Title: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:34:44 quick question, hopefully not too complicated...
never signed a contract or suchlike here, so no idea how much notice i'd need to give. four weeks seems polite but i don't want to be polite. could i effectively walk if i got another job offer? also how do i go about taking time out for interviews etc when i have no holiday left? Title: Re: employment question Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:41:30 I believe if you have no contract you can technically walk out whenever
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Gazza's Fat Mate on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:42:19 If you have no contact then it is assumed after a number of years that a staturaorty contract is in place and as such I think you have to give a few weeks notice.
Unless they have made you redunant then contry to myth your employers have no obliegation to give you time off. Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:45:31 i've been here about 9 months.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: tans on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:47:27 I think you will be under contract as youve been there for a certain time.
My old job i was there for 3 years and never signed a contract, however i think it was cos i was there longer than 7 weeks or something. Had to give a weeks notice, but told them to get fucked and left within 20 mins of getting another job Title: Re: employment question Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:48:34 Have I pushed you over the edge Jim?
Title: Re: employment question Post by: dell boy on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:50:36 The general notice period for up to 12 months employment is one week, unless of course you have a contract which you dont.
Two weeks notice would probably be polite though. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Batch on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:52:05 Unless they have made you redunant then contry to myth your employers have no obliegation to give you time off. That's not true, provided you have been there 2 years. Which Sonic hasn't. Presumably you haven't been made redundant though since you ask about notice period I guess you would have to pull a sickie to go to interview, and run the risk of getting caught! ------------------ http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/employment/employment-legislation/employment-guidance/page15686.html#Time_off_for_job_hunting Quote Time off for job hunting or to arrange training when facing redundancy An employee who is given notice of dismissal because of redundancy is entitled to reasonable time off with pay during working hours to look for another job or make arrangements for training for future employment. The time off must be allowed during the period of notice. Employees are entitled to time off in this way only if they have had two years' continuous employment with their employer on the date their notice expires or the date when the statutory minimum period of notice due under the legislation expires, whichever is the later. For an explanation of the meaning of "continuous employment", or in case of difficulty in deciding on the length of continuous employment, see Continuous employment and a week's pay: rules for calculation. If the business or part of the business has been transferred from one employer to another, see A guide to the 2006 TUPE Regulations. Title: Re: employment question Post by: dell boy on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:52:15 Likewise if you have no contract (which is technically illegal not to have one for someone who has been employed by a company for nine months) they only have to give you one weeks notice.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Luci on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:53:33 Why are wanting to leave James?!
Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:54:49 Have I pushed you over the edge Jim? haha, you're one of the easiest clients to deal with! i can bugger off into town for my lunch without you batting an eyelid. btw, i've not been made redundant but circumstances have made my mind up to look elsewhere and i don't think remaining here is viable for me anymore, i've just had enough Title: Re: employment question Post by: DV on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:00:30 If I were you I'd leave on good terms as your next employer will no doubt want a reference.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:26:02 Did they give you a job description when you started? You may not have had a written contract but they (by law) should've given you something in writing to confirm your pay, hours of work, holiday etc. The notice period will probably be in that.
Same happened to my missus in her old job, she didn't sign a contract but technically once you accept the job offer you automatically have a contract of employment. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/EmploymentContractsAndConditions/DG_10027905 Title: Re: employment question Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:26:45 As you are not being made redundant, the only way to get time off for interviews is to lie
Think back to your school days! Title: Re: employment question Post by: flammableBen on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:27:42 Sonic didn't go to school because he's a gypsy.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:28:10 Good ones would be:
- Doctors/dentist appointments, but take too many and they'll think you're terminally ill or something. - Funerals, but be carefull because you might soon run out of relatives to kill off. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Colin Todd on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:30:48 Good ones would be: - Doctors/dentist appointments, but take too many and they'll think you're terminally ill or something. - Funerals, but be carefull because you might soon run out of relatives to kill off. That happened to Stephen Ireland didnt it? Killed off both his grannies as an excuse not to go on international duty, only for both of they to surface in the media very much alive. twat. Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:38:00 thanks gents. apparently the contract is verbally agreed upon acceptance of the role and completion of the probationary period, so four weeks is required.
