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Off out for a meal on Friday night but need some suggestions from you non meat eaters on the best place in Swindon that does both veggie and non veggie menus

Mucho Gracias

Frederico

My advice Fred for what its worth is someware like the Dolce Vita...they do some cracking non meat pasta dishes with either a plain sauce mushroom etc.....or pasta with veg.
Either that or the Three Crowns at Brinkworth do a good selection of vegetarian dishes,abit of a way to go but guaranteed top nosh....in my opinion.

Good call


Cheers Leefer

Never been there myself, but a family member who goes often would recommend Los Gatos in Wood Street - apparently a great Tapas restaurant and a lot of veggie stuff on the menu for those afflicted with that particular curse - and the meat dishes are great too, apparently.

what leefer said really, either italian or indian are your best bets mate, but in this day and age you will strugle to find a restaurant without a decent veggie range, unless its run by gordon ramsey :-).

La Carbonara (bottom of kings hill) is very good, do a very nice spinaich and ricotta tortellini.

I've also heard good things about la carbonara like chubbs said. Need to try it one day.

Cheers guys

La Carbonara is fucking top notch. I'm a meatarian though, so know not of the delights of vegetarianism. :)

I'm a veggie. In general, eating out in Swindon is pretty shit. You can't go too far wrong with Indian or Italian, Mexican is normally good as well.

Some good allotments around though Jonny.

Most decent Chinese/Thai places will offer a reasonable veggie selection as well. Rendezvous is good as is Thai Orchid on Vic Hill. Actually, not sure if that's still going, but if it is, it was nice about 18 months ago

You have to be really careful with oriental restaurants when you're a veggie. Some will have fish dishes listed under the veggie options, which is a sign to not eat there as there don't understand the concept.

they will use oyster sauce and other such products in their veggie dishes, i have had this problem before.

I vote La Carbonara too.  top notch food & veggie choice is pretty good

Well, given the number of "I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish"-ers (no you're not, by the way) knocking about, that's hardly surprising is it? I know what you mean but you can always just ask whether the other dishes listed as veggie have fish/oyster sauce etc.

the safest bet is an indian for veggie food.plus it's the best food on the planet anyway.

also people who say i'm veggie but eat fish and chicken are not veggie at all.
it's still the flesh of an animal they eat.

those people do my head in!!!

There is no point asking them as them as they don't get it and so there could be god knows what in any of their dishes. Simple rule is that if they list any fish content on their veggie section it's not safe to eat there. Indian restaurants are a very safe bet as they do get it, pretty certain they've had veggies in India for a long time.

The other one to watch out for is parmesan cheese, which isn't veggie - a lot of places fail on that one.

Thai Orchid is indeed still going, and it's yummy!!  Big fan of that place.

Don't rate La Carbonara though unfortunately...

i dont see the point of just being veggie.veggie food still leads to animal suffering.
dairy products,eggs, etc.
if it's because you dont like meat then fair enough i suppose?
i understand the vegan stance more easily than a veggie one

Don't get me started on those people. Though its the ones that still eat quarter pounders that do my head in.

The number of times people who don't get it that have quizzed me on being a veggie is unbelievable and its always the same conversation;

Me : I'm a veggie.
Them : What you don't eat any meat?
Me : No.
Them : What about fish?
Me : No. That's meat.
Them : What about chicken?
Me : No. That's still meat. White meat is still meat.
Them : What about quarter pounders.
Me : No. I don't eat any meat. That includes burgers. If it used to have eyes I don't eat it.

not really arriba, i am veggie and i eat dairy, eggs, milk, cheese. The stance i take on it, is i will only use free range eggs, eggs that are laid naturaly by the chicken and not forced (aka Caged/battery hens) same with milk, milk is a natural bye product of cows, if you didint milk a cow it would die, again, i only drink milk that it naturaly milked, you get some farms which force feed cows special diets to produce more milk, more than naturaly possible, thus putting the cows life at risk.
Admitidly, if i could be vegan, i would, but i stuggle eating a healthy diet as a veggie at the moment. :-)

It depends.

