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Hey,
I know last year there was a countdown to to 6k season tickets due to the offer but for next season does anybody know how many we have sold so far??
Regards,
Kieran

About 3000 I believe.

Welcome Franciskieran.

Are you one or two people?

maybe he is a schitzo? :D

Didn't we sell circa 1000 before the Rovers game, and then 3000 in the following 3 days?

I thought the 3000 included the 1000 before the Rovers game?

Actually I don't know anything I'm just trying to confuse things.

Hi Bob Orange
I am one person, middle name is Francis and first name is Kieran, i use 'franciskieran' in all forums!
I renewed my season ticket last week sitting in Arkells Stand behind above dugout, broke now till pay day but good value at £12 a match next season.
3000 is good so far, hopefully more to come!!!

I was going to side with the schizo theory until I read that last post. Thought it was 'Franc is Kieran'

i read it as frankenstein

did you know frankinsteins monster was called adam?

welcome to the forum.

I'm sure I read the book and he doesn't have a name.

Well when I went down there on Friday I was told that they were doing about 600 a day that week and reckoned we had done "about 3,500" by then.

I would warrant that with the deadline being extended to Tuesday then we will have done a few more since.

Clint Eastwood?

Have not renewed mine yet (seeking advice from Bushey!!), phone went at 6-45 pm last night and discovered it was Nick Watkins asking if I was going to renew!!  As it had gone to answerphone by the time I got to the phone I let it run and didn't answer, I will see if he rings back!

I thought they would have had something on the OS but I guess they probably only would if sales were going well as we've heard nothing about it, especially in the press.

Actually they had something about it on BBC RS this morning!

Nick W said he and colleagues are taking a couple of hours a day ringing those that did not renew.

But also, BBC RS said we are over 1000 down on this time last year. I am not sure how they did that comparison, I didn't hear the whole piece, but if it is purely date x v date Y then that is disappointing given the early bird discount has long passed and the renew by date is a week or so away.

Recession + Crap season = less STs sold I suppose. But those pay on the day prices are going to hurt the non-renewers that will now pick and chhose. Got to lower them if ST sales fall significantly .

Sold 3600 currently vs 4600/700 Season ticket holders at the end of the season I think was the comparison.

I got my NUS card through yesterday, so going to renew at the weekend. I can't really afford to do so but meh.

That's not all that bad is it? You would expect that to rise to around 4000 by the start of the season. Which mean only being 600\700 down from the end of the season.

That's quite a healthy figure given the financial climate and crap season, I definitely misheard what they said on the radio.

Last season they were still selling them off a the cheaper price into August weren't they?

I think we're going to have to accept we'll be quite a bit down on last season, unless they extend the offer again. Don't forget there was the double incentive of a cheap price and a cheaper price if we hit 6k, whereas this time it's all incremental based on the deadlines, which are much earlier.

Now the question: Does the club extend the deadline or stick to their initil dates? If they keep extending these deadlines they become a bit meaningless.

If they keep on extending the deadline, they could well upset those who did stump up early, which will make it even harder to attract early sales next year

I thought we sold 5300 tickets last year, or am I misreading RT's post ?

Yes. He quoted the number of season tickets still valid at the end of last season. I'm guessing that means around 600 people didn't pay the second installment last year.

im getting my season ticket on tuesday, as i get paid tomorow and in swindon on tues so will buy it then!  :D

I havent renewed ... pick and choose instead I think

Seeing which ones clash with Supermarine?

coming up to 4k under the current circumstances is fantastic, the league we are in, the current financial climate, the general apathetic fans views, the poor performances by the dozen last season.

Overall pretty good methinks.

I'm really excited about next season, just think there will be more of a buzz, especially since half the squad have been axed!

Thats the 600 fairweather fans who we blame for not having two installments this year then.

I am excited about next season cos I think Wilson knows what hes doing. But there is one thing that worries me - where will the goals come from without Cox?  :(

...and Arsenal and Ebsfleet.

the season ticket sales are irrelivant really,they were always going to be down on last season.a decent side will see people turn out though.not a problem, unless our side is utter shite like last year.

