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                                             I would have to say the Beatles, In an era that produced the Stones, Hendrix et al the fab four were no better than their modern day counterparts WestLife. All they sang was happy clappy shit.Please discuss

A lot of the biggest musicians of recent times would disagree with you Foggy.

Noel Gallagher and Paul Weller amongst many, many others have cited Lennon and Mcartney as big influences.

That fucking Bob the Builder's got a lot of admirers though......

Phil fucking Collins the cunt.

You've got to be joking! That Sussudio (sp) is a classic!

The Beatles are not overrated, and they're later stuff is awesome.

I find it hard to slate the big bands from the 60's and 70's because I wasn't a part of it and cannot comprehend the shift from what people were listening to before.

Admittedly I find alot of modern bands totally overrated.

In conclusion: What the hell does Daniel O'Donnell do to these old ladies at his gigs? I always see this (to quote the film Office Space) "no talent ass clown" on jumpers, key rings and the smiles of the older generation!

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Not sure if Revolution 9 qualifies as happy clappy shit.

Overrated? - Elvis

I challenge you to listen to 'Old Shep' without getting a lump in your throat.

I don't believe the Beatles or Elvis were over-rated. Now The Verve, they're shite.

A while ago i would've said the Beatles, but having done some listening since that time i'd say their music is good, so therefore can't be overrated in my mind.

I think Nirvana and Oasis are massively overrated. And Cliff Richards (cunt).

Most U2 songs are terrible and Bono is a twat, yet they are still revered by many...

 :nod:

Clearly you are still pissed

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Gay cunt

Sunderland use Elevation to run out to.

The only time I've heard U2 and enjoyed it..........

Nope, that Ashcroft is a twat and needs a new dealer.

Its almost laughable to anyone with even the smallest grain of musical knowledge to say the Beatles were overated. Putting aside the huge catalouge of songs, they were musical pioneers in the recording process alongside the Beach Boys. Constantly pushing the boundaries in musical and cultural directions. To have one incredible songwriter in a band is brilliant, to have three is just down right fucking ludricous.

Now dont get me started on pink.

I'd say U2 but that song Sunday, Bloody Sunday "really encapsulates the frustration of a Sunday, doesn't it? You wake up in the morning, you've got to read all the Sunday papers, the kids are running round, you've got to mow the lawn, wash the car, and you think 'Sunday, bloody Sunday!'"

;)

I would



she is very dirty

That James Blunt is a reet boring cunt.

Agree with Lennon and Harrison.

Mcartney wrote Mull of Kintyre and the Frog Chorus, which imo invalidates anything else he's written........

Surely pink cant be over rated as everyone apart from teenage girls thinks shes a cunt?

Thats exactly what Bono was thinking about when he wrote it

I often wondered what that song was about. Cheers Rich...........

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Now you know :)

I'd like to nominate Michal Jackson.  yeah he's written a few good ones 30 years ago but he's also written some of the worst songs i've ever heard. and hes a fiddler.

never proved, Macaulay said so!

Dont be a twat, i will list 10 songs to start with and if you want me to go on I could list another 20

Yesterday
Lady Madonna
The long and winding road
Back in the USSR
Blackbird
Elanor rigby
good day sunshine
get back
Paperback writer
penny lane

all my troubles seem so far away..

the stone roses.

good singles band, rubbish albums.

I think you made the mistake of taking my post seriously Mex.

I remember being in a seminar at uni and a massive tangent led us to talking about The Beatles and everyone was slagging off McCartney ("he's no Lennon though"). I defended his work in vein.

Maybe but it does my head in how people write him off, the bloke is a songwriting genius

Apart from Mull of Kintyre and the Frog Chorus..............

I think the frog chorus is ace, its a fucking childrens song made for children, youre like one of those cunts that slagged off the new star wars.

the Killers are shitcunts. Though hopefully most people don't take them seriously enough for them to be considered as overrated.

Phil Collins is great.

I would like to stab that tax dodging tory cunt collins in the scrotum.

How's your day going Mex?

i have a gorgeous young spanish girl in my bedroom. no really.

I thought as much.

You seem more chilled out than usual.

grrrr

The 1st album is a work of genius.

Spanish girls rule!

