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I reckon most people have done it at sometime especially the older generation like myself, I must admit I use to risk it quite a bit, but these days I'm a lot more responsible.
Then the other afternoon I met a few old mates...

I had three pints at The Wagon & Horses (stella) probably over the limit, when I came out of the pub a black VW with two police lookalike gents came right up on my tail and followed me for about a mile, I saw a opportunity to get rid of them, I pulled into the next pub, The Elephant & Castle they didn't follow. Now this pub has two exits and I got one of my mates in the Elephant to take me out of the other exit in his car and drive around, as we came past the pub from another road, sitting not fifty yards from the pub in the direction of my house was this bloody black VW.
So we went back to the pub, I left my car and got a taxi home, now that was close ...

fucking no way, wud never dream of it, my fear would be hitting a car with baby in it, and Dell you are a cunt for doing it

scum

It would have served you right if you'd got caught and lost your licence.

3 pints of stella would certainly impare your driving ability. However much of a big hard man you thing you are.

So none of you have drank over the top then driven, sorry don't believe you oh rightous posters.

i havent, im no angel, but drink driving its a cuntish thing to do

I dont even have one if Im driving - Im a total leightweight

I haven't. So I can be all righteous as much as I want.

Everyone else is being a big righteous jew paladin though.

Apart from Dave, he gets the bus.

So have you ever done, maybe just the once, but have you? Answer the question?

same as me, if im driving i wont touch alcohol

Not purposely no.

I have driven the next morning when with hindsight I probably shouldn't. And yes I know that's no better.

i have never drank alcohol and driven, no way and never would

An honest reply....

Not saying I'm right, I was wrong to drive.
Again very much a generation thing, when I was a young man everyone got into their car after a skin full.

Drink driving is to the 90's is what aids was to the 80's.

The 00's big beating stuff into you with advertising campaigns is er...

I can't think of anything.

mine was a honest reply, its just not the answer u wanted, so u dont believe me

nope. but i cant technichally drive...

I've been in a car when the driver has had a few though. That was scary

No sir, you hadn't answered at the time I replied to Batch, I believe you honestly.
My children as far as I'm aware have never had a drink and driven same for most of their friends.

Wouldn't touch a drop and drive and to be honest if I’ve been on the sauce I usually won’t drive the day after either unless absolutely necessary and a good minimum 12 hours after my last drink.

I’ve had to many good friends get sent down for drink driving and one woman I knew who “only had a couple of glasses of wine” killed an old dear and did serious time and she was far from the sort you would ever imagine doing any sort of prison holiday.  Another chap who was a college lecturer and had worked all over the world, had an absolutely stunning Swiss wife and kids he got done, lost his job and I see him every 6 months having lost everything he's usually sleeping rough and on the sauce.

I’ve never had the habit of taking a car to the pub so there’s never been that temptation but from talking to people that have been done it’s a habit and while the car is sat in that car park temptation isn’t far off.

Besides if you go the pub it's for the purpose of going on the lash so cars shouldn't come into the equation.

Live by the motto why have one when you can have ten* and you’ll be fine.





* ten+

I've done it more than once after 2 or 3 beers, and hands up I did it once when proper pissed. It was stupid and I wouldn't do it again, it's something I've grown out of. If people want to slag that off thats fine, goes with the territory of doing something stupid.

Find the threads from Si Pie and Walrus if you want a first hand account. I would but I can't be arsed.

I think that’s half the battle Dell and to be honest most of the pubs round my neck of the woods that are ‘out of town’ have long gone now with a couple of exceptions.

There were an enterprising couple of lads round my neck of the woods that would turn up on a foldaway scooter, stick it in your car boot and drive you home for a few quid.  Think they went belly up though a few months back.

top gear did that once

the new drink driving will become speeding

Ace. Speeding pisses me off.

'Scooter Man' are still operating in my area I believe.

I would like to stress people that on this occasion, the three pints I consumed was not the norm for me to get into a car and drive these days.

I would normally have a pint and a half, then drive home and walk to my local, but I ran into some old friends and it was the old, come on have another one, and then one for the road.