Yep. Anybody who expected 5,000+ was kidding themselves really. The tickets are more expensive and there's no massive media campaign. Also, we've just come off the back of a crap season and people aren't really sure where we go from here. If we are at 3,500 that's not bad at all, and a few decent signings could easily see that up to 4,000 by the time the opening day rolls around

Watkins on season ticket sales (audio from BBC Tinpot). He's even going to start phoning up anyone who hasn't renewed. That and trying to get in corporate types too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/8061413.stm

I think we'll get 4k+ by the end of this month. I can't imagine too many ST sales after that, if you're hanging around for signings you may as well go pay on the day in case we're shit again.

If you look at my post on the first page of this thread you will see he has already started!

I've always thought increasing the price throughout the summer is a stupid idea. All you need is one price for renewals and one price for everyone else. The fact that it will cost £100 more from the 1st is going to stop people from buying, not because they're £400 but because the price went up. If we sign some decent players or keep Cox there will be a lot of potential season ticket holders who won't buy because of the higher price.

I can't see anyone getting too upset if they extend the deadline, its not like anyone will be losing out. I think most people will just be happy that we've sold more season tickets.

I think it will have a knock on effect if they keep extending - people will just continue to leave it until we make signings because they know if ST sales aren't as high as they could be, the offer dte will keep getting extended.

As you say though, I wouldn't be fussed if I paid out earlier than someone else, I just wanted the ticket no matter when I got it.

I agree with the point of view it doesn't make that much difference to season ticket sales who we sign. Buying a season ticket is such a big decision in terms of paying hundreds of pounds and allocating time every other weekend for months that people aren't gonna be swayed either way unless a really big name was announced or cox signed a new contract.

another definition of a Bandwagon fan.

3,568 at close of business on 20th May.  Getting on for 2,000 down, worrying times for the board I would guess.

They're about 900 down from the number of season ticket holders at the end of last season currently and theres quite a few weeks til the start of the season so you would expect them to pick up a few hundred more.

surely comparisons should be made about the numbers of season ticket holders at a start of a season? not one at the start, the other at the end.

Maybe but this season we know none of them will drop out cos it isn't split into 2 payments. Surely someone who paid the first installment and only had a season ticket for the first 10 games (not really a proper season ticket holder then were they?) shouldn't count as much as someone who is a season ticket holder all season.

2,000? Where did you get that from? We only sold 5,200 last summer.

Yeah, lets do that so then everyone can bitch and moan because we havent sold the same amount as last year.

The people who didnt pay their second installment last season can quite frankly fuck off. They clearly arent proper supports and the way some go on you'd think we'd just had our worst season of all fucking time.

Ok, its probably bad from a financial point of view but i'd rather have less season tickets sold than have some johnny armchair come along because they are cheap, bitch and moan all game and then not bother when we dont win every game 3 fucking 0 playing like Brazil.

Getting on for!!  5200-3568 = 1632.  Not exactly 2000, but getting close.  1632 x average of £300 is close to half a mill down!  Still the Cox sale will put that right!

'getting close' doesn't make a lot of sense though. We can only get further away from 2000 less. Unless people return them on mass or something.

Don't matter if we compare with the beginning or end of the season we have sold 3,600 end off. The question is will we sell more ? I believe we will have a good season next year & I really think DW has what it takes to get us going in the right direction. Couple that with the board we now have & I reckon some will regret not buying an ST.
Bear in mind that two of our most successful managers in the past have had similar starts to their STFC careers as DW (Hoddle & Macari just about kept us up/ had an average start before leading us to glory)

And if we do have a good season the crowds will come regardless of many ST holders we have. That's the way football works.

True, If we're near the top in Dec a lot may buy half season tickets.

