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i found this quite interesting, it only includes 4 of the parties but was easy to do and pretty surprising.

http://www.whodoivotefor.co.uk

i was 31% lib and green, 23% Labour and 15% tory.

32% Lib Dem
27% Tory
22% Green
20% Labour

My top two were Lib Dem and Green.

It is interesting - I did it, as did 2 other people I was with....

All of us vote for different parties, yet all of us came out in favour of Lib dem.

It looks similar above - so I am now pretty sceptical about the results......

Labour 31%
Cons 29%
Libs 23%
Green 17%

Ah - that fucks my theory.....

I'll get my coat  :D

26% Conservative
31% Lib Dems
26% Green
17% Labour

Taking polls like that only hammers home how pathetic i think politics is. I found few questions i consider important or even relevant, although because Labour came out bottom, confirmation bias dictates it has something right.

40% Cons
26% Lab
23% Green
11% Lib Dem

Green           33%
Lib Dem        28%
Conservative 23%
Labour         16%

I'm not voting anyway, I'm not even regitered, but still I found that interesting.

34% Green/Lib Dem
20% Conservative
12% Labour

I would vote Lib Dem but I don't like their pro-EU stance.

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ is similar but more detailed I think.

The whole Pro/Anti Euro argument is pretty laughable.

How does being in, or out, of Europe personally affect most people?

Answer - Not A Fucking Bit.

Thats pretty damn close for me,although i wont be voting.

Conservative 27%
Lib  26%
Labour 24%
Green 23%

You may think it doesn't affect you. I know it affects me & every other tax payer in the UK.

It costs us £6bn a year...and the EU wastes it, and cannot account for it, as their accounts haven't been signed off for the last 15 years (and counting) due to fraud.

And due to the fact most of the stupid laws come out from Brussels...it affects us a lot.

I often hear about these "stupid laws coming out of Brussels" but can anyone actually give me an example please?

banana's

Lib Dem 29%
Tory 29%
Labour 22%
Green 20%

Slightly upset that the Tories came out on top, but at least it was joint with Lib Dem!

Banana's what ?

As people have already said it's the amount of UK taxes that are paid to the EU that is the issue. I wouldn't be too sure the figure UKIP quote is correct but it's blatantly a significant amount of money.

Banana's woaahhh?

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/2010/04/15/is-most-of-the-uks-law-made-in-brussels/

I got bored halfway through. Basically it's bollocks?

So what about cucumbers? Kilos not pounds? Salad Onions not spring onions? I thought that was pointlessly paid for with our English Pounds. Like Quangos.

but quangos are delicious in a fruit salad

hahhahha green party 11% as if anyone would actually vote for the green party
oooh lets all be tree hugging hippys

34% Tory

27% Labour

20% Lib Dem

20% Green

I was planning to vote Conservative anyway.

Aren't you a postman, Ralphy?

Um yes.

 So there are turkeys that vote for Christmas......

Your point being?

Just because i'm a postman, you think I'm pro union and power to the workforce and all that malarky right?

no, he just thinks you're thick  :)

Why??
You think a Conservative governement will scrap Royal Mail?

Utter bollocks.

i think cameron's secret plan is to drop a giant bomb on oxfordshire

The bastard.

And blow his own house up? What a twat!

In all seriousness, I like the guy. I've met him a few times and he seems a decent enough chap.

yes he will drop royal mail straight away.

Ok so if he did, who the fuck would deliver the mail?

Cameron would encourage the people to seize the moment, make the most of the opportunity to deliver their own mail. In between running their own schools and their own hospitals of course.

If anyone actually needs a website to tell them which way to vote they should have the franchise withdrawn immediately.

Ah thanks for clearing that up.

It was stated that the only reason Royal Mail avoided privatisation the last time, was because of the royal bit in the name. Which might explain why their management changed the name to Consignia a while back...before it returned to RM after protests.

It's always possible that Ralphy might keep his job when the axe falls...

