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Is anybody else really quite scared that this time next year we might not have an STFC (or at least one in Chippenham)?

Among all the anti-Diamandis, board feeling, there hasn't been as much of a reaction to this as I'd suspect. Hearing that Mike Bowden admitted yesterday that he has no moral objection to it is another indication to me that the board really want this to happen - and as I've said before, it makes sense for St Modwen.

For anyone who still hasn't made their mind up about the current situation, surely this is all that'd be needed to swing them, and we need to act before it gets too late and papers are signed to take us there.

You'd hope the Adver would play their part - they can hardly cover Chippenham Franchise as a swindon local rag

I'm scared shitless about it to be honest

well, it'd take more than one year for us to move to chippenham, cos there's no bloody stadium big enough yet!

but yes, the thought doesnt exactly sit well with me!

Its something which I've tried to flag up....the board may say its their third preferred option, but that is irrelevant.....the sole option  of Mr Blodwyn is to maximise profit for his employers and if that means out of Town then so be it.......

 There really is nothing new from the Board, they'll never get the land around the CG....another site in Swindon..only if someone has big bucks that we've never heard about which leaves out of town.

  Can't imagine that will happen any time soon, but the plans may be started in the pipeline.....and so become a fait accompli.

   The Adver is run by an American multinational....it doesn't really matter to them what happens to STFC.

decisions on the advers car parking is done in america, nowt is decided in swindon......

I cant see teh club getting away with moving, they will lose a hard core fan base and will be further in debt.

 Would kill me but id seriously have to join mr puffett at swindon supermarine......

I couldnt see 50 per cent of our current fan base going to Chippenham.

Id never set foot in a new stadium in Chippenham. Id go to some away games.

Wopuld you start following supermarine?

It will all be sorted in time. hAVE FAITH!

What do you know that we don't then Gazza?

 The whole point though is the Board don't give a shit about its fans....I think we've seen enough to realise that.  If the way for the Board and advisors  to make some money is to move, then move they will.

Reg is right



unfortunately

I just think the lukewarm reaction there's been to it is just what the board have wanted - it shouldn't be a third choice optin - it shouldn't be an option - it's the end of STFC. It makes us Franchise and I wouldn't be able to bring myself to go to any games, home or away - it'd not only be a new club but the club that stole my one from me.

Gazza, pm me if there's something you know that I don't...you're confidence that it'll all be sorted might just let me sleep at night

Doubt it. Didcot are in the same league. Thats too low.

Nothing, I'm just saying.... and you can agree or not... Every time we are in the Brown stuff we get out of it.

 I know from speaking to people at the club that the preferred option is to stay in Swindon. Its common sense thats where the fan base is. If it comes down to the survival of the club however then the club would have to look at the option of leaving the Town. I wouldn't like that and would be against that option if other avenues were available.

If the plans the club have are "similar" to the Trust plans as they have stated previously then there shouldnt be a problem getting support from residents etc to remain at the County Ground.

I dont think the football league would allow it and its so pie in the sky I find it hard to get worked up about it if im honest.If it was anything more than an empty threat id fight it but at the moment it isnt really real.

I still think that the Chippenham idea is a non starter.  Anti-board sentiment is being shown in a very controlled and dignified manner at the moment, but if the board started to push for a Chippenham move things would change very quickly indeed.

The apathetics and the small pro-board element would become anti-board overnight.  The protests would become more vocal and visible and pitch invasions would become a near certainty.

If the board's best plan is a move out of town, they're screwed.  It's all going to come to a head in the coming months.  The board can choose to find the cash for the CVA payment themselves or sell up.  A property deal which involves taking STFC out of Swindon is not an option.

 Survival of the club is Blodwyn speak for "being able to use the club for development purposes to appease St Modwen and get some profit for the rest of us."

 There is a perfectly good propsal on the table for the club to survive and stay in Town.....unfortunately, what's best for the club isn't part of the Board remit.

Gazza you're overlooking quite a few issues there.

First up, the attitude that we normally get out of the shit is just the sort of attitude that allows clubs to be stolen away from a Town.

The you're assuming that the club are being 100% open and honest - when have we ever known that? They haven't sat down in the same manner the trust has to make plans - why aren't they goig to the same level of effort to make it work. They may ideally want to stay, but they won't compromise (and compromise IS necessary to get planning permission) because St Modwen will be instructing the club to make as much property income as they come from any development.

