Thetownend.com

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/display.var.1070717.0.county_ground_set_for_sports_supercentre.php

Compare these to the clubs effort!

:wanker:

Great work Trust peeps! Viva la revolution!

:soapy tit wank: nice one gents. certainly a good read.

Sound like good proposals to me. Shame about the narrow-minded idiot who obviously doesn't have clue about anything.

Posted this on the Adver forum...

Have the cricket club beenconsulted? wouldn't they be reluctant to leave?

What response have you had from the Council members that matter - the ones who'll make the decisions to give the go-ahead?

Excellent proposals. Just a shame that a few idiots cant comprehend the plans properly and whinge about anything and everything.

boohoo more apartments. Swindon is still one of the fastest growing towns in europe and needs places for people to live.

Boo hoo another hotel. Yes, another one. Because up until recently it was nigh on impossible to get somewhere to stay in the town if you were coming in from outside of the town.

the Cricket Club were consulted and would move in the right circumstances, but the proposals include two options - one for them not moving, and one if they do and it got past planning consent.  That's the joy of them, they are flexible enough for everyone to get involved.

The Central Ward Councillors were all ( I think) broadly in favour of these and were consulted on before, during and after.  We took onboard all the things that they would simply not accept and tested things that seemed to fit within their limits.

this sounds great - any drawings or plans drawn up?

I'm quite excited about this!! We may even attract some decent bands to the town over the summer months.

whats the next stage then Rob?

Grrrrr.....I really hate people like this! The twon need to progress as a whole not just the football club. Why do people dwell on the past?!

Great report. Well done to the trust.

Some good plans there! Can i just ask what the plans would be for car parking if the car park and the Ground behind the Arkells is being used up for development?

It has been suggested that a multi-storey car park is built on an adjacent retail site for use by that business as well as the sports facility. It has also been costed and it is not a ridiculous amount of money.

very good read that. excellent work guys.

i know i don't live in swindon but you can clearly see the bennifits of such a scheme.

having all the facilities based in one prime location with the extra revenue of the hotel and appartments it's a great way to enter Swindon.

First your welcomed by the huge Honda factory, then the daunting prospect of the magic roundabout followed by the shere excellence of the football club, hotel, sport centres etc etc then you venture into the newly  refurbished city centre. this can surly only be a good thing for the city of swindon as a whole and put life back into a part of swindon which is going down hill.

Full proposal now available online:

http://www.truststfc.co.uk/news_item.php?id=1005

sounds alright! the car parking is bad enough at the moment so an alternative site for car parking ie essential! What is the Park and Ride like at Swindon?

Looks very good in principle, hope the devilish detail does not get in the way.

What's to complain about ?

The fact is you need hotel/apartments to help pay for the redevelopment costs.

At least it's much better that the clubs 'more houses than you can shake a stick out' proposal, which seemed to be done on the cheap by Dunwoody, but they probably charged the club £50k + vat for.

not just that Summerof69, but the hotel and appartments shows the club is also giving back to the people and local businesses of swindon.

Hotel would be the gateway for Swindons businesses when clients want to visit. Confrences(sp) could be held there too which would boost turnover.

With housing if it's low cost affordable (like Ralpy has just got) flats then it helps the first time buyers to get on the market therefore giving back to the comunity.

all in all it's a winner

I'm just now waiting for a club 'statement' saying that these proposals are pie in the sky, when everybody knows that they are not.

They are under severe pressure as today the Adver has also printed the Manifesto for the Fans Consortium.

What happens to these proposals now given the consortium bid?

I assume the idea is the takeover bid runs its course and the consortium take the plans forward?

I assume he Trust will not be handing the plans to the current board, assuming they have not contributed to the costs of producing them of course?

looks good!
one question i have is.have the residents of shrivenham road been asked if they mind a new stand in place of the stratton bank?
i thought the roof issue was a problem some years ago with old proposals

Yes, they have been asked Arriba. As have the Broad Green Community Council.