Everyone seems to be forgetting that Labour have been trying to privatise Royal Mail for at least a couple of years and have failed. I can't see the Tories wanting to risk it and they'll have plenty of higher priorities if they do gain power.

Nobody is forgetting... It's just that life is too short.

tories will privatise it straight away, it will make them some money and they are desperate to clear deficit. Ralphy post will be distributed same way as parcels, basically by anyone you want.

Probably boy scouts like Christmas...

On Oxfordshire

Only that being in means our government is impotent/window dressing and we are ruled by unelected cunts in Brussels.

Answer - A Fucking Lot.

Tories 32%
Lib Dems 22%
Labour 24%
Green 22%

Some would argue that until a couple of weeks ago we had an unelected cunt ruling from Westminster.

I have a far bigger problem with MP's in Scotland being able to vote on laws that only affect England, on at least one occasion previously such laws have been passed only with the support of Scottish MP's. That is fucked up.

Common mistake that always annoys me.  As a voter you vote in your local constituency to elect your local MP.  The party who gains a majority forms a government.  That party elects a leader who becomes PM.  Unless you lived in Sedgefield, you didn't elect Tony Blair either. 

Based on how the government runs the economy and controls spending my result was:

Con: 34%

Lib Dem: 42%

Green: 39%

Lab: 22%

I didn't say I thought it, just that some people did.

Technically it's not the party who gains a majority that forms a government - it's the person the reigning monarch selects to ask to form a government. Whilst it is normally the leader of the party with a majority of seats or the most seats it doesn't have to be, as may happen in a few weeks time. Though none of that can happen until the current PM resigns, hence why Thatcher was only asked to form a government once.

Though we are moving more and more towards a presidential style election, you've only got to look at the debates to see how much we moved towards electing the PM rather than an MP. Which I find a worry, no one seems to give a fuck about their candidate and whether they're the best person to represent them or not. It's the one thing stopping me from voting Lib Dem at the moment - I really don't like the look of the candidate in Swindon South, prefer someone who is local.

Fair enough.  The move towards presidential syle politics is pretty much unstoppable now - it just seems to me (and I might be wrong, I've been wrong before) that most people ignore the local element of the system.

As someone who feels that 'our' government doesn't represent the views, or wishes, of the majority of people in this country and instead lies to get elected and then backtracks on everything they said they would do before they got into power, I still feel that for most of us whether Britain is in, or out, of Europe makes fuck all difference.

So you're saying after the winning party is announced, we vote on who should be PM?

Watched the English Democrats broadcast last night...on St Georges Day.
Now they have some crazy/stupid ideas but i did find myself agreeing that the 32 billion pounds we in England spend just so the Scots get free prescriptions could be used in a fairer more democratic way....like maybe it being free for the English as well.
Absolute joke that the Scots and Welsh get free prescriptions and the English dont.
Maybe a small issue in the bigger picture but it isnt if you are a working man/woman and have to pay the £7 odd everytime you need medication.

That would be a very good point, leefer, if it were actually true. But it's not. What actually happens is the UK government provides money to the devolved governments of Scotland and Wales (and Northern Ireland in the periods when Stormont hasn't collapsed) for them to spend as they see fit. In exactly the same way as central government dishes out money to local councils etc. It so happens that the devolved governments of Scotland and Wales have voted to spend some of that money on abolishing prescription charges, whereas the national government has not. In much the same way that some councils provide services that others don't. If you want free prescriptions, vote for a party that will abolish charges (or join a campaign to pressure the next government to do so), you don't need to completely dismember the constitution to do it.

That's not the biggest joke, that is reserved for university tuition fees in Scotland.

If you're a resident of Scotland or another EU country outside of the UK then there are no tuition fees. The only people that do pay in Scotland are residents of other UK countries (ie England, Northern Ireland, Wales). How fucked up is that?

