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Hey guys joined and posted when you signed these 2 on loan was just wondering how they have got on? from what i can see simon has done well and ben has been well.....guff

heres what i said at the time dunno how its worked out

Ill start with ben
hes a goalscorer pure and simple you will see at times he has that greedy streak in his game (good or bad? who knows).
Hes pacey (this leads to a fair few hamstring injuries sadly) for me he would be a good lone striker or middle of a 4-3-3. hes a strong lad and takes the ball in well.
His goals range from tap in to the special (scored one last season after picking it up in our half) hes also got a decent freekick on him aswell btw.
Not overly tall but hes got a decent leap on him.
You might think "wow why is he on loan?" well its been odd for him he came in and got alot of press but strachan just didn't like him don't know why. Last year for instance a celtic forum i am a member off had a 50 odd page thread about wanting ben to play.
At times i think you'll love him at others he will frustrate imo.

Now Simon firstly im sure you all know about his 2 years injured. Ill say now honestly if he didnt get injured he would be one of our top players, the progress he was making was excellent. at the european under 19 championships he was the business.
Hes a tenacious wee box to box play, probably more on the attacking side.
hes got great intelligence and strength, passes well, makes good runs, can shoot, loves a tackle (sent off in his 1st game back from injury)
when he was younger he was likened to gerrard in style hes that kinda guy all action.
Hes small but strong and hell take a kick no probs

He returned from injury and literally walked into the 1st team squad and this is a guy that hadn't made his top team debut yet.
The late great tommy burns ran our academy and made no secret of his love of simon he adored him as a player and always said "hes the one"

on a side note simon as a guy is great, right funny wee bubbly guy hes got a real personality and you see it all over his game.

oww and yer going fairly well were unlucky at the weekend. well in

Hutchinson is shit. Ferry is class.

Ferry has been immense, would be delighted if we got him until end of season

And there theres Hutchinson...

I'm with Strachan on Hutch - hes lazy, uninterested and pretty rubbish in general.

Ferry on the other hand is a superb midfielder & I'm praying he will stay!

Unfortunately we've seen nothing of the Hutchinson you described,but Ferry,I reckon will come back to you next season and get in the first team.By the way your other two exs are playing brilliantly!

I'm beginning to think we only took Hutchinson because Celtic wanted us to get him in the shop window. Probably meant we could have Ferry as well though, so not all bad.

Has Hutchinson ever been an unused sub for us?

Actually, I feel you deserve more detail here. Hutchinson is lazy, arrogant and shit.

He's been an unused starter

What he said.

ach well i suggest hutch would be good then bad but sound like hes just been bad


funnily enough no celtic fans are really asking about him either i think the boy needs an attitude readjustment

Ferry on the other hand we are all delighted for and hes got a fair wee bit of press up here (one of those characters i think everyone likes)

glad to see at least one loan has worked well for you i wonder if youll look to make anymore from us this transfer window

name a position ill see if i can suggest someone haha

Left back please.

Hutchinson is the worst player at Swindon who gets game time. He cannot play at the tempo of our other players. At Wrexham (a non league side) their defence had him in their pocket all game. I think he is one of these players who is making a career out of looking good on the training ground and in reserve team football. He never gambles or takes a first time shot. We are praying for him to go back because he has frequently been our worst player.

Ferry is a class act and we want him on a permanent. If he stays fit he can play for Scotland. As could Cuthbert if your interested.

weve got a young lad anton kurakins, signed him last january hes slovakian i think.
Good wee player on the fringes of our 1st team plays in all our reserve bounce games.

sounds like hutchison wants to waste any talent he has.
think he has 6 months left on his deal with us, looks like hell end up at inverness caley or something

MUG

Ben Hutchinson has been nothing like you said and despite being small built, young and black he is certainly not pacey. I'd fancy my chances in a sprint against him!

Simon Ferry has been top quality, not quite as box to box as you described but I think in part thats down to our team rather than him personally.

I'd love us to sign Ferry and dont think anyone would have noticed or cared if Hutchinson had been sent back 3 months ago.

Celticbhoy - Do you know Ferry has said he wants to stay down here permanently?

Yeah i think hes basically said if hes not gonna play 1st team here hell stay with you

i like that attitude

Just curious thats all - could you see it happening?

Ferry is good, especially compared to what we had last season, but I'm not sure he's as good as everyone makes out. He seems to have been a bit off form recently, especially towards the end of games. There again, it might just look that way as Douglas has been on fire of late.

