Title: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:17:24 Kevin Pietersen (captain), Tim Ambrose, James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Alastair Cook, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Flintoff, Steve Harmison, Monty Panesar, Ryan Sidebottom, Andrew Strauss.
Bit surprised that Bopara is picked ahead of Shah. No wait, this is England we're talking about... I'm not surprised at all. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:18:42 England squad for Twenty20 and one-day internationals against South Africa: Kevin Pietersen (captain), James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Alastair Cook, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Flintoff, Samit Patel, Matt Prior, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, Chris Tremlett, Luke Wright. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:19:43 Who is Samit Patel?
I think they're just holding the fort for the fourth test, the really interesting one will be the first test against whoever we're playing next. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:29:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samit_Patel
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:32:42 I've seen him a couple of times, looks quite a tidy player in the one day game. Can score quick runs and bowl a bit as well.
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: fatbury on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:39:31 Tim Ambrose???? How did he stay in the test side?????
Samit Patel?? Wheres the conistency in their selection policy here??? Never heard of him Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:40:20 He was in the ICC Champions Trophy squad, apparently. Bit of a left field one there though.
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:42:14 Geoff Miller on the radio sounds like a right chump.
He's just said that he doesn't think Ambrose at 6 was a mistake. I mean, really. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: alanmayes on Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:42:26 Kevin Pietersen (captain), Tim Ambrose, James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Alastair Cook, Paul Collingwood, Andrew Flintoff, Steve Harmison, Monty Panesar, Ryan Sidebottom, Andrew Strauss. Bit surprised that Bopara is picked ahead of Shah. No great surprise,Bopara is flavour of the month with the selectors.He's a very good 1 day player, but hasn't looked a number 6 in the test match arena.I'd have preferred Shah,as he can bat anywhere from No.3 to No,6.Unfortunately,for whatever reason he seems to have fallen out with the selectors. Samit Patel had a quick fire knock for Notts at Cheltenham yesterday. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Lumps on Monday, August 4, 2008, 13:29:51 Has Hoggy died or what?
How is it our batsmen can continue on from test to test turning in one decent performance in 5 or 6 innings and cling onto their place, whereas a bowler has a couple of shit games and they're calling up the likes of Pattinson? Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: cib on Monday, August 4, 2008, 17:51:17 He was in the ICC Champions Trophy squad, apparently. Bit of a left field one there though. Is it left field because you didn't know who he was until today?! Is that because he isn't Bopara/Napier or play for one of the teams frequently on the tv so isn't touted in the media by gobshites like Atherton, Hussain et al? Samit Patel as consistently played well in 40/50 over cricket over the past few seasons, and has improved in the 4 day game this season also, plus he is fairly useful as a spinner (improving all the time). Much like Graham Swann consistently played well on the county circuit for Notts and earned his call up, so has Samit. Fatbury: who would you bring in to the squad to show consistency? The last time i looked we were a consistently average ODI side. Michael Pook won't sure up our middle order Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, August 4, 2008, 17:52:12 another impressive display from shah for the crusaders today... It can't be long til he gets a bash, surely?!
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: fatbury on Monday, August 4, 2008, 19:18:07 Is it left field because you didn't know who he was until today?! Is that because he isn't Bopara/Napier or play for one of the teams frequently on the tv so isn't touted in the media by gobshites like Atherton, Hussain et al? Samit Patel as consistently played well in 40/50 over cricket over the past few seasons, and has improved in the 4 day game this season also, plus he is fairly useful as a spinner (improving all the time). Much like Graham Swann consistently played well on the county circuit for Notts and earned his call up, so has Samit. Fatbury: who would you bring in to the squad to show consistency? The last time i looked we were a consistently average ODI side. Michael Pook won't sure up our middle order Well I would have thought Graham Napier was worth a shout Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, August 4, 2008, 20:28:58 No Denly and no Shah. More top stuff from our selectors (not).