Actually this is another reason why comparing with the end of last season is more valid (If we need to compare with anything. )

you seem angry dv.count to ten or something.
people will bitch and moan regardless of anything anyway.
and it has always been obvious we wont shift as many season tickets this summer.hopefully it will make the club more money, as good form will see people paying more for a ticket on the day of a match.

I'm fine - enjoying the lack of football to be honest.

I just think its unfair to moan that ticket sales are down on last year - because that was always going to be the case.

When you consider we used to sell just over 3k season tickets, and despite the recession, we have still sold 20% more than we used to.

who is moaning?

I agree with you mainly Dv but off the top off my head i know 5 people who did not buy 2nd part due to losing jobs

ah I suppose thats fair enough and a bit harsh to put everyone in the same bracket but I think we all know the type of people I mean.

Has anyone moved back to the town end or decided to migrate from it?

I'm staying in there, I've got a decent spot and I think the atmosphere will begin to improve if the performances do.

You do have a great seat in the TE Si, remind me next time I see you I still owe you at least a Guiness or 2 :)

I'm staying in the TE. I think at least a few of the people who moved to the south stand last season will come back cos they miss the singing.

the trouble is if Cox is sold and the money isnt spent on strengthening overall .. it might be an awful season.

Im sure DW will get it right tho .. fingers crossed

Duly noted and grateful :)

I've moved from The Arkells to the Don Rogers. Right behind Luci, so I'm going to annoy her all season by kicking the back of her chair :)

I'm still in the town end.

Saying on the O/S that 100 3 year season tickets have been purchased so far.

From the Rovers game ?

On a slightly unrelated note - when are the season tickets available for collection? I seem to remember June being mentioned when I renewed. Anybody know an exact date?

They normally put it on the OS.

Yes i'm stuck. Send help :(

Bastard!

Some silly American woman was doing that to Steve before.  It was funny watching him get annoyed.

I was seriously thinking about that. Thats a good boost to the cash flow !

For those who can afford it its an even better deal now, beacause the price is the same

I am one of the 80 that has a 3 year season ticket.

Proper loyal.

Albeit slightly innumerate.

I got the figure of 80 from the official website.

73 adult, and 7 concession.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/TicketNews/0,,10341~1674203,00.html

What price are the concession 3 years then?

And do I have to be a concession for the whole three years? *Cunning plan*

Whereas I didn't bother to check the OS and relied instead on the accuracy of the post above. Not only are you more loyal, you're clearly more intelligent, more careful and more right. Whereas I'm a credulous doofus. Damn

Sods have changed it, it definately said 100 this morning.

Yeah, sure. Last time I rely on your stats, made me look a right arse (like I need your help)

If it had been 11pm when i saw it, i might have thought i was mistaken, but i was sober honest guv.

Save it for the judge

I reckon so.

Don't think my son has bothered renewing (Even though I gave him a ton towards it and he said he was going to).

I think a combination of alcohol and women have become more appealing to him than spending his (and my, come to that!) money on watching Swindon Town.

The youth of today. I just don't fucking understand the twats.......

it will be drugs hertha. we have all stopped for a while during a drug break.

Renewing mine today, had an e-mail from Nick Watkins yesterday following up his phone call!!  Was always going to renew, but fair play for persistence Nick!

So what you're saying is my son has taken my 100 quid and shoved it up his nose? The ungrateful bastard! He never even offered me any!

it wont be charlie, more than likely pills, probably bought a batch of 30 kept some and sold the rest.

You've got to admire his business acumen.......

Fair play to them for phoning fan's to get them to renew, might encourange a few more to renew

Or take out ASBOs to stop the club stalking them :)

Surpirsed then they havent been through the data base and phoned regular buyers like myself who dont have season tickets, to try and persuade (yet)

I was going to say I hadn't had a call but then realised I already renewed  :oops:

I know makes me want to cancel so someone can ring me!!!

Then again if someone rang up saying this is Andrew Fitton Id be like - bore off no its not and probably put the phone down or something!

I didn't get a call and I only renewed last weekend. I'm happier about this because I don't like cold calls.

