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For those not making the trip tomorrow.

For those who are. Dont stand at the back you cant see the pitch with the scoreboard in the way if you havent been there before.

I think we will take a few up, with people just being paid and it not being too long  a journey compared to some last season. Ground and the area is a shit hole though.

COME ON YOU REDS!!!!!

i swear i stood at the back last time and could see fine.

coldest ground in the world though, i swear!

i aint been there since the away end was an open terrace.

oldham is colder

I'll take a coat then

i don't get paid until 31st  :evil:

but i'm going tomorrow yay!

crappy crappy crap, i have to be up in 6 hours to go to this. bloody works leaving do's.

oops, think i'm still pissed. enjoy the game those of you who are coming.

the rest of you enjoy the delights of Brunel / World :o

I'm going to make a score prediction for the first time in ages and say we'll win 3-1.

YOOOOOOOOOOOUUU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDS!

i dreamt we won 7-0.

I've just heard 5 live play a post match interview with the PV assistant manager, where he absolutely slates the team, ending with a recommendation that they all get themselves down the local technical college and get themselves on a brick laying course or something.

I don't think their season is going too well.

We'll lose 2-0 today....trust me

Agreed!!  I believe Oldham is the highest ground above sea level in the entire league, and when the wind blows you bloody well know it!

If we lose today I might cry

Their home record is currently W1 D1 L4 F5 A8
They are second bottom, only above Bournemouth on goal difference

A draw wouldn't be the end of the world as an away point is always a good point, but we should be looking for all 3 today

2-1 to the Town. We'll make hard work of it by going 2 up and conceding half way the second half, but hold on. Rodgers'll score for them, Cox and Roberts for us.

Oldham is colder, but the Hawthorns is higher (and therefore the highest).

I'll get me anorak.

I reckon 2-1 Swindon. Cox and Easton

3 - 0 for me. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS!

with paynter scoring first is 90-1 on 365

i really can't see us getting beat this afternoon.

is there any news on barry corr? someone said he had back-knack again.

0-0 Bore draw.

Phil smith injured Brez in goal.

Hoping for a 1-0 or 2-0 win,   but feaing a defeat today

The title of the thread has jinxed it 1:1 if we are lucky.  

Amy Lewis on Radio Swindon sounds like a nice girl.

2-1 win, scrappy.

I reckon 3-1 Swindon, but i could be wrong.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Wants to play at a higher level my arse. Money makes the world go around isn't that right Mr Mooney.

I can feel a thrashing in my water. I think we're gonna tear them apart and score at least 5.  8)

Team line up:

Peter Brezovan
Miguel Comminges
Jerel Ifil
Hasney Aljofree
Andrew Nicholas
Jon-Paul McGovern
Craig Easton
Lee Peacock
Sofiene Zaaboub
Billy Paynter
Simon Cox

Are we winning yet?  :mrgreen:

no.

Nearly 1-0 to port vale

boooooooooorrrrrrrrrriiiiiiinnngggggg

Swindon dominating at the mo

brez is sounding a bit dodgy mind

is their asley westwood the same one off of the end of last season. he was quite handy

yes, same guy

oh arse  :evil:

bugger

Penalty to port vale

what a gip.

bollocks.

sounds like a harsh penalty.

yippeeeeeeeeeeeeee  :mrgreen:

Get In!

YESSSS

YESSSSSS! Super Lee Peacock!!! FUCK YOU PORT VALE!

Wow, that lead can't have been 60 seconds :)

Aaron Brown scores for the gills

So???????

So its 1-1 then. A dodgy Vale penalty and a Cock header.

And the commentary sounds like its coming from the PV bogs

He saved it right?!!

edit: 1-1 then?

haha arthurs my new favourite commentator ever

Good afternoon.

I dont have any friends today.

Is 3.30 to early to drink wine?

arse... Vale have scored

oh ffs u bunch of gimps  :evil:

So for those who can't get Brunel...

Dodgy pen after ball 'hit' Easton's hand. Rodgers scored.
JPM free kick, Peacock heads the edward woodward home
Whitticker scored 2-1 Vale

bastardface

shit, my world commentary just cut out,then when it came back all i could hear were vale fans cheering,didn't sound good.

Cheers, bbc site still says 0-0

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I think you meant to write 'Arthur's a cunt', but a nice try though.