Well pauld I have read that the UK government pays over a higher proportion of income to Scotland compared with England's share, which enables them partly to fund free tuition, free prescriptions, free nursing care.
Perhaps you know if this is true, or is it Daily Mail propaganda?
I was opposed anyway to the devolved assemblies, we should have stayed with the same rules for all the UK, so who do I vote for then? soapy tit wank

I'd happily vote for any party that gave total independence to Wales, Scotland and gave N Ireland back to Ireland. If they could chip Liverpool off the rest of England and drag it next to the Isle of Man to use as a prison, even better. All the locals would obviuosly have to stay put whilst it was towed into the Irish sea.

No it is true, but its also true that (for example) the Southeast of England is disproportionately a net contributor to UK govt income compared to the rest of the England, never mind the UK as a whole. That's how taxation works - everyone pays into the pot and the govt spends the money where its needed (or pisses it up against a wall, depending on your point of view)

No. You elect a constituency MP.  The party that has the majority forms a government.  The membership of that political party will have already elected a leader.  That person becomes PM.  You do not vote on who becomes Prime Minister.

Naat. The queen appoints the Prime Monster.

Not that she has ever used her powers of discretion, the useless bitch. She has consistently failed her country, abdicated her national responsibilities and should be hung for treason.

*BUMP* Terry Marsh, is standing in Basildon, ideal candidate for the disillusioned:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8639348.stm

I was 31% Lib Dem, 28% Labour, 26% Tory and 15% Green.

I'm voting Tory though because I think the NI increase should be delayed for a year in order to allow companies to start employing more people. A stronger private economy should create more revenue to support the public sector. I don't want a hung parliament, and I want my MP to be local and to already know the parts of the town that make up the constituency.

Lib Dems have got some good ideas though on taking the first £10,000 earned out of the tax system, scrapping Trident and breaking up the retail, high street banks from the speculating, casino banks, thus preventing what happened in 2008 from happening again (hopefully). 

On the face of it the lib dems policies look pretty seductive. They are however made with the full knowledge that they would never have to put them into action. Some are staright out of the monster raving looney school of politics.
An Amnesty for illegal immigrants is a prime example. As for Trident Nick Clegg was arguing that we needed to keep it in his leadership battle. The cost of £100 Billion is a lot, but is over 25 years. Thats 4 billion a year which although it's a lot of money is small beer when compared to the borrowing figures Gordon Brown has created.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6CPReuT_hg&feature=related

I know that.

I was refering to someone else who said we should change the election system.

I have already voted (by post, Swindon North), had to vote for parliamentary candidates and also local government.

Seeing as we are on the subject, could someone who has a grasp of all this local politics, please explain where the rights and responsibilites of each lie, do their jobs crossover at all?  And also, how much country wide political views filter into decision making process at local level? e.g. do tory local coucillors always tow the party line or is it much more whatever is best for the region.
Cheers (if you are still awake).

Local autonomy over such things as local fund raising, and what to spend money on, were put through the mincer by the Thatcherite governments of the 80's....so for example in the 70's SBC could choose to lend STFC money for the then new North Stand, after Thatcher not possible.

In reality SBC has little room for doing anything outside of Whitehall interference.

Labour came in and devolved some powers to Scotland and Wales, and set up unelected regional government, with the intention of elected regional assemblies, as a counter to the argument as to why it's good enough for the Taffs and Sweaties, but not us. The trial run for this was in the NE, as it was felt, the Geordies might like this sort of thing, but a referendum produced a resounding no vote for elected regional assemblies, so the idea was dropped.

The SW region, of which we are part, had powers over such issues as strategic planning, therefore SBC even if minded could not have blocked the Front Garden.  This layer of government has now been abolished and powers returned to Whitehall.

The Cornish however are quite keen on getting an elected assembly.

There's a lot of other boring shit to do with Unitary authorities and County Councils, but I can't be arsed to type anymore.

I wouldn't worry about that one, the proof required to qualify for this is so impossible to achieve I can't see it having any impact.

How would someone who has lived without any official presence in the country "prove" they had committed no offences for 15 years for example? I'd be hard pushed to do that and I've got the advantage of an official identity.

