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I know I will get hammered for this because a lot of the idiots I'm talking about probably, and I say probably post on here, but I've got to say it.

I sat in block 549 along with a lot of families and loyal supporters, I try to be as vocal as possible supporting my team, I do try to keep my language down even though at times the odd fuck-it will come out, and those around including families will accept it.

What I cant accept nor will the majority of fans is some fat fucking drunken shit head standing up looking straight at me and pleading with me and others around to get up and sing. Do you think I'm not a passionate fan moran, I've been supporting this side for over 40 years all over the country and had so much anguish at the expense of the team I love.

But you and your three fucking mates are a total disgrace, you stopped fans watching the last few minutes unless they stood up, you didn't have a clue what was going on the pitch you drunken yob, you stank of booze, were very unpleasant and your language was way over the top.

People left early (not myself) because of your aggressive attitude. You have probably come away thinking what a great day out, I'm so fucking drunk, I'm a proper supporter I am. No, you and your mates are total dicks, I hope you stayed late in the evening and got a fucking good hiding.

Rant over.

Stand up and sing then you fucking plastic!

I'm sure I sang more than most. You miss my point unless of course you were so pissed also you cant remember much from yesterday.

Well said dell boy.

I was wasted yesterday, what happened?

i dont like aggressive pissed up morons having a pop at fans.that is out of order.but frankly our day trippers can all fuck off as far as i'm concerned.

Yes, the drunken yobs were probably day trippers, you're right arriba.

This is what I posted on another thread........................

A note to the guy who sat in row 40 139 H. Little guy short dark hair, red town shirt sat with your mate with white shirts on.
you've got a weak bladder.  You had to go for a piss second half and had an argument with the Town fan sat at the end of the row.
1 You should never drink before a game, you can't handle alcohol.
2 You should feel ashamed of yourself picking on a old man with his family there.
3 you upset a lot of fans around you and the general feeling as a mob we should of done something about you.
4 You sir are a prat and my guess is when outside you were the first back to your car, bus , tube so as not to meet millwall fans.
5 You didn't ruin the day but you added little or nothing to the occasion.

Sadly I've got to agree with Dell Boy.

Just posted on the atmos thread.

Lads round us were pissed out their brains, most fans peaked at the Green man and forgot we had a final to play

I was in 548 and had the same sort of thing with a group of lads at the front of the block.  I was singing but I was also watching the game.  These arseholes were making it pretty difficult to do that.  Late in the game when milwall were trying to keep it in the corner.  Couldn't see what was going on.  But it comes out at any big game.  There was a group of pricks in front of me at Fulham as well.

Just be thankful that they'll go back to watching chelsea next season.

Fucking awful atmosphere.  The most dissappointed i've ever been with a town crowd. 

Someone posted 10 days ago that they couldn't be arsed to go to wemley with 25,000 plastics.  At the time I thought that was a knobbish thing to say, after yesterday i have to agree. Shit on the pitch, made even worse by our pathetic performance off it. All the more dissapointing following the season we've had - some of the best atmospheres i've ever experienced, certainly in the last 10 years.  Was it really this shit in 90/93?

My brother and I were having the conversation this morning, what if we make the play off final again next year - not inconcievable by any means.  Gut feeling right now is that I wouldn't want to go to wembley again, I found it really hard to relate to what was going on inside the stadium.

Probably a bit of sour grapes because of the end result, but I fucking loved the day up until we got to the stadium. Then I realised I was surrounded by thousands of non football supporters. Maybe that is the modern day fan. The sky sports sofa generation who knows.

If we'd had more to get behind on the pitch it would have been better I'm sure, and had Charlie not been fucked over by the pitch, I imagine the noise levels would have gone through the roof. Probably worth remembering that, we had nothing to sing or shout about, so 90% of our fans will resort to default silence, or worse - moaning, in that situation.

Millwall had two things going for them, they were 1-0 up, and they have a throwback chant consisting of "mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" which everyone can join in with. Everyone.

The white kit made no difference whatsoever to the result, but it did succeed in pissing off most of the hardcore fanbase, and probably confusing the majority of the daytrippers. Had no bearing on the result, so FUCKING WEAR RED.

Great day out with a good old group of us, like a proper away day special only on a much bigger scale - but then the reality set in when we got to our seats that this isn't the football I know and love.