I think you should at least clarify that with words like "voluntarily", "she's free to leave when she chooses" etc

I dunno if these are over rated but they are shit.

The Cure - fuck off Goth boy

Nirvana - fuck off Suicide boy

U2 - Bono and the Edge,the names say it all really.

it's good...but not consistently awesome. the rest of their stuff is average bar a couple of tracks

ryan adams is also overrated.

The Stone Roses 1st album is indeed genius. Listened to it on the way back from Eindhoven and it still sounds as good as I remember listening to it when I was at school.

It's all subjective though, isn't it?

Some people think the Spice Girls were amazing, who am I to say they're wrong?

The obviously are wrong though.

herhab in "opinions are subjective" revelation ;)

Agreed. Paul Hewson and David Evans may not be the coolest names but at least they're not at the height of stupidity.

It just came to me!

I might be alone in this, but i really like Second Coming... i could listen to it over and over.

you are not alone. under -rated albulm

I love it as well.

first roses album is lush, the cure are underated, yes paul shes here voluntarily but is now watching jerry fucking springer which is a kindly reminder of why i dont want a girlfriend, she will soon be leaving involuntarily

Coldplay. If I ever meet that Chris Martin I'll stab the fucking cunt with a blunt object.

faith and pornography are immense

Pink Floyd

Good shout. Wanky pretentious tripe.

I just don't get Pink Floyd...

For me its David Bowie-apart from one song,what a lot of fucking twaddle he wrote

Hmmm - I like more than one Bowie song.

Wish You Were Here is a work of unfaltering genius. No guitar has ever sounded as good as Dave Gilmour's on that record.

I would have to say U2 are the most overrated band.  They haven't really done anything decent since bloody sunday. People always say Nirvana are overrated but every time I listen to nevermind or In Utero I have to disagree, they are incredible albums and deserve to be acclaimed. Shite like take that is also overrated by people who have no taste but surely everyone else realises they're talentless cunts. Queen are overrated, they're songs are very mixed some good ones and some definitely not but they don't deserve to be 1st in so many best album lists.

I thought 'Do What You Like' was ground breaking.

Comfortably numb?
Money?
Brick in the wall?
Mother?

To mention but a few.

I agree.

Nirvana are the Pixies in disguise, although I agree Nevermind and In Utero are particularly good albums

Greenday

Oasis for me. Everything since Morning Glory has been fairly shite (some of it's OK but it's nowhere near as good as the first 2) yet people actually love them that much. Some people are obessed. I just don't get it tbh. So for me they are probably the most over-rated. Some new bands like Kasabian and The Killers and Arctic Monkeys are over-rated as well. Some are good but some are terrible. In any event most of them are over hyped.

Led Zepp are overrated in my opinion. Elvis was absolute crap. Queen deserve an honourable mention. U2 deserve a medal for having their heads up their own rectums. Radiohead are the Monty Python of music - they're either ace or crap, no in between. Madonna is complete cobblers. I really hate the Rolling Stones - they've produced nothing of note for over 30 years.

Why do you think Led Zeppelin are overrated? You're not allowed to hate Elvis because we sing his song at games.

i'm torn over nirvana...

they were really just an amalgamation/rip-off of their influences, pixies being the most obvious, but they bought a genre to the mainstream and kurt was still a good songwriter.

pink floyd are marmite. i love them but they're very much a band you need to be in the right mindset for.

Yes we can, he didn't write it, he just sung it  ;)

I've just not liked their stuff. I quite like heavy metal but not them. I don't like Robert Plant as a vocalist and I can't quite believe how big they became. I can't pin it down specifically - just don't like their music.  
As for Elvis - load of crap. We may sing one of his songs but I doubt he actually wrote it.  

Radiohead......lets all slit our wrists.

I heard they are big in Bridgend

stuff like Take That is actually rated though - everyone knows it's shit but it has a lot of teenage (or 20 something now) female fans. and fatbury.

 A lot of bands can maybe produce 3 or 4 top quality tunes, which guarantees you mid table obscurity for life if you want it.....a few like Squueze produced maybe 2, which confines you to being the Rochdale of the music world.

 If you can produce, say 8 to 10, then this puts you up there with the likes of Abba....Champions League regulars.

