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Join me and flammableBen in the pub for some drunken board game fun. It'll be ace. Even Rich is up for it, and he has bum hair for a face so it has to be good.

In all seriousnous though, a boycott is the only action. We will not have a team next season.

IMHO personally like...................


it's not the player's fault they are employed by a bunch of lying parasites (go on you fuckers ..........sue me now, I know more than you fucking think !).

I personally WILL NOT boycott supporting my team

we need to get out of this god fucking awful division

I'll even drive from Oxford to join you.

Does OST have to do anything?

Mate...I know it's hard to separate the team from the business, but clearly it can't be. Our team won't exist soon. It is our team...without us they can't exist, at least not as Swindon Town F.C.. This is no knee jerk reaction, I'm deadly serious. Who murdered STFC? It could be likened to a game of Cluedo, but I ain't fucking kidding.

It's not the team's fault, but fucking hell, if you worked for a company that could fold soon you should be concered too. I say fot the sake of the team AND the business, we need to do something.

I could not agree more Si

what shall we play first then?  :D

i'm trying my hardest to get free tickets from the shirt sponsors for the next home game.

does that count as a protest?

star wars monopoloy and I'm in  8)

Sorry lads but I'm not boycotting. I didn't pay £400 for a season ticket for nothing!

Boycott isn't the way to go.

Vocal protests are another matter.

explain to me why? if you take away the boards money they wont want to have the club anymore and they will sell up. if you ran a business and the money suddenly stopped coming in because all your customers had deserted you what would you do? sit back and wait for it to go bust? i dont think so. you'd take your money and run!

Boycotting programs is somewhere to start. All revenue goes to Dunwoody so surely a boycott of these would be somewhere to start

Basically I don't think it is the way to go because a) I still want to go and support my team and b) like it or not withdrawing significant cash flow means if the consortium take over they will have to cover the deficit c) I don't think enough will boycott the games.

i don't buy the program anyway.

Boycotting is a gutless response what difference will 2,20 or 200 people sitting in a pub make?

If you want to make a point you take into people faces you dont sit in a pub 1/2 a mile away moaning.

despite being a gardener, yeovil has a valid point. if there is going to be a "stay away" protest it has to be just outside the ground, where it can be noticed.

and to be honest it's too cold for that. can't we just be violently destructive instead?

i still don't know jack all about talks breaking down so if anyone would be kind enough to spill the beans then that would be much appreciated.

i dont care if its cold or not i will still do it if that is what it takes! i do have gloves you know  :D

Thats fair enough but enough do, not selling any programmes will only harm Dunwoody and will have no impact on STFC so I would be for that.

my lad collects programmes from every game he attends.i stopped buying them for him a few weeks ago.it didn't go down to well i must admit

so is it a closed shop then, only certain privileged people are allowed to know for sure that the talks have stalled and why.

would be a shame if that's the case. how can the rest of us back a cause they know nothing about?

Why not try reading the other threads?

The club will be releasing a statement in the next 48 hours to say that the talks have ceased and no takeover will be forthcoming (or something to that effect).

Any other information has been kept private for a reason, it's not difficult to work out what the reasons are.

said the same myself.
you are bang on

no dont be silly! it would be silly to reveal why on any messageboards when really it is down to the club and the consortium to tell us why. these are private matters. just wait for the club statement on monday and im sure we will all have a clearer picture

private matters my arse!
those in the know are no better than those that are not!

I said exactly the same to you as I just posted to lebowski.

The reasons why talks have ceased are private. Nobody's going to reveal them just because you want to know.

Everything will become clear in time, just be patient in the meantime rather than moaning about being out of the loop.

I know nothing, but am willing to wait, why don't you just wait like everyone else instead of kicking off about it, your sounding like a jealous school kid

Sometimes I wonder whether you actually have a brain or just don't bother engaging it when you post on the forums, arriba.

THE REASONS ARE NOT IMPORTANT. THE FACT THAT TALKS HAVE CEASED IS IMPORTANT.