Fitton was saying they should hold it at the millennium stadium, I disagree, I think villa park or everton or somewhere like that would be perfect for this level of game. It'll never happen.

Millennium is a bit smaller but is the same kind of place (except not in the middle of an industrial estate) but I've never been there to see a football match. I was thinking Villa Park too but that probably feels like somewhere near the Arctic Circle for the average Sarf Londoner

Agreed, whilst were in the pub (JJ Moon) it just felt like a proper good away game, cracking atmosphere, everyone having a pint, singing old songs etc. but the minute we left the pub it just didn't feel right. Cant believe what a dump it is still round by the ground, just didn't feel that special. Never even thought about buying a flag or program. Couldn't really put my finger on it.
In re. to millwall noise, to be fair there was very few of us singing but the strange acoustics of the place made it very hard to hear what was going on anywhere else in our end even tho on occasion you could tell that we were singing but not what. Millwalls monosyllabic Milllllll was just about the only thing that would have worked in that situation.  

kicked off both sides of me twice in the ground (block 137)

first was just before half time with two blokes arguing about where one was from or something :/

the other was in second half between two men and two women

I've sat and read many posts regarding the atmosphere that was at wembley and one of my points has already been mentioned but think it needs pointing out again.

The main reason why the singing never got going was the "acoustics" in the new wembley are completely different to the old one and very difficult to even hear what people are singing 300 years away let alone the other end of the stadium.

As someone said earlier in another thread the two main songs we heard from millwall was the "we are millwall super millwall" chant which every single fan knows across the country let alone all Millwall fans so that was an easy one to latch onto and also the single note that was sung by them all.
I just never seemed to be able to hear half of what was going on our end even when people behind the goal started, and sometimes could not even tell if it was sound coming from our end or theirs.

True there were a lot of people not standing or singing too much and yes there were some people who don't go very often but that was the same the last 2 times at wembley and it was not a problem then....why?

Well we had never been behind before and more importantly like me i was watching the game with absolute nerves, i could not take my eyes off the game as my view was at such an odd angle i was having to watch the screen most of the time.

We have to remember that not everyone sings and they need encouraging in the right way and i saw plenty of families frightened by groups who could not handle their drink they were literally shouting at them to "fucking sing".

I also though saw a few stuck up fans in our end who clearly had no idea what to do and heard the stories of people telling people to sit down or stop singing.

Football has changed i think but the main reason why the "plastics" were not singing is because they were trying to watch a game of football.

The build up was fantastic but the magic of wembley has disappeared with the twin towers for me.
The only thing i rushed to find was the Bobby Moore statue so i could get a photo of my father in front of it. I made my father go this year even though he struggled to afford it and he was one of many not singing too much as he has watched the town for over 40 years as a season ticket holder and that's the most I've seen him nervous as i think he knew yesterday was a step too far for us but he wanted to just enjoy the experience of seeing his club at yesterday, win or lose.

I guess my point is people are different when watching football.

Christ i talk some shit :)

If I'd known it was you Dell, and have come and said hello....

You old wrinkly, was it you I helped with the zimmerframe?

Nah...they would let me in with my frame, as the gas propelled rocket launchers, apparently contravened ground regulations.

Whilst this clearly wasnt me, as I am slim and sober.

I did something similiar to the people behind me in block 135.

If you are 1-0 down in a play off final and have a corner, right in front of you and you still dont want to get up on your feet and cheer on the lads and try to suck the ball into the net - then you can fuck off. You're in the wrong place.

If you want to come along, you join us, you join in - dont sit their watching it like you'd watch the fa cup final on the tv.

fucking wrong.

I am a very quiet person in general life as I go about my business and I am the same at football matches as well, and I am just not the type of person that enjoys shouting at the top of their voice, it's just the way I am, does this make me less of a supporter for being what I am? There was another hot head near us calling everyone a bunch of cunts for not shouting like him, and the same 'amazing' supporter then missed 30 minutes of the second half as he was getting pissed inside the concourse and then he could barely stand up as he came out as he was so fucked. I have been supporting the club I love all my life and it's a massive part of my life and I've had a season ticket for the last 21 years in a row, and if some fans think they can call me a 'day tripper' or call me less of a fan because I like to quietly watch the matches they can go fuck um selfs.