now, do i go out all guns blazing or politely? i should get a good reference either way and i'm entitled to an exit interview... p.s. stephen ireland used the granny excuse because his girlfriend/wife had suffered a miscarriage and didn't want people to know. Title: Re: employment question Post by: nevillew on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:40:00 Sonic,
The job market is close to an all time low at the moment, I'd advise not walking out unless you have a written offer which you have in turn accepted in writing - things can change so quickly just now and you could find yourself stranded. As was mentioned earlier it's really not the best idea to leave under a cloud. If I were you I'd be pushing to get a contract signed, which would give you some cover if the company wants to change things, and at worst it won't be longer than a month. If you do get to the stage where you find a job, and have a month' notice agreed, it's amazing how a few days holiday here and there, and a couple of 2-3 days sick leave make the time speed by - all paid for of course. Employers can afford to be very choosy in these times, and it's important to have a reasonably clean cv and solid references. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Power to people on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:46:01 You are best to leave on fairly decent terms, you never know when you may run into the manager etc in the future needing help and if you have sh1t on him then he may sh1t on you when you need his help.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Batch on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:51:19 The job market is close to an all time low at the moment, I'd advise not walking out unless you have a written offer which you have in turn accepted in writing Totally agree Title: Re: employment question Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 10, 2008, 13:58:18 thanks gents. apparently the contract is verbally agreed upon acceptance of the role and completion of the probationary period, so four weeks is required. now, do i go out all guns blazing or politely? i should get a good reference either way and i'm entitled to an exit interview... p.s. stephen ireland used the granny excuse because his girlfriend/wife had suffered a miscarriage and didn't want people to know. Did you get my PM? Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 14:07:51 cheers for the advice all
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 10, 2008, 14:30:39 Do you hae any holiday left? You could use it to reduce your notice period.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: oxford_fan on Monday, November 10, 2008, 14:55:28 i think neville's advice is good. perhaps don't leave until you've got something else lined up as everything is on the down at the moment and hardly anyone recruiting or expanding. unless its really really shit and you could bare to be on jobseekers for a couple of months whilst finding another job - its normally much easier to get a job when unemployed than trying to fit the search in around a monday-friday 9-5.
try and line up interviews on the same day around the same time and use the doctor/dentist excuse. doctor is a good one because they can't ask for any details on the problem and it could be something which you need to go in fairly reguarly for. careful though as requests for doctors notes are sometimes made. Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:09:20 no holiday left, had to use it all for US.
jobseekers would be preferable at the moment. the longer i stay here the more i want to die. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:13:37 I thought you only got job seekers if you lost your job - not cause it was your descion to leave?
Title: Re: employment question Post by: oxford_fan on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:14:54 nope.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: nevillew on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:28:17 Stick in there until after Christmas Sonic, you don't want to miss the paid holidays and general run down around the festive period.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: oxford_fan on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:38:09 trouble is the new year is the time everyone starts to look for a different job, so the market is flooded with candidates.
if you leave now you should catch the tail-end of christmas recruitment, which is when more jobs are available. its a toughie. Title: Re: employment question Post by: DV on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:38:46 Plus there really is fuck all about.
Well in the IT world most people are getting rid rather than taking on, trust me!! Title: Re: employment question Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 10, 2008, 15:44:07 Your most sensible bet would be to see what's about, apply for absolutely everything that may tickle your fancy, or at least tide you over for another few months and then see if you get any responses back in the next couple of weeks. If you don't, that'll gauge how difficult it's going to be.
Of course, if you're comfortable living on the doll then you could take that option. I know you live out in the country - would doll money even cover your fuel costs? Title: Re: employment question Post by: nevillew on Monday, November 10, 2008, 16:09:56 Your most sensible bet would be to see what's about, apply for absolutely everything that may tickle your fancy, or at least tide you over for another few months and then see if you get any responses back in the next couple of weeks. If you don't, that'll gauge how difficult it's going to be. Of course, if you're comfortable living on the doll then you could take that option. I know you live out in the country - would doll money even cover your fuel costs? Assuming you meant 'dole' that's sound advice. Don't know Sonic's track records with rich dolls Title: Re: employment question Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 10, 2008, 16:18:27 Yeah that's what I meant. I didn't have a chance to proof read my post.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Monday, November 10, 2008, 16:27:41 Are you ill?
