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I'd forgotten it was even on.

you havent missed much.

Basically Lampard has given the ball and Crouch fluffed a shot wide...

Not even watching it

Cant be arsed with McClarens teams

Woodgate and Gerrard have impressed me first half.

Phil Neville has proved exactly why he should never wear an England shirt again.

Lampard simply cannot play to McLaren's tactics. I reckon he'll be gone once Hargreaves is fit.

Crouch is also shit, we need a proper centre forward.

awful game .. typical premiership fare .. like watchin Middlesbrough under McClaren .. VERY VERY DULL!

only highlights were the awful miss by Morientes .. just like in his Liverpool days .. and Gary Neville getting a smack in the mouth .. sadly not hard enough!

1-0 down quite crap

Get in, 1-0 Spain

Have it!

I'm nearly Spanish.

seconded

not even bothered with em.

harsh but McClaren is a cock and is dull as fuck. simple

just even more examples that lampard isn't very good for england and the continuation of the 'carrick myth'.

That was fucking piss poor.

Foster - unlucky, didn't have a lot to do
G Neville - same old reliable player
Ferdinand - Did well
Woodgate - Impressed me
P Neville - Shit. Extremely.
SWP - Didn't take his full-back on enough
Gerrard - Played well for his 45 minutes
Carrick - Meh.
Lampard - Left wing, WTF?
Dyer - Not impressed
Crouch - Should be a fucking basketball player

Subs:
Barry - insignificant
Richards - solid. One to watch for the future.
Carragher - didn't have a lot to do.
McClaren's love child - did he even come on?
Defoe - HIT IT FIRST TIME YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
Barton - should have been given longer. Rattled a few Spaniards.

McClaren - dull, boring, uninspiring, no ideas.

without Owen we are nothing.

we dont have another striker in the same class

I dont care what ben wah balls says Peter Crouch is shite

 The most entertainment tonight was the way the ref, (apart from his Nazi salutes at the start)...continuously gave free kicks against the Crouchmeister.

  He also missed the most blatant pen when the pikey sub, flattened the Meister, so fearful was he of him challenging his mate.

I considered popping along tonight, soooo glad i didnt shite game and its freezing

i'm more worried about the midfeild to be honest.

it's a good point about owen, but its easy to say owen is the main man when he's injured but people get on HIS back alot when he doesnt score and its usually because the midfeild dont create anything.

gerrard, alright he's quality and stuff but he looked permanently unsure of his job today and we need the refined, outstanding ball player- not the headless chicken, do everything one that turns up for liverpool frequently.

Lampard, drop him, please. he's quality- can score goals can setup goals, just not for england in our system. if it's him or gerrard which it really has to be, then he has to go.
left wing tonight and not once did i see him actually on the left, let alone beat his man and swing in a cross. not his fault, he's not a winger but there's no place for him.

carrick- i'll say it again- is an absolute myth. what the fuck has he ever done? especially for england- he never looks like scoring, he's not a rugged tough tackler that we need in the 'hole' he just ponces about trying little reverse balls and 65 yards through balls- flick fanny if ever i've seen it.

gotta feel for SWP, cant be expected to really turn it on for england when it always seems like any mistake he makes and he's out. true what lawrenson said about him needing an arm round his shoulder, that's mcclaren and mourinho.
i'd favour lennon on the right every time anyway.

get the midfeild right, which we invariably should be with the talent at our disposable, and any of our strikers (thats all the way down to bent and beattie) could be scoring for england.

Agreed. IMO our best midfield would be Cole - Gerrard - Hargreaves - Lennon.

midfield is clearly missing Joe Cole and David Beckham. They are the main chance creators.....or were....

Bring back, Cole, Scholes and Sven!

Bottom line is most of these players don't give a shit about playing for England.....once upon a time it was different.

    There wasn't much to choose between the two teams tonight....both have lost recently in  Belfast.....to a side consisting of mainly lower league players.

  They especially don't care about friendlies....which I suppose is only to be expected.

Christ no! Gary, get out! Now!