Well according to the BBC it is 0-0 so I'll stick with that I think

We are only losing because we haven't scored more goals than they have.

What the fuck is up with us. Another 1 on 1 saved by Brez

Its Ok.

I'm here now.

i think they're distracted by the helicopter

We are losing to this shit? FFS  :evil:

I wonder whats  happening outside the ground!

We always lose to the crap teams

thats what makes us great  8)

Im here now! Got bored of doing photography work, im meant to be researching some woman who photograph's her kids naked in the woods, and write about the photo's!
I think i'll stick with Swindon commentary and FM2008!
We don't sound too good at the back! Hopefully they'll sort it out! Come on Swindon!

And fucking annoying as well!

WHAT???????????????????

Luggy will be throwing the teapot against the wall at half time.

Sally Mann...google her  :soapy tit wank:
I would advise people not to take photography A-Level as they seem to have an obsession with people being naked in photographs!

ohhhh i dunno, depends whos being photographed....

Are you looking at photography as a career then? Whats the problem with nudity, unless its wrinkly old farts, or men...

Last year it was a 50 year old fat naked woman who pressed herself against clear plastic and photographed herself!
This year it's naked children in woods!!
Come on Swindon! get a goal before half time!

So far the nudity has been old fat women and children which i find a bit creepy!
Yeah i would like to do photography as a career, i was looking at sports photography but i need to get some experience in that first, as i haven't done much yet.

Poxford 0-0 HT against 10 men Merthyr (who are 2 leagues below them)  :soapy tit wank:

just had a call from my mate at the game:

- was never a penalty
- good goal for us
- we had a good first 15, but have been absolutley shite since
- ifils having a mare
- commingues is always out of position
- brezovan is looking dodgy as fook

might go do some history homework, probably more interesting. ho-hum

We'll take this to pm!

Haven't used STFCWorld in a while, music at half-time, what's that all about?!

Has Roberts been dropped for any particular reason?

Its Brunel FM's commitment to outstanding and dedicated STFC coverage  :roll:

Don't know what the deal is with Roberts I'm afraid.

attendance 4013? rubbish

I'm finding the commentary hard to follow. I think I just got used to Ed's style and can't adjust to someone 'new'.

4013 attendance.

booooooorrrrrriiiiiiiiinnngggggggg

only boring people get bored, Dave.

i know  :(

sounds like were still playing shit though

Yeah Dave. Just do something else. I gave up on the game, instead I've had a wank, checked my pay had gone into my bank account (woot beers later), now I think I might smoke a cigarette.

Just chilling out before going to work. The game didn't seem the right way of doing that so I've got Faithless' Greatest Hits on.

double sub, ifil off for collins, roberts on for nicho...

zaaboub gone to left-back

David McGoldrick on for vale

i tried doing history homework, but questioning the rights and wrongs of the suez crisis didn;t seem suitable for a saturday afternoon  8)

nicholas and ifil off
roberts and collins on

they've brought mcboldrick on, whos quite a handy player

COME ON, SORT IT OUT YOU FUCKING CUNTS!!!

Ahem.

God this is boring.

Only boring people get bored Magic.

'mon corr

Big Barry Corr on for Paynter

Am i right in thinking Sam Collins is ex Port Vale as well...

Useless trivia if true.

COME ON YOU REDS!

About 15 mins to save us...C'mon Bazza !!!

correct.

Suez Crisis,............. the end of Britain as a world power.  Eden resigned as p.m.  President Eisenhower later regretted not supporting the British and French by placating the Soviet Union.  


Now what about the f'ing Port Vale crisis?

The beginning of the end of the british empire, and showed just how much we need america.






boooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiinnnnnngggggggggggg

ROgers just went close. This isn't going to be our day  :(

FUCK SAKE. Sort it out town

Why do we always play shite at Vale?

That's why the Port Vale crisis should be discussed.

Salisbury miss a penalty.

Suez crisis - A manufactured war, that used sexed-up dodgy intelligence for justification in the face of public opposition at home, against an independent country of the Middle East, in order to secure British strategic interests.  Hmm sounds familiar!

Surely due to the unwritten rule, we should be raining down on their goal for the last 5 minutes when we're a goal down?

Throwing everything at them?

This ain't gonna be our day.... :cry:

you would think that...

Corr will score!