i cant understand how you cant shout at football.

even if i tried to spot myself, i couldnt - bad language and all

Dave.....just because people dont do as YOU do dosn't mean they are not passionate,people pay there hard earned and can do as they please.....sometimes its down to the  players to inject some energy into the crowd..i am a passionate fan but even i felt flat yesterday at the match...who are you top tell people to fuck off.....i applaud every Town fan there yesterday whether they chanted or not.....alot of those 32000 wasnt Swindon fans but went because the Town they lived in were in the final.....i thaught the Town fans were a credit yesterday...we have shown this season we can match anyone with our level of vocal support,yesterday wasnt the usual but who cares..........its history now.

fuck off leefer, im not having that at all.

If you cant get yourself motived for a corner infront of you, 10 minutes to go in a play off final - our biggest game in 17 years - you are in the wrongly place.

Our 'fans' were anything but a credit.

Come on, the true definition of a supporter is to support, and the only way to really do that is vocally.

So unfortunately, yes, if you sit on your arse with your mouth closed, then yes, it does make you less of a supporter!

I forgot why I don't use these forums any more, but now I remember it's because of small minded bigots like you, maybe one day you will look back and realise what a fucking idiot you really were even trying to run down die hard supporters of your own cub, you should feel ashamed but like the other bigots on here you just can't see it, I really hope one day you will grow up and learn to be more tolerant of others.

With Dave on this. What the heck is the mentality of people who wear the colours and can't identify the importance of their vocal support being a vital expression of that allegiance. Passive support on a day like that (unless you're born mute) is totally unacceptable. Maybe I was embarrased of singing and making myself heard when I attended church as a lad, but thesed days I couldn't give a fuck, tuneless or otherwise. What's the point of turning up. Very disillusioning.

Hilarious  ::)

Hmm, I dont go round calling other fans 'small minded bigots' just because they dont agree with me.

Im not being intollerant, Im just defining what I would expect from a hardcore supporter. Support!

would you like me to delete your account for you?

I'm not with Dave.  Sorry.  Most of us on here are passionate about the club and gave it some vocal welly yesterday (or tried to).  And yes - I was frustrated when the singing didn't take off.  (I was in block 134, and a group of us at the back tried - and failed - to get things going.  But eventually you realised it wasn't going to happen.  Seems a similar story is being told in just about every block in our end.)

But on reflection, if I was someone who hadn't been for a few years ('plastic' seems to be popular term) and I had some apoplectic fool screaming at me to sing his song along with him, I'd have told him to **** himself.  Personally, I like to sing.  That's my look out.  If other people don't, that's theirs.  No one has any right at all to tell others how to conduct themselves...and neither is there any obligation to sing, dance, clap your hands or do a handstand just because you bought a ticket and fancied an afternoon at the football.

On a different note, have to agree with other posters about Millwall's 'songs' lending themselves better to Wembley.  To get going, you'll need a song that's simple, practically monosyllabic and within the capabilities of a 4 year old to memorise.  Our most rousing song (I think) is Wise Men Say which, while it can sounds deafening in the away end of many grounds, is very different to Miiiiiiiiiiiiillwall and No One Likes Us and was never going to get off the ground yesterday.  Maybe we need to think of a new song for the next time we get to Wembley.

I stand by point.

Not only would they not sing, they stayed sat down. Why? whats the point.

When those (tens of thousands?) forked out for an expensive day out, at what point did they think singing, remonstrating, heart-on-sleeve passion was not going to be part of the match-day experience. I'm a very reserved person, terribly shy in the past, but I cannot countenance the thought of supporting my team in a silent fashion. I'd rather not bother were that the case. Each to their own I suppose.

We don't make any noise normally, why should it have been any different at wembley?

The point is they see things differently to you & me.  They may have had a passing interest in the game - probably hoped Swindon were going to win - but were not going to share the delerium if we had won and didn't feel quite the same pain when we lost.  It's almost as if you're instructing these people to share your passion.  It would be equally daft if I went to the opera (I never have, incidentally, but think I would like to one day) and had some opera nut berating me because I didn't have tears rolling down my eyes - like he did - during La Boheme.

