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As part of our initiative to be Celtic's feeder club, Scotland Under 21 captain Paul Caddis who plays right back or right midfield looks to be coming our way according to today's adver.

Blimey, Celtic have sold 2 and loaned 2 to M'Boro already obviously got a surplus of players to get rid off

I'm not joking guys. When I saw this I thought bloody hell! I have seen him play for Celtic and he was very impressive.

He could make a massive impact on this team come the rest of the season. Hope I am right!!

After Cuthbert I'm not even going to make some reference to the standard of Scottish U21. If Wilson thinks he's good enough he will do for me. I don't mind being Celtic's shop window so long as they are all as good as Ferry.

Can only echo what Bob's said here when I have seen him play he has looked a very impressive player so this would be another very astute signing from Danny.

Loan. And thanks Bob's Orange for the info. But who do we drop to play him? Manky or JPM? Or can he play elsewhere?

Not 100% sure but I would say that he is more of a creative wide player. I work with a Dundee United fan who isn't in work yet but they had him on loan last year so I will try and find out more info.

Must also be a pretty much done deal for Wilson to start talking about it - although I guess the Adver could have got it from another source... Possibly.

Play JPM on the left and play him on the right. Unless we are selling JPM  :eek:

I have certainly heard a couple of things in late December about JPM going which surprised me at the time, I guess if someone offers money for him with his contract up in the summer then we would take it especially if we have a ready made replacement lined up. Hopefully we can keep JPM as he has been superb so far this season but you cant help thinking that DW would like to finally see a team of players that he has brought in.

Why the end of January? Why not now?

Would guess it's a 3 month loan, so will cover the play offs if we make them. If we took him early he wouldn't be eligible?

I don't think three months would cover the play offs!!

Probably right, the way the weather is we'll probably be playing in June still.

Well well if you pull this one of it will be quite a move imo.
When hutch and Ferry joined i gave my opinions and they were opinions on guys on the very fringes of the first team, Paul on the other hand is right in the mix.

So Caddis here we go
Right back by trade but hes very small so would be a very good right mid imo, played there whilst on loan at dundee utd and did quite well.
Hes pacey and very tricky(expect mazy runs) hes got a good final ball on him aswell and has set up a fair few in his short game time at 1st team level.

Not a bad defender either by all accounts one of his first starts was v Barca and he waas on Ronaldinho and did a very good job imo.

Captain of scotland u21's and of our reserves (was our reserve captain at about 19 or 20)

Hes VERY highly rated here but hes got the problem that hes right sided his competition on that side is hinkel and mcgeady they have been probably our 2 best players so far this season so hes been frozen out a bit.

All in all a good move for both parties imo and it says alot about your club manager and setup that we want to loan you another.

Lets hope hes a Ferry and not a Hutch

thanks celticbhoy

Sounds good. I guess he would come right side and JPM go left? Although I'd be warey of splitting up big kev and JPM.

Unless JPM is off.

I'd assume JPM is off, or likely to be in the summer. Although we have been commenting about lack of RB cover.

Thanks for the background Celticbhoy.

This is the Macca replacement surely. Creates some good competition for both Kev A and JPM. Sounds like he might have the injection of pace we were looking for.

Feels good that we're constantly raising the standard of the squad.

but JPM has been playing centrally, so maybe he's not off?

Sounds like good practice for pitting his wits against Stockport's finest.


Can't beleive we will get someone of this calliber in. Then again I'm beginning to suspect two scenarios:

1. Celtic are joining the English leagues by a slow under the radar assimilation of STFC. OR
2. They will let us have Caddis, provided we keep Hutch until the end of the season!

Either way keep 'em coming.

Have we definitely extended Ferry's loan yet?

I thought he has been mostly on the right?

