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Went on monday and it was quality.

Was good to hook up with my bredbins n shit

And in a different view I was working there on Sunday and it was shit.  Full of hyperactive teenagers shouting and blowing fucking whistles.  God I've never waned to shove a whistle down someones throat so much.

On the other hand I may just be a grumpy old tosser.

330 arrests and and riot at Ladbroke Grove.
Apparantley the Police claim it was a "trouble free" event this year!

Was Levi there selling his Reggae Reggae sauce, or now he has fame and fortune is Roots turning his back on his roots?

I had booked a steel band for an event yesterday and they cancelled due to exaustion from the carnival!!!  >:(

 Steel bands are ace....what were you going to do with it?

If everytime england played at wembley there was a roit, mass arrests, people being caught with tasers, guns, nun chucks etc etc then the event would be banned but becuase of the pc brigade and everyone being to scared to say anything in case of being called a nazi this event is allowed to go on.

I have been once and will never go again gangs of balck yobs roaming around trying to kill each other is not my idea of fun! Fuck me 200 of them even mobbed up away from the carnival with the intention of causing trouble ("steaming" I think they call it). If that happened at football everyone would have been charged with something been put in jail for a million years but nooooooooo (say it jamica accent) "it's carnival"

They were playing at a summer BBQ one of our clients was holding - all got cancelled - me and James offered to rock up and bash some drum lids but they werent having any of it

 You could do a turn at the TEF "summer" BBQ that Gazzza is organising.

I think it's a bit difficult to try and compare the average wembley football match with the Notting Hill Carnival. Maybe compare it to a similar event (but one with a much smaller contingent of ethnic minorites) such as Glastonbury where there were 152 arrests this year (183 in 2007) for an attendance of 146,000 compared with Notting Hill where attendances are estimated at 750,000 - 1,000,000 but with only 330 arrests. Add to that the fact that policing is viewed as tolerant at glastonbury compared with Notting Hill which is decidedly pro-active.

I've been to Notting Hill for the past 3 years and have found it to be nothing other than good fun and a very impressive celebration of our multi-culturalism.

I don't get it.  I get the (say it jamica accent) "beer can" = bacon but I can't fathom that one.

but Reg its nearly winter now

330 Arrests at the Carnival.
180 detained at Oval on their way to the carnival (all tooled up I might add)
AND a fucking riot.

Yes, a great example of multicultural enrichment....

Those 180 are included in the 330.

No they're not. They only arrested a dozen of those detained according to the press up here (drugs & weapons offences).

If it was a white carnival you would not comment.

Take your biggoted views and shove them up jim brannings ass

I would comment if it was a "white Carnival" (Whatever one of them is?).

Just because they're ethnic, it doesn't excuse anti-social behaviour.  Take you un-informed views and shove them up your own arse!

Here we go again  ::)

Basically the equivalent of about 12% of the population of Greater London attended this event each day, in an environment that attracted a whole load of police attention and widespread use of stop and search powers, and there were less than 200 arrests. The copper in charge Chief Insp Jo Edwards was quoted as saying: "The number of arrests is up on last year, but that is predominantly because of proactive policing."

Even if you forget all that, the number of crimes reported at carnival, about 330, for a population of about 1 million is hardly out of line for the Greater London average. There are about 875,000 reported crimes PA in GL. That's an average of 2,400ish a day. Over 2 days of carnival we're therefore looking at expected reported crime figures of about 288 a day or 576 over the two days.

You got 330. You're inventing a story to fit your own prejudices and to provide you with an an opportunity to peddle your ridiculous "race war" bullshit.

You're wrong. Again. It's getting boring now. You make this too easy.

I went a few years back,twas alright but I wouldnt bother again.

why does lumps always write what im thinking? Lumps I would like to thank you for the countless occasions your replies have saved me the bother, keep up the fight against ignorance and bigotory.

Because I'm in your brain stealing your thoughts and giving them life! >:D

Lumpy, I do love your replies, you obviously have more time on your hands than I do.

Just to clarify. I was referring to report in one of the free London papers last night, which although its not the most reliable source, is well read. They said that the total number of arrests was 330 including a dozen who were in the detained group at Oval.  If you've spent the time and effort to find more accurate fuigures then fair play, I'll accept them. No arguement.

Unfortunatley the rest of the post was rubbish.  I didn't see or hear anything about the Rangers so can't comment. Sorry I missed that one.

Notting Hill Carnival, may well have its roots in the immigrant community but these days its heavily proted as a "multi-cultural event for all of Londons diverse communities" Perhaps you can explain to me why most of the trouble come from one particular group?

I'm not trying to sell anything Lumpy. I just see people making excuses for bad behaviour becuase its their culture, innit

 ::)

Careful Lumps another music mogul did that and look what happened.


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189 of the arrests were white men.

Who can't jump.




The fence.