Honestly, if we had sneaked a goal...our fans would have found their voice somehow and a lot of the comment about lack of atmosphere simply wouldn't have happened today.  Atmosphere before the game was superb in the pub and I remember saying to my brothers that I really hoped this was not the high point.  Sadly, it was.  We'll be back there one day, and it will be different.  In a few more days, when the immediate disappointment starts to lift, we'll start to see things differently.  Hopefully, a few 'plastics' will return as well.  They may even start to find their voices after a few singing lessons.

calling others cunts,or telling them to fuck off for not singing is out of order.but i dont understand how anyone could not have been up for it yesterday.i rarely sing nowadays exept at away games,but i was trying to start the bloody things yesterday.i was bang up for it.we needed to be the 12th man, and we didn't deliver.

The problem you have with "new wembley" is yesterday was the first time for nearly every swindon fan yesterday.It reminded me of the Brazil game i went to for the first game when it opened.Too many people in awe of the surroundings and too busy taking videos and photo's etc.

On the flip side it was Millwalls 2nd visit in a year most of them were at the stadium last year.Alot of Wall fans reckon they were quiet last year year even if they did outnumber them .This year they new they had to support the team and i would like to think we would do the same next year.

I think the writing's been on the wall for a while of what Wembley would be like.

For a game like that, in a big ground, you need to be persistent. And unfortunately Swindon fans cant manage it, because weve resorted to fast clapping and chanting at the first opportunity.

Anyway. If we go again for a play off, I doubt we'll pull anymore than 20,000. The fans will have more space to sort themselves out.

Sums it up perfectly

They are at a Town game, not just any Town game - if they havent got the passion for the club and want to sit down, in comfort and watch the game they should have stayed at home and watched it on the telly.

Passion? fuck sake, if you havent got it you arent in the right place. Thats the one thing all fans should have passion for the team they support.



admittedly not my finest or most proud hour. But I was frustrated as hell and was trying to get more people involved. I must have banged my foot on the metal flooring about 100 times and try and get clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap SWINDON going.

Again, if you are sitting/standing whatever in another mans world, you do your best to fit in and get into the spirit of things.

To use the opera analogy - I wouldnt go to an opera, stand up and sing. The same way I wouldnt go to football and sit down in silence.

Hmmm, I think a good chunk of those that were there yesterday thought they were at the opera

Very well put, Dave

Ardilles: Great compariosn re:opera. Just frustrating that people were clearly interested enough to make the gig but sank when it came to the thing I thought football revolved around, and makes it unique: visceral lung busting passion.

People paid money to watch a football match

Dave's was much better

I'm fucking awesome when I'm drunk.

True, Dave's has shunted Ardille's analogy off-stage

if you cant get excited and make a bit of noise at your teams biggest game in 17 years, then maybe you should go to the opera instead?

:) or played it off the park

call me a cunt, BUT i think the lower league p/offs should be played at the emerites, 60000, plenty of room for true supporters & it would make for a superb atmosphere :clap:

cunt

Ardiles makes great points and i can understand the frustration of the lack of atmosphere when we've been there before and it's been immense, 93 better than 90 as i remember but yesterday was the first time as fans at wembley we had been behind and i honestly think most of us were just trying so hard watch what was going on the pitch.

I heard today that we've made 500 grand (on bbc report) from these playoffs, if this is true then these plastics have given a nice amount to use for our wage bill next season.

Why? Are the fans equipped with loud speakers playing audio of cheering, chanting fans?

The fans make the atmosphere, not the concrete.

yes i know that, but wembly is to fucking big to get any atmosphere, even milwall had a load of spare seats :no:

One real problem with Wembley is that the fans are split between the bottom and top tiers, with either loads of corporate or empty seats in between.

And the Emirates is exactly the same in that respect.

i've been to new wembley twice before, for england games, and saturday was the best atmosphere i've heard in there by a long way.  Its very hard to get anything going in there because its so big - unless you have really simple chants like Millwall - so I was quite impressed at the start, becasue you could have heard a pin drop at the england games.

People like the ones dell is talking about really don't help.  To continue the high brow analogies its why orchestras have conducters, not self-appointed aggressive enibriates that insult all the musicians and look keen to start a fight.  Everyone wants the symphony to be played as well as it can but it won't work if the brass section is embarrassed by the conducter's behaviour, and would really rather not be associated with it, and the string section is scared of even making eye contact for fear of getting thumped.       