My Dundee United mate says that Caddis played on the left for them as they were quite strong on the right.

im loving this, my celtic season ticket holding family cant believe we will get him, top player by all accounts. I might get a celtic swindon hat just to piss off spencer :)

i think ferry has extended his loan yeah.

on the reasons your getting Caddis its games for the boy, not sure if you are aware but the SPL no longer has a reserve league.

guys over the age of 19 but not 1st team regulars struggle to get a game of any sort they have to make do with bounce games, weve recently played everton reserves and newcastle reserves.

tough for them having no proper games to play

CELTIC FANS VIEWS....

Joe,
Don't know about you...but this is one player I do NOT want to see leaving Celtic...even if it's just on loan.
I think this young guy is a very good player indeed and has been treated badly at Celtic.I've never seen him having a bad game when he got the chance.....and it's this kind of decision that baffles me.
For the record....I don't know the boy nor am I related to him....I just think he's better than some we've got, and who seem to get a game without trying too hard.
Rant over....keep up the good work Joe.

12 January 2010 09:32 
 Joe McHugh said...
Caddis is a difficult one to call, the only certainty is that he needs to be playing football. Darren O'Dea's loan to Reading underlined that.

Caddis is a very good, sharp, lively footballer but possibly a bit lightweight for defence.

Andreas Hinkel is an equally difficult call. He links well with McGeady going forward but has been caught lacking as a defender, notably with recent goals lost at Motherwell and Hearts.

Maybe the new look central defence will help bring out the best in Hinkel and Danny Fox.

The big decision on Caddis this season was playing Mark Wilson at Ibrox, that suggested that Caddis couldn't be played in the big matches, that he wasn't ready in Tony Mowbray's mind.

If Caddis can make the impression on Swindon that Simon Ferry has then it'll be now or never time for both players next season with their Celtic future's or otherwise certain to be decided by 1 September 2010

12 January 2010 10:25 
 Anonymous said...
Good response....
For the record ...I don't see Caddis as a defender....I think he's an out and out mid-fielder...
Repeating myself I know, but......
I don't think he's had a fair crack of the whip.....
worse players than him have had extended runs in the team.....
still what do I know ??

Actually I wasn't aware.

What is the Celtic connection?
Is it that Neil Lennon (celtic coach) and Wilson know each other from the Northern Ireland setup?

If he can play left I like the thought of him and Sheehan down our left.

Sounds promising let's hope it happens

Wilson said he gets on very well with Mowbray and a few others up there.

hes shit

I'll wait to pass judgement, when and if he signs. He might be like ole lead boots, although reports to say different.

But did he say if Caddis was any good for them?

Me neither - which explains a few things as to why they are coming down here when had there been a reserve league, they may not.

Concerning though is JPM's future.  I'm guessing he should be offered a new deal (based on this seasons performances) unless hes not keen, as in that case we should sell & cash in before he walks for nothing.  I for one would be very disappointed to see him go.

Hypotheticals aside though as perhaps he wants to stay!

i imagine this is where he will fit in personally with Sheehan allocating the left back slot.
JPM has no reason to be dropped. he has performed almost consistanlty so far this season so would be very unfair on him if he is dropped for a young loan player.

But one thing it will do is provide competition for his RM place if his performance does drop.

DW is keeping everyone on there toes which is a good thing

We have a very decent midfield, best we've had for years, this loan signing of Paul Caddis gives us cover at right back and right midfield. If we can field the perfect XI every game then there would be no need for quality signings like this, but we will have injuries and probably suspensions and that is the reason he has been signed. Sign a forward and we are looking quite a strong unit for 2010.

...and what with all the postponements lately and a backlog of fixtures teams in L1 will be more and more reliant on strong squads and not just starting 11s, signings like this will surely see us rise above other teams around us on this front.

All looks good to me at the moment.

Said he was a decent wee player.

Any good on xbox ?

Saw this on the back page of the Adver when I was in the chippy earlier. Must say I am optimistic.

Yesterday's news then ?

Think it was today's nev

Don't worry, I'm sure the chips will taste delicious.

I've been thinking about this and put myself in his shoes. He wasn't treated well last season, which was perhaps justified, and if i was him i wouldn't sign a new contract out of spite.