I think he's still some way off from being able to challenge for the Celtic 1st team and I'd imagine they agree as he's staying with us for the rest of the season. I'd love to sign him permanently though and maybe Celtic would sell for the right offer - well worth breaking the bank and paying £500k for him.

As regards Hutchinson, he's shit.

Can we keep Ferry permanently? Please?

Hutchinson must have had promise at one point, i'm sure I read somewhere that he scored on his Premiership debut for Boro before being snapped up by Celtic. But he hasn't shown anything here at all. Totally un-interested and gutless, i've seen more balls on a eunuch.

When his dad found out he wrote a song about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMpW84xnsTs&feature=PlayList&p=089298D131D7EC5F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMpW84xnsTs&feature=PlayList&p=089298D131D7EC5F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19)

Well lets put a different angle on this...BH has made 9 appearances for us this season so obviously Danny Wilson sees something in him...not a great fan of his but hes only 22 and i for one thaught he looked half decent on Saturday...just because he dosnt run around like a chicken with no head dosnt mean hes as bad as people are saying....maybe its because i like the underdog but we were all saying the same thing about JPM last season...so i will give it abit more than nine appearances before making a judgement....Ferry is quality,i doubt we will be able to sign him unless we go up a level.

Uh huh... OR it's part of his loan agreement to play when he's fit so Wilson's hand is forced, and in fact he's just as shite as everyone else thinks he is.

Wilson is never told who to play....hes a manager not a muppet,ime not saying hes not shite...ime just saying we had players last year we were all knocking...Amankwah and JPM especially...ive got a feeling Wilson will stick with him.

JPM did at least have a great 6 weeks when he joined the club.

Hutchinson's has shown nothing.

Wont argue with that Spence...what ime trying to say is that while hes playing ,picked by our manager i will want him to do well....and not shriek bullshit at him while hes playing.....like a few were on Saturday...and matches before.

Have to agree with most others on Hutch. At 22 and soon to be out of contract the bare minimum I'd expect is for him to bust a bollock for the team in effort. But he just doesn't seem to care really. That may not be the case, maybe there is a player in there, but we just haven't seen it.

Ferry has been excellent. A real worker. Seems to know his limitations and keep it simple, though that's not to say he can't pass. The only criticism I can think of is he doesn't shoot enough!

He reminds me very much of Moses Ashikodi.You know deep down somewhere there is a player ready to come out but he just doesn't have the mentality to knuckle down and do it.

As i said DRS that couldve been aimed at plenty in our squad the last few seasons....only time will tell i suppose eh.

Hope not. 9 appearances is plenty to impress. Next!

That's OK when it is our player we are trying to unleash the potential. But in this case I'd send him back and et Celtic worry about it! But I do have a feeling Wilson may extend his loan.

Oh i do agree Batch just amazes me how players at that age can have that mentality

I think we all agree on that! Too much too young.

Wouldn't surprise me if Wilson went back to Celtic for someone or scotland at least, any decent left wingers available ?

Is purely coincidence that Hutch put in a decent shift against Prem opposition?

He is arrogant, it ain't rocket science.

He can't afford to be though Br

Cant remember him troubling the keeper at Fuham.

From what I gather you are 100% correct.

Just a shame that he is too arrogant to see it himself.

I have had a butchers at the Celtic forums tonight and they all seem genuinely chuffed to bits for Ferry, he seems a very popular lad up there. Many are even happy to accept it if he stays here, they just want him to do well, that's how popular he is. Similar with us and Cox I think.

They also have a lot to say about Cuthbert and seem genuinely disappointed that they let him go for so 'buttons', again a player who was liked up in that neck of the woods.

Hutchinson: Well, none of them seem to give a flying one about him. They just don't seem interested in the slightest.

I think he takes a lot of stick for his attitude, the truth is we talk about it too much and he isnt very good.

Makes you think when Celtic fans were talking about signing Cox this time last season (saying he's just a League 1 player, we can get him for peanuts etc).  

Andy Driver at Hearts. No chance of him signing here though. Think Coventry were looking at him a while back. Would be immense.

I was just putting a different slant on it Bangkok....i understand...you dont like him!
Its just a shame for you lot you aint picking the team.

Not all of us!


Then surely he would have played more than 9 games, he has been here sinc August!

Erm... maybe... he could have been injured or something...

For his age and lack of first team exposure before coming here, Ferry is an absolute class act.  He's had games where his influence has not be what it could, or been off form a bit but under that you can still see a quality player is on the pitch.  If we get him then Celtic should have us up in court for daylight robbery.  Wherever he ends-up, he'll go on to play for Scotland.  With a few more years under his belt he shuold start to develop the ability to really drive a team.

