserves a starting slot - in my ideal team a player like him wouldn't get in.  However, suggesting he deserves booing for doing a job he has been asked to do and does relatively effectively is madness.  Dossevi may run around a fair bit, but he doesn't occupy defenders.  He goes running back into midfield and with Austin I fear the two would not work for a full 90 ins as well as Peri does with Austin.  Ideally you'd have Drogba playing next to Austin, but based on our current squad, Peri offers the best foil.

Hesky is being used by some, in a negative way, but Owen used him to his advantage in games as have others.  Beardsley is a more skillfull version, Lineker scored the goals but Beardsley didn't, it was a partnership.  Very few people would say Beardsley was shit because his goals to game ratio wasn't very good, but because he was mroe creative on the ball people are happy.  Pericard has been brought here to do a specific job, that's obvious, just because people don't get it they begin rabid ranting.

In summary, he's a bit of lump and I wouldn't want him if the club were nuts and decided to let fans vote on team selection and transfers.  I do however understand what he is doing, and he is, whether you like or not, doing that job sufficiently well for us to be scoring a lot of goals.  Our goals to game ratio is better than last year, so Paynter, thus far, has not been missed even if the player replacing him is not as good because he's doing a different role and Charlie is looking better because of it as are midfielders looking more likely to score.

I'm sorry Pericards job is to not challenge for headers? not get in the box when the balls wide? not break a sweat? not be a handful for defenders? not score goals? and generally be of no use to the team whatsoever.

Yes, sorry, my apologies for being the idiot.

and I''m not saying Dossevi is the best thing since sliced bread, at no point have I said this

If you're going to tell me pericard is not a handfull for defenders, I'm going to suggest you get down to the opticians.

Good point Dave but there are also bats and moles on here who think Prutton is a great midfielder, i just dont see it!

Steve, you think Peri isn't useful for the team, our goalscoring record suggests otherwise.  Our problems have been in defence this year.

It's no coincidence that a few times midfielders look more likely to be around the edge of the box in attacks.  pericard does hold the ball well, and he gives those vital seconds for a midfielder to break up with him or past him.

Does he look a good striker in the box, no.
Does he run around and press players, no.
Do the stats of goals scored for the team suggest we need something mroe upfront, no.
Even at his worst, and he can be really bad, he still makes a defender have to do a job on him.  They can't take the risk on his touch being awful, they have to be tight in case he gives our team enough time to break forward around him.  That means other players such as Austin can concentrate on getting into the best position with less markers left.
I would go as far as to suggest he has been told to stick within the width of the box apart from throw ins.

u must sit near me then

At the end of the day, he massively polarises Town fans. We've had players before who also do this. Some of them came good, some of them didn't

At the moment he's failing to win over a large proportion, lets just hope he's one of them who comes good, cos going round and round on this is doing no one any good at all.

Agreed Panda, I always thought Duke should have been put down.  My point isn't really how good or bad he is, more that one or two seem to suggest he deserves being booed and even go as far as to suggest that because some fans don't like him we should drop him.  That's lunacy.  When the fans get to pick the team we are really in trouble, especially given some of the comemnts I hear in the DRS.  If Rik Wakeman and his gang of miserable sods ever got a vote on team selection I'd have to give it all up.

If the ratings in the adver are anything to go by then Vince had a better game then Richie and Morrison and Smith.

He certainly had a better game than Morrison who was a bloody big liability in the 1st half.

Is Frampton avaible for tomorow?

i completely disagree. If you actually watch him when a ball is put in the air towards him he doesn't even challenge half the time....if he does he decides to fall on the floor to claim a foul instead of actually challenging for the ball. I've seen him regulary back out of challenges where he thinks he might get hurt, if you can't see that then you need your eyes tested, not me.

I've even stood with fellow Pericard lovers and anaylised it with them, they seem to struggle to argue when I'm stood next to them forcing them to take off their rose tinted glasses.

He's not perfect, but have you ever acknowledged anything good he does?

I suspect not.

yes i've acknowledged the few occasions he's had a decent game, and like i said....i thought he wasn't that bad Saturday. I'm not deluded like some people....but i'm trying to give some insight on why people get on his back.

I genuinely asked a fan of his why he liked him and what he does for the team once, their response? "He used to play for Juventus"

Hahaha ok, that guy is doing no one any favours! When people said he once played for Juventus... shouldn't it be, he played for Juventus once?

