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We are hitting £123.9 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying £2.00 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain   day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't  
continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,whoever
thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us  to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take  aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place
not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we  consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the  price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not
purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.


If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it  to  at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at  least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached  over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and
pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and  not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us  sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt,
all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the  next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes
sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE   RANGE  

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your  petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e.  boycott BP and Esso

Original Sender: [email protected]

It's not going to work. End of argument.

And 69p per litre? You are joking right?!

We are hitting £123.9 a litre in some areas now

The petrol company's obscene profits come from elsewhere.

My old man was telling me years ago when people protested it simply resulted in the prices going up again, as if to prove a point!

Simple law of supply and demand. If no-one buys from X and Y, then more people will be buying from A and B. As the demand increases, A and B put their prices up. And to rub salt into the wound, A and B likely do not have the supply to meet the demand so have to buy in oil from X and Y's refinery. So you end up paying more AND increasing X and Y's profits.

Oh, and the original post is just a variant of a widely known chain mail that's been doing the rounds since about 2000:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp

And there's even a "boycott women who don't dress revealingly enough" variant. Which is equally likely to succeed.

http://www.all-lies.com/legends/protest/gaswar.shtml

I love the way that people who are ususally enthusiastic supporters of the free market, suddenly turn when the impact of supply and demand takes a bit out of their disposable income.

It's capitalism I'm afraid. It's always worked like this and always will. You're looking at a constantly diminishing resource that's becoming more and more difficult to find and extract. Add to that the markets natural tendency toward monopoly, particularly in fields with major barriers to market entry like the oil industry, which leads to a small number of suppliers who can ruthlessly exploit fluctuations in global prices to smuggle in increases in profit.

So why the hell are you suprised that this stuff is getting more expensive?

Some of you people have to make up your minds. Either the free market is the best way to control the supply of goods and services to market or it isn't. You might not always agree with my politics but at least I'm fucking consistent

I love the way that people who are ususally enthusiastic supporters of the free market, suddenly turn when the impact of supply and demand takes a bit out of their disposable income.

It's capitalism I'm afraid. It's always worked like this and always will. You're looking at a constantly diminishing resource that's becoming more and more difficult to find and extract. Add to that the markets natural tendency toward monopoly, particularly in fields with major barriers to market entry like the oil industry, which leads to a small number of suppliers who can ruthlessly exploit fluctuations in global prices to smuggle in increases in profit.

So why the hell are you suprised that this stuff is getting more expensive?

Some of you people have to make up your minds. Either the free market is the best way to control the supply of goods and services to market or it isn't. You might not always agree with my politics but at least I'm fucking consistent

And whys that? Because our wonderful socialist goverment has spent far far too much money and desperatly needs the tax income. Despite increasing the tax burden on an average working man by an enormous amount in the last 12 years, with a negligible improvement on anything.

Its a way of life, if you dont like it go on public transport.

I fill up about twice a week at £70 a pop, I do not like it but I cant change it

Hey Don and Herthab.

Brilliant counter arguments. Very incisive. You should both be on question time.

No disrespect Ash, but that post sums up the Great British public to a tee.

Well you are on a Football Forum i suggest if it is good counter arguments you want then you should get on question time.

Every thursday :oops:

 :shock: And I thought I was sad!

FWIW, I'd be inclined to say both Lumps and Colin are right - while the rise may be down to market forces, the fact it hurts so much is because petrol prices are so high in the first place which is due to the huge amount of tax on petrol in this country. But that's not uniquely down to the current government although whichever government is in power is going to get blamed for it (and rightly so - they could change it if they wanted to). And to describe New Labour as in any way "socialist" is simply laughable.

Oh you are  :D

I tried to get tickets for bristol the other week and they did not even reply believe me that dimblebollox got a abusive email

Fucking hell how did this thread go from complaining about Petrol Prices to Question Time.....I blame Paul D for his reasoned explanations  :soapy tit wank:

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.

What like the 10p tax band thing? Massively redistributive that wasn't it? Well, from the working poor to the middle classes it was. Tax and spend they may be, but they are not and never have been socialist.

For example a lad of 14 who is bottom of every class could be given the chance to work as a plumber gaining two years experience instead of  failing every exam not qualifying for college and then doing fuckall with his life because he has constantly been told he is not good enough at something.

There are already initiatives in place where kids can go and work 1, 2, 3 or 4 days a week and go into school for the rest. The school then monitors them and makes sure it is working out ok for them, and it gives them some sort of chance to get qualifications at the same time. Even if it is just a small number of scraped GCSEs, it might help in future.