The previous roof issue wasn't to do with the residents, it was more that the club couldn't afford to build it  :roll:

However, this time around it is proposed to slant the Shrivvy Road corner to maximise natural daylight for the residents.

marvellous!!!!!
cheers for the info

Goos Work, hark at the common sense of the proposal!  Wel done to all involved, can't get too excited til I see soem fancy atrwork of how it might look.  I would love it for the designs to actually be a bit unique not some samey prepackaged design like every other club has.

More fantastic work from the trust. my only regret is I didnt join sooner to show my support.

Trying to be as unbiased as possibe, I would support this scheme even if I didnt support STFC. There are too many people in this ton who are scared of progress.

A big thumbs up to all involved for the hard work it must have taken to put such a comprehensive and well thought out proposal togther.  

I just hope that the council, nimbys, and prople stuck in the past can see the benifits of such a scheme

by the way there is a poll on the adver site, about halfway down the homepage.

We should all voe to show our suport.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/swindonnewsheadlines/

33% say no, that's a bit worrying.  Although initial concerns should be over come.

Great work to all involved, like what was said on Monday, publishing these details can only be a good thing.

Any statement from the club about this would sound reactionary.

And of that 33% I bet none of them have actaully read the proposals.

How do you slant a stand? do you mean Huddersfield style with the U shape roof?

Just gone down to 26%...There is more Town fans than NIMBYs.

Anybody seen that Bowden's already rubbished the Trust's plans and stated that he'll be looking at moving the club out of Swindon.

Nice entrance to make. Welcome Mike. Now FUCK OFF

Lambert, I kow you're designated club-forum-reader - as pleasant as you've seemed in emails, kindly sorted out Diamandis and anybody else in power down there. It's about time they fucking realised that some of us actually care about Swindon Town and will do whatever it takes to make sure that your lot don't ruin it for everybody.

hang your head in shame.

Hardly surprising. They couldn't be more out of step with the fans if they tried now. :x

Where have you seen that, mate?

BBC Swindon apparently braodcast it at 2pm - I'm hoping its on a 3pm too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/index.shtml

if thats true are the board deliberately trying to wind us up .. although it wouldnt surprise me of Bowden - probably wants to move the club to Bath

Says on the radio that Bowden thinks the plans are 'fatally flawed' as he 'doubts' the Council will allow for hosuing on the current site and that the land would better be used for 'other purposes'.

Nice and clear then.

To put the record straight, Rob (or anyone involved with these plans) - what was the Council's response to the housing plans?

This board is really full of idiots isnt it?!!! we've got ourselves another idiot now in Mike Bowden, i don't think the fans are going to let an bellend like him take the club out of Swindon.

We really do need to step up the pressure and get this board out, they are getting worse and worse by the day and seem to be winding us fans up more and more.

First it was the crap about having two other bids for the club and now some new idiot who thinks he's a know it all is saying he wants to take the club out of our town.

Get these idiots out of town!!!! they are really starting to make me angry!!!

To dignify anything with a two word retort is somewhat juvenile.  But in this case I make an exception - "FUCK YOU".

To move the club significantly out of Swindon ends it all for me. Seems a strange thing to come out with though. I mean how much time would that plan take to get through planning? How would the club keep going through that period?

SACK THE BOARD.

Bowden and the board would rubbish the trust's plans though wouldn't they, it's so obvious that the board want nothing to do with the trust and do not want them taking over the club.

The only way we are going to get the consortium and Power to gain control of the club is if we literally force this board out of town, i'm sure most of us on here would be willing to try and force them out especially as now they seem to want to move us out of town, they are a complete joke, such a joke that they are laughable, they have to be the worst board in the club's history and possibly the worst board that have ever run any football club, they seem to enjoy destroying us, perhaps they get frills from it or something.

I'm starting to lose all respect for Seton Wills, we have all stood by him for what he has done for this club, but if he really cared about Swindon Town then he would hand over the club to the trust and walk away but he's not going to do that!!!!

I think slowly that the fans are turning against Sir Seton and he will be a hated man by all the club's fans the way things are going!!!

This lot are desperate to say anything to rubbish the plans, but that statement is going to push even more fans towards the Trusts position.