I don't like the taste or texture of meat and never have done and going veggie was the easiest way of making sure I never had to eat any ever again - I was in my early teens at the time (so over 20 years ago). I'm not particularly keen on eggs or milk either, but I'm fine if they're processed - so I just avoid scrambled eggs and the like. I can't eat any meat substitute products either, I hate them as much as the real thing.

I really don't get the people that do it due to the animals being killed / cruelty etc. Its all part of the natural food chain and a lot of the animals wouldn't have been born in the first place if they weren't going to be eaten. Though I won't touch battery hen eggs if I can help it - increasing the suffering to save money is sick and shouldn't be encouraged.

I don't understand vegans either (unless its for health reasons), they're just fucking weirdos.

I only wanted an idea of where to go

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But not everyone is Veggie due to animal issues are they? some people just dont like meat? I have quite a few friends like that - they dont like the taste or the texture

cows produce milk for their young like all mammals.no calves=no milk.
the calves get slaughtered to allow for humans milk consumption.
there is not cruelty free way of producing milk unfortunately.

sorry for turning this into a debate fred

Except the cows they use for milk have been bred for that purpose, so no real cruelty. Though I believe they slaughter all the male calves at birth don't they, or something like that?

Go to Cosmo's, they do veggie food which is a snip at £101.04

come on fred, this was allways going to turn into a debate, and here's my input,
firstly, i liked meat, i like the taste of it, i liked the smell of it, i didint argee with the inhumane treatment of animals, this is where me an johnny clash. I appreciate everyone has their own views and as soon as this debate turns into a free for all im outa here. but if you go way way back to the earliest years of human life form, you will actualy find that the very first homosapiens on earth were infact vegatarian.
I know eating animals is a way of life, and thats never going to change. which is why you will never see me preach my beliefs, but its my choice and i will stick to it. But if there anyone ever interested in vegetarianism im happy to give advice.

That is all.

haha, i literaly kicked myself mate, how was i to know. :-)

I don't agree with the inhumane treatment of animals either. But I can't worry too much about it, we should be sorting out the inhumane treatment of other humans around the world before we start doing anything about the animals. Just a matter of getting the priorities straight.

I did a similar thing with one of my payments the other month. Half way through the conversation with my bank I realised what it was for and felt a but stupid.

thats a bit of an irrelevant statment really, at no point have i argued that the treatment of animals needs to be put ahead of that of humans, althrough the thought is quite appealing :-)
To be honest the world is slowly going to pot really isnt it, stopping the inhumane treatment of humans is almost as realistic as stopping the inhumane treatment of animals, its allways gonna be there and its a harsh reallity but its too late to stop it.

the two are linked if you think about it.the massive consumption of animal products is having a major impact on thr planet.the first people to bear the brunt of it are the poor and needy.
the land used to produce meat vs the land needed to produce plant food.methane etc,etc.

I've got some vegetarian mates and i completely understand where they come from when they mention the death of animals, as a reason for not eating it. I hate cruelty to animals, i hate animal slaughter, i'm such a fucking woolly woofter i can't even watch programs like Trawlermen without feeling sorry for the fish.

I know some say stuff like, "Well if you can't stand it being killed, or couldn't kill it yourself you shouldn't eat it." They've got a point, because if i had to catch or kill anything i ate, i'd be veggie because i could never do it. But i have a choice and I don't have to kill it or to remember where the meat came from. And I fucking love meat.

I don't understand vegans purely because Moby is a cunt and ruined Play with some meatist diatribe.

Ditch her Mr T.

If she dont like meat, she aint going to be sucking on your cock come the end of the night... ;)

So, no Oriental restaurants of any stripe whatever understand the concept of vegetarianism? Wooohhh, would you like to be a bit more sweeping? I once gave up trying to explain to an Italian restaurant in Swindon that minestrone soup with chunks of bacon in it wasn't veggie, so does that mean the whole Medditerranean area can't do veggie food either?

Go to Rendezvous mate - really nice food and it'll piss jobby off

That isn't what I said, you've taken my comment out of the context was made in.

You said that if they had fish dishes in the veggie section of the menu that you should ask if any of the other veggie dishes contained fish. I said there was no point in asking them as if they got it wrong in the first place they couldn't be trusted, as they didn't understand what veggie means or just didn't care.