How long's left?

gillingham are 3 - 2 against Rovers.

about 3 mins

has the board gone up yet ?

Nope

Stopped listening for a while! Sounds like we're in a bit of a mess at the back. Come on Swindon!

Zaaboob - you fucking twat, and lucky bastard.

Liability, IMO.

Stockport has just beaten Franchise 2-0  :D

it's not all bad then

Oxford won 2-1

 :nod:  :nod:

Anyone who wears gloves in August, needs their head testing...

So is our defence a sudden shower of shit just becasuse Brez is in goal?

What do YOU think?

Isn't the action at the wrong end of the pitch.....

cox  :x

Cox just hitting it over. Now game over.

cox over the bar from 8 yards.

And that's your lot. Cunt.

boooooooooooo. lets just hope we dont get some stupid norhten team away in the fa cup

Bollox...Three points dropped.

Coxy, you wanker!

Grrrrr  :twisted:

Don't be so harsh on yourself.

Its true though  :|

fucking shit result that,and one i didn't expect.
didn't listen to it.watched outlaw instead.made the right choice i think

Someone needs to slap Gazzza for the thread title  :box:

Sturrock sounds pissed off.

Fucking shit. We always lose these games. Never mind. We'll be fine if we keep our home form up.

i expected him to be doing cartweels :-))(

Collins is on his way, Ifil crocked.

i'd pay good money to see sturrock attempt a cartwheel

sounds like we have defensive problems though. ifil vincent and williams injured, collins on his way  :|

Pissed with great articulation, Pook will start next home game.

Assuming he is still here.

Does anyone know how long the beast will be out for?  :(

Not even sure what the injury is. Did Sturrock let on?

What a load of cunt. Ref cunt everything cunt.

super big cunt :(

the ref must die, what a fucking homer cunt.

if the crowd shouted he gave it, if the crowd didnt shout....you know what he fucking gave it.....

the penalty was a fucking joke

Handball!

Todays performance was a disgrace with not one single town player coming out with any credibility.

Brez- Very nervous & a liability

Defence-Abysmal!

Peacock-Was he playing?

Sturrock- Tactics very strange in the 2nd half with both JP & Boub appearing to play on the left wing!

No passion

i didn't think peacock or easton were that bad, but the rest of the squad failed to apply themselves to the task at hand.

I thought the Minge wasnt too bad at right back.

why drop your number 1 goalkeeper after back to back clean sheets.

injury.

is that the case? has someone confirmed that.

Smithy walked past the pub at about half 2 and we all looked on very confused.

Yes. Sturrock did. So stop whining you big girl  :D

I thought Peacock and Easton were ok.  Peacs did better than I thought he would after I moaned about him before.

None of them however really turned up today and I agree with Luggy.  Some are way too comfortable.

Tactical subs. No injuries.

That was fucking shocking, team lacked passion and didn't seem to know what the fuck was going on. Minge is not a fucking right back or even a footballer, we need Jack Smith back or a new right back...........

As for the tactics though what the hell was going on, JP was upfront for half of the second half why? JP is a lazy bastard why? JP the appeared to be on the same wing with Roberts for a bit why? Sturrocks tactics are baffling at time and he always leaves substitutions a bit late. Not saying he's shit before someone jumps on this but today he dropped a clanger as the players didn't seem to know where they were playing second half

JP is a lazy bastard, news to me....

that was a fucking joke.

the ref was a total waste of oxygen, i sincerely hope he drops dead - fucking shit cunt. it's criminal that people like him are allowed to referee football matches at a professional level.

nevertheless, 'penalty' decision or not we were still shite.

zaaboub should be taken behind the stratton bank to face a firing squad, the fucking coward white-flag-waving cunt. lazy, disinterested and an absolute disgrace.

ifil looked like he'd gone back in time to the clueless king days, we played with no width, the tactics were simply mind boggling - first half we were getting destroyed down the wings, so we go 4-3-3 and play even more narrowly in the second half? nicholas and comminges looked out of sorts, though that's hardly surprising given the lack of cover they had.

easton and peacock are the only two players who can walk away from today's game with any sense of satisfaction.

consistency is something we desperately lack.

II've always said Zaaboub is rubbish. We also need Williams back as soon as possible, he manages the defence into a decent unit. Aljofree just doesn't.

Go you.

Shit game. Shit ref. Vale had no fans.

