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I'm intrigued. Why is Mandela a cunt?

Can we not keep this to facebook?

Oh dear

I know what you are thinking Si and I was in two minds myself whether or not to start this thread. Only I'm not even sure if I should keep open the lines of communication with crispy on facebook. Besides. somebody else has already asked yet not received any reply

Perhaps crispy has a real reason for it.........

Someone probably told him he was.

what's his name? i wanna look on his facebook page

I consider myself lucky to have grown up without social network websites documenting my life (through my words).

Heck people may read my glowing reviews of the Sgt. Bilko movie with Steve Martin or how much I enjoyed S Club 7's debut album... Wait... Ooops.

jordan crisp. he has some islamic symbols in it as well

thats a really good point,I wonder what my status updates would have been through my teenage years and twenties and to be honest my thirties have been messy at times.

Oh the irony...

He's not racist. He's prejudice is far more sophisticated than that.

Whilst I don't agree with his views at least he's let it go from the TEF and we no longer have the threads which turn into train wrecks by default.

Genuine intrigue could have been satisfied though a private message, there's clearly another agenda here.

You assume too much Si. I just want to be sure that I have an honest answer from him, he could say anything he wants if others don't know about it (PM)

To be honest, I've often wondered why Mandela is feted so much.

He's openly admitted he gave the go-ahead for a car bombing and was instrumental in setting up a terrorist organisation.

Whatever the cause, terrorism is wrong. (Or maybe we should all wax lyrical about Gerry Adams as well?)

Well he does have a cracking beard.

Good point.

You could go forever...........innocent Germans during WW2 probably saw Winston Churchill as a beast after he gave the go ahead for mass bombing in Hamburg etc.
Fact is Mandelas goal was to rid Africa of Apartheid which is to do with the colour of a humans skin....fact is the whites in Africa were the agressors killing many blacks at the drop of a hat and Mandela was trying to get equal rights for them...nothing more.
The same cannot be said of Adams etc.
He served his time in prison without complaint.....i applaud Nelson Mandela terrorist or not.

That's a bit simplistic Leefer. Adams would argue that he too was a freedom fighter, trying to rid his country of what he viewed as a foreign oppresser.

WW2 was completely different, for one thing it was nation against nation and for another the blanket bombing of German cities happened after The Blitz, which cost the lives of thousandsof British civilians.

Whichever way you dress it up, what Mandela was involved in prior to his imprisonment (and during, at least at the beginning) was terrorism. I can applaud what he did when he was released, but not before.

Whatever the cause, terrorism is wrong.

Agree. Thats the end of any argument.

not if someone thinks terrorism is right it isn't. ;)

If they think that then they're levels of intelliegance must be questioned.

You could argue till the cows come home.......so were were the freedom fighters in all countrys who went around blowing up trains etc during occupation of there countrys deserve to be called terrorists?
Mandela was doing exactly the same in his eyes.
As for the IRA and the protestant groups you cannot compare.........they killed and maimed there own people and children.....i mean i know the irish are classed as thick but blowing up your own innocent race about sums up there case.

But yes Herthab i agree........all terrorism is wrong and i wont attempt to argue that fact.

While I do not wish to comment on crispy's actions or on individual examples of terrorism, I would like to say that I once had a very interesting lecture on the 'geographies of terrorism' down in Plymouth.

The lecturer, a chap called Richard Gibb, argued that the assumption that all terrorism is wrong... is wrong! If you follow!

Sometimes (and I've never been in this position) terrorism is the only creditable action left for groups to take against an oppressor.

The USA/UK etc are fighting wars over territory in Iraq and Afghanistan when the real issue is a clash of idealogies. Not for me to say but until this problem is addressed, they are wars that may never be won! To the detriment of our soldiers and the folk of the Iraq/Afghanistan.

Tell you who was a cunt. Princess Di

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Here you go, you want my opinion here it is :);

Mandela wanted equal rights for blacks and whites in south africa so went around killing white farmers and his list of crimes is a long one. Everybody thinks hes a hero for what he did without knowing he was a terroist.