I can speak with some authority on the matter having been veggie for over 20 years now - I was of the original converts before it became hip and trendy and all those other fuckers jumped on the bandwagon.

I am going to have a 14oz fillet steak so take that you fuckers

i love how millitant the last comment was, great stuff. :-)

its like in music, when you hear "i was listening to such and such band years ago before they were cool" not a dig, im guilty of it myself.

And some animal porn for dessert.

With the greatest of respect, that's utter bollocks.

Oooh, get him on the high (soya) horse. I've managed to eat out as a veggie for a similar amount of time and have found common sense and simply asking when in doubt enormously useful in that time.

eating out has improved massively for veggies and vegans in recent years,but i know of many occasions when non veggie or vegan food has been served up with the resturant completely oblivious to their mistake.

i've seen it first hand as my parents and two of my siblings are vegan.my dad wont eat out as he doesn't trust resturants to get it right based on past fuck ups.

thats potatoes out as well then then ?!

agreed, and without beinf racist out of all the international cusines establishments i have eaten at its the chinees that seem to make this mistake the most often, numerous times i have asked for veggue spring roll to be served meat ones, and veggie singapore noodles to get meat one.

Bizarrely, never had a problem with Chinese/Thai but keep seeming to have problems with Italian. Must just be me, then :)

You should just eat meat, that'd solve all your problems :)

You mean proper sausages would pay off my credit cards? And make our stirkers score? Fantastic! Walls!

We're designed to be omnivores and eat anything within grasping distance.

Shut the fuck up and eat meat and veggies and don't be so fucking gay and poof like. Honestly, take vegetarianism to the extreme and decide not to inhale oxygen because it hurts the poor bloody molecules and do us all a favour.

Total wank.

why do you never say what you really feel?

Blimey !!!

 :(

Each to their own for me Talk Talk, live and let live and all that

 ;)

Designed? Didn't put you down as a creationist Alan.

Sorry, I've been listening to the whole of the HHGTTG radio series in my travels over the last week or so.

Definitely designed. The mice did it.

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haha, very original, never heard that one before. Do you think the human body is designed to eat meat? tell me this then, why do you have to cook your meat? a:) the human teeth are not designed to chew/bite raw meat and b) the human body is not designed to digest raw meat

hardly natural is it?

Bollocks.

Do you ever watch Bear Grylls?

look at the conditions and diseases linked to animal product consumption.the list is endless and grows longer by the day.
humans are not designed to eat meat at all.the teeth and intestines are proof of this.

http://www.gethealthyagain.com/enzymes.html (http://www.gethealthyagain.com/enzymes.html)

I haven't noticed my health deteriorate from nearly 50 years of sensible meat eating. What the fuck are you on about? My teeth and intestines are fine thank you.

Well apart from my intestines complaining from too many beers and a beef curry on a Saturday night...

I WISH TO APOLOGISE TO EVERYONE FOR STARTING ALL OF THIS

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Don't chicken out Fred. Or should that be "don't nut cutlet out Fred"?

Why does debate get you so upset, mate?

all I wanted was a few suggestions on where to take the lady (who is a veggie) on Friday, did not expect all this

alan, your looking at this totaly the wrong way, these are not oppinions of mine and arribas they are FACTS.
Fact, eating too much red meat has been linked to colon cancer, ok, so you dont have it, a lot of other people dont see the effects, but it clinicaly proven
our points abuot the human body not designed to eat meat are facts, ok, so a small portion of the human race have adapted to it, christ ive seen people put molten metal in their mouth, doesnt mean all out bodys are capable of it.

And a lot of vegetarians suffer from anaemia and bowel problems.

I personally don't really have an opinion on it, it's an individuals own choice and they can do what they want.

Yeah ok and global warming is real.

Come on, everything is fine in moderation. Eat two whole pigs a day and nothing else and you probably won't feel (or look) too good. Eat nothing but soya beans and likewise your body will pack up from lack of anything useful like vitamins.

People have had mixed diets for hundreds of thousands of years. So don't say eating meat is unnatural or wrong, that is not backed up by evidence.

