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the more i read and hear sturrock speak, the more i think he has lost the dressing room.
something clearly isn't right and i'm worried that our season is going to fall apart.
sturrock was highly succesful at plymouth and is also loved be the fans of sheff wednesday but,he didn't last 5 minuites at southampton, and there was talk of player unrest whilst he was there.for me i think we have to back him for now as he is a proven manager, but if we fail to get promoted it will be a major failure.
personally, if i were a player i'd want to prove sturrock wrong if he had criticised me.and i dont think all the players are not with him.its just i feel something isn't right and i cant figure it out.
thoughts people?...

i'm still optimistic we can get promoted but all the players need to be pulling in the same direction, as the clubs on a roll are doing so.

Exactly. I think most of us would do the same. Just seems our squad is littered with decent, yet confidence prone players who don't seem to have any fight in them if things go against us.

If we don't go up then hopefully wasters like Nicholas, Brown, Roberts etc are all told to sod off and we get some runners in, even if  less talented.

The fans were calling for someone with a no nonsense attitude prior to this season. I think now we've got him, it's scaring people a little bit.

I think given time, Sturrock will stamp out the laziness and diva attitude that a lot of us perceive in this club.

But I must admit, I'm starting to wonder whether he is losing the dressing room, maybe because some players can't stand the heat and if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out the kitchen. Hopefully Sturrock can make our journey up the league one fantastic voyage without these players, whether it's this season we go up, or another one. I'm confident as long as we have a club it will happen.

Related to my other post. Sturrock doesn't care if he loses the dressing room or not. He'll do things his way. Like it or lump it. Promotion or no promotion. Its his way or the highway...

I think its possible that he may have lost a section of the dressing room (the corner where Roberts & Weston sit :wink: ) but its also pretty clear from their recent comments that senior players such as Williams and Peacock are behind him.

I dont really like the idae of throwing away promotion just to spite a few players who the manager cant stand, but to be honest I'd do excatly the same if I was in charge (and frequently do on FM07 :D )

The flip side is that we have quite a few characters in our squad who'll think "fuck it."

In a word YES!

To be honest I'd rather have Sturrock here than be stuck with the current first team squad.  If we don't go up I hope Sturrock shows 90% of them the door.

Sturrock is a class act our squad are not.  It'd be a nightmare if Sturrock left and we were left with the dame players, crying because we didn't go up.  Grow some fucking balls and start acting like men ffs.

and they won't play again - if this is the way it has to be to get rid of the cancer at this club then so be it. I say good on him, he wouldn't want to sacrifice promotion - i think that's just a figure of speech - all he's saying is he won't tolerate wasters. Neither will I, so good on him.

For too many eyars this club has had too many players that will bleed for the shirt. Think back to the team of 92/93 - taylor, calderwood, ling and co. Even when they played poorly you could see they could give a sh*t. We've had to endure too much dross since those days, which means that any sign of cavalier play - and some fans turn. Some on the day, some on these forums - some players won't understand why we do, but all we want is a squad of players that will try their best and if sturrock has to drop players then let him - in the long run I think it will work out for the best.

fuck off

I don't really know whether he has lost the dressing room or not, obviously certain players will get the hump and pack their bags.  If that's the case I say good riddance, I would only want players who are committed to the cause and I believe that Paul Sturrock is 100% behind the cause, so it's his way or down the road.  And let's face it, there are not many takers when you go down the road, just ask Gareth Whalley! :fishing:

the players are obviously holding out for a consortium bid as it would mean more money for them - why wouldnt they back it? Sadly they see Sturrock as a man who does the current regimes bidding for them - lower wager lower bonuses .. if not now then in the future. Im sure they are as torn over the takeover as we are ... and its affecting results now IMO

I think that is correct :nod:

We need a team of Shaun Taylors (and, following that logic through, an RAF Hercules full of bandages and other medical supplies) 8)

i think thats complete rubbish

:ha:

Thats a laughable theory.  

3/4 of the squad dont have a contract for next season, and unless they pull their collective fingers out of their collective arses they wont be getting one.  Which makes the thought of bonuses and takeovers a bit irrelevant dont you think?

the players were battling under wise,even roberts :shock:
some no longer do this under sturrock

Team full of Shuan Taylors...............drool (and not over his good looks)

You really do come out with some shit.

Agreed, consortium talk is rubbish. As long as a player gets his cheque at the end of the month scooby doo could be running the club for all they care.

well I think if you asked any of the players they might tell you something different

(Here comes a typically long rant again - apologies in advance)
Lets face it....like someone touched on earlier....Sturrock has a specific way he wants to run this team and with a certain 'breed' of player.

I for one agree with his beliefs and I think deep down everyone else does too....the problem some people have with it is they wouldnt have the balls to go through with the things Sturrock is now doing themselves!

I mean don't get me wrong he will make mistakes like anyone but he wants 22 or so players to bleed for their team and earn the right to wear the shirt.....now how many of us would argue with a squad full of players like that??

Put it this way and I think everyone will understand it better......
There are two or three players that are in the mould of that which Sturrock wants all his players to be, but there are several that are not at present.....

Roberts, Brown and Co. - Not bleeding for the team - also rated as shit by most of the fans

Peacock and Ady Williams - Exactly what Sturrock wants - easily two of the best players this term and we all agree on it!

We all want the same type of players as sturrock as everyone wants to see the team do anything and everything to win....but I feel a lot of the fans on here think you can get that simply through simple man management....well i'm afraid at this level thats drivel!

Sturrock will be able to have SOME effect on the attitude of the players by man management (like he has with Peacock - how many of you thought he was shit when Wise was here - be honest!), but ultimately for players of this calibre there careers are short and they are dominated by where the next buck will come from.....the old boys that have already earned their fortune and the one's with the big balls like Peacock are the one's that he CAN say a word or two too and its like shoving a hot iron up a bulls backside!  For the rest it appears it more like shoving a hot iron up a mice's backside.....they quite simply cry out and die (not tried and tested obviously).