Renewed this afternoon!

Does anyone understand any of this?  :idiot:

Me and dad renewed on thursday.

We cut a deal with Nick Watkins on a 5 year one.

Seriously?

Yep.

We were gonna get a 3 year one but enquired on a 5 year one.

£1,350 for 5 seasons.

I didn't know you could just barter with them and cut a deal  :eek:.

Don't ask, you don't get.

Well done Ralphus, commitment - that's what we want, commitment!!

Which stand Ralphy?

The burger stand on the corner of the Arkells and the TE

Isnt that the truth... There are loads of players you lot chat about that i have never heard of. When did Hoddle leave by the way?

Don Rogers.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/4430872.Fans_are_keeping_the_faith/


Fair play Ralphy and Dad

4,000 sold is already as good as i thought we would get, hope they reach the 4,600 target now.

I think with the new signings they will

Personally I don't think we will hit 4,600 given the fact season tickets are now full price. If we did hit that I think the board would be well happy with it and so would I.

IF cox were to stay I think we would hit 4,600.

See, I really don't think they're going to sign anyone that will persuade people who haven't already paid up to get one.

I suppose if there was a definitve statement that Cox was staying that might have an effect, but I doubt it.

4000 is a really good effort though.

**Reg Alert** That's quite expensive for two relegations and three years of Conference football **Reg Alert**

I'm with neville - the vast majority of people who are going to buy a ST will already have done so, very few buty at full price. But 4000 is still bloody good - we used to average 2500-3000.

Fair enough, I think my optimism might have taken over there as I had indeed forgetten the prices are higher now.

I still think we could get a few hundred more though, perhaps not the full 4600

Me and dad renewed on thursday.

We cut a deal with Nick Watkins on a 5 year one.


Then again that is cheap for Premiership football in two years time!

If anyone can afford it this is now the most cost effective way now, over 3 or more years at £250 per season.

Or really expensive for 1 season of 1st Division football if the club go bust in the next 12 months.

Anyone know what happens to all the money from season ticket sales? Does it just go in to the black hole that is the club's current account, or does it get ring fenced and then paid to the club in instalments over the course of the season?

I would imagine it all goes to the club to help the cashflow. Don't forget we now have new owners & are probably mosre finacially stable than a lot of clubs. eg Liverpool, Southampton, Newcastle

It used to be that if you paid by credit card, the credit card companies would hand over the money one month at a time. However, that was a special arrangement imposed by the cc companies at the time as we were in such an appalling state financially and they didn't want to be left holding the baby if we went belly up half way through the season. It may well have been lifted now.

But as Phil says, we're not the Swindon Town of two years ago or the Southampton of today. We're not going bust anymore

how much family at war?

If you calculate the lost interest on this money (admittedly not a lot at current rates) then on average it's probably going to be more like £275 a season, which I'm sure still works out cheaper.

I'm sure Ralphy mentioned something like £1350 the other day unless I imagined it

He did in this very thread

In that case its more like 300.

In today's money it works out at £270 a season, so basically this seasons ticket price frozen for the next five years. Quite a good deal really.

Yes, so long as we continue to improve. No, if we're in the bottom half of league 2 or worse.

Exactly. Even if we stayed in the same division season tickets prices will still go up quite a lot in 5 years. Even if we went down to League 2 in a few years I don't think the price would be less than £270... well not much less anyway.

I look at it as an investment !

I hadn't thought about the credit cards, wouldn't surprise me if it was still in place. Its all about risk for the credit card companies and I'd have thought that a League 1 football club was high risk - when I ran an online shop I had to provide a personal guarantee for chargebacks. Quite possibly something similar in place with the financing company they are using.

Either way, some form of ring fencing would make sense - the club shouldn't be spending the money until they've earned it - or its just asking for trouble.

If it's cash it'll just go straight to the club bank account.

Monitoring, spending and receiving money will be done through cash flow statements/forecasts and I know the club now has a proper accounts team so they'll know their position.