Jesus wept Gazza have you completely taken leave of your senses????

Do you really see us qualifying under Mclaren who doesn't have a clue, as much as people knock Sven you can't knock his qualifying record

I meant Becks not cole!  :?

   It wouldn't be much a surprise if we don't qualify.....appointing the ex scummer was always a disaster waiting to happen.

I can see our friends up north qualifying whilst we are sat at home waiting to see who replaces McLaren after he is sacked for not qualifying.

 

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You laugh they aren't doing too bad..... saying that, that was before their managerial change.

Agreed.

I thought Joey Barton's body language and, brief, work rate when he entered with 10 minutes to go suggested more urgency than the likes of Lampard have in countless amount of caps.

They're doing it for themselves and not their country. Many of the players from 2006 didn't cry because England were out of the World Cup - they cried because they the individual were out.

To be honest, I would rather watch us getting beat but playing attacking entertaining football than watching us grind out results like we usually do - get a goal, then immediately bring on a defender and pass it sideways/backwards

no one picks the ball up and runs at players anymore. All it is, is this slow, boring pointless side ways passing across defensive and midfield

I said something similar about 5 mins into the game - if we play well and lose then it would be better than playing crap and winning. Incidently we played crap and lost, I didn't even think of that possibility  8)

Leroy Lita should of been in that squad tonight

Wrong as usual DV. 15 goals this season already for Crouch, the only player who has been scoring freely for England this season, we do miss Owen but Rooney is better. Pretty crap game but much better players like Rooney, Owen, Lennon, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole and John Terry would all be starting if fit, players like Phil Neville and Shaun Wright Phillips at the moment aren't much use.

thuought Barry was disappointing, but then in his defense, he bought him on and then gave him approximately 10 minutes to have a go before bringing his little bum-chum downing on and moving him to left back.  How is that testing how barry does on the left of midfield ?!

Highlight was the fans giving McClaren a proper bawling on his long walk back to the tunnel. quite like that about old trafford, tunnel in the corner.

Why did Lampard play left Midfield he was isolated their. He kept drifting in. Barton should of came on 15-20 mins earlier. SWP had no confidence on the Right wing he should of had a go at Capdevilla and tried to beat him a couple of times. Very impressed with the Spannish Midfield and David Villa and Torres when he came on he looked lively.

thing is, when barry came on and with no gerrard, lampard was moved into his 'ideal' position... and proceeded to do absolutely fuck all.  He's got no excuse

Oh...I'm surprised you didnt tell me he has score 12 goals in his last 13 internationals against really shit opposition or something  :roll:

He is shit.

He has scored 6 premiership goals this season. Which is less than both Johnson and Bent.

He was pants last night, totally ineffective. Couldnt head the ball, couldnt control the ball, couldnt do anything with it.

Dont even know why I'm rising to it to be honest.

He is shite and you are talking rubbish

Regardless to how good he is or isn't.

I wish he'd stop looking so suprised EVERYTIME he's punished for climbing on to the defender to win a header.

In his defence, last night two fouls were given against him when he literally did NOTHING worthy of a free-kick, and he should have had a penalty

Still can't wait to see Owen and Rooney there though. Becks and Neville should be the right-side partership too, they work well togethe and I personally think Beckham is more valuable than most give him credit for.

maclaren will be the worst england manager in my lifetime,i'm sure of it.didn't watch the game, and wont for the forseeable future.
its a fucking joke.square pegs in round holes and all that!

His sissor kick goal last month was pretty special though, you have to admit!

Indeed it was....but Rory Fallon once scored an over head kick that doesnt make him good enough to play for England (I know he isnt English but you get the point)

Make that two overhead kicks he Fallon scored for his DV. Bradford at home last season.

Heres my crap opinion of it.Only one good thing came out of that game and that was woodgate and for that reason alone you play the following team and formation

Robinson/ or another
ferdinand
terry
woodgate
lennon/neville
lampard
hargreaves
gerrard
cole
owen
rooney

When owen is out lita or bent

Is that a 3-5-2 formation Macca.