WHY WASTE TIME ON IRRELEVENT DETAILS?

MOVE FORWARD. NEXT STEP. TAKE ACTION.

if you knew nowt you'd ask the question

thats fucking insane! even the people "in the know" dont know everything!

ummm, the reasons that talks have stalled SURELY are very important?

if the consortium are all talk and no action then i for one would like to know.

Ask what question? Why you're such a beligerent self-important wankshaft?

rather patronising sonic.
the reasons why are extremely important to me i'm afraid.

hagar would like to know too

To be fair, the reasons are important.

Whilst everyone has their suspicions, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they've broken down for usual business reasons (!) - ie - we need to know WHO called them off and for what reasons because that way someone's culpable.

I'm not asking, I don't expect to know - but like evryone else, I'm gagging to know the details. Without details there won't be any mass protest either. All in good time I suppose...

Oh god why don't you just wait, people moan when the Consortium say something and moan when they don't. Wait for official statements like myself and others are!

why talks broke down you prick!

i totally agree with you!

Arriba stop being so fucking rude.

You will hear whats happened in time the same as the rest of us.

so you can surely understand why people like myself and lebowski wont make knee jerk reactions until we know whats going on.all this talk of action from people who know as much as me is premature to say the least

er i was called a self important wank shaft.

If I knew the answer why the fuck would I be asking the question?

The most important factor here is the consortium, if talks have ceased between themselves and the club then there will be NO takeover.

Given recent history the reasons for the breakdown aren't exactly cryptic, read between the lines gentlemen.

If the reasons haven't yet been made public, then there's a very good reason for that - i.e. keeping your cards close to your chest et cetera. I've no doubt that the issues which led to the takeover talks stalling will become public knowledge in due course but an insignificant person like myself posting them on an internet messageboard because a couple of people want to know the details is not the correct manner in which to do it.

Personally I think we should be concentrating on what we do next, whether we protest, boycott or continue as normal and hope there is more progress behind the scenes, not to mention supporting the team on the pitch. For that reason I feel that details are irrelevent.

I don't know any specifics and even if I did I wouldn't share them. The only people who would know specifics at this point are Bill Power and his lawyers.

has it ever crossed your mind that the consortium's offer might not be in the best interests of the club, which is why the board have turned it down?

how about until we know specifics we stay neutral and not get heavy on protests and storming parliament, like what the pro-hunt lobby did.

You are a self-important, beligerent, argumentative, stubborn, arrogant, pugnacious, irascible, puerile parvenu.

I could type until my fingers were nothing but stumps and talk until I asphyxiated but still you wouldn't listen to a word I said, for your opinion is the most important of all.

Yeah I mean a fan on the board, paying the debts, developing the CG and staying in Swindon isn't in the best interests of the club is it.

Moving to Chippenham, upsetting fans and not paying the debts however is definately in the best interests of the club. When have the board ever done anything in the best interests of the club. I fail to see your argument, sorry.

If the board had the "best interests of the club™" in mind then they would welcome new investment in order to pay off the existing debt, aid stadium redevelopment and progress the football club.

I don't think it's possible for the majority of people to stay neutral anymore, too much has passed.

Sorry to be a little elusive,

have been on the phone for the last hour.

Aririba, the full extent of the breakdown in talks are complex.

If people started giving full explanation in such a public arena, over an issue that is being presided over by lawyers then they are open, by law to subjudicie.

I am sure, for the sake of good form, that a statement depicting views will be released

Weren't organising a protest by any chanc were you?!

you sonic are a hypocrite,why this has turned into a row between us i dont know. but the things you accuse me of being sum you up well imo.
i was not abusive, until you were to me.
am i offended no and i love the debate that this forum brings.
i respect your opinions but you are very similar to me.
are you a virgo?

lads lads....

it's heated because we give a toss about the club. Why argue wtith someone you've never met...your on the same side

there is a protest being talked about after the talks supposedely broke down, but only certain people know why they're protesting.

doesn't that seem a bit strange to you the moonraker (if that's even your real name)?

