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Title: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:44:26
I find this quite disturbing that someone can go and do this when they have a good job etc,I know depression is a terrible thing but this guy seemed to have no money worries and a good job etc.

A sad loss for family of a young chap who seemed to have a good life.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4886515.Depressed_man___s_suicide_at_home/


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:57:01
Depression can effect anyone no matter what their circumstances.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:59:31
Theres been a spate of suicides recently hasn't there?


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:03:10
Theres been a spate of suicides recently hasn't there?
yeah, over the last few hundred years there's been a few.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:05:49
Haha

I meant in swindon over the last couple of months. Reading the adver over christmas it was full of storys about people killing themselves


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:16:44
It's because we've twinned with Bridgend.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Colin Todd on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:22:19
You've got Bridgend confused with Disneyland there.

Easy mistake to make



Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:23:28
I find this quite disturbing that someone can go and do this when they have a good job etc,I know depression is a terrible thing but this guy seemed to have no money worries and a good job etc.

You don't have to have problems in your life to suffer from depression, the two don't go hand in hand. Plenty of people with everything going right for them suffer from it. To put it simply, depression makes you feel sad when there is no reason for you to.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:24:14
You don't have to have problems in your life to suffer from depression, the two don't go hand in hand. Plenty of people with everything going right for them suffer from it. To put it simply, depression makes you feel sad when there is no reason for you to.

I thought it made you feel depressed?


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:24:44
You don't have to have problems in your life to suffer from depression, the two don't go hand in hand. Plenty of people with everything going right for them suffer from it. To put it simply, depression makes you feel sad when there is no reason for you to.

This, more seriously. I'd reccomend reading Marcus Trescothick's book to anyone who hasn't already.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:27:58
There's more than one kind of depression. Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain, nothing to do with what's going on in your everyday life. My ex suffered from it for a few years.

It cleared up when we split.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:35:37
There's more than one kind of depression. Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain

I think that is more explainable than just normal depression,let's not forget loads of people suffer with depression but dont commit suicide..

herthab did you ever find out what caused the imbalance ?


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: BANGKOK RED on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:39:11
The brain is a very sophisticated piece of kit that must remain very finely tuned to run properly. The slightest little thing out of sync and the whole thing can bugger up.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:41:19
I think that is more explainable than just normal depression,let's not forget loads of people suffer with depression but dont commit suicide..

herthab did you ever find out what caused the imbalance ?

Nope. The bit about it clearing up when we split was a joke! It did clear up though, she was given a course of pills that countered the imbalance (Can't remember the name) and after a while she didn't need them anymore.

It's a fucking horrible thing to live with though, for both the sufferer and their family. I must confess I didn't handle it very well. Everything is rosy, but they're suffering from depression? Took me a while to understand it.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:42:08
To put it simply, depression makes you feel sad when there is no reason for you to.

Read "Sad" as

Unable to get out of bed in the morning
Loss of appetite
Irrational thoughts
Paranioa

I could go on ..............

but it's hardly feeling weepy is it ?


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:42:57
The brain is a very sophisticated piece of kit that must remain very finely tuned to run properly. The slightest little thing out of sync and the whole thing can bugger up.

WORD


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:44:41
You don't have to have problems in your life to suffer from depression, the two don't go hand in hand. Plenty of people with everything going right for them suffer from it. To put it simply, depression makes you feel sad when there is no reason for you to.

I think you can also suffer from depression when your life is shit and there's lots of reasons for you to feel 'sad'.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:45:57
The brain is a very sophisticated piece of kit that must remain very finely tuned to run properly. The slightest little thing out of sync and the whole thing can bugger up.

I would imagine drinking bottles of Tia Maria could seriously fuck up the grey cells.

What do you think Fred?


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:47:44
I think you are right mate


I certainly blame it for my Epilepsy which I can get quite depressed about


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:50:59
I lost a friend to depression-related suicide while at university.  The senselessness of it all completely floored me at the time, and 15+ years later I still find myself wondering where/what he would be doing now.  He was exceptionally bright, charismatic, very popular, glittering career prospects several job offers on the table).

My heart goes out to anyone who suffers from this debilitating illness.  On the positive side, it is at last now recognised as such.  'Pull yourself together, man' would often have been the response in the past...which can only have exacerbated things.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: iffy on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:51:13
Some of the most successful people I know have suffered from serious depression.

From the outside, you'd think they had everything - family, cash, successful career - but depression cuts through all of that. It's an illness.

But most of the time we still think of it as something that can be sorted if someone could just "pull themselves together" or "look on the bright side", which is about as far off the mark as possible.

Trescothick's a good example.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:51:20
I suffer from the usual depression from time to time, when work's going down the shitter, or my love life is in free-fall, or I think about being in my mid 40's with not much to look forward to!

But then I tell myself I'm a pathetic twat and to pull myself together!

But I suppose that's the difference between depression, clinical depression and suicide.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:52:17
Nope. The bit about it clearing up when we split was a joke! It did clear up though, she was given a course of pills that countered the imbalance (Can't remember the name) and after a while she didn't need them anymore.

It's a fucking horrible thing to live with though, for both the sufferer and their family. I must confess I didn't handle it very well. Everything is rosy, but they're suffering from depression? Took me a while to understand it.


I can't really imagine what it was like for you and her family,I have been a bit depressed in the past due to my illness but not to that kind of degree,It really must tear families apart at times to see loved ones in self destruct mode.