Hutchinson - I'm not so anti as everyone else, I can sort of see how he got where he is, but I can see him bombing out of football if he's not careful.  He seems absolutey put out by having to play at this level.

With regards to Ferry I think some people have already pointed out that because he is playing with Douglas it sometimes looks like he hasn't played as well as we know he can. It's a similar situation with Greer and Cuthbert. In reality both Greer and Ferry have been good this season and the so called "poorer games" are the ones where Douglas and Cuthbert have been the dogs bollocks. How refreshing it is to have 2 great partnerships as the spine of the side. When you compare Douglas and Ferry to what we had last season in CM there is a clear gulf in class. I really hope we can sign Ferry as one of our own come the summer.

Agree with IOB's post.

Ferry and Dougie are a class act. Neither get noticed that much as individuals as they both keep it simple and unspectacular, but the fuckers get through an amazing amount of graft coupled with the ability to keep the ball and pass consistently and inteligently.

Ditto Greer and Cuthbert. Greer has been picked up for maybe not playing as well as when he first came to us, but I'd honestly take him playing like that over Aljofree, Ifil or Morrison. Cuthbert may have a little wobble as well, but again, I'd take that. Between them they have largely stabilised the defence this season, both of them talk and they can play the ball around and out of defence rather than just hoof it.

I didn't think we'd sign players of this quality so quickly after the fuck up with Malpas. Massive credit to Wilson, Fitton and the board for the long awaited revolution on and off the pitch;-)

I don't get to many games anymore for a number of reasons, but having seen a few Wilson and having been a regular until near the end of Malpas, the difference in the team now is massive.  The Brighton game just before Christmas was my last, so more regular goers correct me if I'm wrong, but the team had a unity to it that I had not seen in years.  This, to my eye, was based around three partnerships through the middle.  Cuthbert and Greer defended well (in the main), Douglas and Ferry seemed to work together in a way the CG hasn't seen in years, offering solidity, creativity, intelligence and patience.  Finally, Austin and Paynter seemed to have an understanding far beyond the few games they had played together.

All in all, very impressive.  Hats off to Danny Wilson, and long may it continue.

Its all relative. When I've said, say, Ferry or Greer have had a shit game I'm comparing their performance to the way the others played and the way they themselves can play. I don't think I've seen either of them play as badly as the players they replaced did on a regular basis last season, so its a different degree of shit that I'm referring to.

The way we've been playing recently has raised expectations and leads to performances being labelled shit that we would have all been more than happy with last season.

As people have been saying elsewhere for a while, it is not only the three partnerships in defence, midfield and attack, but a solid GK, and good linking play at least on the right side, with Amankwaah and JPM coming into their own through the quality of the others.  That just leaves the left-side to sort, plus the depth of the squad.  Clearly neither Hutchinson nor Revell have provided the depth in attack, and when Douglas was out, the midfield struggled, and everyone is expressing concern about any loss of Greer or Cuthbert...DW has made it clear left midfield is a priority - Lescinel seems to be good but unpredictable and O'Brien hasn't had a chance to prove his worth yet...so yes I hope (as a resident of the Highlands) that our new-found relationship with the Scottish league will provide more inspiration!

hutch is shite and has had ample chance to show his worth.
ferry is decent but i dont think he's as good as alot of others it seems.needs to be more of a scoring threat and take a bit more responsibilty.that said i'd like him to join permanantly as he deffo makes the squad stronger.

Hutch is up there with the shitest loans ever......Adibadloanee looked better...

At least he gave a shit...when Hutchinson couldn't !!

Hutchinson manages to make playing football look effortless. Mainly because that's precisely how he plays it

I reckon Hutch will sign on loan for the rest of the season and score the winning goal at wembley in the play offs to take us up and write himself in STFC fokelore!

Loved the fact Billy got a massive round of applause/partial standing ovation then Huthchinson ran on and the place went silent and everyone sat down.  You would think he would put more effort in to try and get a better reaction from fans but he just always looks uninterested, cant wait for him to go back to Celtic.  If he doesn't sort out his attitude soon he could dissapear out of football in the next couple of years.

He already has - laziest, most disinterested player to pull on a Town shirt

I don't think its because he's lazy or disinterested, i think he tries. Alas, he's just not very good and quite slow (in footballing terms)

Ferry was quality today. Shame he didn't get the goal to top his performance off.

i thought he was our worst starting player today.