It was nice to meet some more of the weirdos that inhabit the TEF though :D

Does anyone now think off the field issues are beginning to take their toll on the first team?

 Only the players....

Well so would you be nervous if you haven't been playing very much. If it wasn't for Brez we would have lost by about 6-1!

And the fans that had a go at Roberts after he had only been on the pitch about 10 mins are a fucking disgrace! What about the players that were out there for the full 90 minutes? Not to mention Coxy when he missed a sitter at the end! They're the ones you should have been getting at, not Robbo! And remember PS is the one that picks the team!  :evil:

Yes STURROCK OUT  :roll:

Sturrock also controls how the team plays. He is the puppet master on the touchline. He needs to go now before our season falls apart.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/gary_stanley_uk/chirac_puppetmaster.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/gary_stanley_uk/chirac_puppetmaster.jpg

I see Comminges got in the NOTW league one team of the day.

And Leeds are now sixth. Fookin hell.

Comminges played ok yesterday.

As you would have seen for your self if you had fucking bothered to go.........

I was busy. And you're still a cunt (but I wouldn't say it to your face).  :D

Birdy said you spent all day wanking while looking at animal porn sites on your laptop?

And yes I am :D

Sounds better than going to Stoke on Trent ffs

Busy my holes.

Your holes are busy and you're posting on an internet forum. Kinky!

You taking me for a kfc or what, I'm shit bored and even thinking of meeting Ben in the pub  :shock:

Lets do KFC and then go to the pub, yeah?

Ace what time? I'll go and wash my hair

Dunno. Anytime from now I guess.

I thought he was crap!

Totally missed a tackle to get booked. At fault for the 2nd goal (as was Brez). Caught out of position loads of times.

Decent going forward, but a liability at the back.

But then, in his defence, he's not a defender.

I hope PS doesn't do an Andy king and try to turn a winger into a full-back, a la Daisy Duke.

Which is why I said 'ok' instead of good. He was nowhere near our worst player though, that award imo is a toss up between Ifil and Zaboub.

When oh when will the zaboub apologists admit that the guy is just plain shit and only played well for us when trying to secure a deal.

You're just bitter because he turned you down.

i admitted it yesterday. he was a fucking disgrace.

toni - roberts constantly went for glory when he came on yesterday, selfish prick. he didn't get as much stick as sofi did...

.....even the Port Vale fans didnt think it was a fucking penalty.

If the ref wasnt the star man in the NotW team of the week, there is something seriously wrong.

From where i was stood he was getting more stick than anybody else out there.

Who else thought those bints outside the pub were an embarrassment?

I was more embarrassed by them that were thrown out of the ground.

probably the same ones?

Depends who they were that you saw.

btw cox was "offside" (somehow) for that sitter

have the league brought out a new rulebook?

Embarassed was an understatement.

Made complete idiots of themselves - however some blokes prob got an easy lay from them.

Falling over in the road is not a good look for anyone let alone a girl who looked like she'd been dragged through a bush backwards.

The 2 people who got thrown out were having a beer in teh ground, the youngest one is a nice lad and had gone up on the bus on his own.

a discrace? so is not putting in effort.  Fans pay good money and travel a long way and are entitled to an opinion.  He doesnt have to listen to it, just like he choose to ignore comments made at teh services on the way home (not by me I will add)

The ref was a joke, honestly do not understand why he gave a penalty.

Gutted

Ref was completely influenced by the home fans - but having said that, we did not deserve anything from the game anyway.

What kind of team equalises one minute after going behind to a shit penalty, and then gives up trying again? Most teams would be fired up after that ... but not our shower yesterday.

Bumped into Hasney at the services on the way home, and at least he had the balls to come over to us and admit they were shit (in his eyes especially in the first half). Roberts just kept his distance and went over to the cash machine!

There was not one player that should automatically feel they have a starting place against Doncaster on that showing - even Brez was making mistakes - slipping over, and also although the second goal was Comminges mistake ... it was scored in at the near post which is not a place a keeper playing well should be beaten.

Crap ground, crap town, crap game, crap traffic around the ground ... only good bit was May Street Chippy (remembered from previous trips)!

mav can you blame brez for slipping over? seems a bit harsh dude!

  Think you have to ask yourself why?  I didn't see a large orange bed sheet on display.....that's usually enough to account for a dire performance.