Yes they dropped a giant election losing bollock there, that frankly made no sense at all - but they've not gone after the working classes for the last 10 years have they?  

Fair enough - maybe socailist is the wrong word. I'm struggling to know what the right one is. Wankers?

Taxing the higher paid just doesn't work, as the high rate tax payers can get around paying 40p in the pound.  Contributing to pensions for example.  There are ways of mitigating tax, and the rich can pay the people to find ways of doing so.

I wanted to make a point to the education minister

I believe that you can judge a teenager’s potential between the ages of 14- 16 yrs old so why would it not be beneficial for kids of this age to be doing 2 days a week employment for a company. For example a lad of 14 who is bottom of every class could be given the chance to work as a plumber gaining two years experience instead of  failing every exam not qualifying for college and then doing fuckall with his life because he has constantly been told he is not good enough at something.

If you tell people from an early age that they are not as good as other people all the time 9/10 of them will end up doing fuckall with their lives

(I would not have sworn if david had asked me though)

And Bushey stop being so immature

Being serious though the problem was I did not know what I wanted to do and by the time I had left school I just went from warehouse to warehouse (all agency shit)

If I had some proper work experience behind me then when I turned 16 I may have had a goal in life

Don’t get me wrong some people are happy doing that and absolutely love doing the job I know people who are working at Smith’s ,Woolworths warehouse and have done for over 20 years and they love it but a lot of them were probably forced into those jobs due to Stupid Gcse grades which have no relevance to what you do when you leave school.

On the flip side that irks me a bit... I'm a bright lad but I'm not especially gifted and I had to work my nuts off all the A's I got, so it fucks me off when people who didn't do as well try and argue they're "stupid" or irrelevant or all the rest of it.

Of course they're relevent, they dictate if you can go into further education, what courses you do if you go into it, what exams you take and thus in turn what you can do at uni, which uni you can go to.

I was an Oxbridge candidate 3 years ago mate- but I got my personal life into a mess and I threw that all away, so I know what I'm on about... and ended up working where I am now, which is fine and I've made a decent fist of it - but now I'm going back to uni in September I really regret not getting the A-level grades I should've done, I never did myself justice for my last 18 months in 6th form and now my prospects will never be quite what they were. So I have to disagree... exams and grades aren't stupid.

I know what your saying mate, my english teacher made my maths teacher hold me back instead of letting me do what I was good at (numbers) fucking slut

being serious, they should introduice working methods/experience into schools

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.  Yeah, Labour have changed, yeah, they have moved to the centre ground a lot. We all know they had to because they were a fucking unelectable joke. But the still are the party of tax and spend, tax and spend, the party of big goverment.  I'd be less fucked off with them if the country was in a better state for all the extra money they take off me.

Well, BB, your english teacher didn't do much for your spelling!! :wink:

Taxing the higher paid just doesn't work, as the high rate tax payers can get around paying 40p in the pound.  Contributing to pensions for example.  There are ways of mitigating tax, and the rich can pay the people to find ways of doing so.

That is what I am trying to say Dave , tell me what grades are relevant though at school Maths yes of course but that was my poorest grade by a mile I now work in finance so was that relevant? English what the fuck has Shakespear got to do with me getting a job?

I understand that grades are relevant to get onto certain courses that is fine but it is what your are tested on I don’t understand the relevance of

Getting really deep, does anything really matter - its up to the kid to make what they want from the world.

Educations been fucked up since the 60's really hasn't it. Abolishing the grammar, technical and the other kind (i forgot what it was called) in favour of the flat rate comprehensive schools we have now benefit no-one. The academically gifted are held back by those not, and those more suited to vocational type course are fecked by the curriculum. We should go back to the way it was in the 50's, but show the technichal schools a bit more respect. This happens a bit in higher education in swindon at the moment: new college does A-levels, and swindon college is more technically based. It needs to be more widespread though to have any great effect.

Educations been fucked up since the 60's really hasn't it. Abolishing the grammar, technical and the other kind (i forgot what it was called) in favour of the flat rate comprehensive schools we have now benefit no-one. The academically gifted are held back by those not, and those more suited to vocational type course are fecked by the curriculum. We should go back to the way it was in the 50's, but show the technichal schools a bit more respect. This happens a bit in higher education in swindon at the moment: new college does A-levels, and swindon college is more technically based. It needs to be more widespread though to have any great effect.

Ah ronnie, I can spell just type far too quickly.  Didn't I write a rather good email or two to your company bosses praising you but at the same time slating them? The english on that was perfect.