JPM is either putting himself in the shop window or proving to Wilson he is worthy of a new contract personally I cannot see Wilson letting him go unless he has let it be known he wants to move on, he is playing too well to allow a rival to sign him, and he is probably good enough for low end championship football as well, another reason to keep hold of him.

the traditional youtube footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK5w2vEAHOg

I heard before Christmas from someone that I usually trust for a bit of gossip that we were going to sell JPM as he wasnt Danny Wilsons "type of player" but I dismissed it as nothing ever seem to happen about it.. But then now it seems maybe there is a glint of truth??

Is glint the right word to use in that sentence??

Sure, why not.

Sounds like it would be a great aquisition, would he play ahead of kev though?

Although the comepetition for Kev and JPM(if hes still here) would be good

Our squad is aslo starting to look rather strong, 1 or 2 more in backup could be useful though.

I am led to believe that both Blackpool and Sheffield Wednesday have been watching McGovern.

He's been very good for us this season hasn't he, would be a shame if he left.

JPM just isn't an out an out winger is he? Probably more suited to Sturrock-esque teams that like to tuck in and play narrow but Wilson like it wide and on the flanks.

I can't help but to think that Christiano Roberto would have flourished in a Wilson team. Shame.

he's the best wide player we've got though, i think it'd be a shame to get rid of him especially given we've got issues on the left with fitness

League one is Mcgovern level, I can't see him leaving for a higher Division team.

McGovern has been fucking class this year. Look how good he was against Fulham if you don't think he can hack it a league up. His link-up play with Antelope Amankwaah is first class. Lets hope JP isn't going

Hardly set the world a-light when he was at Bristol City in Wilsons team.

I think Christian Roberts would have been shipped out like Macca.

JPM being what 27/28 and with 6 months left on his contract is not going to command a big fee at all, infact we'd probably make more money keeping him - getting into the play offs (minimum two extra games, both on tv) plus the increase in gates if we kept winning/stay in the top 6.

Plus, he's been our best player this season and has the most assists in the division, would be a huge loss.

usually your assimilation of views on here is pretty spot on, but this one has gone awry.

mcgovern, along with douglas, is the absolute lynchpin of this team. it doesn't matter that he doesn't beat a full-back with pace because his delivery and link-up play are a class above

Where has the idea come from he's leaving anyway? Were only signing a right back to cover for Manky if he gets injured. We don't often offer new deals this early yet.

A Dickie Bird has told me that Blackpool are in for him....think it was on Twitter!

So JPM turns it on and off to suit himself?That's cuntish behaviour.

Fair enough.

I am not having a dig at him, after all by all accounts he has been superb. I just can't seem to get a mental image of what position he even plays in and what kind of balance the team has with him in it.

Of course I am at an obvious disadvantage in the regard.

Regardless, it is certainly working and that'll do me just fine.

So you think McGovern will fly, to make room for Caddis...I suppose it means he'll spend less time in the Larva Lounge.
 

And I thought I was the only one wondering this! There's a rumour going round that we're after a right back who has been known to fill in wide right and left, and all of a sudden we're mourning the loss of one of our best midfielders?! There are rumours that Championship clubs are after him, but none of us know where they have come from, and JPM could be signing a contract extension next week for all we know.

I think we all hope JPM stays R4E. He's arguably been our best player this season, certainly the most creative. If Caddis comes I'd hope he and JPM play.

My concern came from the fact we are after a player than can play his position, coupled with what he said in an Adver interview (I'll try and find it),  in addition to his superb performances that are bound to be attracting unwanted attention from other clubs.

And yes it is probably just a case of putting 2 and 2 together and making 5. I hope so!

edit: OK I re-read said article and he didn't say what I though he did!

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/4834634.Keeping_focused/?ref=rss

I originally read that as saying if he got other offers so be it. He meant a new contract here didn't he?!

Here? http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/4834634.Keeping_focused/

“I’m out of contract so if something happens in January then so be it,” he said.
“But that’s not up to me - that’s in the hands of the manager.
“It’s a strange time but it’s just part of the game.”