If it means we stay down this year (which I dont think it will) then i'd much rather this be so and we get a team together for next year that are all focused on winning for STFC and not for their mortgages and nice suits (which i think Sturrock would be able to do easily during a pre-season).

Mr Sturrock IS the man to do this.....it is simply a case of whether the team we have at present have the balls big enough for the challenege to get promotion this year (when there is such a good opportunity available to them) or whether they simply are not up to the challenge.

Like I said before, if shoving a hot iron up the backside of a Bull makes it rage but doing the same to a mouse kills them....then I for one am all for him shoving that hot iron up their asses......question is are they a Bull that will let loose and kill everything in sight for glory or are they mice that will simply die???

If we have anything less than 11 players out there that will not rage like the bull they need to, then bye bye....we don't want you!

Bravo. fucking great post sir.

oh do carry on your making me laugh  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I hate you Fatbury.

I spoke to Lee Peacock earlier and he agreed that you are a Twat.

I love the logic.

Players aint trying because they want more money and good bonuses next season.

The result of this? lower bonuses this season and no contract next season!! :soapy tit wank:  Fuck me I'm sure even a bunch of footballers could work this out for themselves!

I thank that's a pretty fair summation which I am in agreement with (I have not quoted in full to save space)   although I don't particularly agree with the animal experimentation :shock:

fatbury - do you like people constantly telling you that you are a knob? From the constant drivle which you seem to insist on posting, I can only assume you that you do :?

Foggy, I spoke to my sources earlier, they agree! :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

:fatbury:

I'm still coming to terms with Batbury being Fart, don't ban either of them, I find it all so entertaining :(

Fatbury, do you know any of the players? Your saying ask any player, did you?

did he bollox!! Fatbury out!

I don't think it's a case of Sturrock losing the dressing room.

I think it's the other way round, the players have lost his faith.

I would rather have Sturrock here next season than 90% of the fuckwits who are currently supposed to be playing for the club.

Oh, one more thing. Can certain people stop trying to link the Board/Consortium shenanigans to everything that happens?

It's becoming fucking tiresome..................................................

Yeah tell us who its is fattbart and i'll ask them Saturday when I see them

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I concur

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the only players in that dressing that sturrock would have lost, aren't worth sod all anyway, because the only players that he's slagged off have been the ones who either haven't lived up to expectations, or just been plain shit.

Seeing as you rightly helped me out in the other thread:

*are worth sod all

why stop there? to be fair my whole message barely makes any sense...

I don't like to kick someone when they're down. Unless it's Fred Elliot.

:mrgreen:

I think Sturrock has lost part of the dressing room, mainly the part he doesnt really want and will get rid of in the summer anyway.

They are not in his plans, so why bother with em?

because whether we or sturrock like it or not we still need them to do a job im afraid

I agree....the why bother is more sturrocks thinking not mine

Fattbart  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I am NOT Bart

Lee Peacock is Sturrocks favourite by the way

Sturrock has not lost the dressing room !

its second door down on the left

FFS he should know, he's just spend the last 4 weeks decorating it !

 :mrgreen:

Shock revelation there

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Brilliant  :mrgreen:

Top work mate

I can't see it!  :x

Neither can I..

What was it?

i can :soapy tit wank:

Sturrock will sort this club out playing wise. For far too long we have had ungrateful cunts giving half arsed performances. He wont settle for that and will quite rightly show them the door.

Great post. And I love your bull, iron, mouse analogy. I have never heard it before and I love it cuz it makes sense and no sense at the same time! Genius.

Im hiding this weekend, Ben costs me money

Glad you appreciated it...I do try!  :D

He states today he only wants player who fit in long term and not until the end of the season. I am not being funny but we only need a half-tidy striker on loan who can score a few goals from now until the end of the season to take us up then we can see where we are in the summer - can he not see this :evil:
If not we aren't going anywhere

Thats how I tend to think, but at the end of the day Sturrock has pretty much been there and done it in football and he's probably the most qualified coach in this division (well I say probably, I know for a fact he is). He's building long term and that's something we're not used to... He has my full backing.

I think it's harder to find a tidy striker than you think, and what if he gets someone in who fails to deliver and it costs us in the run in? It's a big risk, and we've been in the top 4 all season really because of our back 5, so why can't we continue that until the end of the season and gain automatic?

How many promotions has Storrock had ?

How many times has he been sacked ?

He addmitted when he came in that this division is not like it was when he was in it with Plymouth......

Don't get me wrong I still think the bloke is good but I do question some of his odd opinions

A good striker is nigh on impossible to get hold of without paying through the nose for them. Thats because they are good. noone wants to lose a good striker. If they are on the cheap there is a reason for it... they are gash!

the only hope of getting a good striker in on loan is a young talent from a top team who needs match practice or fitness....and unfortunately they will not be proven goalscoreres and are likely to turn their nose up at a move to such a low division.

Plus how many top managers who want their young guns to get fit in match practive would want them to play football in a league where they are going to get kicked all over the park.

I agree with Strurrock's long term ideas....but we are not talking signings now we are talking LOANS......JUST to the end of the campaign.

I think sturrock is thinking more along the lines of loans that can become permanent at the end of the campaign........if he is I hope he re-thinks this or we'll be getting people in to help that wont be wanting to join come summer as he'll have left it so long we'll have missed promotion.

In fairness though, i think even if we signed no-one....we have a team capable of going up......it is merely the confidence levels that need to rise as opposed to our numbers or wage bills.....fresh faces will help this but hopefully so will Sturrocks hard line tactics with the contract talks etc.