Also, planning issues come down to small details - 'similar' to the Trust's plans isn't enough - it needs to be suitable to all - Community and Council - but the board will not make the necessary concessions.

I'd also hope we'd semd a message out straight away that 95% wouldnt go to any games in Chippenham.

The club has said that the plans they have for ground redevelopment at the C.G are similar to the Trust therefore with that said, if they are similar then there won't be a problem getting a new stadium at the current site if there is support from the council/local residents for the most part. There just needs to be a bit of willingness either side to get the project done which is beneficial for not only the football club but the residents and the town in general. The pictures on the trust site were very smart, but again it comes down to funding, who pays for it or did I miss something about self-funding?

And you missed Bill Powers statement this week Gaz

But the board hold every lever of power and no amount of protest will see them release that if they're intent on moving to Chippenham - and I think they are.

There's legal hurdles with the FA on relocation, and planning issues - so they bring in a corporate lawyer, Bowden. They put it forward as him coming in to look at CG redevelopment but it transpires that however many weeks ito the job he's had acsual conversations with the Council leader, has taken his word as gospel, and has done little or no work as to the previous applications and they're failings. If he was serious about redevelpment, he would have made more progress.

If the board are intent on moving to Chippenham then what are they waiting for?  With the CVA coming up surly they would already have a spade in the ground at J17 if they were intent on moving? There would be no need to wait around here.

Because they are in talks perhaps?

one things for sure, they're not bloody talking to Swindon Council at any length are they? If they were intent on staying in Swindon surely they'd be going absoluetly out of their way to talk, talk and talk to them to come to an agreement.

Instead, they employ someone to come in and he's done bugger all in a month! Or maybe he is working hard, but the conversations he's having aren't for our ears.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but this isn't really a trivial matter is it?

With the supporters lobbying the FA and Football League in opposition to a move, and with the Football League still smarting from criticism of their decision to allow the killing Wimbledon FC, and with Bill Power publicising his willingness to keep STFC in Swindon...the Football League would not sanction the move out of town.

Every move the board makes now - the Friday evening statements, turning up in pubs, turning up at Trust meetings - smacks of desperation.  I remain confident.  They are not in a strong position - and sooner or later they will have to stop rubbishing the Consortium's bid and start talking to them.

If we never had next years CVA looming would you still feel that way? I think now some people are just looking at everything negatively. Perhaps they are in talks with Chippenham your right? but perhaps they are in talks with the SBC. The only people who know work at the football club.

In which case, maybe they should be a bit more transparent and let us fans know what they're up to.

patsy


 :mrgreen:

wish I had your optimism

Has anybody actually got an FA Article that says we can't relocate and if so where we could/couldn't?

And as for the FA smarting over the MK move - they aren't. Football in general is beginning to accept MK - I won't, I know you never bloody will, but your average footie fan doesn't really care.

Gazza, the current board could indeed present the same proposals as the Trust. But its not going to happen, because the council wont deal with them because they are an unreliable, untrustworthy, faceless bunch of crooks whose signature on a contract is worth more as toilet paper.

I believe there is a rule saying a club cannot relocate more than 20 miles from its historical home meaning, Chippenham is just inside of that. However I dont know if this is a "rule" or whether this has been made up by fans since the move on Wimbledon FC

Wouldnt swindon maybe go into supermarines ground, lots of land around and no locals to protest? maybe thats where they are going?

Could be, Cliff Puffett was dealing with the club earlier in the year and obviously STFC have a good relationship with SSFC as we play our reserve games there so... could broker a deal where funds are split between the 2 clubs or something and play at the Supermarine site?

with a change of name to Swindon F C to refinance the club.

if we had the option to move Swindon Town FC to hunts copse id welcome it with open arms. would that then mean that Chippenham Dons or whatever would have to start in the non-leagues? if you understand what im saying

Not exactly - I can't trust anything they say given their track record of late. I'm surprised that you can have confidence in their word. Instead, they have shown a propensity to cover things up in order to keep the fans calm - the CVA/AGM incident.

So yeah, I am sceptical of most things they say, but with a reason - although I try to look at each incident with a level head and not pre-judge it...

But the evidence stacks up here, not least St Modwen's role at the club.