Always been easily led and was having a good old laugh.

then u should have been big enough to, 1. dont have another drink, or 2. have the drink and not drive home

9 years ago worked for some city type pricks, drove my mums 4 x 4 back after 2 and a half pints.  Step dad sat me through 3 hours of fire videos from accidents and never will do it again.  

I get the piss taken out of me for drinking shandy! Then again I lose my license and I lose everyything

Thanks, I'll remember next time

i drink Pepsi when driving and i get taken the piss out of, i couldnt give a shit really, i still wont drink and drive

par example -
link (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:aTsv4ny2qZsJ:www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/McKenna.pdf+mckenna+the+perceived+legitimacy+of+speeding&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)

edited link so it didn't break the forum on my crappy laptop - fB

I've done it once. About 3am and I'd had a rare up with the missus so I just got in the car and drove off.

If it's just a normal night out then I'll get a lift / taxi / bus.

I just tried reading that.

fuck me it was dull

Was the conclusion that fast cars are cool?

I had a brief look and it seemed to be more about the action of government intervention against stuff than speeding itself. I didn't read very far though, so I don't know if it came out in favour of the "nanny state". I might have a proper look later.

i'll have 2 pints of shandy or 1 lager but no more.and deffo no stella or kroney.
you were lucky dell boy as you were deffo over the limit

it first considers paternalism and perceived legitimacy in general, and then about five pages down it considers it in specific relation to speeding

essentially, changing the perceived legitimacy of drink driving has lead to a decrease, and if the same could occur for speeding then more lives would be saved. however, there are problems with changing public opinions - one of them highlighted by arriba's thread where people think (often rightly so) that speed cameras are more of a revenue-generating mechanism than a life-saver

I think I asked on the other thread but I'm not sure I got an answer. But speed cameras can't be that much of a revenue gatherer in the big government scale, can they? The revenue argument never seems to make a lot of sense.

true, but questions are asked when cameras are put in places with a higher incidence of speeding, but not in places with very high incidence of causalties

But then not all casualties are caused my speed. If it's a place where the casualties are caused by people crossing over blind corners or something then a speed camera wouldn't directly solve that.

I don't think it's a generatioinal thing at all....more of an idiot thing.

I never have. seriously.

I admin, im sure when i have been drinking and have work the next morning im prob still over the limit sometimes, but as for going to the pub drinking 10 pints then driving home, no. If i intend on drinking i leave my car at home, if i drive i wont drink.

My old man used to tell me stories of back in the 60s/70's it was pretty common to go to oxford for a night out drink 10/15 pints and then drive home.

It strikes me as one where I'm sure they would love you to believe that - i've heard the argument that revenue from speed cameras can only be spent on more speed cameras, but the number of cameras was always going to increase, so this frees up more money in the treasury for new kitchens for MPs or something.

the mobile cameras, the sneaky ones round corners, or the ones on what look like 40mph roads but with a 30mph sign under a bush somewhere - even the 60 quid you get for parking 2h5mins in a 2hour space have nowt to do with public safety.  The fact its its a lot easier to fine this sort of thing with no real contact with the accused - and drivers are a likely target that can probably afford to pay up - than it is to do things that would really benefit the public; i.e. to  check up on scratters breaching their ASBOs and then have to pay someone to actually deal with them and, shock, have them want a trial or something equally expensive.

Similarly with pissed up cunts on the road - unless you are speeding too, there isn't much you can do with cameras, it needs coppers in a car to pull you over and breathalise you - which is expensive and not 100% succesful.  Thats not to say speeding isn't wrong, but to me there are some situations where the risk is acceptable, and its a lot less reprehensible than driving whilst impaired.

Of course it's a generation thing. When my dad first got his license, it wasn't even against the law to drink-drive in this country. Of course there were probably 15% of the cars on the road back then.

I, unfortunately, have driven in some ridiculous states. The first time i was off my rocker on beans and my mrs at the time had a medical emergency that required us to be at home immediately, so she could get her medecine. In my naive younger state i decided that i got away with it once...

etcetcetc.