Protests are being discussed because the talks have ceased.

That is stone cold solid FACT.

It's the reasons why talks ceased that aren't entirely clear.

very good.

so talks have ceased, before you arrange a protest wouldn't you, in the slightest possible way, be interested in the reason why these talks have ceased before you arranged a protest?

being an intelligent person as you clearly are, surely you would.

No, because going into these talks we all had suspicions about they way that they'd pan out.

Saying that, I will and others too...need reasons before protesting. For now though...the fact that people on here who DO know what has happened but aren't in a position to say exactly what yet...the fact they're so wound up suggests to me that BP hasn't stood up and said 'actually, I'm not up for this, keep your club'.

They've no reasn to shit stir if BP willingly walked away. Thats my assumption for now

Funnily enough, no, it's not. Is yours lebowski?...well, I suppose it could be...bollocks

FFS HAVE YOU BEEN ASLEEP FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS

why the fuck dont you open your eyes and digest the offer put to SSW and then come back to me and challenge it !

FUCKING JESUS

Of course I would but I wouldn't expect to discover the answers from a bunch of nobodies on an internet forum so I don't really understand why anyone else would.

We could sit around twiddling our thumbs for a week or two, that'll achieve super amazing mega great things!

fred, personally i don't know anything about the offer put to SSW, and i would guess that 95% of the fans don't either. maybe you'd like to indulge me/us? in whose opinion is it a good offer?

sonic, am i supposed to take these very same nobody's word for it that we're getting shafted? rumour shmumour. give me facts and i'm listening.

The way I see it is talks have ceased and they won't be resumed.

That means the club won't listen to the consortium without some kind of forced action. Therefore I don't care why the talks have ceased, for all I care Diamand Mike could have made a visit to hypno-dog who told him not to sell the club, I just want those incompetent cunts out of the boardroom and if we have to protest to achieve that then so be it.

jesus, even sam-stfc knows something! all i'm asking is for someone to put some meat on the bone here!

lebowski it could be argued that you will never get all the facts you need to make a balanced decision anyway. The board will release their usual lies and spin which therefore are not facts that you seem to demand, and on here opinions will provide the majority of content.

Therefore the time has come for you either to sit on one side of the fence or the other based on what you know and have heard as the full facts will probably never enter the public domain in the near future.

by the way, my post-count is going through the roof tonight

I actually know fuck all as I eluded in my last post. All I know is talks have ceased, end of!

glos robin, if you want to blindly follow a cause then be my guest! personally i would like to know precisely what's going on and why. is that too much to ask?

what i'm trying to say here is come on fred, spill the beans. your club needs you.

lebowski, if you want to sit a wallow in uncertainty until all becomes crystal then carry on. But going by this club's standards, you'll be waiting a long fucking time.

FFS you know I cant do that mate !

I have to respect the people that I am close to.

The information you require will be expanded on this week, please be patient

Ill tell you what, next time that I know something that I CAN tell the fans, I wont fucking bother !

you selfish,antagonistic, self absorbed cunt.how dare you ask such questions.who do you think you are to dare ask things like that.
 :wink:

Surely by accepting the board at present you are blindly following them at present, so it works both ways.
With the consortium at least you know what their manefesto is and what they propose to offer. I challenge you to tell me what the plans of the board are then, which party is more transparent?

well to totally discount your argument, i don't blindly follow the board, i'm pro-consortium. i don't accept the board or their countless mistakes. i would love bill power to take over, assuming his manifesto is consistant with his true intentions.

if the talks have broken down then i want to know why they have before i'll back any protest (unless it's breaking into parliament, i'm bang up for that regardless): how can you really protest against something when you don't know the whole story?

do it in code fred, write backwards. or something.

Oh I can't be bothered to argue tonight,
All I will say is judging by the anger on here I think some interesting things are going to come to light and there may be some very heated threads on here over the few days.

well if that secretive fucker fred would fess up then we'd know now instead of in the week sometime!