Oh shit (smiley thing, smiley thing)!  Look what I've started.  Think I'm going to give the analogies a rest for now.

Making a good opera analogy is, in many ways, a lot like selling a house ...

Oh sweet Jesus...Bob fucking Holt's getting in on it now.  Please make it stop!!

Can anyone tell me what a plastic supporter is?
If you go on average 15-18 home games and 5-7 away games is that a loyal supporter
I agree with some of the comments i think our support was quiet because of 3 things
New Wembley (looking round all the time
Millwall outside the ground
We did not play well in the first half
Coming back to the Plastic supporter we have te remember the last 10-15 years the bad years we lost a lot of support people have proved last few games of the season the playoffs that they will support the team
Lets build on this we have a good chairman a good manager and players will want to play for Swindon

I was well up for the singing, me and my dad and 1 bloke behind us and two or three infront of us were trying, and we really were trying, but when some cunt turns around and calls me a "plastic ginger cunt" because when he turnt around i wasn't singing at that exact moment REALLY pissed me off, i was one of 189 who went exeter away in the paint pot cup, and im plastic? :)

Oh well, yeah, it was shite we lost but we got nobbed 5-0 by gillingham and finished the season at wembley, double over leeds, southampton. What a season.

Maybe he thought you weren't a proper ginger and had just dyed your hair to try and look like one?

The bloke must have been absolutely fucking hammerred to think that.

You're such a dick. Wouldn't expect someone who only joined us during the last play off season to really get it though.

Our biggest game in 17 years. If you can't get up for that and join in a simple give me an S, then why bother going. I got pissed at the block next to me, much in the same way Dave did.

I'd fucking do it again too.

harsh. i only started watching swindon frequently around that time, i'm fairly certain that i "get it"

Why all the criticism! I understand the reasoning as to why we should have sung a lot more, but being realistic:

- The townend sings through pretty much every games. Say thats 1500 people
- The arkells and the DRS clap along and sometimes get involved with some half arsed attempts of "danny wilsons red and white army". Say thats 8,000 people.
- These make up most of our regular home support

Say there's 5,000 estranged town fans who can't make a lot of the home games, that makes over 15,000 who rarely, if ever, watch us. Lets not beat around the bush, these have turned up because it's wembley. Realistically, how can you attempt them to be as vocal in support as the 1500 TE regulars?

Its not fucking difficult is it?

They join in with the rest of us?

Yes, but these people were here for wembley rather than the football.

I'm as dissapointed as the rest of you, but it's no use getting so worked up over it. What has been has been etc

i had 2 fellas with me who rarely go to games.they sang along.plenty of others tagging along with regulars would have done the same.but in such a large stadium it doesn't work having little pockets of fans willing to sing as yesterday proved.even rotherham today sang better than we did

The songs we have finish by the time the others hear what we are singing. Come on you reds would have caught on but no fucker wanted to sing that as we didn't waer red

Why not sing "come on you reds"?  It was sung at Walsall and Exeter this season to my knowledge and we weren't wearing red then.

Also to pad the numbers up in our end, there was Norwich, Chelsea, Liverpool, Leeds and get this one scummer I recognised from the New Century Club who was positively beaming at the end of the game. 

These people have no love for our club and came along because it was wembley, or their mates nagged them into coming.  I Didn't expect them to sing and I wasn't disappointed.  However the other three who never go to football joined in all the singing and happy clapping.

Im more dissapointed by our own fans fighting each other in the ground and others throwing half filled drinks... Hmmm maybe the fighting started cos they had had a drink thrown over them! If one had landed on my head like it did a poor some poor lad down the front i would have kicked off.

I sang quite a bit I think,go me!

I agree.  For the day trippers, comeon you reds seems odd when we are in white - regulars know what's going on but you don't need head scratching when a song needs to get going.  Also, I spent far too long trying to work out what the song was only 50 or so people either side of me at times because you can't hear it to begin with very well.  By the time I'd got it and joined in, the section who started it had stopped.

We should all practice some non-stop inward singing for next season.

Is anyone ever going to review the Taylor report or are we condemned to sitting down at football forever? There doesn't even seem to be any momentum behind the safe standing campaign any more. In the old days singing fans and sitting fans self-selected themselves into their respective areas, but what can you do now? You can no more chant sitting down than you can dance. When they stopped fans standing up they tore the heart out of the matchday experience.