This lot are going to use that statement as a bargaining tool to the council...

You either give us what we want (more houses than you can shake a stick at) or we're moving out of Swindon.

But the FL have changed their rules since Franchise, and they cannot move out of Town.

I didn't know anything about the rule changes by the football league, have you got a link?

The councillors we have spoken to (both ward and cabinet) are comfortable with the affordable housing and the up market corner apartments.

The affordable stuff is right in line with the Government's target for 30% of all new builds in that it helps the council reach this without having to do anything themselves apart from agree.

There is no land deal in this proposal - the CG would carry on as a lease and hence all of the properties on the site (housing/commercial/sports) would be long term leasehold. Mind you, freehold flats are rare beasts - you can't own the thin air below them.

All Central Ward Councillors were positive towards the idea of Appts (mainly because they are intended for Key Work/Affordable Housing schemes) as were many of the top bods when asked.  As the Council would be gaining and the community it is perfectly legal to do so (as shown by Swansea's development).  The problem with the original club proposal was it meant giving away land that the club/developer would use as they saw fit an no obvious gain was highlighted for the community in return.

As part of the consultation process, we naturally included the football club in that process so they already have a copy of these proposals and may well have developed something on the back of them. Fine - we believe the proposals are a good deal for Swindon and for the club, irrespective of who's in charge. So long as they can deliver on that of course.

The proposals are intended to form the basis of a wide-ranging discussion among the people of Swindon as to what we (ie Swindon residents and taxpayers, community groups, council, local sports groups, supporters etc) would like to see happen. In that sense, anyone would be free to pick these proposals up and put in a concrete proposal for redevelopment based on them. But I'd have to say then that the council would have an obligation to look at whether the people putting in that concrete proposal would be suitable partners and whether the council believed they were viable in fulfilling their end of the bargain. Possibly a "fatal flaw" for certain parties.

If anyone wants to contact Mike Bowden to discuss directly any of the reports that are circulating with regards to the CG redevelopment they are more than welcome to call him at the club - 01793 333714

In the plans it states you want to build the superstadium which is obviously a great idea.im assuming you have put plans in for the pitch aswell as you know what the council are like they might not let you do it :D

well these plans look good. just one thing though. why would SBC let us have a hotel and flats now when they didn't before?

i think its because it will fit in with the 30% low cost plan or something like that

The difference is that the last set of plans relied upon the council giving the CG land to developers for nothing to fund the hotel/houses and so on.

These proposals are self financing. The council do not have to give up or sell anything. In fact there are potential advantages to them in terms of the leisure centre siting aspects.

Oh, plus someone actually bothered to ask the council what they thought this time round.  :wink:

cool! well thats that one cleared up then. so what about the Cricket/Athletics teams?

Read it in the adver at work on my lunch break which was at 11.00 and it sounds very interesting.

Frankly the athletics facilties need drastic improvement whether at the current location or elsewhere, that track was knackered about 13yrs ago when I last used it.  I think it only has 6 lanes which is not usuable for any decent competition, so really could do with significant investment either at the CG or another site.  From memory the pavillion is listed and there is constant rumour about the boundary sizing of the cricket ground, the last I heard being the boundaries are big enough for the first class game.

Matt, from what I understand from when we spoke to the Cricket Club, the current boundaries are big enough for county cricket (ie Gloucs could play there). The proposals do not require the cricket club to relocate, it's just we can get more of the community sports stuff in there if they do because the pitch is awkwardly placed. But equally the cricket club made it clear, as we have in the proposals, that any relocation would have to be a better offer than what they have now and be in a suitable location - we're not calling for them to be turfed out against their will. It's no part of our agenda to benefit one sport to the detriment of another, as that doesn't make sense from the benefit to the whole community perspective

Was that aimed at any party in particular? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Is there a plan for a legalised brothel in this redevelopment?

I did suggest it on more than one meeting Reg.  in fact i suggested a compulsory purchase order for all the house on County Road, allowing us to have a mass development but remain withing the legal rules fro Brothels in terms of size.