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 4, 2008, 20:43:01 Is it left field because you didn't know who he was until today?! Is that because he isn't Bopara/Napier or play for one of the teams frequently on the tv so isn't touted in the media by gobshites like Atherton, Hussain et al? Entirely correct, yes. I don't follow County Cricket as much as I'd like (Read: Don't have Sky, no local team) so I only really get to hear about the players that get talked up by the media. I hope the guy does well. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: sonic youth on Monday, August 4, 2008, 22:46:03 i haven't seen patel this season but if i recall correctly he's a handy player, possibly a replacement for monty? much as i love him, he's never been much cop in ODI cricket...they tried it last summer with yardy.
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: suttonred on Monday, August 4, 2008, 22:51:18 Well I would have thought Graham Napier was worth a shout Are you on about the one day squad? As Napier would never make the test side, and to be honest 2 or 3 knocks in one dayers/20/20 in 10 years isn't much of a CV.Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: michael on Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 19:49:46 Harmison in for Sidebottom, and Broad in for Vaughan then.
Stronger batting lineup, and we'll be needing a third slip. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 19:55:12 Stronger batting line up? Owch.
True on the averages though. Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:07:20 Good start for KP, loses toss Cook drops Smith 1st ball. :(
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: janaage on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14:20 You see the wickie get a ball in the face, deserved it, not a great technique in that take was there.
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:26:24 On the bright side, KP's abolished the huddle!
Title: Re: Squad for 4th Test Post by: janaage on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:30:59 I really hope Swindon abolish the huddle too, it's crap!!! Do that in the changing room.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:56:37 Cook's been a bit busy. Shame he's dropped more than he's caught.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: dell boy on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 13:19:38 105-4, ooooohh
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: suttonred on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 13:41:05 I'm going tomorrow, i thought i might be watching the saffers bat all day about 30 mins ago, but looks as though it might be a bit more interesting now.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: dell boy on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 14:42:29 158-7 at tea
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 14:42:49 Blimey, this is going well, just the tail left, McKenzie's just gone.
Harmison is back, and more to the point, Anderson's swinging it like it's the 60's. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: suttonred on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 14:46:15 Knowing the fragility of our batting it might be all over by the time i get there at this rate.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 15:22:36 Making a mental note to watch the highlights on C5 tonight, I'm still bound to forget though.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: dell boy on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 15:24:19 9 down
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 16:12:10 194 all out. Good start.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 16:21:57 I forgot this started today. I may have to forget more often the way it's going.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: land_of_bo on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 16:33:54 Yay, go Strauss.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 16:36:10 Oh here we go. More shit batting.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: michael on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 18:35:57 Impressive performance today, what a difference it makes when the entire bowling attack contributes. And I think that James Anderson really does have to be an automatic pick now, and not just a stop-gap.
And I know someone (probably Aggers) will say "ah well it's a dead rubber" but do you really believe that SA and people like Nel and Smith play with the intention of doing anything other than win? I imagine the fact that KP being opposing captain will have them sufficiently fired up for this. Great start. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 19:59:24 it was only the highlights i saw, but harmison bowled reet good today
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 20:03:51 Jimmy A did Kallis beautifully too.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 20:09:35 it was only the highlights i saw, but harmison bowled reet good today :nod: That ball to Amla was schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Thursday, August 7, 2008, 21:58:19 I forgot this started today. I may have to forget more often the way it's going. I also forgot to watch the highlightd. d'oh. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: larwood on Friday, August 8, 2008, 10:56:04 Was raining now its stopped and guess what we've lost a wicket.Bell out for his usual piddly score.
67-2 Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 13:05:31 50 up for Pietersen. 143-3.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 13:49:24 Ntini has dropped two Pietsersen shots that he's whacked into the air.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: A Gent Orange on Friday, August 8, 2008, 14:58:15 KP has gone now. Ntini got him on 100.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 15:00:03 KP has gone now. Ntini got him on 100. Yeah - glad he got his 100 but it was another one of those shots. Mind you he had two dropped catches so he was lucky to get the century. Flintoff has just hit a nice six straight down the ground. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: janaage on Friday, August 8, 2008, 15:21:40 "Was it a poor shot, or just good bowling" as Boeta says. It was shi batting if you ask me, but I ain't no cricketeer!!