Anyways, I decided if i couldn't be trusted not to drink and drive then i really ought not to be driving at all. I got a job within walking distance of my house and gave my car to afore-mentioned girl.

in fact here - 20million quid up on the deal in 2003-2004.  over 20%, a nice little earner

http://www.dft.gov.uk/foi/responses/2005/mar/speedcamerarevenue/

That sort of makes my point though. 20million is fuck all in the government spending levels. If it was really about revenue they'd be better off putting a quid on road tax.

I have done, but the night that I did taught me something.

It wasn't the cool 1k sterling fine/bribe that taught me. It was the fact the parked car that  I hit could so easily have been a person.

Since then....... ABSOLUTELY NOT.

If I know that I am going to be drinking then I call a taxi to go out, or if the 'designated' driver has had too many then I'll get a taxi home and then get my car the next day.

my point was that these fines are easy to levy and pursue, they do raise money, but the argument that they are for 'public saftey' is a bit thin as there are many other things they could do that would have a larger impact on public saftey that they don't, presumably becasue they are harder to do or cost money

I mean the 50 million the coppers in England didn't get that the scottish ones did is only 2.5 times fuck all - but still they won't get that and we could be faced with them going out on strike in the future leaving dell to hammer around lashed to his heart's content.  I didn't accuse the government of knowing what it was doing, or having its priorities right.

I'm not saying that the government is close to be being right in most things that they do. But they aren't out to get you.

Stuff about them trying to trick you into speeding is bollocks. Just stay under the speed limit it's not as difficult as lots of people seem to make out.

Says the bloke who never drives  :D

I had to give a breath test on three pints about 15 years ago and passed. I've known others have just one and half pints and fail so it really isn't a very fair system in this country, so I suppose the only way to go is not drink at all if you are driving.

I felt perfectly sober when I left the pub this time, I was obviously worried I would fail a breath test because I pulled into another pub car park to avoid the old bill.

As I stated earlier, this is not the norm for me these days to even contemplate driving over the limit, but it just shows how easily you can even though you know it's wrong, like the TV ad of last year when the guy refuses a drink because he's driving and his mates start taking the piss and eventually he does.

I don't mind having a drink before driving but I'd never drink enough to put me over the limit, and wouldn't normally drink anything at all if I was driving within say the next 2 hours.

As a lorry driver ive seen some nasty moments,and a couple of crashes that made me physically sick,drink driving is bad and wrong....but the point is the law is wrong....why because alot of people will have a glass of wine after along day and they might as well have drunk 3 glasses because ware all made differently,some nights i can drink loads and it wont affect me,butanother night 2 drinks and i feel pissed.....the law is an ass,should be no alcahol if your driving!

It does seem odd that you can't drive whilst using a mobile phone, but can after having a pint.

I don't think you should be allowed to smoke whilst driving either.

It is a filthy habbit.

I think drink driving is something people are not willing to readily admit to, mainly because it's deemed so socially unnacceptable by most (which is a good thing). However, most are probably blissfully unaware that they may have done it.

Given the choice I'd have tested myself with a £20-50 piece of breath-testing kit that I could use time and time again, which is something I will do when I'm back on the road (or indeed not drive at all the next day). It's a small price to pay compared to a potential lengthy ban, fine and possible further punishment, not to mention the guilt and sorrow and anger amongst yourself, family, friends and general public should the worst happen.

It's very well saying you don't drive the morning after, but:

a) We're all different and metabolise alcohol at different rates, at different times, in different circumstance.

b) Your body can only metabolise a certain amount of alcohol in a given period. Metabolism in this period is finite. You could go out on Friday and Saturday night and the cumulative effect may still put you over the limit by Sunday afternoon.

As for limiting yourself to one drink when you're driving to the pub, I really didn't ever see the point and this is something I probably did about once. On all other occassions I'd 'responsibly' only drink soft drinks. That's not a social judgement, merely a personal opinion.

People who have crept over the speed limit (or smashed it) or used a mobile whilst driving are more willing to admit it because there is little social outcasting that comes with doing this. Hopefully a greater awareness of how dangerous this can be in certain circumstances will start to filter into the public's consciousness in the near future.