Yes its 3-5-2

which cole macca?

in my opinion it has to be, when everyone is fit

Robinson

Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
A. Cole

Beckham
Gerrard
Hargreaves
J. Cole

Rooney
Owen


I still feel Beckham is our best option on the right, Im aware of the fact he isnt playing first team football but lets be honest he is still a different class to Shaun Wright Phillips and Aaron Lennon.

Lennon looks a cracking prospect and I think and hope he will go on to great things, but right now he isnt Beckham.

At his age Shaun Wright Phillips was ace now he's shit and its all his own fault. If I were Ian Wright i'd give him a slap and tell him he's fucked up his career joining Chelsea and he needs to get out asap.

Although J. Cole isnt an out and out left winger, before he was injured he was on top form. Scoring goals and creating bucket loads.

Has to be Owen and Rooney upfront, no one else is good enough. I am serioulsy worried that when Owen retires from International football (which with the injures could be very soon) that we dont have a replacement. Bent, Defoe, Johnson and Walcott arent as good as Owen is now....let alone when he was their ages.

I think with him being injured its shown we are very light in the out and out striker department as after Owen we have nothing.

Last of all no Peter fucking Crouch

You are just talking bollocks. There's a reason why Crouch's value has continued to rise and clubs were prepared to pay 10m for him in January but Liverpool weren't willing to sell - he's been playing extremely well. He's Liverpool's top scorer this season outscoring Gerrard, Bellamy and Kuyt with 13 goals - 0.4 per game. That's a great record and far better than Darren bent and andy cunting johnson. Crouch has also been playing in the champions league which andy johnson hasn't because he's fucking shit and he's the second top scorer in the champions league. That's not playing against shit opposition either.

Crouch is the third best English striker and with Owen out the second best behind Rooney - there's just no doubt about that. All the top managers rate him, pundits rate him but you don't because you don't have a clue.

Crouch is a lanky streak of useless fucking piss.

That is all.

You're wrong. That's all.

No proof of this, it was all speculation...




Only got 6 in the League though....2 of which were against Watford. Kuty has 9 in the league.



Not in the league it isnt....even Lita has scored more in the league than Crouch.



Yup, he scored against such European giants as Galatasaray, Bordeux and PSV.....no shit teams in there!!!!!!!!!



Maybe he is the 3rd best but he still isnt good enough. Sure he has scored goals at International level which is more than Defoe, Johnson, Bent etc so far but the large majority have been against minnows like Jamica and T&T. When he has come up against decent opposition he hasnt done it. Last night a prime example, he was useless

i quite like crouch. but not lampard or carrick or p neville or g neville.

Should we start discounting any goals against teams in the bottom half of the premiership then.
England don't play in the league you know so it doesn't really matter, Liverpool rotate their strikers and Crouch has only started 12 league games because he plays most of the champions league ones. You're wrong anyway, Crouch has scored more than Lita in the premiership this season and far more overall.





PSV are hardly shit, they've made the champions league semi finals recently and got past the group stages the last two seasons. Galatasary aren't that bad either, remember they beat Liverpool in their last game, probably because Crouch didn't start that one.




Last night was just a friendly and far less important than the games Crouch has scored in like against Andorra and Macedonia because those are the teams we actually have to beat to qualify for Euro 2008 along with Croatia, Estonia, Israel etc.

In my opinion Crouch's entertainment value on the pitch is much better than the quality of him as a footballer in the England squad.  Not good enough.

Our strongest prospect (After Owen & Rooney) who admittedly is not yet ready is Theo Walcott.  I have never rated Defoe and still don't think he is a strong enough player who is likely to be scoring enough goals for England.

I agree with BWB on this one, although I have to admit that's mostly because I like telling DV he's wrong. I really couldn't give a shit on the subject. I still think it's a travesty that Gurney never got the call up he obviously deserved.

i quite like crouch,great touch and links up well.but for a fucking giant he's shit with his head infront of goal.nearly every time its straight at the keeper