I thought this threat was going to be about the ex-Yorkshire racist batsman  8)

That's not fucking fair and you know it

you have been rude and obnoxious tonight and not once have I slated you.

Now please dont call me a secretive fucker or I will be forced to come round and force your own testicles up you arse.

enough said ?

there is nothing i would like more right now than to have my bollocks rammed right up my nought.

if there are any ladies reading this then i do apologise.

i've read this thread through again and given it much thought.
i've concluded that if i were a neutral in this saga, this thread would do nothing to swing me in the consortiums favour.
both myself and lebowski are in support of the take over and look whats happend!
frankly i'm disapointed in some replys to our posts.its done nobody any favours whatsoever.

i respect the views and passion from people but i think its getting daft now.
i'm knackered too so i'm off to bed.
goodnight all

Maybe if you 2 didn't come on here ranting and raving demanding information you might get more details, just a thought.

As it is things will become apparent over the next few days I'm sure.

well pardon me for wanting to know what i'm protesting about!

After re reading this I understand Arriba and Hagars/Lebowskis point.Ive been equally as frustrated by people "in the know" releasing snip bits here and there in the past.Its bloody annoying the whole "I know more than you" back slapping thing and it really doesnt help...

That said you know what you are protesting about its simple

Swindon in Swindon,debts payed and a proactive fan inclusive board or a load of chancers trying to claw some money from a stadium redevlopment,restrucrting debt and placing the whole future of the club you love in doubt.

Yes at the precise moment its following someone almost blindly.So make a choice with the FACTS that are already out there.Who do you support?

 Its time to pick a side Gentleman!

you aint protesting about anything YET. its obvious to me that Fred's hands are tied at the minute, and its not fair that all this grief is being dumped on him. he isnt saying anything of great meaning because he CANT, not because there's some secret club who know whats going on and enjoy withholding info from the ordinary fans. as we all know, our glorious board watch this forum like a fucking hawk, and i'm pretty sure their lawyers are on speed-dial...


i'm of the opinion that stuff is gonna become an awful-lot clearer this week, and all this animosity will hopefully be forgotten. we've gotta get behind a good, meaningful protest as one solid fanbase, and show that newbury fucker that we aint gonna let him stick his wrinkly old cock in the arse of our club.

Yep maybe but in all honesty he should have just said nothing.I like Fred and his enthusiasm but he needs to learn when to speak and when not to.

If only for his own sanity..

i see what you're saying, but if i was in a similar position, i couldn't just sit on it either.


as much as can be said, HAS been said at this moment.


i'd much rather  the consortium took their time with any forth-coming statement, rather than rush through and fire off a statement as quick as possible, as you know that the board are gonna try and discount anything stated.

A voice of reason. Well said!
Lets wait for the facts as to any breakdown in talks before we go overboard!

And can we lay off the sarcasm towards Fred...........So not deserved. :(

Millom

Fuck sake you silly monkeys, stay on topic  :old:  :ontopic:  :mrgreen:

A boycott would be as much as making a point that us fans are not listened to, more so though cutting revenue streams. All my ticket money forgone will be going to the Trust anyway. I don't think enough will have the same views and this will be the same with vocal protests, unless a few jump on the chance to start anti-board chants within the ground. Just my two pence worth.

As long as protests are co-ordinated (I suggested the stand outside ground protest to my brother last night) then it would be good. Same as any vocal demo. There could be several well organised active protests and I'm sure this would work better. Whether it will is another matter.

The pub and the board games idea is just my way of trying to lighten up some serious discussion. Before anything gets organised properly people (myself included) will say a lot of things and most of them will be bollocks (about 80% no doubt).

the man who wears a stewards jacket is spot on!

I can see all points of view, I hear talks have collapsed and I really WANT to know why.

I know there is all sorts of legal crap....but I struggle to see how you can convince the 'non-action, non-side taking' fans that the Consortium is the right way.