A small proportion of the human race eat meat successfully? Come on, that's just plain wrong.

eskimos life expectancy is short in comparison to ours.i'd guess that would make their diet unhealthy?

i'm a hypocrite because i eat meat,but i know the dangers of it, and am not blinkered into thinking it is natural for us to eat animal products.

But it is natural for us to eat animal products, there's absolutley no way you can argue otherwise

If it was unnatural you wouldn't be able to digest it.

You talk gibberish about the dangers. We live on average to a ripe old age today compared to previous centuries. And we eat a shedload of meat. The evidence and reality contradicts you. Do you believe in god or the tooth fairy by any chance?

Spot on mate

I have had 2 tumors removed from my Colon and had to go through really horrible treatment. But I am still eating meat


I like it

come back when you have a new arguament, ive given my views and FACTS on the above twice allready, cant be arsed to repeat myself.
your taking to to heart to much alan

why is it natural?
it is how humans have evolved for sure, but we are learning more as time goes by that it isn't natural at all.
veagans and vegetarians are much less likely to get many diseases and conditions than meat eaters.
that is fact,not my opinion.
the list is endless,and includes many cancers,heart disease,strokes.the dreaded cholesterol comes from animal fat.

how can a food source that is so damaging to human health be natural?

Ok, my new argument is that you are a prick for not eating meat when it is delicious and nutritious and just tastes SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. Particularly bacon, particularly in a roll, the spawn of ancient gods.

How's that?

It is human nature to do things they enjoy - It is a natural expectation
Humans enjoy eating meat


Ipso-facto, it is entirely natural.

Ok, take a parallel.

True carnivores such as lions, tigers, cheetahs etc are 0.00001% different from us in DNA (relatively). They don't eat vegetables at all.

Are they unnatural?

Exactly Dave

i agree mate, nothing better than a bacon roll, i just choose not to eat it.


im out now, i feel that were ust going to repeat ourselves over and over now.

Talking about what's natural for humans now is a bit silly because we evolved to survive in rather different living situations - hence whilst we generally crave sugary fatty foods and not green nutritious vegetables - especially as children. It provided the best chance of survival a few million years ago.

we are living longer due to the advances in medicine.this is coupled with trips to the doctor in later life who tell us to cut out certain things to keep us alive.meat,dairy,etc are on that list.

So are alcohol and nicotine.

They just want to make our lives fucking miserable.

Listen to them? Nah, they can fuck off.

Saying that meat is "unnatural" is a weak argument. It's been part of the human diet for 2.5 million years or so. You could argue that vegetables are unnatural given that a lot of the vegetables we eat today were originally indigenous to other continents.

yeah of course they do.
you know deep down that it's bad.you just like it so you justify it to yourself for that reason.
i am the same.
the facts back up what i'm saying,not contradict it.

lions etc have shorter intestines and big teeth for the purpose of eating flesh.
humans have the opposite.
meat can take ages to fully digest in humans and this is linked to cancers in the colon,bowel etc for that reason.

why is it weak?
it's based on facts and we are learning more by the day to back that up more.
the earliest findings have proven early humans to have been plant eaters.we evolved into meat eaters.
if meat was natural to us it would do us good,not kill us in a number of ways.

'My Last Post'

I really do not care what others want to eat, drink, have sex with, take as drugs or whatever else.

What I do mind is being preached to about what is 'good for me'. I can make my own decisions, whether it is about meat, alcohol, drugs, salt, sugar, low energy light bulbs, refuse, vaccinations, CO2 emissions or any other scare tactics that the ruling elite want to use to raise more taxes or to try and control me.

So I apologise for getting stuck in to so many subjects because I react to 'perceived wisdom'. Well actually I don't. Someone has to put their hand up and say 'bollocks' or we really will end up looking like the nodding dogs on the parcel shelf of yesteryear's cars.

As is vice-versa arguing that meat is a natural part of our diet, or the top of the foodchain stuff etc etc. Sam's right, what this boils down to is some people choose to be veggies, usually for ethical reasons, other think the ethical arguments are a load of bollocks. You can argue the toss for hours about the rights and wrongs, but appeals to some supposed "natural" order of things are pretty irrelevant to the modern human condition. They're spurious arguments intended to introduce some "facts" that you can actually argue either way. After all, if we're going to go on a "back to nature" argument, where does that leave the mighty Pot Noodle?