My idea wasn't taken up though

Nice to see these go public.

How long have they been done? months...

Anyway, I like how all the forum members are asking 'have you thought of this/that' and all the answers are 'yes, we have'

also I suggested a night club so all the players would piss their money straight back into the club.... 8)

Have you thought about calling it the flammableBen stadium? Obviously in honour of me.

   It would've been a good idea.....could have been incorporated into the Rikki Hunt casino.....called Jockstraps or something similarly catchy.

There doesn't seem to be much about the ground redevelopment specifically, just saying it'll be a 20,000 all-seater. Can we assume that we're building 3 new stands, creating a bowl-like stadium with the South Stand? Are we still going ahead with the 90 degree turn of the pitch?

extend town end and Bank, to same heigh at the Nationwide, then fill in the corners as a starter.

So it would be like 3/4s Nationwide stand and the arkells...

I think Andrew Hounsell put together some ace video clip thing somewhere...

No change of pitch location/rotation.

The development itself would have to be done by proper architects and the like, this is more an outline proposal to show how it could be done - financially and legally.  A rough cost and concept for the ground itself is included, but the actual design is up for grabs I suppose.

I'm sure the council would see working with this bunch of cowboys a fatal flaw thats for sure

It sounded to me listening to Bowden that they are working on these proposals without the housing - but of course they won't credit the Trust, a lot of people worked bloomin hard getting those proposals done.

But do we really give a sh!t if the club think they can develop  - they are not going to be here long enough to see it through.

 :fu:

So it'll end up looking sort of like a C-shape (arkells, the bank and South Stand), with the Town End seperate, but joined by hotel on one side, flats on the other?

NO....Bank, Nationwide and Town End joined.

Arkells on its own

Just seen a report with Boden, Starnes, Carson and that guy from Reading, of how they've done this brillant development plan, and how it could transform the site of the CG.

No mention of the Trust, because the b'stards are claiming all the credit.

cool. so something similar to Plymouth's one then? will the arkells stay as it is?

I think, only think the plan was to leave the arkells for the time being, because it would cost shed loads to rip it down and re-start from scratch...it would be something to develop in the future if the funds allowed

Lets look at this guys and scratch a little beneath the surface.

Why has Bowden been brought in exactly ?

Look at Smarmes 2nd from last statement which questioned whether the Consortium wanted to take over just STFC ?

Then all of a sudden Bowden gets brought in with a clear remit to persue the redevelopment of the CG.

Lets face it, desparate times call for desparate measures !

The only way that this bunch is going to survive is to raise money to satisfy certain liabilities.

SSW has charges over his land or property's coming out of his fucking ears and has not got any more options to plough money into the club.

SO ........ the club has to borrow money to;

Pay liabilities

Stave off a take over bid so,

No due dilligence can be done and,

Us lot in Newbury can live happily ever after !

PROBLEM ; We have not got any security to get a loan and without it no fuckers going to touch us with a barge pole.

I KNOW - we'll push through the CG redevelopment and let the lender put a debenture over it and lend us some money so we wont have to show anybody what's REALLY been going on over the last 4/5 years.


WELL CONGRATULATION YOU BUNCH OF TOSSERS - ITS THE MOST TRANSPARANT THING YOU HAVE DONE IN YOUR TENURE

I disagree Fred, I feel that the board have now realised there mistakes and are now going full out to get a redevelopment sorted out with the aim of stabalising the club. I no longer feel that any of this trust / consortium / orange revolution malaki is required.

Go the Board!!

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

 Revisionist lapdog....you'll be first against the wall.

You know sometimes mate, your christian values about forgiveness humble me.

It must be because it's Christmas  :wink:

Look at it from the other direction, Fred.

STFC do not own the CG land (or most of the existing stadium come to that). Who are the landlords? The council.

The current lease has only a few years to run. What is this regime's track record with the council? Fucking shite. They are a very poor tenant with late payments on rent and rates, as well as owing the council via the CVA (in the £900k I would think). We also have the previous stadium fiascos which don't endear the club to many councillors.