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 15:24:51 50 up for Collingwood now... Good lad.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 15:26:24 Flintoff gone for 9.
and Ambrose goes too, for 4. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Friday, August 8, 2008, 16:16:16 might take a 100 lead from this if colly can knock a few.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Friday, August 8, 2008, 16:16:43 crap, he just got out.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Lumps on Friday, August 8, 2008, 16:24:14 Can someone remind me why it was we dropped Geraint Jones again?
I know people used to bang on about the quality of his keeping, but none of the muppets that have come in to replace him have looked much better with the gloves, and some of the batting from them has been woeful. The extremes in the argument are supposed to be Matt Prior at one end, great 1st class batting average but mediocre with the gloves on, and Chris Read at the other, supposedly the best keeper. But actually Jones took more catches per test than any of the other recent keepers averaging over 3.7 a test, even better than Read at 3.2 and way better than the rest, and he's the only one who's first class batting average comes close to Prior's. So can someone tell me what Ambrose is supposed to bloody offer. He's only just about taking a catch a test match at the moment, and I can't remember him ever stumping anyone, in fact he's never bloody likely to with his little arms and legs and the distance he stands behind the wicket. Tiny Tim's gotta go hasn't he? Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 16:32:56 Shame we've collapsed quite significantly - Keep going Harmison though.
His wicket will now follow shortly. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, August 8, 2008, 16:52:03 Can someone remind me why it was we dropped Geraint Jones again? I know people used to bang on about the quality of his keeping, but none of the muppets that have come in to replace him have looked much better with the gloves, and some of the batting from them has been woeful. The extremes in the argument are supposed to be Matt Prior at one end, great 1st class batting average but mediocre with the gloves on, and Chris Read at the other, supposedly the best keeper. But actually Jones took more catches per test than any of the other recent keepers averaging over 3.7 a test, even better than Read at 3.2 and way better than the rest, and he's the only one who's first class batting average comes close to Prior's. So can someone tell me what Ambrose is supposed to bloody offer. He's only just about taking a catch a test match at the moment, and I can't remember him ever stumping anyone, in fact he's never bloody likely to with his little arms and legs and the distance he stands behind the wicket. Tiny Tim's gotta go hasn't he? Some good points there. Jone's form did slip a lot with the bat before he was dropped though. I still think Read should have been given much more of a chance. Jones got a good year or so straight in the team so he had a fair crack at the whip. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, August 8, 2008, 16:53:19 Harmison 26 not out. Oh dear Saffies.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:02:57 He's going for a 50 isn't he? That's over 30 now and still not out. These could prove vital really.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:05:04 He's going for a 50 isn't he? That's over 30 now and still not out. These could prove vital really. Definately. He's going for it in a way only a tail ender can - ugly but entertaining! Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:19:56 Hehe, Jimmy and Harmy are taking the piss here :D
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:21:47 Boo, leg bye.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:22:37 Hehe, Jimmy and Harmy are taking the piss here :D Anderson gone. Boo Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:23:11 C'mon Panesar...... don't let Harmison down.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:24:06 Harmy is nearly there. How did we get over 300?
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:25:38 Gutted :(
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:29:59 Over 100 though. That's a decent lead tbh. Maybe get a few overs at them tonight?
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:31:46 Over 100 though. That's a decent lead tbh. Maybe get a few overs at them tonight? I hope so. Harmison and Anderson's batting was crucial today. Good for them... Just hope they do their jobs tomorrow. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:38:56 Gutted for Harmison, so close.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:41:58 haha, 0 for 1.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:46:20 haha, 0 for 1. Awesome that it was Smith that went too. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: axs on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:48:07 if Mckenzie makes a ton I'll cry.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: suttonred on Friday, August 8, 2008, 17:55:27 Just back Quite turgid in places today, and the crowd was very low key, managed to miss 3 dismissals inc Pietersen and Collingwood, whilst in the toilet! And then had to leave early as wife got stuck at work, so didn't see that much for my £71.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: strooood on Monday, August 11, 2008, 11:46:46 surely this is in the bag.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Rich Pullen on Monday, August 11, 2008, 11:49:42 surely this is in the bag. It better be! Good to see the openers stay in. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Lumps on Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:02:12 It better be! Good to see the openers stay in. Yeah. Shame that the first time they can manage it is in an innings that doesn't count for fucking anything. Maybe they could have found a bit of backbone at Edgebaston and we could have saved the frigging series. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: sonic youth on Monday, August 11, 2008, 12:56:48 here comes a collapse of mammoth proportions
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: sonic youth on Monday, August 11, 2008, 13:19:01 thar she blows...