Pretty much thats it. If you want to know more a google search will help, but not everything you read will be the truth obviously.

The 'Islamic symbols' in my name, which are somehow ironic stand for Kafir - A non beliver in islam.

For future reference, if you feel the need to question whats on my facebook, ask me on facebook please.

"Without knowing what he did"

Yes, because it's not like his own autobiography documents large portions of the activities of Umkhonto We Sizwe. Most of it is along the lines of "I am not an angel, there are people who were but many of them died without the world knowing who they were and without their actions having a material effect"

Unfortunately, it has long words in, so I'd stick to your current information sources.

So because he admits to it in his book and adresses the fact he was a terrorist makes it better?

Anyway, im done with this thread, it was on facebook it will stay on facebook  :nod:

Crispy.

Please don't patronise us by telling us about the terrorist shit he did. Do you not think we know that?

I've questioned other stuff on your facebook page before as have other people but there was no response so don't go down that route.

What I am really getting at is: I have given you the benefit of the doubt until now with your silly little EDL thing whereas others have been very quick and harsh in their judgement. then I see that.

Still undecided.

Dont mean to sound like a twat but if you seriously don't like what i put on my facebook delete me. It's my opinion..

Anyone watching Louis Theroux?

i am

One man's terrorst is another man's freedom fighter.
If you look at South Africa very simpistically then us honkies were oppressing the non honkies. Mandela went out to change that firstly using violent methods and then non violent methods. It worked.
I'm pretty sure if I was black and in SA at the time, I'd have been alongside him.
I'm also pretty sure that if it meant aresholes like Geldof etc seeing how far they can stick their snouts up his jacksy he'd have probably decided to stay in his cell.   

Just shows how mental the whole situation is in that continent. Proper terrorism and gang rule.

I'm watching the apprentice, second series.

Sorry, TEF, for another of these race threads.

Crispy, why dont make your profile private?

it is fucked up big time

I'm watching a fucking weeping Doctor Who, women should not be allo0wed near TV controls.

haha. I'm watching that. I found the running over bit quite arousing.

I believe he has.  I just had a search on facebook to be downright nosey and see what all the fuss was about and I'm fairly sure I found him and the account is now private. 

Poor young Crispy, he must have read this thread and I expect he's all of a dither about it!

 :nod:

Really, honestly who cares what he thinks?

Dont understand the fuss either dave.

how about that halal meat eh?

What about it?..

The irony....

I suggest that those who want to criticise Mandela's involvement in terrorism might like to experience what it was like for a black South African, or an asian South African, or one of mixed race, or anyone of left-wing opinion, or anyone in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola, Mozambique and numerous other countries who happened to be part of the vast majority population under racist white regimes, and then say he and others like him were not justified in their actions.

i saw that and chuckled last night.

So because he was treated like shit he can treat people like shit?

my hard on for you is fading crispy, do some proper research.

Being treated like shit doesn't even compare. How fucking ignorant.

Im not allowed in the Ladies Toilets in town.......Now you tell me we live in a free country!!

Are you allowed back into the gents yet?

I can't say I fathom you at all Crispy, I find the contradictions baffling. That's why I tend to ignore your comments.

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this.
equally that is why it would never work me up about what he says.

I don't think it's particularly baffling. He's a bit naive and easily led. Simple.

I gave crispy the benefit of the doubt because although it's not something that I agree with, it is easy to see why people, especially young people, can get drawn into the whole anti-muslim thing. I did get messages and "likes" from pro-Islam groups and people because of my anti-EDL comments, I don't want to be associated with either.

When all of a sudden it broadened into something beyond just the muslims, then for me that put a whole new complexion on it.

I still think that it is just a case of him being a young impressionable kid but I don't want to be associated and I have withdraw the 'friends' status on facebook. I'm sure knowing that will shake crispy's life to its very foundations, but there you go.

Get a fucking grip kid.

As Gary Glitter would say ....

Shake his videos to the very foundations maybe

Brilliant Nev!