Let me ask you this...if you were employed with the sole purpose of instigating dialogue with the local Council and other parties regarding ground redevelopment in windon, wouyld you not have done more than Mike Bowden has done since he's been here (i.e. spoken to the council leader only and failed to get any other opinion or a history of previous planning applications)

Sounds like a good site to me for the reasons mentioned above with the clubvs relationship with Puffett etc. No traffic going into town etc, only down side to this site in the Councils point of view is less money would go into the economy as there is nothing up there.

If we go to chippenham I say reform as supermarine and start again, club outside swidnon isnt swindon

i agree with you Bush. tbh i just want a club to support from Swindon. if that means starting out in the southern league western division then so be it. AFC Wimbledon could be in the football league in a few years time.....just goes to show what can be achieved

I know what your saying BUT how can you prove that Bowden has not spoken to the SBC or anything? Just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean nothing is happening if you see what Im saying. You could be right  but end of the day it seems we are looking for a negative. No one has said Bowden has not spoken to the Council  or anyone else for that mater and no one has said he has. No news sometimes is good news?

Assumptions are being made etc.

When Wimbledon moved one of the main sticking points was that there was little prospect of football in Merton - we know that there can be football inswindon - the Trust have gone a long way to rpoving that. Is it worth the Trust contacting the FA with an overview of the current situation and enquiring whether the current board would be permitted to relocate when the fans have put forward an alternative, viable option?

Not quite mate.  RobT posted this on the adver site yesterday:

* Mike Bowden based his original comments "Fatally Flawed" on a chat he had with 1 person on the Cabinet at the Council.

* when asked Bowden confirmed the clubs proposals include developing the green space (extension) - which was one of the big falling points in the previous plans.

* club have 3 proposals, all of which have been created without one meeting with any of the local councillors or local residents.

Not much consultation there is there? Rob also added that Bowden had no moral objections to the move and it WAS being considered.
I don't make up any old bollocks for the sake of it.

I didnt say you were making it up. I wasnt at the Trust meeting so I have no idea what was said and I dont read the adver forum any more.

 End of the day, I'm staying positive, chin up.... it will all come good eventually..... I hope.

precisely how i feel. i certainly don't feel unduly concernered at this juncture.

I think you underestimate the incompetence of the FA...I hope you're right though and I'm wrong.

I think people have overlooked the fact that the club themselves don't realise how strongly we feel against a move.

Evident by Mike Bowden's comments yesterday

I can confirm that Mike Bowden did say that at the meeting.  He also indicated (without naming him) that the person from SBC he was talking to was in fact the council leader, Rod Bluh.  He did invite Mike Wilkes to a joint meeting with himself and Rod Bluh "over a beer"!!  Don't know who was buying, just hope it won't be put on my council tax bill! :nono:

Over a fucking beer?? I hate having meetings with clients over a beer, shows a total lack of professionalism

 Mate.... next years CVA is the new this years CVA...the it'll be alright on the night scenario is dangerous....make no mistake Blodwyn has no interest in our club beyond cutting a deal to make money for the vested interests....

   As the self styled no 1 STFC fan you should be trying a bit harder.

Yes you did - the Trust's proposals, while requiring start-up capital to get the project going (as would any such project), would cover the cost of the build by the commerical/residential aspects built in. Without wanting to sound too harsh, it may help if you read the proposals (rather than looking at the "artist's impressions" pictures which are solely illustrative) before drawing such comparisons. Otherwise you run the risk of looking like the loony nimbies last week on the Adver site!  :D

Actually it was me he invited not Mike Wilkes - this was while he was doing his namedropping act, reeling off a list of "very important people what is my mates" and emphasising these were "important people" not just "low-ranking councillors". Which was quite funny as we've already met all of them (and had considerable encouragement for the proposals we've put forward) during the consultation on our proposals. What was less funny was that the names most notably absent from his list, and prominent on ours, was any community/residents groups or ward councillors. They may only be "low-ranking" in Mr Bowden's eyes, but if he'd been around during the Shaw Tip fiasco (or at any point in the past five years), he'd have realised that not doing that kind of consultation ahead of making any such proposals is, to coin a phrase, potentially a "fatal flaw".