Given current levels of inflation that's far from guaranteed! Although I do think it will turn out they got a good deal

Football is different when it comes to inflation etc as players wages seem to just keep rising irrespective of what the rest of the economy is doing.

Sooner or later there will be an asset price crash in the high end football market, just as there has been in other spheres of the economy.  In a few years from now, when Ronaldo is still the best footballer in the world and worth £25m, this could look like a pretty smart move by Man United.

Totally agree, it can not be sustainable even at the highest levels of the game. There is talk in the spanish papers this morning that Ronaldo could be on £500,000 a week by the end of his contract as it rises by x% every year of a rumoured 5 year deal.

Ridiculous money. I know Chelski got criticised for their spending, but what Real have done over the last few days is ridiculous, and they are over £500m in debt !!!

With Setanta looking like they are going down the pan, that'll leave less competition for Sky. So the amount that the premiersh1t get from TV will probably fall now.
Also a lot of club owners have fewer billions now too.

Nick Watkins said in today's adver that only two people have signed up for the 5year option. That says alot

There wasn't a 5-year option - two sets of people have explicitly gone and asked how much a 5-year deal would cost. So, no, it doesn't say very much at all.  Much like you so far

Kerblammo! Burgundy's on the ropes.

Ouch! Point taken it was the 3 year option I was thinking about. How many of them have been sold? anyone know?

Around a 100 or so I think.

Er, sorry I was a bit harsh there. Between 80-100, depending on which website update you believe, as of couple of weeks ago

bully

 :D

I am going to invite Paul to run the door for an upcoming party I have got!

Anyone turns up that he doesn't like the look off he will smash them in the face!

Ave it!

Funny, you seemed quite calm at Walsall!  ;D

I don't know how anyone can buy a 3 year season ticket, let alone a 5 year one. I feel near suicidal having committed myself to another 12 months of watching them playing shit and hopeless football at the County Ground, the thought alone of having to endure it for 3 years makes me feel like topping myself.

Why bother buying a season ticket then?  ::)

I really don't understand some people.

But thats what we "Signed up" for when we started supporting the Town. If we wanted a team that always did well we'd be talking about ManUre or Chelski & the price of our sky subscription & it'd be pretty boring (IMHO).
To me thats the difference between true football supporters & glory hunters

For years I refused to get a season ticket, or go to many games, due to the ridiculous pricing. All that time I said if they ever got realistic with the prices I'd be first in line to get a season ticket. So they kind of called my bluff by reducing the season ticket to under £12 a game, forcing my hand. Bastards.

Bizarrely, I also get a kick out of watching them play shit as it gives me something to moan about. Besides, can anyone honestly say they go to games due to the high quality of football that we get or to see them win?

Yes I go to games to see us win. Thats normal. Doesn't always happen.

Fuck off ;)

I know, and it was my first (under this name) comment, talk about pick on the new guy! haha

Who were you before, Ron?

Paul D and Fred would make a fearsome combination.  One's got the looks, the other would just say "Stab em"!

I've never heard Fred say that :)

I'm now picturing some sort of mob scenario. Paul "The Chairman" D; a cold hearted calculating bastard who never lets guilt get in the way of his interests, and his right hand man Fred "The Butcher" Eliot; a man who's not afraid to get his hands dirty and get the messy jobs done.

The trust of a few years ago never got anywhere near it's full potential of awesomeness.

The TrustFather

you scare me

You show me no respect

I'm going to hazard a guess at sgt wilson,If ron isn't him,does anyone know where he's hiding?

If I had the money, I would buy the 3 or 5 year season ticket. It's something less to fork out  and budget every year.

because i'm scared of you.
i idolise you really

Wespect da Fwamily!

We bought a 5 year one because in the long run it will safe us money.

Safe 8)

Damm!

Save us money!

You spastic Ralph.

Damn.

WOOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ST came this morning !

Cant fucking wait now

Well, you're going to have to

Got mine too. It's green. I like it.

Yeah got mine as well. Go us!