   Maybe it was the absence of any chance of a demo....we played well enough last week when they knew one there was to be one.

  Or perhaps they just haven't been paid again....and anyone who can be will be shipped out, hence sticking Brez into the shop window.

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Exactly what we said when he started!

I also said that, but apparently Phil Smith was injured!

 Yeah, but did you shout it out ilike BB?

Harsh if it had been just the once - he seemed low on confidence to me - perhaps understandably.

her and her mate were embarrassing, she could have been run over on another day. i'm not sure what made her decide to wear a shoelace for pants on a day when she was going to be falling over every two minutes. euuuggghhhhh.

Thigh injury

Failed a fitness test at 11.30 am

Total poor performance - my first away game of the season and I have to put up with that crap...maybe the playersshould refund the ticket price !!

I don't think anyone came out with any credit, Brez was awful and there was no communication, we gave them too much space out wide and failed to close them down or deal with the long balls they played at times.

Sofi is not a left back full stop and needs to realise that playing on the wing means sometimes you should try and take your man on and cross the ball not look lost, Cox - he should have buried that late chance it would have been easier.

I would say that was the worst performance since Sturrock has been here and they need to have a good kick up the arse as they obviously thought they could turn up and not play and get 3pts.

I don't pay good money to watch them not even try.

Glad I didn't go now, after reading this thread.

So you're the bad luck talisman then?

Even if cox had buried that last chance it wouldn't have counted as the flag had already gone up for offside......

Was it worse than Barnet away? :shock:

Or Stockport away?

My first away game of the season and it was dire,we were awful,by far the worse i've seen us play this season.Fair play to Vale though who took advantage of it.

i think easton and peacock can feel at least a little satisfied with their performance.

agree about brez being beaten on his near post though, he looked rusty

I have said I will have to look at the league table and what is hanging on the game before  I go to my next away game...just incase I am a bad omen  :oops:  :soapy tit wank:

I'm pretty gald I didn't go. Chubbs seemed mighty pissed off when I saw him on Saturday night.

What do you expect when he's had flu all week!!!!!!

Whisper it quietly....... Brezovan isnt the same player.

He was nervy and at fault for 2 goals against Chetenham in the JPT as well

Well would you be the same player after breaking your arm?!!!!!!

Still got the same arm hasnt he?

Yes. Plenty of players have serious injuries and come back at the same standard as before. Especially keepers as they dont have to run

Exactly Colin. I have to say I dont really think Brez would cut it anyway, I much prefer Smith.

in that case he shouldn't be playing professional football anymore.

if he's not fit or capable of playing to a sufficient standard then what's the point?

Didnt anyone else think teh striker did a hell of a shot, he deserved the goal

Of course Brez is rusty. Given a run in the side I think he will come good.

Flipping heck I'd hate to be a footballer.  One minute you're flavour of the month, a saviour, then you're banished to the slag heap.

Brezovan's not finished by a long way.  Keep the faith.

he needs games under his belt, I wouldn't drop Phil Smith on his current form though

exactly!

he's rusty, out of touch and a bit like a batsman he needs to get his eye in. he was beaten on his near post which is a cardinal sin for any goalkeeper, whether you're bart griemink or iker casillas.

he will come good and i don't the shop window theory.

But he's trained every day for months and played reserve games.  I'm not claiming he's become the new Jimmy Glass overnight, but of all positions on the pitch, its surely easier to get match fit playing in goal?  

I've nothing against the bloke, I hope he quickly gets back to his form of last season, trouble is we've not seen anything even close to that so far.

I hope Brez will come good and it's just 'ring rust' (Oo err!)

However, I would rather he went out on loan to get match fit, as opposed to costing us games...............

it's not match fitness though is it?

if you were off work for the best part of a year and got thrown in at the deep end at short notice, you'd probably struggle a bit

Buts he's been in training since the start of July (??) Its not like he turned up at the club for the 1st time in months on Friday (having been sat in his pants watching porn for 12 months) and got told he was playing is it?

He's not been very good this season is my point, and we cant really afford to be carrying a keeper hoping he gets good again. He needs to improve. Maybe he should paint a picture of himself having a great game like that fella in heros in the hope it comes true

training != match

 :?:  :shrug:

TBH i think brez is getting stick for his performance against

When he sliped in the opening minutes he did fantasticaly well to recover and pull off a great save

The penalty, well he cant save em all

The seconds goal, slack defending from comminges, let the PV player past, ok you'd expect Brez to save but its not entirley his fault.