If this meeting does happen (which tbh I doubt - I think Rod Bluh's got better things to do with his time than referee a "My proposal's better than yours" dick-waving contest), I promise to pay for my own beer, so it doesn't come out of council tax coffers!

I have to say that having spent well over an hour poring over the Adopted North Wilts Local Plan 2011, I am struggling to find any land whatsoever that could possibly have a future allocation for a stadium complex or housing near Junction 17.

NWDC are very hot on maintaining agricultural land, land of significant landscape value, rural communities and archaeological sites.

I'm buggered if I see where they think it is going.

The only remote possibility is Hullavington airfield, but that is covered by both "NE15 - The Landscape Character of the Countryside" and also "HE1 - Development in Conservation Areas" policies.

 :nuts:

Gazza, sometimes I have to do a double take to make sure the comments attributable to you are not actually from the club. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Forest.

Forest.

Forest.

There, that's three. Two more than you.  :P

quote] I know what your saying BUT how can you prove that Bowden has not spoken to the SBC or anything? Just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean nothing is happening if you see what Im saying. You could be right  but end of the day it seems we are looking for a negative. No one has said Bowden has not spoken to the Council  or anyone else for that mater and no one has said he has. No news sometimes is good news?

Assumptions are being made etc.[/quote]

I'm still playing catch-up with all this shit. What is comming over loud and clear though is that the Chippenham story is one that the club hoped would galvanize fans to protest against in fear of becomming the next Wimbledon. They guessed (wrongly) that the pressure of a protest on the council to let them redevelop the county ground would win the day for them. I think most of us saw through it or deemed it just plain fucking stupid to be honest.

As with Diamandis, the problem 'his board' fail to recognise is that they have fuck all credibility left in the town. They could just about blag their way through most problems up until the moment they got caught out lying to shareholders and fans once too often. After that, they were fucked.

From what I'm told, the council wont touch this board with a bargepole - despite the recent (desperate) appointment of Mike Bowden, increasing numbers of previously loyal and hardcore fans distrust them and they face dwindling business & community support according to some who know the corporate hospitality side of the club.

Without the goodwill and support of the council, the fans and the business community of the town, the board are fucked. Period.

Sorry days despite the ace efforts of Paul Sturrock, the players and the lads and lasses that turn out to watch them week in, week out, home and away.

So fucking sad to see Gazza being used as a gullible patsy. I hear he's just upgraded his arsehole to USB2, so he can upload propoganda from the club at higher speeds... :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

point noted, ofcourse I forgot its 2007... idiot!

Tip, Tip, Tip, tippety-tip-tip, Tip

All I'm saying is that I havent heard anything either way. If it came out no one had spoken to SBC about a redevelopment at the current CG site I would have to wonder why the hell they havent?

Thanks for that and you can judge me because?....... I would rather support the players on the pitch and get promotion back to League One this season than worry about the stadium development. Until its all doom and gloom I'm not going to worry about it. I said in a post earlier. I am totally against moving to Chippenham if there is a chance we can build in Swindon.

Forest to the power of infinity.

I win.

This is good news then. Why not look out at Highworth?

you've seen the light!

"TIP-toe through the methane".....

I win on "winding you up" points  :D

Erm, there is no rift ....

Nothing in the Swindon Local Plan there either, mate.

You can guarantee that every developer under the sun with an eye on a scrap of land that they own (aka "land banks") or would like to buy anywhere in the country would have lobbied and slipped a few bungs in to make sure that it was included in the recently finished LPs. That is what they do very well (as in the Coate development suddenly "appearing" in the Revised Deposit Draft of the Swindon Local Plan).

Nobody can even think of putting in a planning application with any chance of success without the site already having approval for that use.

Even when it has then it must meet very strict guidelines or get chucked out.

For an example see http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/swindonnewsheadlines/display.var.1121200.0.signals_at_stop_for_rail_sports_ground.php

You can't just magic up a stadium site by buying out a farmer and hoping it will get through.

pEOPLE SHOULD send the KEEP TOWN IN SWINDON post cards to the councillors again. I think the council changed since the last time these were sent to the council?

No, most of the councillors haven't.

The current leader was deputy leader during the post cards.

In fact he was stood outside the Town End one Saturday match day watching people fill them in and addressing them to him personally and muttering "bloody hell, not more postcards to reply to"

 :D

quote]
Thanks for that and you can judge me because?....... [/quote]

..............erm, I'm not a gullible twat who peddles the clubs bullshit as fact. How's that for starters?