Are they available to collect yet?  Im assuming yes?

I'd have thought so.

Not got mine yet, maybe it takes afew more days to reach the outer reaches of deepest darkest rural wiltshire

No sign of our 3 yet, but I wasn't expecting them until early July anyway.

From next monday

Collected mine today, he did say they were asking fans to wait until Monday so that they could deal with all the ones to be sent out by post first.  There is still a big pile of them waiting for posting so don't panic if you haven't got yours yet!

Oh I forgot I didnt actually "have" the season ticket yet - is it pretty?

Beautiful

It actually is beautiful as well. Looks pro as fuck.

whats it like? is it sparkly?

I got mine today. Shiny.

Does it say "RENEW THE PASSION" on it?

yes.

Mine came today - late post. Mine are blue though. Are they doing diffeent colours for different stands?

Special offer day for season tickets next Wednesday apparently, 8 am to 8 pm - tickets at the original early bird price!

Fucking ace! I was in Canada on holiday so had to save money for that and was preparing to fork out £349.00 for my town end season ticket now can get it for £269.00 WOOHOO!!! Get in there, well chuffed!

I thought it was the second tier of pricing? So Gazza's would be £299?

Ooh some other good news expected to get the fans back? Hopefully some new signings are on the way.

Even if it is... still cheaper by £50.00! so well chuffed with that! :)

That was my first thought also.

According to the Adver it is Monday 29th June 8 til 8 where you can buy a Season Ticket for the early bird price.

I want mine I feel left out!

did you have to tick anything to say you want it sent in the post?

Yes you did JFW, & it cost £1.

Yea, all you fuckers who ticked the box for postal delivery are a bunch of cunts and made my collection heavier. Bastards! :P

You should strike  8)

Don't tell him that, the lazy fucker will now.

But not as chuffed as you were originally? You've gone from being £80 better off to £50 better off in the space of a few posts. At what point would you cease being well chuffed and be merely chuffed? Would there be a point where you started to be a bit miffed and what would need to happen for you to be well  miffed?

I'l tell the lads to fire up the old oil barrels upon my return to the depot!

See Pullen, I told you so. Look what you've started.

You give these posties any excuse and they'll run with it!

Run? When have you ever seen a postman run? Saunter (not ben) is what i'd liken it to! Its a lot more difficult to feel the post for money when you're running. You learn that in Postman 101.

Oops. I apologise.

OH!! well I doubt I ticked that then! oh how ming

You didn't tick it for the sake of £1? Surely it'll cost you more than that to drive into Swindon to collect it!

I cant remember it was ages ago? and I think I only had the exact money??? who knows?? maybe I thought £1 was too steep? maybe I was in a stiggy mood?

Number of season tickets sold is a bit of a meaningless stat. How many have we sold in a row?

I don't see what you're saying ben. Was it a joke?

Yeah. I was just talking nonsense.

Word to your mother

I didn't tick it either - I prefer to go in looking for gossip :D

I thought I heard Wednesday on RS, but was half asleep at the time!  Advise everybody to check with the box office so they get the right day, that includes Gazza!

Says Monday on the OS.

Cheers! Makes sense the 29th as its just after pay day so may entice a few more people to re-new, plus the fixtures coming out gets people excited etc.

Oh yeah pay day. Tuesday the 30th would make more sense as people also get paid that day.

I get paid on the 15th. what's your point ?

I don't get paid enough.

I dont get paid at all

are you getting redundancy?

you should sign on.

Regarding the 'Midsummer Madness' next Monday, why have the club got 29th JULY on their logo, when we're in JUNE :

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/page/TicketNews/0,,10341~1694623,00.html

Guaranteed to not sell anymore season tickets until next Monday then.

I wouldn't have thought so....

Do you think it is possible that Theo Robinson might be officially unveiled on this day also?

Bundles.

I reckon they'll be working feverishly to tie at least one, maybe more up for then.

Finally getting mine today as well as paying for the new home kit :)