Thetownend.com

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7095875.stm

might as well give them guns!

To be fair he looks like a heart attack in a pitta with extra donner and chilli sauce.

It’s also hard to sympathise when he has acted like a complete and utter aggressive tosser at an immigration desk.

If you didn't speak the native language and were being held by police, wouldn't you be a little scared and upset?

Tasers should be banned IMHO.

If he didn't speak the lingo what was he doing moving to another country? But that’s another topic altogether.  


Golden rule.  You don't ever, ever get aggressive with customs or immigration ever.  If you are emigrating to a new country even with a visa these are the blokes that have the final say on your entry.  Even if you’re confused if you kick off especially in the paranoid state of the world and airports at the whole you deserve everything you get in my opinion.

Tasers are generally safe enough if used with discretion and care.  You look at the stats on the deaths in the US and they’re generally to those who are as high as a kite on crack or have a heart that’s about to pop anyway.

Ok fair enough, but say if your father, who has a heart condition was tasered and it killed him.

How would you feel then?

Pretty bad, but then if your dad had a week heart and died, say, at a footy match because of the excitement you wouldn't say ban football...

Hungry.

I'd have to get the fava beans on sharpish.  Seriously though if he was a walking time bomb anyway and acted aggressively like that to the extent where he had to be restrained with a Taser then you can’t really scream blue blooded murder.

Who is to say that being physically restrained wouldn’t have pushed the sweaty Pole off the edge anyway?

Completely with Dazzza on this. I'd also add "trying to be a smart ass "or "cracking jokes" to the list of noes.

What do you suggest as an alternative then Ralphy? Feather dusters? The only other option is firearms and it will be a sad day when the the ordinary british bobby has to carry a gun

It's all about punishment fitting the crime surely?

The bloke got a bit lairy, does that justify his death?

no, but they didnt deliberatly kill him

I was commenting on the people that have said it was his own fault and he asked for it, not the poor bastard who accidently killed him.

No, no it doesn't but in a busy airport someone behaving even slightly wierd arrouses suspicion - throwing tables around is bound to get the security a little jumpy - tasers are better than chasing round the airport scaring the sh1t out of other folks.

The fella certainly didn't deserve to die but he was asking for trouble.

He was playing up in an airport, Didnt speak english and was acting like a twat.How were they to know that the bloke had a heart condition? If he was in possesion of a bomb and had activated it the public would have asked why the officers didnt react quickly enough .

I would have thought that if someone was carrying a bomb, the last thing they'd do would be to act like a twat, more likely to try and remain inconspicuous.

Tasers are being suggested in this country as a means of contolling people by the Police. If someone went out on a Friday night, got pissed up and started trouble, the Police could use a taser to take him out. If he had a heart condition they could kill him.

Don't know about you, but I think that's a bit extreme.............

But is it acceptable for a police officer to get twatted by some drunken idiot or stabbed by someone carrying a knife? Tasers are already being used by trained armed response officers in this country and there is no plan to supply them to all officers.Simple thing is dont act like a twat .

isn't the answer simple.

don't be a dick or brake the law and you wont get tasered?!!

So you have never embarrassed yourself and done anything that you regret? You've never gone out, got pissed, made a fool of yourself and regretted it the next day?

I know I have..................

Of course it's not acceptable for Police to be attacked, I just think that it's a little ott to accept that someone can be killed when all they did was go off on one.

:nod:  :thumbs:

Wish we were all as perfect as you two :roll:

it is hard sometimes  :D

Seriously though, if you act like a twat and provoke the police into action the outcome wont be nice.
Ok this guy seems to be a one off where unfortunaitly he got killed by a taser but if he had just relaxed and calmed down the police wouldn't have had to use it.

it's not about being perfect it's about respecting the law and those who try to uphold it

Magicroundabout is never wrong, just remember that kids.  :D  :wink:

Can't beat a bit of heated debate :D

agreed.
it keeps the day interesting  8)

did anyone actually read the whole article or did you just have a look at the cliffnotes?

The problem is with giving people like coppers, immagration officials, superhero's etc access to stuff like Tasers is that they'll use them more than they need to. I'm pretty sure that an confused, frightened and angry foreigner is something that these officials had to cope with before they were given super Taser powers.

Anyway, isn't the ability to strike people down with lightening reserved for the gods? Make much more sense to use tranquilliser darts. Give the angry offender a nice pleasant calm down.

I just read the thread and felt like a bit of banter.

Was it interesting?

I read it.

I read it all...

yeah. you can see the full video here] (http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=99f7a932-9efc-4f8d-9732-0157651dd532&k=32890#). i couldn't stomach watching it all but he didn't look as if he was likely to cause anyone much trouble.

reading the beeb article suggests that security were rather heavyhanded - no attempt to find a translator to talk to him, he was waiting to meet his mother in baggage collection. if you were in a foreign country being filmed by strangers and with staring at you, i'd like to see how you'd react.

ben's right as well, what would they have done if they didn't have tasers?

i wouldn't start throwing furniture around thats for sure.
i'd find a phone and ring someone. that someone being the person i was going to meet.

Used a lassoo?  