I can't see the council taking them seriously about any CG redevelopment proposals to be honest. I'm pretty certain that when renewal time does come that the council will not offer them a long lease (that would be required by any property developer).

Nope, the only way they are going to get a redevelopment is to buy the site from the council at market rates. Hmmm. Do you think they have got any money or any investors who would seriously consider a partnership with them with their history of outstanding business acumen?

Only one thing to add then.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Alan

2 weeks ago I would have agreed with you whole heartedly, but Bowden's track record and relationships with SBC change the dynamics IMO.

As you know I voiced my concerns on Monday night and for me the game plan is clear.

I have been in Norwich today but the mobile has been non stop all the way home. People are upset and quite frankly fucking scared of what this bloke is fucking up to.

I will stand toe to toe and fight these fuckers till my last breath

And I will fight alongside you brother!  :D

And I will fight directly behind both of you!!

Andrew H has added some redeveloped stadium simulation stills and a video to the Trust web page to give an idea of what the ground could look like. Ace.

http://www.truststfc.co.uk/CG_main.php

Techi

Ace work Andrew !!!!!!!!

 8)  8)  8)  8)

They are quality. The video is nice.

The door opening at the end cracked me up for some reason. Then when heading in to the crazy conference room I thought that the fan entrances on the arkells through the window were actually beer taps. That made the whole thing a bit dissapointing to me.

I notice the police control room has gone in those plans. Would in re-located over near the Arkells?

No

To the CGH !

 :D

hope not!

can we change teh arkells seats, they look total shit!

 :roll:

Henri Lloyd boy !

wont make much difference to you anyway as you still need to take a cushion to see

Im no lad, bloody cushions! id love a cushion, had enough of not seeing teh shit weve played the past few years.  I will bring a crate for the photo tomoz!

The clubs point of view. I spoke to Ben Lambert at the club today earlier today and we put this out. http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=42129

Bowden To Get Swindon New Stadium


Bowden`s main focus is to ensure that the club remains in the borough of Swindon and more specifically at the County Ground site.

Fucking Hell Gary

I know you are a mate but ................................

Fucking Hell !!!!!

This is Bullshit !!!!!

The club has been working with Swindon Borough Council for many months now in securing a new modern Stadium at the County Ground site that will enable the club to progress forward by raising money through non match day activities.

YOU BUNCH OF LYING CUNTS

WE WILL GET YOU OUT YOU FUCKING LYING CROOKS

REST ASSURED

Gary your work with the Trust and ties with the club with this Vital stuff strikes me as a conflict of interests.

The vital site I have to be impartial, non politcal etc. I stepped back from the Trust as the Trust guys can testify. Part of my Vital Football contract is to be fair and impartial which I like to think I am.

smells a bit fishy to me Gaz,have you been got at?

Fuck me Gary

You may have to be impartial but you haver not missed a game this season home or away, which is more than most of us can say.

You are a massive fan..................I ask you this question ;

The website

OR

Your beliefs


Your choice my friend

Andy

For those of you who didn't/can't get hold of today's Adver, I thought I would bash the editorial in for your perusal as it isn't online.

Well done Editor Mark Waldron. Very well said.

Swindon Advertiser Comment

Wednesday 13th December 2006

The sort of plan you can trust in

TRUST STFC's discussion document about the future of the County Ground site is a heartening vision of a rosy future.

It appears to combine an acknowledgement of commercial realities with a true appreciation of what the club means to its fans and its home town.

The authors belong to an organisation that cherishes the club and wants to keep it in Swindon.

There are plenty of people who will read the details and raise a wary or even weary eyebrow.

They will do so not through contempt but because a distressing number of plans for the ground have been proposed by various organisations over the years and eventually come to nothing.

Scarcely have proposals been made before they have dissolved into argument and deadlock.

Perhaps these suggestions are different though, because they come from the people who love the club most of all.

Perhaps the sheer dedication of Trust STFC will inspire all parties, not to mention the general public, to take a serious and constructive attitude to discussion.

After all, time is running out.