Title: Re: employment question Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, November 10, 2008, 16:28:38 quick question, hopefully not too complicated... never signed a contract or suchlike here, so no idea how much notice i'd need to give. four weeks seems polite but i don't want to be polite. could i effectively walk if i got another job offer? also how do i go about taking time out for interviews etc when i have no holiday left? No matter what you have in your contract it is very hard for your company to force the issue. If they say they will go legal...tell them to go ahead! :bye: The Company will only win all ends up if you have a 'competition clause' in your contract...if not, go when you want! http://www.iresign.com/ Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 16:44:31 i've had three responses to my CV which i posted on monster a week ago, which is encouraging - some decent roles as well, step up from what i'm doing now.
i could live on the dole for a while, the main problem would be boredom - as DV probably knows - as i don't have much in the way of expenditure. my car is economical and cheap to run and i have no social life to spend money on. i'll sleep on it. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Arriba on Monday, November 10, 2008, 16:46:30 if it were me i'd apply for the jobs you are interested in.then if interviews are offered try to attend it in your own time.if you cannot i'd probably ask for the time of as unpaid leave.tell your current employer the bare minimum.but try to leave on the best terms you can if it does happen.having ambition is not a bad thing and a caring employer would understand
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:06:06 come and work with me!!! we can be like brothers and sisters
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:13:34 SY commiting to full time TEF posting again :wotjump:
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:18:41 Are you ill? I've got a cold and couldn't be arsed to go to work feeling like crap. Regrettably, I had a headache for most of Saturday, if I'd known it would have led to full blown man flu I wouldn't have gone to Histon, nor drank any beer. I blame my mum's boyfriend, who decided it would be a great idea to get a flu jab. 2 days later he had developed symptoms of man flu. I can only assume I have caught the virus from this source. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:44:22 Smoking doesn't help either. I always go to work with a cold unless it's THAT bad. Don't think i've ever had a day off sick.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:47:41 I've got a cold and couldn't be arsed to go to work feeling like crap. Regrettably, I had a headache for most of Saturday, if I'd known it would have led to full blown man flu I wouldn't have gone to Histon, nor drank any beer. I blame my mum's boyfriend, who decided it would be a great idea to get a flu jab. 2 days later he had developed symptoms of man flu. I can only assume I have caught the virus from this source. give him a right fucking shoeing Title: Re: employment question Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:49:31 I could have gone to work, I chose not to. I was supposed to be doing a job directly for the partner. As per usual, he wants it done in 5 hours, when it took 20 hours last year. I wasn't really up for it with the man flu on top.
It's a well known fact that smoking causes man flu. Title: Re: employment question Post by: pauld on Monday, November 10, 2008, 17:56:18 Sonic, you'd have to be a grade A idiot to walk out on a job at the moment without a cast iron guarantee you've got another one lined up (as per neville's advice, everything in writing). It's a hell of a lot harder to get work when you're out of work, even if ironically you actually have more time to look for work. If it takes you more than a few weeks to find work, it gets harder and harder at times like this because the longer you're out of work, the bigger a "hole" there is in your CV. "I walked out on my last job at the start of a severe recession because I didn't like it/the boss/the sandwich lady" is going to translate to an employer as "flakey/stupid/can't take a bit of pressure". Ain't going to help you sell yourself to a new employer
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, November 10, 2008, 18:04:39 It's a well known fact that smoking causes man flu. I know. Of course it doesn't cause heart disease or lung disease either. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, November 10, 2008, 18:08:39 I'd go to work if I had heart disease, unless it was THAT bad.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, November 10, 2008, 18:13:37 i've had three responses to my CV which i posted on monster a week ago, which is encouraging - some decent roles as well, step up from what i'm doing now. Get it on jobsite and jobserve as well Jim lad. Jobsite's one of the main recruitment sites for IT, a lot of agencies use their CV database to canvass potential candidates. Title: Re: employment question Post by: Sussex on Monday, November 10, 2008, 18:24:42 I'd go to work if I had heart disease I've been doing that for the last six months, then got made redundant last week. What a shit year! Title: Re: employment question Post by: Mexicano Rojo on Monday, November 10, 2008, 18:31:52 Totally agree with PaulD, as an employer if I interviewed someone and the reason"the job was killing me inside" was why they left previous employment, it wouldnt really cut it.
Title: Re: employment question Post by: sonic youth on Monday, November 10, 2008, 21:14:46 life's too fucking short to be miserable but fair point.
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