Good to hear everything is all ok now.

 

   


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:52:39
I suffered from clinical depression a few years ago. Not good at all. I felt like a right junkie taking those pills.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: iffy on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:55:15
I suffer from the usual depression from time to time, when work's going down the shitter, or my love life is in free-fall, or I think about being in my mid 40's with not much to look forward to!

But then I tell myself I'm a pathetic twat and to pull myself together!

But I suppose that's the difference between depression, clinical depression and suicide.

I think it's because we use the same words for two different things. I can have a shit day and sometimes think "I'm depressed", but it never lasts too long and I can, generally, pull myself together.

There's a world of difference between this everyday "i'm having a shit day/week/month" and clinical depression.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:56:48
but it's hardly feeling weepy is it ?

It was for me, I used to start crying without warning - when walking round the supermarket for example.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 13:57:31
Nope. The bit about it clearing up when we split was a joke! It did clear up though, she was given a course of pills that countered the imbalance (Can't remember the name) and after a while she didn't need them anymore.

probably selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI), the best example of which is prozac.

there are so many different types of anti-depressants which work in a variety of ways, SSRIs are the most commonly prescribed anti-depressant, particularly for clinical depression.

there is still a great deal of mystery surrounding mental health and the way to treat it. it's difficult to get the right kind of help. GPs are understandably reluctant to treat depression outside of their scope, which comprises primarily of prescribing the basic dosage of the most appropriate anti-depressant. whilst this treatment is suitable for examples of clinical depression and helps thousands of people, the resources aren't there for those who need more help... in my experience at least.

an individual can be driven to suicide for all manner of reasons, most never move beyond the contemplation of it.

(and for the record, i don't think it's a selfish thing to do in any circumstances)


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Rustle on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:04:21
I was prescribed Amitriptyline when i bout of depression,the wife said it spaced me out and made me moody and snap at everyone.I was better off without them if im honest,Im sure there was a bit on the news about it a while back saying it was making people worse.

In my case i think it was prescribed for the wrong reason,I could't sleep due to a lot of pain so they prescribed it because it relaxed the muscles and made you get goodnight sleep.  


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:16:16
(and for the record, i don't think it's a selfish thing to do in any circumstances)

If it doesn't effect other innocent people directly. Ie. Commiting suicide jumping off a bridge onto a busy motorway...


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: juddie on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:17:03
my missus lost a housemate to this. Terrible sad for those left behind. And like Ardiles said, this was naother really bright – and popular – individual.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:20:28

(and for the record, i don't think it's a selfish thing to do in any circumstances)

Try telling that to the children, parents, spouses of someone who commits suicide.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: spacey on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:22:34
I suffer from the usual depression from time to time, when work's going down the shitter, or my love life is in free-fall, or I think about being in my mid 40's with not much to look forward to!

But then I tell myself I'm a pathetic twat and to pull myself together!


That's not pathetic. It sounds like you've got good reason to be depressed


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:24:26
That's not pathetic. It sounds like you've got good reason to be depressed

Did I mention I was bald as well?

(Better book an appointment and get a prescription asap)


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:26:27
Try telling that to the children, parents, spouses of someone who commits suicide.
what? i didn't say it wasn't a horrible thing to go through for those left behind.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:29:16
i reckon more people would take their own life if it wouldn't ruin the lives of those they would leave behind.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:29:17
what? i didn't say it wasn't a horrible thing to go through for those left behind.

No you said it wasn't a selfish thing to do, which it obviously is. I'm not castigating those that do it, as their lives (To them at any rate) are so bad that they can only see one way out.
But it is a selfish thing to do.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:42:24
No you said it wasn't a selfish thing to do, which it obviously is. I'm not castigating those that do it, as their lives (To them at any rate) are so bad that they can only see one way out.
But it is a selfish thing to do.



I don't think it can be defined as selfish, their not doing it for their own benefit, its just desperation, the state someone must be in to attempt suicide must obviousy be unbearable, but if you have young kids its simply terrible, hence the truly tragic cases where people have killed young children as well.

Its all down to the stigma around mental health that means that people don't feel safe admitting to having any mental problems in the same way they would a physical one. That is what needs to change.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:54:04
Definition of selfish: looking after own desires: concerned with your own interests, needs, and wishes while ignoring those of others.

Sounds selfish to me.

As I said before, I'm not judging anyone but killing yourself must be one of the most selfish things a person can do.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 14:55:45
it's not consciously a selfish decision though, i guess


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 15:03:21
it's not consciously a selfish decision though, i guess

No, I would guess in most cases you're right. Especially if they were suffering from clinical depression, or another form of mental illness.


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 20:19:15
My mother and father both had severe depresion...it was the main reason i was braught up in care homes...my mother had the electronic treatmeat that zapped the brain....it was meant to kill the brain tissue the docs THAUGHT was the effected area....it was stopped when in reality they found out that it dulled the brain so much that the bad effects outdid the good....is it hereditary ime not sure...i have had some real low times but have learnt how to deal with it without medication....unfortuanatly my sister has very severe bouts of it that makes me think it may be passed down...i know as soon as i wake up if ime going to have a low period and deal with it by just concentrating on getting through the day and not worrying about yesterday or tomorow...if i feel the same the next morning i repeat the process..............


Title: Re: What drives people to do this ?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, February 4, 2010, 00:20:32
It's because we've twinned with Bridgend.

I've been to Bridgend this week and live in Swindon and I haven't hanged myself yet.