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: dell boy on Monday, August 11, 2008, 13:19:54 And another, Strauss out
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, August 11, 2008, 15:24:23 What collapse? 8)
Yer man Freddie won it with a cool six :) Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 11, 2008, 15:30:59 Always better to win than lose...but a bit of an anticlimax...can't help but think Miller and co lost us this series, the Saffas aren't that good.
Next up (ignoring one dayers) 2 tests in India...will Harmy travel, will Bell boy keep a place at 3, is Rashid ready or will Swann play in tests? I fucking love cricket me. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, August 11, 2008, 15:49:17 Didn't Swann get a five 'fer yesterday?
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: sonic youth on Monday, August 11, 2008, 15:50:09 kp as second spin option?
rashid can bat a bit though Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, August 11, 2008, 15:52:58 Didn't Swann get a five 'fer yesterday? In answer to my own question, no he didn't. He got 4-35 from 8 which is just as respectable but still couldn't prevent Notts from losing. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 11, 2008, 16:18:06 In answer to my own question, no he didn't. He got 4-35 from 8 which is just as respectable but still couldn't prevent Notts from losing. Swann's effort was against teh might of Somerset, but a one-dayer. He's decent enough at this but not sure about the longer game. After Edgbaston, the word seems to be that Monty is on borrowed time, poor battting and fielding not bailed out by good enough bowling on a helpful pitch. Swann and Rashid might be an interesting combo...we'd have the longest batting line up in Test teams. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, August 11, 2008, 19:08:54 I'd take Rashid. Fuck Swan he's getting on now and he's had plenty a chance. We need to look to the future.
If the selectors axe Monty they are simply deluded. He's the best spinner we have had for a long time. At least he takes wickets. On the sub continent he'll do very well. Nothing surprises me anymore though. I expect the selectors will fuck the whole tour up for us. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 11, 2008, 19:17:41 I'd take Rashid. Fuck Swan he's getting on now and he's had plenty a chance. We need to look to the future. If the selectors axe Monty they are simply deluded. He's the best spinner we have had for a long time. At least he takes wickets. On the sub continent he'll do very well. Nothing surprises me anymore though. I expect the selectors will fuck the whole tour up for us. TBF Swann is 29...no age for a spinner, last time in India we took Sean Udal who was 36/37. Monty was poor in Sri Lanka....its usual to play a couple of spinners in India. Monty will play, but as he's nothing else to fall back on his bowling comes under pressure. He needs a good couple of games. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, August 11, 2008, 19:32:36 Monty does take wickets though Reg. Don't forget this summer it's hardly been a spinners dream with the weather and all. I'm sick of Swan. If he was that good he's have been in the side 8 years ago and still in it now but he isn't.
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 11, 2008, 19:56:21 Monty does take wickets though Reg. Don't forget this summer it's hardly been a spinners dream with the weather and all. I'm sick of Swan. If he was that good he's have been in the side 8 years ago and still in it now but he isn't. All true, but there just isn't a decent second spinner available, so it's best of a bad job. In recent years we've taken the likes of Richard Dawson and Martyn Ball, as well as the veteran Udal. Watching Warks on box t'other night, they've now got Ian Salisbury. How frustrating was he? Something like 850 fc wickets....bowls sharp spinning leg break, googly and top spinner, but still bowls a 4 ball an over. Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 11, 2008, 20:06:32 Mendis doesn't happen to have an English twin does he?
Title: Re: 4th Test Thread (previously Squad for 4th Test) Post by: michael on Monday, August 11, 2008, 20:08:43 Rashid is a wristy isn't he? Would be interesting seeing him out there.
Steven Davies scored a tonne the other day as well in a pro 40 game for Worcestershire, which will no doubt catch the attention of the selectors now that Ambrose is injured. Though having said that Prior is in as backstop for the one day series isn't he. |