Gillingham were a physical side, thought he got stuck in, linked up the play well and was getting forward more than usual.

never won a 50/50. gave away silly free kicks and scared to shoot.

Well he won plenty of 50/50s so you're talking bollocks. I would like to see both he and Douglas try a few more shots though.

no he didn't.he tracks runners well but doesn't stop them enough.
overated.

Douglas wont score many but when he does, it'll be something special...

Who would you play instead?

i'd get someone in.

how can you win a 50/50?? its mathamaticaly impossible.

49/51 maybe?

always got to have something to moan about dont we?

Jeez...you still got a shed load of Christmas sherry you've been tucking into this evening? cos you really are talking out the back of your arse.
All that was missing from his performance today was a goal, and had the Pikey keeper not had a blinder he would have had a couple of goals to celebrate.
He put his shift in well and truly as he has done on other occasions too. He compliments Douglas really well and is an important part of what I think is the main reason for our improvement in the last season and that is at last a competitive and decent ball playing midfield !

Really Arriba?

I think Ferry has been superb for us. A real work horse that breaks up play and tracks back, gets all over the park. Though I agree he  is reluctant to shoot.

I guess opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one.

I like Ferry as a player, I think he keeps it simple which is what we need.

well it's my opinion.
loads of effort, and i think he's ok, but not the player some of you think he is.

I agree with Arriba, good player for this level, but hasn't got the attacking threat from midfield that we need. What he does, he does very well, and his effort can't be faulted. But there are still aspects missing from his game which will stop him from playing at higher level.

I dont think Ferry was at his best today but I think he has been a top quality signing over all.

How do you win a flip of a coin? That too is a 50/50 chance, it's not mathematically impossible you halfwit!

Personally I thought it was a typical performance from him, except he may have gone forward more than usual. I mean that in a good way.

I don't think he is amazing or anything, but considering there was talk of Pook's potential to learn (for years it seemed and he never did) then I think people may be being a bit harsh on Ferry, who is still only 22.

Set up Austin for the first goal as well, though obviously Austin had a lot to do still.

Ferry seems to be gradually getting worse, or he was playing out of his skin for us at first. Though I think we're just all ecstatic to have a decent midfield pairing which is infinitely times better than what we had last season.

Oh do fuck off

I think people are just getting more critical as our play off hopes are slowly crystalising

i wasn't moaning about ferry but i will about hutch.
does that cunt have something over wilson that means he has to play him?
why he's getting time on the park i dont know.utter shit!

Ferry getting worse?! What the fuck have you been sniffing jonny? Seriously, some of the stuff you come out with sometimes is nonsense. You're nearly as bad as arriba and Reg!

ferry is definitely overrated (from what i've read on here)

the glaring (and most obvious) is that he's too lightweight. He plays some decent, yet simple passes.

I prefer Migz.

His last few games haven't been as good as his first few. I'm not saying he's shit, more a case of his performances at first being unbelievably good and now he's just really good. I'd sign him permanently and pay a good few quid for him, especially as he is still young and hasn't played that many games.

I can't be arsed to argue with you because i'm too drunk, but Ferry is not overrated.
He's been one of our most consistent players. He may be small, but tackles hard and is a fucking good, intelligent player.

Ferry will probably go on to do better than any other player in our squad.  He doesn't have to be a goalscorer, his entire game is about keeping the midfield ticking over with good movement and simple passing, plus he has a pretty creative eye for a pass at time.  Reminds we a little bit of Moncur.

If giving Hutchinson a few minutes in games we've won means Celtic are keen to do business with us again, then so be it.

Ooh, you whore ;)

I wonder whether Hutchinson getting playing time is linked to:
- A clause in the loan agreement
- Trying to put him in the shop window for Celtic to try to sell him
- Showing willing to Celtic and keeping them sweet so that we can get Caddis and others possibly?
- Sending a message to the likes of Peacock, Timlin and Easton that their careers at STFC are over and therefore motivating them to look elsewhere to ply their trade

I guess none of us will ever know.

What type of statement is that ?????

Fuck me a few of you have definitely been on an all dayer

Ferry is in our top 2 centre mids in the last 5 years - the other being Douglas. They're both ace.

Agree totally. Don't forget Hutchinson came on for the last 10 when we were 3 up so it didn't gve a fuck who came on. I did like the run at the keeper which started after the fans had a pop. Not only is Hutchinson a lazy cunt be I don't see a great deal of intelligence behind his play that overcomes his general " give me everything and I'll give you fuck all in return" attitiude.
He's going to end up on the streets.