“You’re always keeping an eye on things (in the transfer window),” he said. “I’m addicted to the 405 updates (Sky Sports News) just in case you see your name.”

I don't think there's any serious suggestion there that he's looking for a move away. More a case of not wanting to say anything about definitely staying or definitely going, which is sensible given that it could be taken out of his hands if Wilson and Fitton wished.

This guy sounds good. Would be a decent signing hopefully. If he's anywhere the level of Ferry and Cuthbert i'll be really happy. Sounds like it starts at the end of Jan when Hutchinson's loan expires. Makes sense. Clear one out for another. What's all this about JPM as well? Wilson said in the Adver today that Caddis can play in any position other than a goalie or striker. His best position is the right but Wilson clearly stated he is here for cover on the right and elsewhere if need be. With O'Brien injured and Sheehan better at LB I can see Caddis playing on the left for a while.

I have said for a long time i personally don't think Jpm will be here next season.I don't doubt that this lad can play on the left for one moment but wilsons comments below suggest he will be on the right side

He is a very good player who can play in any position across the back or the middle of the park, and that is perfect for what we want.

“We know where his assets are and what his best positions are, and that is anywhere down the right-hand side.

I dont think the club would offer JPM a new contract longer than a single season, and thats why he'll be leaving. Unfortunately JPM has shown he needs motivation and for 18 months in the middle of a 3 year contract he struggled to find that motivation.

But Im sure a League 1 club will offer him a 3 year deal, because he has been a good L1 player this season.

We cant afford to have 'lynchpins' of our team leaving in 6 months time. This simply isnt how its done at well run clubs. If McGovern is leaving in the summer then he will probably have less and less of a role to play between now and then.

I think Wilson prefers faster wingers. McGovern is a sort of poor mans Beckham. But to be honest, I think McGoverns days are numbered because Fitton hasnt really forgiven him for his performances under Malpas. Fitton wont offer him another big contract.

I reckon everyone is making something out of nothing over JPM. There are a lot of good reasons for him to stay; the team are playing well, we're challenging for promotion, he's playing every week, the club is stable financially, he's settled in Swindon and so on.

But if he does go, is it really that big a deal? Over the last 12 months Wilson has brought in Lucas, Sheehan, Greer, Cuthbert, Douglas, Ferry and Austin - that's 7 of our starting 11. I'm sure there will be a few coming in during January and then a few more during the summer, potentially more once we've offload all the dead wood.

So I have every confidence that Wilson will be able to replace JPM (or anyone else) if they go.

Wilson has pretty much said a lot of the reason why they're not sorting out contracts yet is they don't know where the club will be next season. Will we be in the Championship or challenging for the title / playoffs / mid table / relegation in League One? It makes a big difference as to whether he wants a player to stay or not and the length of their contract.

then more fool fitton.

He is our best player we should be busting a gut to get him signed.

He has been one of our best players this season. Hard to tell if that will be true of future seasons.

I agree but I think we should take the gamble.

He's not our best player. He can play in a good team, but he doesnt have that mark of a really important, influential player who can shine in a bad team. They are the players you offer really good contracts to because you know you can count on them no matter what. He will want a long contract and STFC wont offer him one, and rightly so.

you could argue that point about any of our players tho. He has definatly earned a new contract offer based on this seasons efforts.

I'm liking the hype about caddis. Is he 1 of the 2 exciting players that the chairman mentioned was due to join our club this week?

Yes you could, but McGovern's transformation has been spectacular. I think it's for a number of reasons but it's clear he's putting more effort in than he ever has. I'm not saying once he has a new contract his form will dip, more that one good season in three isn't going to take us to the next level and is a bit risky.

McNamee had one and a half good seasons but people were glad to get rid. What happens if McGovern does the same and we're stuck with him for another three or four years.

Either that or keep making him snort nutmeg before games, which is my other theory to his greatness this term.

I don't think anybody's suggesting we give him a 3 or 4 year deal. Let's face it, he probably won't even get on the bench when we're in the Champions League...