I think harsher bans are working with drink driving and I wouldn't be surprised to see harsher penalties for other offences accordingly (which has already started to happen in fact).

If i'm driving, I have 1 pint max normally.

If at football on a saturday, I may have 2 pints and then several cokes before the match plus a burger and coffee during the game.

I do the licensing training for managers to obtain their BII qualification.

20 minutes after you stop drinking the body gets rid of approx 1 unit of alcohol an hour (Half a pint of normal strength lager). There is no way to speed this process up, no matter what you eat, or drink.

I'm like Ralphy at the footy, I'll usually have a couple of lagers, then stop at about 2.00, that way I know I'll be ok when I get back in the car................

i've never driven whilst pissed, but have driven the morning after a heavy session and will never, ever do that again.

1 friend is a regular drink/driver, he's good at acting not pissed until the next morning, he's a sneaky fucker otherwise i'd pull him up on it a bit more. an old friend used to drink and drive from the town centre to south cerny, he almost put his car up an embankment and into one of the lakes once. the guy is a fool!

Got stopped a few weeks ago, i'd had 2 pints about 3 hours before and even though i knew i was below the limit, i was still a bit shook up about being stopped. I don't think i'll drink anything before driving again tbh, really put me off from even a casual pint

Thinking about it, if I could drive, I don't think I'd ever get behind the wheel without at least a bottle of wine in me and another in my hand.

My Mum was almost killed by a drunk driver in 1992 and if I can find the picture of our car after I'll post it. My Mum is still petrified to this day to drive at night after getting hit by this twat. I dont get on with my Mum at all as people know but drinking and driving is just twatish not a "generational thing".

Can we say knifing people now "is ok because its a generational thing"? No. either way someone could end up being killed, Narrow minded stupidity, the "generational thing" is just a poor excuse to try and justify your stupid, arrogant, selfish actions without worrying about anything other than yourself.

So if my Mum was killed in that car crash then Dell do you turn around to the court and say "oh it's ok it's just a generational thing, I wont do it again" , Would that bring her back? Heal the hurt of the people who she left? MORON.

I've NEVER driven while pissed, to be fair it is extremely rare for me to get pissed, but if I'm driving and we go out for a meal or anything like that I will stick to 1/2 a pint to a pint, or if I go out to the pub and know I'm driving early the following day I will stick to about 3 pints and no more so I know I'm enough aware to drive and not at risk - I need to be able to drive for work it is not critical that I do but it would cause a problem if I couldn't.....

Although if we go out to the pub with the missus freinds I can perv at the young ladies and blame the drink if I get caught.....

Anyone who drinks and drives is a moron, No doubt about it but most didn’t come to gloat about it etc… My example was to show you how it affects people on the otherside.

I know of a mini bus driver who posts on here, had about 7 pints got breathalised and pased.  fucked up is that

Yeah but playing the over-emotional blame thing doesn't help you, your mum, or make a particularly good way of putting it across. At least I don't think so anyway.

However many times anybody on here have driven over the limit, the only person who is responsible for what happened to your mum is the bloke in the other car.

Anyhoo.... I'm surprised that you don't see more tellybox adverts aimed at people who are still over the limit the morning after a session. There must be a fair few on the road every morning. I don't know how actively the police hunt people out in the morning rush.

I agree with Gazza.  Not being personal but people who drink and then drive
are indeed morons.  There is no need for it.  My cousin and 3 of his mates weren't as lucky as Gazza's mum. 4 families torn apart because one cunt decided to drive after a night on the lash up the m4.

Apart from the usual Christmas and New Year time not at all, I think you will find.
The police on most occasions will give you a breathe test if you are involved in an accident 'any time of day' these days ... so if you have had a drink the night before and for example someone drives into the back of you and the police are called you are more than likely to be tested.

Thats why the law is an ass ... I stated earlier I have passed on three pints when I know another guy who failed on one-and-a-half was he pissed? was I sober? The machine says he wasn't and I was.

In Scandinavia you just cannot drink and drive, and I believe it is only about 1/2 a pint tolerance if you are tested in the morning.
Their penalties are also more servere than in Britain for those caught.