But there are certain nutrients you can only get from meat. It is good and bad in equal measure and like Sam mentions, the same is true for some non-meat diets.

Humans have been omnivores for as long as they have been human. How can any animal be biologically pre-determined to be herbivore/omnivore/carnivore/someothervore when evolution is a proven fact? There is no pre-determination only evolution. We can and have been eating meat and consuming animal by-products for as long as historians can prove. If we were meant to be herbivores then a vegan diet shouldn't be so hard.

That's not to say eating meat is a necessity, of course we can survive without too. Ethically I guess it's good not to eat it. I certainly think it's narrow minded to say we should eat meat and equally self-righteous to say we should not.

And to Fred, sorry. My mum is a veggie and I seem to remember her saying she ate somewhere decent in the Cotswolds area that had a sizeable vegetarian menu bit. I'll try and remember to ask her tomorrow.

We've been eating meat for 2.5 million years and it hasn't wiped us out yet. I'd say that's not very unnatural.

Bollocks

So, to cut a long story short, where are you going on Friday Fred?

well imo thats a weak arguement.infact not an arguement at all.
the damage from meat eating takes years to develop into a fatal illness.so it wont wipe out the human race.could cut your life short though

i think as we have developed over millions of years into meat eaters,as we learn more i think over time we will go back to plant based diets eventually.(thatss if we aint blown the planet up by then)

si pie.there isn't any nutrient i know of you get from meat, that you cannot get from other sources.

Best off just taking her to the chippy after all this.

La Carbonara mate


I am going to have a fillet steak and Nicky is going to have a veggie penne

Ooh, a fillet steak?
Are you aware of the perils of red meat?






(sorry)

Have a great night ;)

 :D

Some B Vitamins
Dietary cholesterol
Calcium - Not abundent in plants

Probably more, I'm not really in the mood for hunting on the internet.

Get Parma Ham wrapped Scallops for a starter as well, it's fucking sexy. Seriously. Oh and the Barramundi and the Risotto Scoglio are super nice main courses, you could suggest, if she eats fish.

Who's up for going to La Carbonara on Friday? We could do a party booking!

I had this, it's fucking lush.

she doesn't








she is vegetarian






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calcium is in green veg and soya milk.
and i think the b vitamin would be b-12 which is also in soya and root veg.
i have no idea about dietry cholesterol?

Just to throw some more fuel on the fire, the argument we've been eating meat for 2.5m years is not all it might seem. Quite apart from being utterly unprovable, for the vast majority of the human population post the hunter gatherer phase, meat was the preserve of the wealthy elite. Right up until the late 19th/early 20th century in the west and well into the 20th century for much of the rest of the world, the staples for the peasant/working population (ie most of us) was not meat, but grain/vegetable based. With some fish in coastal areas and chinese restaurants.

It was only the advent of industrialisation and mass production of everything that made meat affordable as a regular part of the Western diet. So it's only actually been a staple for 100 years or so. Until 1798, the entire population of England had to share four turnips and some mud between them. Apart from the posh gits who feasted on swans roasted in bears stuffed into a peacock

Oh for fuck's sake Paul, you're worse than Pravda.

"or the vast majority of the human population post the hunter gatherer phase"

The 'hunter gatherer phase' lasted for hundreds of thousands of years as opposed to a couple of thousand years when kings and governments (along with all of their hangers on) decided that they could fuck up the lives of the people who didn't need them and make them so poor that they could no longer afford meat.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=W-CHDb3ntRAC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=human+hunter+gatherer+phase&source=bl&ots=JMjJl4Eib3&sig=rBvzoxBjSgVkZold06eCXNuY74Y&hl=en&ei=IILCSqt_yIfhBsjB7agF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=human%20hunter%20gatherer%20phase&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=W-CHDb3ntRAC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=human+hunter+gatherer+phase&source=bl&ots=JMjJl4Eib3&sig=rBvzoxBjSgVkZold06eCXNuY74Y&hl=en&ei=IILCSqt_yIfhBsjB7agF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=human%20hunter%20gatherer%20phase&f=false)

I've never eated turnip before.Whats it like?