Though he made some good save in the match, oh wait, no he didint save them, after all if the ref gave us a goal kick, brez obviously didint touch the ball

Smith > Brez on current form, at this precise moment, therefore if Smith is fit, he should be playing.

I don't understand why everyone was saying it was a harsh penalty, saw it on SSN last night and looked pretty stone-wall to me!

If you throw yourself to the ground with your arm in the air and you block the goal-bound shot it's handball, deliberate or otherwise.

having seem the virgin highlights its no way a pen, or brez's fault with the second goal.

none of the vale players or fans even appealed for the penalty, the linesman didn't see it either.

haven't seen it yet myself but it looked accidental to me...

Same as.

Wonder if Brez will be dropped next game?

More a case of Smith deserving his place than Brez being dropped surely?

Sorry, Dave, but handball has to be deliberate, doesn't matter where on the field it is, or where the ball may have been going.

Exactly my point but Swindon fans are so fucking fickle it angers me!
I suppose now Paul Sturrock has said in his update today that Robbo has not been at his best all the fans are gonna get on his case and suggest PS ships him out! - The fans do fucking everything PS says and agree with everything he says! If he was to say the sky was green the fans would believe it!

And to say Smith is better than Brezovan is a fucking joke! Brezovan is a premiership goalkeeper, Smith is league one at best! And i feel sure if Brezovan had have been in goal half of these goals gone against us, where Smith has been in goal, Brezovan would have saved! Its not Brezovan costing us games, it's Smith but because PS said Smith is the better goalkeeper - oh it must be true! Grow up for fuck sake!  :evil:

i think it's a pen. his hands were outside the boundary of his natural body shape, and deflected a goal bound shot.

anyway, we were shite. let's move on to the next game.

I always thought the whole intentional / unintentional thing was a bit of a myth. And it's handball whatever, although obviously ref's should use a bit of common sense.


Fuck knows though. I ain't no ref.

Can't be bothered to go to the other posts so im sorry if this has already been said but Brezovan didn't train at all last week as he had the flu, and was still recovering from it on Saturday!

It's the only rule that has intent in it, but it must be intentional...therefore the decision was bollocks.  If Brez had saved it form that distance we'd have been out of our seats applauding him.  It was not handball, should not have been a penalty, ref was a twat, we were shite, Vale Park is always colder than it should be too.

If the statement about Brez having a cold/not training is true then I for one feel less concerned about his performance.

Train hard this week, and win the next one...then we're back on track.

I haven't seen the goal and was more speaking generally. Didn't know the actual rule had a reference to intent in it. Fair Play. I'd still say it's more of a responsibility of the defenders to keep their arms out the way than anything else though.

I'm convinced noone has a clue about the handball rule - going back to Everton in the cup in 1997 - ball blasted against Culverhouse absolutely no chance of getting out of the way of it - end result a penalty to Everton and Culverhouse sent off - all in the first fucking minute  :evil: I still haven't forgotten that

I was at that game  8)

i think Easton handball was self-defence as it was going to smack him straight between the eyes. i have seen it a couple of times now it did hit him low on the arm.

......and how many times have you seen Brez play exactly? He's only played a grand total of 18 games for us.

He's only really played a handfull of games for us and this season he's conceeded in all his games and looked dodgy - Charlton, Cheltenham and Port Vale.

Phil Smith on the other hand has played 47 games for us, and in the large majority of them he has been solid.

He's had the odd dodgy game here and there, but he hasnt made many, if any cock ups and he hasnt looked dodgy for more than maybe 20 minutes at a push.

Smith right now is our number one and is the better keeper, because he's got the shirt and he is consistent. You know what you're going to get with Phil.

Brezovan so far has looked brilliant or shit, he so far in his limited Town career hasnt put in the same consistency as Phil Smith has.

Thats why Phil is our number 1.

The rule is titled "Deliberate handball" for fucks sake!  :D

I don't think whoever played in goal was particularly relevent to this game.

Sorry. I haven't got around to reading the rule book for a while.

Cheers r4e, always nice to be right  :\/  (especially when it happens so infrequently  :oops: )