When I was a lad I'd often have 2 or 3 pints after playing football on a Sunday, simply because everyone else was, then drive home after.  I also once drove hammered to go get food.  At the time I thought this was fine(apart from the time I was hammered, I wasn't thinking at all), now when I look back I can't believe I did it.  

Saying you are fine after 3 pints or whatever is absolute shite.  One pint will slow your reaction times, whether you can feel it or not.  These days if I have one it's at least an hour before I drive anywhere.  The amount of grown men I know who drink drive and think nothing of it is frightening to be honest, and I have a friend who is in prison for killing his passenger while drunk.

I don't want to let myself off the hook by saying it's more acceptable to have grown out of it by the time you're twenty say(youth is no excuse, I was still a complete twat), but if you are a grown man still doing it then you're lacking in self-control and conscience as a human being.

I think Gazza makes a valid point, but it would be interesting to hear what his feelings on breaking the speed limit are and whether he feels as strongly.

Was it you on the speeding thread who stated that speeding is not seen in the eyes of most as being wrong compared with drink driving or something along those lines.

More people are killed on the roads through speed than anything else. I wonder how many could state hand on heart that they have never broken the speed limit.

As Gazza was stating, driving a car illegally is like carrying a knife with you, your car is a lethal weapon.

Your right on the weapon thing Dell, I think people take there cars for granted somewhat. When you consider the mass and speed that these big metal boxes zoom about, and the amount of damage you could do with one, it's pretty amazing how few restrictions there are.

It was in this thread Dell. I think either one could be worse than the other, it's a matter of how the situation occurred which could prove how dangerous it was.

As Amir points out, you have some alcohol your reactions are impaired. You speed, you have less time to react.

I think campaigns with speeding and harsher penalties will come into play in the not too distant future, I really do.

Sorry Dell thats total shit.  Do you have any stats to back that up?  

The biggest cause of fatal accidents is human error (such fiddling with the stereo or failing to look right at a juction) and always will be. people are fallable. If everyone in ther country drove at the limit or lower thousands would still die each year.

Speed kills slogans were on the tele - with the words something like - 'more people are killed on the road through speed than anything else, KILL YOUR SPEED it went something like that'.
Apart from that, no I have no hard facts just talking my normal bollocks.

oh right. The telly.  nice.  :D

I suppose it depends on spin and statistics though. At what point is speed counted as being the main factor in a crash, where someone is over the speed limit?  or where they were travelling under the limit but going too fast for icey conditions for example?

There is also the factor that speed may have not been the cause of the crash, but if the person was going to slower when the crash happened, there would have been less fatalities.

It's for damage control as much as accident prevention.

Like that ace advert where the dead little girl goes backwards.

Yeah, that car fucks her up good and proper.

That'll learn her the green cross code wont it?

Any speed can kill im afraid.

Ive been to incidents where people have crashed at 30 and they have received the same injuries as someone who has crashed at 70 believe it or not.

You could argue that speed is the cause of every crash, as if all parties were doing 0mph there presumably couldn't be a crash.

I say we just build a monorail and do away with cars in Swindon.

Monorail monorail monorail monorail.

I'd say ban all stupid old women who's reaction times and motor skills are slower than a 6 pint 25 year old male - maybe. Anybody give me a lift to the Steam?

There was old women who I used to live near that didn't ever change out of first gear. You could hear her car coming from miles away with the engine screaming.

maybe she thought it was an auto box?

It's all about impact speeds not the speed of the car.

When I went on my speeding course they explained that there are no where near as many fatal crashes on motorways because all the cars are travelling at round about 70-80 mph so the impact speeds are low.

On rural roads, you get dicks doing 70-80 mph and poor Mrs Smith coming home from work doing 40-50 gets smacked into.

Mono.....D'oh!

its simple laws of momentum really isn't it. two cars traveling at similar speeds in the same direction isn't going to have a big impact

Correct.

Low impact speed.

How fast do them fuck off motorway bridges travel then? Or the central reservation?

 :D

0mph which means the impact speed is 70. That's less than 2 cars hitting on a rural road at 36mph.