Just you wait. You have no mod powers on the L&P site, young man.

 :twisted:

..............erm, I'm not a gullible twat who peddles the clubs bullshit as fact. How's that for starters?[/quote]

So I'm a gullible twat for being more interested in watching whats goin on , on the field. I dont know if its occured to anyone but this whole "Chippenham" thing could just be a way of getting SBC to give us a new stadium??? Maybe we are all gullible twats then for listening about chippenham??? I haven't "peddled anything as fact" called being open minded. Everyone knows the board arent perfect. I know that, you know that, If they say have lied in the past which is the point your trying to make, then perhaps they are lying about chippenham?

Because he can't quote properly. That gives him the right to judge anything and everyone.

So I'm a gullible twat for being more interested in watching whats goin on , on the field. I dont know if its occoured to anyone but this whole "Chippenham" thing could just be a way of getting SBC to give us a new stadium??? Maybe we are all gullible twats then for listening about chippenham???[/quote]

That would be a silly plan if that were the case imo. It would almost indicate to SBC that the club isn't actually bothered about the local community or what the team brings to it...

It would only reinforce the arguments against the council working with the club.

http://www.dbeinla.org/pastie.jpg

That would be a silly plan if that were the case imo. It would almost indicate to SBC that the club isn't actually bothered about the local community or what the team brings to it...

It would only reinforce the arguments against the council working with the club.[/quote]

True, but the point I was making was, if the club are hell bent on leaving Swindon as people are saying  then with the CVA coming up surly they would have left already or made it clear they are def leaving and the spade be in the ground near chippenham so they can secure loans on the development clear the CVA and then start making money with say St Modwen, why would you wait? If its guaranteed and all you want is the money, you would go as soon as you could?

No. You're a gullible twat for making out that your so-called opinion of current stfc affairs are independant of those of the club board and for not fucking realising that you've been rumbled son!

 

Noooooo!



I rest my case :o

Spot on si pie - although "suicidal" might be a more appropriate term than "silly". If anyone really thinks the club are in a position to bully/threaten the council about anything much, they're deluded. Much like if they think they can renegotiate the CVA over a further 10 years or get League permission to move to Chippenham.

Perhaps a better idea might be to talk to the council/local residents etc about what they actually want/need and try to incorporate that into a viable stadium redevelopment proposal? If only some STFC-related organisation had had the foresight to do that ....

I think we have to agree to disagree, I want to see what happens with the CVA and stuff first. Yes some are annoyed because I dont run around wearing a orange hat and shirt looking like a giant satsuma, however Im glad you saw my last point! My opinion will stay with me from now on if its not the majority because after this I cant be assed to explain things and wouldnt want people turning on me etc because I did not go with the majority!

I've just reread this article.



 :shock:

Fuck me, I wonder what and where that was???

Anybody know?

It could well be too late by then - you could be "seeing what happens" via the official receiver's report after the club's been liquidated. Sorry, Gazza, but this is serious and urgent and while some of the criticism that has been made of you is harsh, the "head in the sand/it'll all out turn out sunny" approach is just kidding yourself.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Can you have a mis-spelt visual gag? :D

Just found this:

http://archive.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/2004/1/28/126843.html

and

http://archive.salisburyjournal.co.uk/2000/7/4/242403.html

I think so yes.

I don't give a fuck if you wear an Orange hat Gazza. It certainly doesn't annoy me as I don't know who you are off this forum.

I completely missed your last point btw - the ironic smiley was clearly lost on you. Never mind.

You're entitled to your opinion like everyone else. Please don't pass-off the club's propoganda as being your own opinion is all I'm saying as it's extremely fucking embarassing.

Is Gary Stanley still a trust board member, as the trust site suggests?

It's just emotions from people obviously concerned, I can understand why they have taken a pop at me, it doesn't bother me too much! Ill just keep my opinion to myself!  8)

No, he stepped down for personal reasons (and for once, this greatly over-used phrase is actually genuine) around Christmas. Hadn't spotted that - thanks for the heads-up. Bloody useless bunch we are - don't even know who our own board members are  :oops:

what do you think Millom :D ?

he resigned

it was all very shady

I asked him once if he was a board mole, he denied it but then put some thick round glasses on and started digging holes in my garden :x

he dropped his principles as they conflicted with his "vital" empire

Following on from yesterday's meeting, what position are you exactly on the Trust board, Paul?