Great days standing on the terraces, but they have gone.

In what was once a very male audience singing themselves hoarse, farting, having a piss on the terraces through a thin programme, swearing and fighting - its yesterday. Football in all tiers of the game is now geard towards the family experience

Times have changed: the facilities and food have definitely improved, but for most games that deafining atmosphere has gone - so if you want to sing, then sing and enjoy yourselves - but dont force others especially by intimidating them to follow you. You use to stand and the price you paid to enter reflected. Now you pay flipping fortunes to sit, you can understand why people get annoyed when others do not respect this and stand up limiting their view and shouting abuse at them, when they have paid so much for that football experience.

Dell you moan about people getting drunk and behaving in a certain way like they moaned about you not behaving in a certain way. Neither one of you is 100% right.

I dont understand that.

Well you said they were pleading at people to get them to sing. So they wanted people to sing.
You wanted them to be sober, clean up their language and sit down.

I can see both sides of the argument, but clearly there needs to be a compromise. As you rightly point out the days of the terraces are over. But if the 'family stadium' thing is the way football will go - sitting in sterile conditions and only clapping/cheering when the ball is near the goal then why bother going at all.

As others have said, turning up is not supporting. That's spectating. (the last couple of paragraphs are not aimed at you Dell, general observations about fans).

I can see if someone had paid £55 for a seat and had me stood infront of them they'd be a bit miffed. But they should have done their research, and they shouldn't have bought a ticket behind the goal, least of all in the back row.  

Plastic fans who sit down and make no noise whatsoever bring nothing to the table other than money. The quest for money is what has fucked this game up beyond recognition. Football will eventually go full circle and return to the masses, because when all is said and done, the plastics will get bored of it.


Abusing people for not singing is out of order, but its no more out of order than abusing people for getting pissed up at the biggest game in 17years, because you think football has moved on now.

Nothing wrong with people getting drunk:
In the same block we had two drunks who sang, danced and stood up on occasions (at the exciting bit) but also respected those around them, they were asked to sit down two or three times by a family behind them and immediately did.
The drunk who is so drunk that he doesn't really know what is going on at the football game except we are 1 down, doesn't watch the game but screws his ugly shit of face up pleading with others to stand up and sing, if you do not, then verbally abuses, is not acceptable.

I can't believe you're right, and all fans now share your sanitised view of the matchday experience. But I'm quite happy to let you have your day out - why can't I have mine? There's at least a big minority who want to stand up. These pages and pages of complaints from both the standers and sitters would be irrelevant if both camps were provided for. The problem comes when everyone's forced together.

Terracing with rails across every row or two is perfectly safe, cheaper than seats and allows a larger capacity. And a damn sight safer than standing in seated rows incidentally, which is what happens now. What chance we ever see a terrace built again?

To be fair Dell, you've posted a bit of a rant on here and I think you really hoped it was someone from the TEF just so you could have a go at the them. Really this should have been done at the time, I don't know if you asked them to tone down the language, consider the fact they were blocking the view etc.

I was sort of hoping they might come out and give it some.

I did have a word, but the main culprit was too much in a trance to understand mine or anyone elses objections.


PS Red Frog - I am no Plastic, I go to most games and if I was given the choice I would stand on the terrace. Trouble is I dont have that chance anymore especially at new stadiums. Roll on Dagenham and Redbridge next season.

The problem with those who want to stand at games is the way they go about it. The majority have the attitude that they're going to stand and fuck all those around them who want to sit, all this does is reinforce the authorities views that they're all arseholes who shouldn't be tolerated.

We'll hopefully be seeing our ground redeveloped soon, so why not try a campaign to get some safe standing sections? I'm sure there is at least a chance the authorities would allow some grounds to trial it and we might even get some financial help to pay for it. All of which is exactly the kind of thing I can see Fitton and the board supporting - lots of free press, some money to help pay for it and the club looks better all round.

Safe seating? :)

My bad. Corrected.

Why do so many people still stand up then? Dortmund built a fantastic safe terrace within the last ten years. Maybe it's just apathetic Britain that accepts what it was told to do 20 years ago.

I know you're not and didn't imply as much. Like you say, it's the absence of choice that has created this problem. I just wish football authorities would respect the wish of all those fans who want to stand up.