Excellent interview with Charlie Austin in the sports section in the middle of the Sun today saying Vince is an excellent partner for him, praised his hold up and the way he brings others into play.  He also went on to compare him to Billy Paynter and without this type of partner he does not feel he would have as many goals.  He also felt the booing was unfair. 

Pfft. What does Charlie know.

Soundas like Charlie is issuing a 'come and get me' to Villa

I am suprised you could see anything on saturaday the state you were in. But i was worse.

Fuck all wrong with me lightweight!

His real opinion differs, i assure you

Ha, prove it.

YAY a new JCP/TCP.

How long have you known me Flash, there is nothing lightweight about me.

Do I really need to prove it to know how it is?

Like i said I actually thought Pericard was miles better than normal Saturday, and i understand what his job is/supposed to be. So it's not that i'm not understanding on that front. I generally think he doesn't do that job well (with the exception of patches of Saturday's game and one or two other performances in a Town shirt)

The booing for most fans comes from weeks of frustrations where instead of a few moans and groans when he backs out of a challenge, etc. It was a chance for everybody who feels this way to let their feelings known.

Don't you think booing any of your players when 2-1 up against 4th in the table is ridiculous?

i'm not defending it, and for the record I didn't actually do it. (however I have give him stick on a lot of occasions over more specific incidents, not jumping for a header, challenging for the ball, generally not doing the things people say he does so well when the oppertuinity arises) What i'm trying to do is give people an insight on why it was done, and why people feel the way they feel.

I'm not denying there are people out there who are thick as shit and think because he simply doesn't score enough goals or because he doesn't beat 4 players and have a shot that he's not useful to the team...but there are also a lot of intellegent people out there who know football, who realise what his job is supposed to be and is still of the opinion that a) he is shit and more importantly b) his heart isn't and never has been in playing for Swindon Town.

bored now....

How do we know what his job's supposed to be? For all we know Wilson may have told Pericard his only job is to win the ball and lay it back to midfield - nothing else. You're basing your opinion on your own assumptions, which isn't fair on Pericard.

If Wilson came out and said Pericard isn't doing what he's told to go out on the pitch and do then fair enough, give him all the stick you want - he'd deserve it.

Name one occasion where Pericard has won the ball up front and laid it back to midfield? I can't recall one occasion since he's been here where he's actually won a ball off a defender.

Walsall away. Simply superb that day.

Saints in the JPT....awesome..

Numerous times on saturday.

I meant win the ball as in when it's hoofed up to him.

Grow up. You don't like him and we get that. But if your hatred of him is so great that you fail to see something he's done countless times, I suggest you actually watch the match and try to enjoy it, rather than spend 90 minutes watching Pericard and finding faults.

I'm going to go to Steve's work, shout abuse when he makes a typo or clicks a wrong button and then jeer him when he goes home at the end of the day.

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If you were paying my wages mate and I had no intentions of getting better at what I was doing/wasn't putting effort in, you'd have every right to.

I don't want him to fail mate, you're misunderstanding how it works....some people have differing opinions, i think you need to grow to accept that.

He was decent at Walsall away, I didn't go Saints in the JPT

How do you know he has no intention of getting better? Or that he wasn't putting any effort in? Your 'opinion' isn't really an opinion, it's not interpretation of any fact. It's an accusation.

Are all your posts this rediculous?

Obviously it's an opinion based on what i've seen. An opinion shared by many. Of course it's an accusation, isn't that what the majority of this post is about? Or have you missed that?

if pericard wasn't doing what his boss wanted he wouldn't get a game.
remember he has had injuries, so i'm sure has been told not to chase lost causes.add that to the italian style of football where pericard would have learned alot of his trade,where they allow the centre backs time on the ball,and hold a position.

also the lack of effort arguement doesn't stand up.
pook,hewlett,duke,reeves all busted a gut but got abuse from the stands....

Let's leave the opinion/accusation point. You clearly don't get it.

How am I being ridiculous? I'm just trying to argue in Pericards favour, something you're vehemently trying not to.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, right Steve?

Do you believe in Ghost's Steve ?

I never once gave any of these players grief or booed them. I thought we were talking about Pericard and why people give him shit?