Is it Acting Joint Associate Chairman Elect?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

sorry thats too harsh I just like Gaz bashing it reminds me of the good old days of "thisis"

 Now wheres Jimmy........

haven't heard from him in ages. difference between now and thisis back then.... most people know who i am now so they know im just taking the piss..... maybe i can sign up as an alias, Azzag?

Are you taking the piss?

I rather fancied something like "All-powerful supreme ruler of the known universe and as yet uncharted territories (bow before him and quake at his approach) designate" actually. I think it has a ring to it.

I think that is a fuckin hilarious reply Yeovil, thats what i think!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Why not just "TRUST GOD" pretty powerful and shows supremacy?

You've not quite got the hang of this have you, Gazza?

Ive never met you one on one Gaz, just read your posts over the years.  I DO think you can be naive at times, particlarly for someone who has been around the periphery of both the club, and the trust for a fair old while. Not having a pop, just saying what i think. So you are either a pasty, or very naive. Which one would you class yourself as.

gazza's just a thicko

That pretty much sums it up!  :soapy tit wank:

sadly not by the looks of it  :cry:

I classify myself as a fan and thats it. After this evening/morning I guess now... Im no longer discussing this.  :beers:

so....if im right in think the board have 3 non fatally flawed proposals lined up....then where are they? why havent they been made public? why havent the adver got hold of them?

As for moving to chippenham......if they board think thats a viabale option they are even more stupid than I thought.

Judging from what I've heard/read/know etc it'll just be Gazza in our nice new stadium....

Perhaps they will put more detail in the forum that Bowden mentioed in 2 weeks with all board members being present, the one where there will be no one from the Wills family and Willy will turn up and ask what's all the fuss about....oh and he mentioned Diamandis in the same breath as a board member surely a slip  :scribe:

Wasn't sure why he was so opposed to the Diamandis vote though he really seemed quite agitated about that as if doing it would really make him kick off  :evil:

Bowden said that he got the message load and clear that moving to Chippenham would be pretty much no different to  the club going
bust,  ie. the end of Swindon Town FC.  Whether that will stop it happening, who knows. I have my doubts.

The clubs flaw free development of the county ground involved building on greenspace and they have not consulted the local councilers/residents for opinion. I don't think he said exactly what it was they were proposing to build there - it is not necessarly houses/accomodation.

Guess we will have to see.

isnt building on green space exactly where the last proposals fell down....?

that and not owning the land, which would be an issue with houses because you have to give the buyer the freehold.

The locals will oppose any development on the green space though, even if some flats went there.

The club plan to develop 38 acres of the site (which is a fair chunk of the whole complex if memory serves me correct).

I disagree Herthab, I'd be suprised if as much as 50% of current support ultimately went on a regular basis after the excitement of the new stadium died down.

But if there was success (championship/prem) then crowds would doublessly be gained from new support. I think this is the same gamble that MK Dongs took.

Personally I don't care if I am the only person to do so, I well not attend a Swindenham Town FC game.  I would watch Ciren I think, not much of less distance than Chipp is.
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Yes DV it is - with housing on green space it is a no go.

But I don't beleive Bowden is a spaz, far from it,  so presumably the plans have been substantially altered if they genuinly are looking at a redeveloped CG.

Oh behave. He said an open board forum with Diamandis there too. For all of the 'witch hunt' you have to give him a chance to answer back, no matter how bullshit his answer may be.

If nobody was calling for the greek's head he wouldn't need to be there. Whether the meeting actually materialises is another matter though.

8 pages!!! Fuck off am I reading all of this. Will somebody give me a quick summary please?

Everyone except Hertha and Gazza don't want the stadium to move to Chippenham.

flammableBen is also a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints

Fuck off cunt! I never said that!

Clean your fucking glasses and READ my post dickwad!

Noooo you've revealed my secret mormonage. What have you done?!??!?!?!?

Don't be silly pieman, I'm clearly not a mormon, you've seen my go out in sunlight with out melting for a start.

Hertha and Gazza are crusty herpes ridden cunts.

Prick.

And you wouldn't know what a cunt looked like.