I've been veggie for five years.Never had any problems with my health,eating out in resturants in the UK and meat eaters.Hope you have a good time Friday Fred  :)

Tell me about it. I want some now. I almost didn't have it as i ate it at L'aurora before it closed down and it was fucking disgusting. Which is probably why it closed down. Like the disgusting Chinese before it. It's probably why it's now become a strip club full of disgusting women. Urgh.

Did i catch a bite Fred? I don't think i did, but my subtle fishing techniques are improving of late. :)

Eh? Thought you'd had your last word. Come back for more bollocks I see.

And? We should go back to hunter gathering because it's more "natural"? No more nutty than the rest of your anarcho-capitalist stuff I suppose, although I thought that was more the Green Anarchist lot.

Organised societies based on largely agrarian food production have been around for more like 10,000 years +, FWIW, but none of that matters - as I said earlier, the whole attempt to base what is a largely ethical argument around the early origins of our cave dwelling (or early peasant) ancestors is just a spurious attempt to introduce historical "facts" which can be argued either way into a largely ethical argument.

I wonder if they had restaurants which served vegetarian foodstuffs millions of years ago.

Or ones which took group bookings so we could all poke fun at Fred whilst he's on his date.

If your missus is vegetarian is this the first time you've taken her out for a meal in Swindon?

http://www.demuths.co.uk/
when you get a bit more serious Fred and can stretch to the train fare - I enjoyed it and I eat raw meat

seems like i missed quite a bit last night, im not gonna put any more fuel on the fire this morning as i think every arguament has been put across and anything eles would just be repeating itself.

for some reason i dont know why, meat eaters are very defensive abuot their meat, giving it up is like giving away their first born child, they get offended, i was like it aswell before i was veggie.

At the end of the day, like has been said, each to their own, yadda yadda yadda

No mate, been out to Biplops for a curry but just fancied a change

When I was not very well I had to turn veggie for about 18 months and I quite enjoyed it. However, I also love my meat.

I eat meat but I also would like to think that I eat healthily, it's all about a balance for me

Eat healthly and then drink like a fish ... good balanced diet Fred!

Absolutely Dell

No more tumors of the Colon but my liver is fucked

There are good health and general sustainability reasons to limit your meat intake.

I limit myself to around 12lb of meat a day.

I think it's because it's hard to see the logic that we're not anatomically designed to eat meat (whether that's right or wrong), yet have eaten it from a young age.

We're not designed to drink alcohol either, but most people get away with that too. The human body is pretty incredible really.

I have always regarded drink as medicinal, helps in relaxing the body and ensures a good nights sleep. Those who do not drink enough are normally miserable sods.

Seems a bit silly arguing over whether eating meat is natural or not. We do eat meat, so therefore it could be considered natural simply by factual reality. Arguments for it's health benefits or lack there of can be shown to weigh the argument in either sides favour. Evidence exists in some form or another to back anyone's argument, simply because most surveys and studies are conducted with a pre determined bias.

Dicks aren't supposed to go in arses, but they do and many will say it's natural and many won't. Homosexuality could be argued in the same way. In fact there's a fucking massive list of shit that can be seen as natural by one party and unnatural by another. It's little more than confirmation bias; we see what confirms our opinion.

Whatever, each to their fucking own. The whole subject seems a pointless debate in my opinion. Some do some don't. So what.

Good post Bazza. Just close the thread now :)

What Sam said
Says in two sentences what I struggled to say in multiple paragraphs. Nice one

I found that combination of sentences particularly disturbing and alarming.

This made me laugh so much.

On another note referencing a quote from the "Royle Family" - can't she eat wafer thin ham? :D

So what time is everyone getting to La Carbonara for Fred's suprise date tonight?

Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh see not going

It was sold out

Going somewhere else now

 :nerner: :smugfu:

OR

your double bluffing! ;)

try me

 :)

Anyone else fancy a burger and pint?