The point I was trying to make perhaps badly was not about black white pink yellow or blue fuckers I am to old and busy to agrue about that and don't care. What I was trying to get at was that if this was a football match then the the country would be in uproar and condeming everyone, I would refer you to the Rangers coverage following their actions in Manchester. It just seems to me that the moment you become a football fan you become a danger to everyone and the police can do what they like and the press vilafi you. However if you all want to bang on about race then carry on but you'll not drag me into it.

It's my village carnival soon.

No arrests last year.............

in an event of that size arrests are inevitable.could have all been white brits and it would have been similar.

That's what I thought arriba, but there wasn't one.

A few hundred pissed up yokels but not one arrest. Amazing eh?

White riot, I wanna riot.

The ratio of arrests V’s the estimated attendance at the carnival is actually less than the Leeds / Reading festival also held this weekend.  

When you consider that the carnival is a free event while Leeds / Reading is a fairly pricey all ticket affair it puts some perspective on it all.

At the end of the day you'll always attract an element at these sorts of shindigs especially when open to the masses but I do have to agree with the sentiment that the publicity even fairly minor misdemeanours at football attracts is out of perspective.

I note that despite the fact my answers to your rather pathetic shit stirring are "rubbish" you don't seem able to counter them in any way. The facts are still that 190 odd arrests and 330 reported incidents out of a population of 1 milllion is not a terrible statistic.

And your stupid racial profiling, yeah that gang of youth chucking stuff at the police was mainly black, but as I said in my post that gangs of Rangers fans chucking stuff at police in Manchester around the UEFA cup final were pretty much all white. So fucking what?

The gang detained at the Oval on police intelligence were mainly black, but the groups of football hooligans detained or prevented from travelling before every England international are almost all white. Again so fucking what?

The racial profile of the rest of the arrests I've no idea about, or for that matter the racial mix of the attenance at carnival, although I'd be willing to bet that there's a higher proportion of black people there then in the general population.

And you don't know either, you're just making assumptions that "all the trouble" came from black people. If you've got anything to back that up please post it otherwise shut the fuck up.

Lumps, with your post in mind you can equal up the problems between white and black youths very adequately.

The truth is we have a major problem with the youth element in the London boroughs, if that be knife crimes, drugs, robberies etc.

If you care to study these figures the main problem is black youths, now I'm not trying to be racist and please do not think I'm another Ironside.

If you believe the news broadcasts, the paper reports ... proportionally who is the major problem at the moment? They are obviously not the only element but they far outway any other.

Did you have a good time Ironside :D

wrong and right about what?

black or white the majority of crime is linked to poverty, it just so happens that a huge % of the poor in this country are non-white.

Fuck me so in a crowd of 1m people you were present for all 180 odd arrests and noted the race of all of them. What are the fucking odds of that? I can't explain how you then got all confused and thought there were over 300 arrests, but hey!

Or do you mean that actually what you were witness to was the running battle in Ladbroke Grove, which is all over the news and AS I ALREADY SAID was clearly with 40 odd black youth. If so you are generalising just like I said you were in the last post, because you said that ALL the trouble is from black youth, and there are over 140 arrests and nearly 300 reported crimes that you don't have any information about..

We are talking about London - how do you class poor?
Not working?
No parental care?
Always have a nice jacket and good pair of trainers?
I'm poor so I'll carry a knife?

Probably very bad examples I know.

We are not talking about a west country, east anglian, southern coast region here, we are talking about London.

You have to live there to realise what I'm talking about, and I do for many weeks each year. God help those who have to live there all the time.

and the majority of people who live in the poorest parts of london or birmingham or manchester are ethnic minorities. white flight started at the turn of the twentieth century with the irish and was continued with the caribean and asian communites

London is a hell of a lot different from Manchester and Birmingham I can tell you.

Well go on then Mr. Expert. Tell us. Explain the different demographics regarding poverty, and how London differs to other high population urban areas.

London's got a QUEEN :D :D :D

No expert, lived in all three regions in my life, London is completely different to the other two.

Probably the best comment on the thread :D

Black man gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick

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But you're not actually saying anything, or making any point relative to the discussion are you? Just saying that London's different over and over. I'm sure you're not the only person with experience of London.

If I say anymore I might be classed in the same vein as Ironside, which I do wish, so I will now shut up.

You do?

You lot are funny. Despite the fact that one side will never convice the other of their point of you still the post fly back and forth. Why can't you just accept the other person point of you, we do of course live in a free country so what if Lumps hates black people or dell boy is a left winh tree hugger it is after all there choice.