You shit stabbing, fudge packing, ladyboy liking wank rag.

iF YOU READ back, it says. I would be 100% against a move to Chippenham if a site could be found in Swindon.

Fuck off you inbred child of an aborted fetus.

http://www.julianawetmore.net/photos/juliana35.jpg

That's you that is.

If you look back I also say I would be against a move to Chippenham especially if everything hasnt been done to keep the club in Swindon. Don't call me a c*nt without reading what I said and therefore assuming what one person has said is correct.

Fucking hell people are a bit moody today. It's like the spirit of Menstruation has taken over Herthab and gazza.

Sorry just a bit pissed off that someone would totally misquote what I said about a move to Chippenham. And thats Pieman not you. If people want to question how I feel I will happily provide a link to an article in the adver about a year and a half ago where I said I did not want the club to leave Swindon.

That clearly isn't me.

I haven't got a bike.....................

Wow, two people took flammable seriously, you must be so proud Ben :D

I was a bit shocked. I didn't really know what to do.

My favourite moment was gazza writing c*nt. This isn't the bloody adver forums you can type it out.

cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt.

Very true Fred :cry:

Im at work so I cant write the whole word or it gets blocked  8)

I attended the meeting and it has to be respected that Mike Bowden attended the meeting and listened in effect to what the opposition had to say.

My first impression's of him are that he was a bit arrogant, I have no doubt he has a proven track record in business but his constant reminders I have been doing this for 22 years and bought numerous companies to be honest doesn't impress me.  What he has done in the past means nothing what he is doing at our club is important and thats what we will judge him on.

Also have no doubt that Chippenham is an option they are seriously looking at, Mike said 'if it came to the club being extinct or moving to junction 17 then we will go there' or something to that extent, I then said to Mike 'what you have to understand is if you take our club to junction 17 it is extinct it is no longer Swindon Town' to which he responded I respect your view but disagree.

Don't know what to make of his appearance another move by a desperate board? an attempt to sway some trust members? an attempt to shoot down the arguments?

Personally my feedback is that Mike B did not portray himself in a good light.  At one point when the elderly gent (season ticket holder since 70's) said something negative about Mike D he said 'do you want me to quote you on that' this just made Mr Bowden in my opinion look petty.  Also respect that Maverick came and hope that he looks at things in a more balanced way now but can't help feeling that he has made his mind up on who he's backing and that's the current board.

All in all good turnout of Orange and a small positive that the lawyers of both parties have had brief contact hopefully the start of entering into negotiations.  Also interesting that there are more backers for the consortium who don't want to be named yet  :D

 You don't get  up the greasy pole without a hefty dose of arrogance, Mr B realises that there are a number of mug punters (us)  in the way of his remit to maximise profit for the shareholders of STFC by way of a property deal.

 So, first rule of engagement....know your enemy...the toe dipping of talking to lads at the CGH/ Merlin, was to try and be seen as a man of the people a bit of PR spin....bit like buying beers all round.

 Be very careful.....the future of our club is at stake.

Someone give Gazza a pint and a pastie to relieve him of his pmt and I think Hertha needs someone to love him, dare I suggest the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? Our resident Mormon flammableBen could teach him the ways.

when did he go in CGH?

  Blodwyn or Holt went to the CGH or vice versa The Merlin....not sure which, save to say realising they're losing the PR battle it was seen by Blodwyn as way of starting out to gain some credibility.......promptly lost by stating he was not prepared to rule out J17.

Holt went into the CGH after the Rovers game (much after mind).  We have a photo somewhere of him just after someone slipped an orange hat on his head.  He also went on a walkabout around Winners before that and someone mentioned (I Think) one of the others popped up to the Merlin (but can't be sure on that one)

It was Bowden Rob

Fair play to maverick for coming.I do have one question though maverick have you ever had the pleasure of meeting bowden before?

Don't know if this has been mentioned but I went back to the interview Bowden gave when he joined (Swindon Adver, 14th December 2006).


“If we lose our community, we lose our club.

“We have to be seen to be part of the Swindon community and I hope I can play a small part in achieving that.”

http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/news_headlines_Story.asp?NewsID=6142



I certainly did not get that impression from the guy. That's my personal view about it anyway. We'll have to see as time goes on how the community becomes involved, if at all it ever will.