 I once heard a radio interview with John Lennon, in which he said he thought he and Macca had only written one decent song....Day in the Life.

Those Kings of Leon, I don't mind their latest ditty on the wireless and even have a sing song in the car but they’re the music equivalent of cottage cheese.  Rather bland and consumed by the obese wanting to lose weight.

Oasis have never re-captured those first two glorious albums and the more stuff they release the further away they seem to get from ever doing it again.

I’m also torn about Nirvana.  Hugely charismatic band that brought a genre to the mainstream but they were far from ever being original or way ahead of the game.  I still listen to the odd album and I have to agree with Jack Osbourne they’re a great band and old pulped face was a cracking writer but their fan boys calling them the greatest thing since the A Team both back then and now make my eyeballs itchy.

Lou Reid, at times he’s pure genius but at others it’s pure shite.

The above all said I’ve always struggled to purely just listen to music and appreciate it at that aesthetic level.  What tinkles my bell is when a track encapsulates a moment in time, an even or a person and no matter how shite it sticks with me and I usually end up enjoying a lot of their other work.

I think Kings of Leon have be thrown into the deep end by the UK a little bit. They are a great band, but they've suddenly become massive without massively improving and are still unable to crack the United States (not that it matters but their sound really should have by now). Their first 2 albums, in my opinion, are infinately better than the next two. Their current effort is quite forgettable, I like it but it isn't as music changing as many would like you to think.

manic street preachers.pink floyd.oasis(although i do like them)
but to be fair if bands-artists shift records and have huge fan bases then its only a matter of personal choice if you see them as overated.

the manics are class.

 Reid I'd put in the 6-8 category of top tunes...maybe 5 top tunes with the Velvets and 3 on his own. Champions League aspirant, but only one win with Perfect Day.

 Nothing much for 30 odd years.

damn right

listened to the holy bible last night driving home from oxford, brilliant album

On the topic of Nirvana, they're probably my favourite band and definitely shaped my music tastes in my early teens. I still listen to their music quite regularly (I'm listening to them now infact) but I'm not a huge fanboy and won't go telling people they're the best band ever etc. I just see them as a personal preference.

This thread's quite subjective really, someone's overrated band can be somebody elses favourite. It's all down to individuals tastes.

Wrong. You didn't listen close enough.

Prime example: 'In Rainbows', an album of love songs.

I'd agree with radiohead. I just dont get it

I once shared a room with a friend who'd always have some lass break his heart and he'd listen to Radiohead all fucking night long. Ruined my danger wank focus :D

I only posted Nirvana and Oasis for fishings sake, i actually really like Nirvana, or did, (Aneurysm is one of my favourite guitar music tunes ever) and think Oasis are ok, but i'd never buy an album of theirs.

I happen to love The Foo Fighters, or loved their first 2 albums, but all i've chanced a hear of lately, or post The Colour and The Shape, has been weak. So they could be considered overrated? Although i do thing they're the bollocks still. :)

Abba

Mr. Lennon was probably being a bit of a knobhead that day then :)

I agree-the only band that can still write a decent protest song

Fuck off, Abba are the shit. Did i just say that? Oh... I'll get back in my closet.  :-[

I also agree. If anything they are underrated.

Thing is, there are bands I detest which seem to have contributed to music. Saying Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones are overrated is a bit extreme imo. How many iconic rock riffs did Led Zepp produce? Jimmy Page is a brilliant guitar player.

The Stones were one of the bands to pave the way for rock music and certainly British bands going to America. Those are some decent achievements.

If someone says Kasabian as an example (again subjective on musical tastes), you'd have to ask what they have done as a band. They haven't shaped music, they're not massively different to anything else. If someone said they were overrated I'd have a harder time arguing against it (I probably wouldn't), but I do own their albums and like a few of their songs.

Lucien speaketh truth.

The two don't normally go too well together...most people I know who have faith are not keen on porn.

You are not alone.

Michael Jackson?  What's he got to do with it?  Not one of his best Jay!

I have never seen the attraction of the Rolling Stones.

The Rolling Stones "The London Years"(their 60's stuff) is a quality 3 cd collection, some quality tracks on there!  Not so keen on their later material.