For all we know the consortium could have pulled the talks because Bill Power had done a mega u-turn and decided he wants no more to do with the club as the whole thing is shifted as and the accounts are dodgy?

We dont know what figures were offered or anything etc etc

again, whilst I realise not all the details can be given out in a public domain all the time....we need to know, its OUR club and we deserve the FACTS!

I hate agreeing with people.......but......what he said. :thumbs:  :thumbs:

 :goodpost:

Boycott and march .. starting from trust office .. around the town and back to Directors area by 5 o clock .. if we want to save our club .. we have to be serious .. if we arent serious they wont be a club soon .. unless you count a team playing in Chippenham as our club .. thats my view.

stop being silly alec

I'm not going to stop supporting my team under any circumstances other than being banned. :|

Likewise my friend !

its now my sole aim to get you banned from the CG :D

well after a good 2 or 3 minutes brain-storming i couldnt come up with anything, so i give up.

I'm all for saving a club that I really enjoy going to watch - I will do anything in my power (time/finances/application) . There are enough of us in this town to achieve this plus we have Mexico frozen for ever in Trondheim, just in case. We will prevail.
that is all

we could say mex is on hungry strike out there?

So some time around the beginning of next season he might have wasted away to nothing!

The main example I can think of in my head is when Wimbledon fans boycotted games because of the move to Milton Keynes did it make a difference? NO they had made there decision, any lost attendance they just had to put up with and believe me towards the end of the time the gates were very low but they had decided Milton Keynes would make them more money, it is a worry and does else believe that this could be the same with Chippenham just ride out the tension and move anyway, scary scenario's I know.

I will be involved in any active protest but as said by other posters this has to be well organised.  Perhaps leafleted in advance or publicised in the adver.  Never thought I would agree with Fatbury but a march from the town centre before a game to the back of the Arkells would get publicity and would be an excellent shout in my opinion, could do some vocal protests before and after the game.

For those of you refusing to do anything before knowing the reasons you are just delaying the inevitable, do you honestly believe it is any other reason than the board hanging on, did you ever expect them to continue civilly with talks? Mr Diamandis has no reason to leave he is making plenty of money from the club so will not walk away we need to force him.

Facts remain CVA is hanging over our head, no ground re-development possible in Swindon so we head to Chippenham and we continue to make unexplainable losses every year this is why we must protest we need them out before its too late, its time to reclaim our club.

The MK situation was different though. They had already decided, fans weren't happy and it wasn't lost revenue that caused them to move...

Even if the fans still went to Wimbledon games they would still no longer exist.

id still go then, you think the stewards at our ground would spot one person. Behave

MK was a different kettle of fish altogether. they left it too late when they boycotted. we wont be doing that! the club haven't decided to move to chippenham yet

Anyways I don't think it's worth arguing about it until our faces turn blue. What I am doing is more of a personal decision and I'm not asking anyone to join any bandwagon.

What is important is that we all see that we need to get this club back on track. This could be done through many ways, but please let's not waste energy arguing pointless frailties in our perspectives.

If anyone is still sticking their head in the sand thinking the club will get better on it's own then they are naive and deluded.

Depends really, would the likes of Redmacca have gone down if he had been caught at the CG during his ban?

Not that it matters because I'm not going to get banned as I'm a good boy :D

I went once on a ban,play off game. I took my little brother along as cover :mrgreen:

Smile, you're on candid camera :smile1:  I was quite impressed with the amount of pictures they'd got to be honest(outside and town end).

By banning people for protesting they'd be instigating plain violence, not even they are that ridiculously stupid

I think I missed this thread and fuck off am I reading all those pages.

Anyhoo, when's the next home game? I've got travel monopoly, cluedo and scrabble kicking around somewhere. I'll try and take the day off work and fish them out.

I wonder if I still have Mousetrap lying about

i think i might be able to find that somewhere  :D

I bet you find it and then realise there's a piece missing.

I've got a pirate memory game

MARGARET!

And MK shifted counties Rich. I will not watch Swindon play in nam!