Yes but as Spencer says, that will be the reason he leaves (if he does).

I think its a bit unfair to say he's only had one good season. Like most he was decent enough under Sturrock.

We should be trying bloody hard to keep our best player, simple as...

Agreed

I think its a bit unfair to say he's only had one good season. Like most he was decent enough under Sturrock.

We should be trying bloody hard to keep our best player, simple as...

JPM has been quality for us this season, i think we should definatley sihn him up.

IMO, i couldnt really see him wanting to go to many teams, maybe a few at the top unless he is sure or in doubt that he wont get a new contract here.

Im being cynical but the JPM thing stinks of Grant Smith all over again.

I hope im wrong.

TBH if we get Caddis and he is as good as he has been hyped....not always the case....I can't see JPM playing the wide left role, Caddis is totally one footed and thats the right one.

He has strengths that the team are missing, being able to take on players and get in crosses so IMO we need to be playing with 2 out and out strikers not just one which means that JPM wont be able to play as a free roaming attacking midfielder.

If JPM is willing to hug the left touchline then he will have a future as it seems O'Brien is a sick note, unless Danny goes out and buys a left back pushing Sheehan to left midfield making JPM redundant as there is no way he will replace either Ferry or Douglas in the centre of the pitch.

Unless we are planning to play 3 at the back.....Greer, Cuthbert & Morrison with two wingbacks in Sheehan and Caddis with Douglas and Ferry as holding midfielders and JPM in front of them as the creative player leaving Paynter and Austin up front.

Only time will tell.

I cant see JPM being here next season, not sure about the rest of the season though.

i tried it in fm 2010, it didnt work

I like the idea though. I think all our fullbacks (Sheehan, Kennedy, Amankwaah) get forward well and posses the attributes to perform as wingbacks anyway. Sounds like Caddis would fit right into this mould as well.

And although it was a nothing game, three at the back worked reasonably well against Peterboro' away last season.

Yeah, but Cuthbert and Douglas aren't out of contract this summer theres no need to worry

...but Paynter, JPM and Austin are.

Nice one Reg, was trying to work the 'fly' thing into a comment.

JPM and Paynts are solid League 1 players who are having a good season, and they deserve all the crecit in the world for it, but they're not a patch on Cuthbert, Douglas, even Lucas and Greer. Players who have played or will play at a higher level for the majority of their career,

Since when did signing a player on loan become clear evidence that another player was going to leave when that loan finshes?  Everything I've heard suggests JPM is happy at the mo, in a new relationship and so far we have information that suggests Caddis plays right back, can play wide right but has been playing wide left.  Did I miss something that made the leap to JPM going?

They clearly are a 'patch' on them as they are playing just as well as, and in some cases better than the players you listed.

Consistancy is the key.

I got slated earlier in the season for daring to suggest that JPM may only be putting it in so he either a) gets a big fat new contract here and then goes back to not being arsed (Like last year!), or b) looking to put himself in the shop window for a big fat signing on fee elsewhere in the summer. As things drag on and his situation contract wise doesnt change, I'm edging towards going for b!!

It pains me to say it, but I think my  early season ranting may be proving to be correct!!

And before anyone gets at me, I think he has been superb this season, wherever he has played. And I hope he signs and does the same next year.

I've not been a fan of McGovern in the past and I'm not going to change my opinion of his past seasons just because by comparison he's been immense this season. He absolutely deserves the accolades he is getting for this season. This is the best season of his career.

I'm also not going to suggest he's playing better for a long term contract or bigger move as this may be completely unfair. But if he wants more than a 2 year deal on the kind of wages he'll demand, I'm not sure we'll keep him based on his first couple of seasons.

Sturrock was only around for a few months when McGovern was here, saying he was only good for one season out of three is not harsh, maybe actually generous.

Personally I hope we keep him and he continues to play very well. He's probably been one of the best midfielders in the division this season which is a credit to his transformation.

But they havent offered any contracts to anyone though yet have they?