Well obviously you can't prove you haven't commited any offences. You just have to not have any convictions.

If you haven't got any convictions they wouldn't say "give us more proof you haven't commited any crimes for which you were never caught"!!!

High negativity count there - what exactly do you mean ?

Yeah that didn't read well.

Basically I meant if that law came in...

Immigrants won't have to prove they haven't commited crimes. If they have no convictions that's what counts.

And when you've lived in the country illegally, so don't have an official identity, how exactly do you do that?

What evidence exactly arfe you expected to produce?

You don't have to produce any evidence. If you have been convicted of a crime they will have a record of it.

No one can prove they haven't commited crime beyond the fact they have no convictions.



I think what they are saying is that, for example, an illegal immigrant who came over here and commited a serious crime and spent 10 years in jail wouldn't be eligible for citizenship under an amnesty.

Anyway even in a power-sharing coalition government the lib dems would never get this policy through. It won't happen so it's a bit pointless to argue over.

Sorry Reg, you are completely wrong about that. The SW region of what was formerly known as the United Kingdon is an EU Region. Spot the SW Region MEPs. Spot the local seat of power in Exeter. Spot the planning and John Prescott's mission to set all of this shit up.

This pic is now out of date, but it shows the intent.

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Don't who to vote for? Here's a handy guide

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Quality!!!

Fantastic work, ghanimah!

From that chart I should vote green cos I fucking hate Clarkson!

http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/brighton-pavilion/winning-party

Hmmmm. A very interesting piece on a libertarian blog about what might be behind the Conservatives apparent 'can't get a fag paper between them' stance with respect to Labour and the Limp-dums.

I have pondered this before - if Cameron does get in with a majority, would the real policies be very different from those advertised before 6th May?

I am not wholly convinced that this might even be a possibility, but it would be stunning if it happened.

http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/wait-for-us-to-fail-then-vote-bnp-the-conservative-hidden-agenda/ (http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/wait-for-us-to-fail-then-vote-bnp-the-conservative-hidden-agenda/)

Keeley came across very well.

Fuck me. I can understand why you're world view is so fucking strange if you spend your time reading that sort of bollocks.

Unlike the sort of bollocks that you read?

I did not say that I was convinced by it, more that it is an interesting possibility. I would be as happy as Larry if it was true.

If Cameron is actually a secret plot to fail and make way for a BNP government? Christ, you're even more wacko than you at first appear which is already pretty demented. All hail the New Lizard People Order!

No Paul - not the BNP succession which would indeed be truly horrendous. In this scenario that could only be possible if the Conservatives fuck up big time. Which if the hidden agenda were true would not happen.

Oh and fuck off with the tin foil hat and lizard people bollocks please, it's getting boring. I don't go on about your plastic shoes.

That's direcly what that nutjob blog you quoted says is the endgame of this alleged conspiracy
It's even in the title of the fucking "article":
So my apologies if I took your enthusiasm for this "hidden agenda" at face value - not my fault you haven't read the nutjob blog you enthused about properly

EDIT: And Alan, sorry, my "Lizard People" crack was aimed more at the contents of the blog article rather than you personally, because it is, genuinely, crackers. Shouldn't have had a go at you personally as well though.

But the "tinfoil hat" stuff is really just gentle ribbing, and I don't mind if you take the piss out of my shoes - I don't think either of us have ever really declared we stand or fall on our fashion sense :)

Ha ha. I like this.  As Cameron has never had a job, it makes beautiful sense for him to think us plebs, the unwashed and unable acolytes of Chippy, Chadlington and Charlbury, will do it all for him.   We'll all be so busy running schools, hospitals and er banks that we won't have time for our own jobs.  Which is just as well as there won't be any.

Unfortunately like most of the plastic one's thinking, this simple logic doesn't extend to football clubs, as Dave, the imposter in Dean, can rely on his cuddly mate Mr Murdoch to look after that for us.

Chippy aren't plebs.

Chadlington and Charlbury definitely are