Doesn't seem so on this forum. I'm the one arguing against the points made in the original post. It's a slate the people who give Pericard grief and don't try and see their point of view post. As i said I don't agree with booing players through lack of ability. We seem to be going round in circles.

I don't agree with booing players full stop especially when your winning against one of the favourites to win the league, there are no reasons that can be given for such a stupid reaction from our fans to Pericards substitution!

and as i've already said, i didn't actually boo at that given moment. read through the posts.

This really is hard work.

do you believe in ghosts Steve ?

Are you some sort of idiot Fred?

Do you want to ask me a non pisstaking-smug question that is relevant to what we're talking about and i'd be glad to answer?

You may not of booed but you are defending people who did boo and giving the reasons why they would of booed.  For me when you are beating one of the top teams in your division I cannot understand any reason you would be booing your own players and cannot see any reason why anyone else could understand the reasons why people were booing.

actually .............................. yes

Oh here we go, the "I'm not allowed to have my own opinion card".

Why, because 3 or 4 people are arguing against your opinion? That's what a forum is about - debate and discussion.

You're the one going round in circles, Steve. When faced with questions you keep re-iterating the same point over and over. I'm trying to understand why, in your opinion, you think Pericard doesn't put in any effort when he goes out on the football pitch?

I don't think its lack of effort I JUST THINK HE IS SHIT,

That ok?

Not really, no.

Your lack of effort in that reply sickens me. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Samdy, I've seen him back out of headers and challenges tons of times, which is what i have (as you said) reiterated over and over. Is that not reason to form an opinion he doesn't really care about the team?

Got to say could see the difference tonight big time, before being sacrificed. Got involved, actually broke a sweat, laid the ball off, actually provided knock ons in areas where a player might be and generally looked like he wants to be there.

Problem is I've seen this from him before. Yay Pericard is trying, let's have a big gay Pericard love in (around the time of the Walsall game) and then a few games later he's in the adver saying "People are starting to see they were wrong about me" as people lay off him he goes back to being the same old lazy bastard. It seems like he needs the stick to actually pull his finger out his ass.

But that's my way of saying, good game Pericard, bit of effort, bit of talent (which i've never denied that you clearly must have). Keep that work rate up and you won't hear a squeak from me. I'm just anxious to see if you do.

Pericard is total, unadulterated gash. I'd say at least 80% of Town fans have formed that opinion in the past year.

Anyone that thinks he works hard for the shirt is either;

A) his mother or a similarly close family member
B) Vincent or his agent
C) Certifiable under the mental health act

I felt more "pride" about Bobby Howe wearing a Swindon shirt than I do about VP. He can fuck off as far as I'm concerned the lazy cunt.

Did alright tonight

Didn't merit the slagging he got from his first touch to his last by that stupid cunt behind me tonight (coupled with cries of "Dossevi" every 5 minutes).

I don't go to games so I won't comment on his form at Swindon. However, I must admit that on a purely statistical basis, I wasn't over-the-moon when Pericard signed. I likes my forwards to score goals.

One good season at Portsmouth and even then he only scored 9 in the league.

Pericard was shite last night, didnt go Saturday but most times I have seen him he has been a liability. He holds the ball up and then gives it away and does fuck all. Would rather play Ball or Dossevi up front. Complete waste of space. THat said he must have something as he keeps geting contracts at clubs. Must be a player that does well on the training ground.

All wrong. Pericard was possibly our best player in the first half. There, that's sorted things out for you.

Pericard has had his chance and he hasn't taken it. Get rid now!

and replace with who? is fitton going to splash the cash?
look, pericard is a bit shit and has shown himself to be a bench warmer.the current state stfc finds itself in means he's a starter.
up to you who you want to blame for that...

Ball? Dossevi?

oh great...

bodin?

Atleast Dossevi puts in a bit of effort unlike that useless sack of shit.

For fucks sake Gaz, Dossevi and Pericard are two different types of players!! Pericard is the player to hold the ball up, dossevi chases down.

A fucking men

True but Dossevi is more effective. Most times Pericard does hold the ball up he then gives it to an opposition player.

To me, Dossevi just looks like he runs around like a dog with a tin dick.

dossevie and pericard are equals imo.bench warmers for a progressive league 1 team.
when austin fucks off they might play together

I look forward to it

I would play a total different formation with 5 at the back it's clear where we are going wrong.