It was Billingham Synthonia's electric atmosphere that helped him as a youngster.

All those reserves fixtures he's played in Glasgow must have one hell on an atmosphere too :)

Lack of motivation because of crowd noise? Please.

Leaving aside the fact that "Can't motivate myself because of the atmosphere" is the lamest excuse any professional footballer could possibly make, that says it all about why he should go back. Maybe he's the new Ronaldo in front of a "better atmosphere", but he ain't ever going to do it for us. More likely he ends up turning out for Gillingham in their Ebbsfleet derby in Conference South - that'll be a corking atmosphere

He played in front of 20,000 at Fulham and looked distinctly average despite putting a reasonable amount of effort in. If he can't motivate himself in front of 7,000 people, than (a) What is he doing in the SPL? and (b) He's going to have to look for a new career.

He's a prick. He walked straight off at fulltime, didn't acknowledge the fans at all. wanker. I just hope any Ferry extension is linked to retaining (and playing) this arse.

He's really going to have a rude awakening when his Celtic deal runs out. Honestly, does he even look League 2 standard? I don't think so.

To be fair, i dont blame him. Our supporters Boo'd him when he came on! We shouldnt be doing that to our own players, 3-0 up or whatever the score is. I have only seen him play a few times and i can understand why he is not liked but he is still wearing a Swindon shirt. Boo'ing one of our own will not help the rest of the team.

Boo'ers are pricks, but they still pay his salary. And what about those who didn't boo?

He clearly doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, the arrogant cunt.

Yep, agree there BKK red but still...

When does he fuck off anyway?

He did what?! How dare he

i didn't hear him get booed.just collective groans as he entered the pitch.how long till he fucks off anyway?

After the Leeds game *I think* Arriba.

i hope he doesn't play again.wilson could have thrown macklin on yesterday instead of that lazy fucker.game was won,so no pressure on the lad.was the perfect opportunity for him to get a run out.

Spot on.

I think you've got that right Si

Were they booing or saying boo-urns?

I agree with Si.

Last season, Ferry would probably have been dubbed "the Messiah"  ;)

I didnt boo...

I thought he was shite from day 1.....

Offers nothing.

A great clueless lanky target man would be more use than this twat.

Is Kevin Francis still doing a turn....far more effective.

i was saying boo-urns

saw ben hutchinson in gorse hill yesterday in his swindon training  kit he tripped over some old ladys walking stick fell flat on his ass haha

Did you shout "Penalty" cos I would have :D

shouldve kicked the useless lazy cunt in the head whilst he was still down....

 :D

didnt need to the old lady was doing a good enough job

I saw Simon Ferry numerous times when he played for Celtic Under-19s, then the Reserves.
Roy Keane tipped him for great things, and he and Scott Cuthbert helped Scotland get to the European Under-19 final, where they lost 2-1 to Spain.
After two to three years of injuries, it's great to see the two lads doing well with you lads.
Comparisons?
Cuthbert reminds me of Billy McNeill. He's no Beckenbauer on the deck, but will win just about everything in the air. And score the odd goal or two.
Ferry? It's got to be Billy Bremner. Not the biggest, but the heart of a lion. And a lot of skill, too. I'm just surprised he hasn't scored more goals for you yet. Maybe he's keeping them for Leeds.    ;D

Paul Caddis is small, too. More Ashley Cole that Melchiot.    ;)
But he's a clever defender and is fantastic going forward from right back. Yup, a bit like Danny McGrain.

Yeah, I know you have plenty of other players at Swindon. There's McGovern, too (another ex-Celt). And Greer, who I first saw playing at Clyde a few years ago.
I have to admit I don't know too much about your English players, but the results have been fantastic.
I've been checking the match reports and catching the highlights.
Your keeper, Douglas and the two strikers, Paynter and Austin, are obviously doing great.
Honestly, Swindon is the first English result I look for these days.
Hopefully Danny Bhoy and his lads will keep it going. Good luck.  :banana:

PS, Sorry about Hutchison.     :cry:

I like being Celtic's feeder team. Shame Mowbray won't last much longer.

Actually, aren't they our feeder team? :)

Thanks for that, and keep popping in

Why cant scottish people spell boy?

Yep,good post....did you ever see Chris Hay play for Celtic...was suprised to see hes still only 35...and working in Canada.

Note to Nashy...how was your Fiah tonight!

nah ................they're just thick

 ;)

actually there our parent team

'Woosh'

thanks and goodbye Hutch.....