With regards poverty and crime I think the agrument that being poor  is an excuse/reason for crime is a rather poor one. I spent 5 years living on a inner city council easte being looked after my by my single partent mum. We were poor as fuck, but my mum never stopped working neither me or my brother ever got into trouble with the police, we didn't hang around street corners nor we did we carry knifes. The fact is that being poor has fuck all to do with the choice people make to commint crime that is there choice and always will be. To suggest that poverty is an excuse or even a reason for crime is an insult to every hard working person who has dragged them self out of poverty.

whoops, that should state which 'I do not wish'

I wouldnt go to the carnival,i like to enjoy myself with my family,not look over my shoulder hoping a gang of lowlife dosnt ruin my life.

Actually when you get behind the newspaper headlines and look at the real stats, crime isn't doing the mad mushrooming out of control that the media would have us all believe.  

Look at the 12 month rolling stats here.

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/docs/hist_perf.pdf

Doesn't really fit with the moral panic that's currently ongoing does it. Murder down, robbery down, gun crime down, Most Serious Violence and Assault with Injury down. What it tells us is all these stabbings that were being terrified by at the moment, were almost certainly happening last year and the year before to an even greater extent, but each one wasn't headline national news like they've been this year.

As for your comments about the racial profiling of certain categories of crime they're true enough. Street robbery has a higher proportion of black kids arrested, charged and convicted than amongst the general population, but in burglary it's lower than in the general population. Both are quite nasty property crimes and when you put them together the racial profile of the offenders is pretty much the same as the general pop?

What does that tell us? Well fuck all really. It's clearly more than a statistical anomaly, more of a clutural trend, but there are still black burglars and there are still white muggers, so it's not like you can generalise in investigating those crimes.

Overall there is a higher proportion of non -white people in prision than in the general population, about 10% compared to about 2-2.5%, but when you look at the stats at every stage of the policing and judicial system that's not suprising. Non-whites are 5 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, they're 4 times more likely to be arrested, more likely to receive a custodial sentence, get noticeably longer sentences than white people.

If you police a community more closely, are more inclined to imprison them, and almost always lock them up for longer, you're going to find there are more of them inside.

Let's face it the 19th century there were very few black people living in London but there was still plenty of street crime. Take the black faces away tomorrow and I can't imagine the streets would suddenly be wonderfully safe.

No one's saying that criminal behaviour can be excused by poverty. It's just a far more significant correlation than race.

Fuck me gazas fat mate offers a very good point with regard to poor and crime

Thing is Lumps,the Black and Asians have lost there respect for ther elders in there own community ime afraid,theres a group of people in this country,a million in fact who we all could learn from Black and White,apart from very isolated incidents,you dont see them riot,they look after there old people,they work fukin hard and they love and treat England with respect....yes we could all take a leaf out of there book,and why are the Chinese different....easy,you fuk about in China your punished and if you really fuk about your punished permanent....dont think ive ever seen a Chinese mugger.

Fucking hell leefer you are mad, when was the last time you had respect of a white? This is a society problem not a fucking colour problem.

Have you ever heard of a small group called the Triads?

That was pretty much going to be my response.

Rush hour 2

Spot on

Have you ever seen triads,i havnt...if you read my post properly i didnt say it was a black or white issue read the post properly before jumping on the Leefer is racist bandwagon,my point if you read is that there are thousands of chinese,there are thousands of jews who have lived here for donkeys years and they dont cause hassle and why...because the organisations who represent these groups make sure that ther young people learn respect for ware ever they live,ive never seen a triad,ive never seen a yardie but no one can tell me that there isnt a problem with certain with certain groups in this country,my view is black,white asian...whatever your creed if you live in a country you obey the law unfortunatly if you live in a country and your in a minority and cause trouble its going to get highlighted,its not a colour problem its a culture issue in most cases,most coloured and asian people in this country are British,i know someone who went to the carnival and alot of the trouble towards the police was caused by anarchists and mostly white yobs....but i stand by my statement that black and asian leaders really need to do what they used to do and come down hard on there unruly element in there groups....but i fear its too late now for that.I feel that in general we all live in harmony considering how many different races we have living here,the media delight in highlighting crime because it sells..an example being as a driveri wouldnt park my lorry in Brixton overnight because i percieve through the media that its full of unruly black people who might trash it and mug me....but the truth is the only trouble ive ever had is when i parked for the night in Leamington Spa!...so for you to say its a society problem i agree to a point but certain factions of our society dont want to be part of it...and thats ware the problem begins.

  The Chinese are an interesting lot....when I lived in Pompey, there was an ace flea pit cinema specialising in grainy 70's porn films.....it was the 70's....I went along one Sunday afternon out of curiosity and the place was rammed with Chinese fellas, must have been a couple of hundred.

 I suppose it could have been a boat load, but I'm not sure we allowed Mao's Red Navy into our harbours back then.

 Youn wouldn't particularly have noticed that Pompey had a large Chinese community, of course GB's Chinese community are mainly Hong Kong and they seem very good at integrating into British life relatively seamlessly...

It's too hard work to read that post.

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they are all as bad as eachother