Great control on his chest and lay off to Ritchie at the beginning of the build up to our first goal last night.

Wilson made a mistake in taking him off for Timlin. We all saw Austin tweaked his groin, he should've taken him off instead imo.

Still bored....

but steve seems like a really nice bloke

Benny we get it you rate Pericard but if i am honest how he is playing is not important in my opinion in fact it would be last on the following list.

Defence- What has lescinel done to warrant not replacing a very jaded looking morrison

Ferry- What the fuck has gone so wrong that one minute Timlin is not even wanted at the club but is now ahead in selection.

Douglas- Seems so dissinterested at times this season just does not look at all happy

McGovern- If i am honest Wilsons treatment of him is fucking shoddy

Tactics and substitutions just leave me baffled if i am honest and whenever we are chasing a game i never feel confident. The one main worry i have is that we can't turn around a game when we are losing so don't have the mentality so fuck knows how thay are going to turn around a dodgy run god fobid we have one.

What treatment of Mcgovern dean?

Just my opinion Tans but whenever something goes wrong he seems to be the fall guy. Playing him out of position or just dropping him full stop.

Ah i get you

Big mistake to take Vince off last night.

Should of put Bodin on the bench.....at least he would of given a shit!

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You been drinking? Vince had an excellent first half and held up the ball superbly.  When Dossevi was lone striker 2nd half I don't think he could of been any less effective, he gave the ball away all the time, didn't chase or challenge enough but as he's not Pericard he was practically getting a standing ovation from some of our deluded fans.

Gazza hasn't spoken any sense for the 7 or 8 years i've frequented STFC related forums, it pays to ignore most of his opinions... it saves getting aggravated unnecessarily.

Jesus christ. Lets hope not. It would be the most impotent strike force I've ever seen.

To be honest I think JPM would be the first to admit he has had a very poor season and deserved to be dropped when he has this season, we have not seen the same effort, endeavour and commitment we loved about him last season.  Thankfully both the Wednesday game and last nights Cup replay I thought JPM was one of our best players and back to his hard working creative best.

When he played on the wing though . That's my point

Gary's posts are about as good as Dossevi's hold up play.

Arriba has it spot on about our strike force (minus Charlie Austin) in my opinion.

New avatar??

cheers! :D As usual because I do not agree with the majority, my posts are pointless and invalid. Meh!

Be my guest. No copyright involved and it would be a sight better than that dead paed doing the spasmo you currently inflict on us. xx

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I'm a great poof  :gay:

Lol

Did you sponsor Jackson as well Gazza ?

Nice edit Gaz.

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I will put my hands up and admit to cheering sarcastically when he was subbed something i now see was the wrong thing to do but i refuse to defend him as a player. Standing behind the goal in the town end with the town shooting towards you, you will NEVER see pericards face because he plays with his back to goal too often, i understand this is part of his game and what he is there to do and i appreciate that will massivley benefit the team... IF and only IF he could do the job hes here to do! The misplaced pass was the icing on the cake but from our view you can see the amount of opportunities we had to break if Pericard had used an overlapping winger or played a through ball but these options seem non existent to him as he only ever looks and passes back.. he needs to understand that while his job is to hold up the ball, pull defenders out of position and whatever else DW has him doing he also needs to initiate the following move. It is no good holding the ball up and pulling defenders out of position if once you have done that you give the ball straight back to the other team or make a pass that takes us back to square one of the build up play meaning we need to hold possession and use pericard AGAIN to draw away those defenders, its an endless cycle..


Also i just want to ask a question to all of you defending Pericards performances - HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SLATED EMILE HESKEY FOR DOING THE SAME IN AN ENGLAND SHIRT?

Remember these players are bound to be the subject of abuse although i agree it is not constructive!

CONCLUSION: LET'S SIGN HESKEY!

Never. Emile Heskey is a good footballer.

Ok, How many times have you seen or heard Emile Heskey slated for his performances in an England shirt.

Players who use that style of play will always be subject to abuse is all i'm trying to convey.

Alot and it was only slightly less frustrating because I care more about Swindon.

Perhaps, yes. But it is uncalled for.

I blame Sky Sports and them turning football into a show, rather than a tactical game.

Poor Gary :(