It does say it looked like he picked up a stapler and he was throwing things around so he may well have hurt somebody - I haven't watched it at all 'cause I'm 'at work'

read the article. he'd been waiting there for ten hours, if he had a mobile phone on him do you not think he might have already done that?

i didn't watch that far, the first half of the video he just wanders around holding a small folding table.

totally agree that throwing stuff around was a stupid thing to do but is it not fair to say that the police/airport security could have dealt with it a little less agressively?

without doubt they were heavy handed as one sting would have been more than sufficient( if needed at all), the trouble is that Yanks and Canadians issue Tasers and Firearms to all officers and not all officers are suitable to carry them.The British firearms teams are carefully selected for their calmness and passive nature and the actual course sorts the wheat fron the chaff

Looks like the guy had a panic attack and went a but delirious. He was always going to get restrained acting like he did, but the police didn't try and calm the situation down.

The British police are prone to screw up. Taking the Jean Charles de Menezez incident for example.

They tazered him once, which i can sort of agree with cause he was being a dick. But if hes on the floor having convulsions, then why the hell tazer him again?!

Who was wearing a rucksack,on the underground, and failed to stop running when instructed to by the police.A sad incident but he would be alive today if he had listened and done what he was told.

I thought the new official report says he was sitting on a seat next to a lady in the underground train doing absolutely nothing wrong when he was shot in front of the other passenger!!!

Actually Fogster, I watched all the stuff a couple of weeks ago about the inquest, transpires he was calmly sitting down on a train when asked to have a word with someone when he was brutally taken out.

All the stuff they said at the start about him running etc. seems to be complete fabrication.

Was a disgrace what happened - they also doctered photos of him to make him look more like the guy they were actually after so they say.

Fair enough, i stand corrected. Great debate though chaps! keep it going

No worries my man - if I hadn't happened to be in front of the tv at the right time I'd still think it was how they said in the first place, was really quite shocking...

as my old football coach used to say if in doubt kick it out!

What is not in doubt , I believe, is that he was here illegally, having outstayed a student visa

Like Gerald  ?

Got the right result in the end then!  :D

the bloke looked confused and agitated to me.was the tazer really needed?
that said, its not as if they meant for him to die.

it goes without saying that it wasn't intentional. i just think it's a fine line between police using unneccesary force and whether tasers really are a safe alternative to carrying firearms?

i quite like the idea of police walking around firing tranquiliser darts out of little pipes.

interesting...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7096456.stm

It's his own fault isn't it?

I mean, going on a bus when you're diabetic is asking for trouble.

He could have been a terrorist with a bomb or something...................

not that the police like to judge people by race......

If police were given tazers you'd see them at nearly every football match. Fucking stupid.

indeed dave, can you imagine what that'd be like? you'd have half the crowd fucking breakdancing

you know it will happen though. At least with batons you can guage how badly its going to effect someone. If your going around giving people electric shocks though you don't know about a heart or any other condition.

you know it will happen though. At least with batons you can guage how badly its going to effect someone. If your going around giving people electric shocks though you don't know about a heart or any other condition.

you know it will happen though. At least with batons you can guage how badly its going to effect someone. If your going around giving people electric shocks though you don't know about a heart or any other condition.

Yeah, maybe the police thought he was ringing the 'My bomb won't detonate 24 hour helpline.' After all he'd been there for 10 hours and couldn't speak English, what else were the police to think other than his bomb wasn't working. It was obvious that he was getting agitated because he'd been listening to terrorist jazz hold music for so long.

This is what we need...

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/05/pink_baby_seal_a_tazer.html

Pink baby seal a tazer

http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/5/seal-tazer.jpg

If you cant take a Taser shot you shouldnt be in this country.

 :D thats the best post youve done in ages.

Thanks for your input..Comedy genius

That should reduce the queues at Immigration then. Might cut down our carbon footprint by reducing the number of people going on holiday as well.

Does anybody else have a built in mistrust for coppers? I just can't imagine the sort of people who'd want to become a police offer being anything other that a power hungry twat.

It's not really one of those jobs where you can "make a difference", you'd be better off being a social worker or a teacher or something. I suppose you don't need as many qualifications to be a copper. Is that why people do it, low qualifications relatively high pay? I just can't see why someone would decide that they want to police other people, and not be someone I'd automatically dislike.

football stewards are the same just even less intellegent, the bunch of cunts

I did until I knew a few.  One of them is indeed a power hungry twat and sails that close to the wind he will be caught out but the other lads I know went in it for the career and pay.

Of course it is a job where you can make a difference.You get to beat up pissed up layabouts who shit in alley-ways.

you're very defensive of your missus. does she threaten to arrest you if you don't defend the police?  :D

Police Women are the worst. Never met one who doesn't seem to think they've got something to prove. Yeah your proving that you're a bitch, whore.

There was a point in there, admittedly expecting you to spot it was maybe a little over ambitious on my part. The fact that he'd been at the airport for 10 hours would suggest that if he was carrying a bomb, he would have perhaps cosidered detonating it in that time. I'm no expert on how to commit acts of terror, but I would also assume that it would have been his aim to cause as much carnage as possible. With this in mind it would seem odd that he would draw attention to himself by acting aggressively so people steered well clear of him. It seems that it's too easy to use terrorism as an excuse to justify heavy handed police tactics. I'm sure there must be some alternative method to subdue someone that could possibly be carrying a knife or a gun. If he had pulled a weapon on them then fair enough taserize his ass, but as far as I can see all he did was reach for a stapler. I've messed about with staple guns in my time, but I'll certainly be thinking twice if it means I'll be surrounded by armed police hellbent on shoving 50,000 volts up my khyber.

Thanks Spacey :D

Nice try Ben

She tasers me :)

you kinky cunt :D