FFS, guys. All Gary's trying to do is run a fans' website! Tho I would agree the BS from Lambert was hardly "non-political"

I will say the Trust proposals are good. And lets all hope they work and Im sure it goes without saying whether it be the football club, trust, supporters club, the fans, residents etc will all want to be behind them etc and if some people dont agree with what is said etc and can fix it by all means get together and sort it out.

NON POLITICAL ?

It was fucking shocking Paul

As a Trust board member I may well be putting myself up to be shot down but quite frankly after the phone calls I have had today off of real fans, I really dont give a fuck.

It is the time to start turning the screw and I for one will do that

Just a tip fred, but after many unsuccessful attempts at DIY I can honestly say that the best way of turning screws is with the use of a screw driver.

I hope that helps.

 I agree... Stanley has to go with the Board

Why ?

Nah

This is what I am talking about


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/FredElliot_2006/torture.jpg

Sorry Reg

Got it now

Been a long day !!!!!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Well I took it as Reg meaning the trust board. Are you proposing a trust coup Reg?

Normally I'd be well up for that sort of thing however this is definately a time for fan unity, so at the moment it's probably better to get involved with the trust and then take it over from the inside.

now i for one believe fb got a heck of a lot less funny once he reaslied the members of the townend found him amusing and tried to be funny in every single post. it gets boring, it simply doesn't work

but that sir is fucking hilarious

 Trot trot Trotsky.

I'll admit that I realised the exact same thing a while ago but forgot how I was funny in the first place so thought I'd plow on anyhow.

I'm over the moon you found that funny though Mr. Boeta.

You sugesting we kill pauld with an ice pick? wait that's the wrong way around isn't it.

You'd be hard pushed to kill an ice-pick by sticking me through it's head tho wouldn't you?

are you threatening my friend Picky the spastic Ice Pick paul?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/flammableben/pick.jpg

How could you want to harm that lovable pick?

hMMM.....These proposals were put together and handed over to the board in....March time?

and after the months and months of hard work (according to the article on Gazza's site) they have achieved


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Brilliant  :roll:

 They'll be after you mate....probably just need a tooth pick though.

He needs to be in a chair in all honesty

Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick That cheered me up after the shit evening Ive had  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Whereas Paul's a lovable prick. Or just a prick. I suppose it depends on preference.

 :wink:

Surely that's separating the South Stand from the Town End?

I took that to mean the bit in the corner behind the stand or incorparated into the stand itself. Don't know if that's right though?

I'd guess that it would be incorparated into the corner of the stand. Best place for the top class views of the roundabout and firestation.

Actually looking through it again the conference facilities double up as exec boxes so they are built into the stand. It does as though the hotel will be ON the magic roundabout though  :soapy tit wank:

It all makes sense, you just have to realise that the trust are making use of another 3 dimensions. I think they've failed to mention that with the current plans you can check in to the hotel on a Monday and come out last wednesday. However I'm sure it's something that can be overcome.

So only a small part of the hotel will be under the stand, and we'll be extending the hotel out towards the magic roundabout? Will that take up a substantial part of the car park?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to picture it

I think it's going to be a floating hotel over the magic roundabout, ajoined to the exec boxes in the stand. I hope that helps.

boeata is such a unt on evey possible levewl

Eh ?

 :beers:  :beers:

you starting cuntboy elliot

and stanley is a reet club arslickerr

Fuck off and let me get some work done otherwise I am going to get the sack and then Ill come round your house everyday and blame you !

manage some accounts then innit :wink:  :mrgreen:

Im fucking trying to

Somehow I think I got this all the wrong way round

I end up doing Trust stuff all day long then come home and work till 2 or 3 on my day job

I must be some kind of spastic

Self recognition of the fact is the first step towards recovery of spacticitis though fred  :wink:

But KUTGW on behalf of all us fans.

And before I forget, to get this thread back on topic, I think the Trust proposals look highly professional and well thought out. I'm very impressed so far with all the work done, so pat yourselves firmly on the back and have a cold one. A pound well spent me thinks.

KUTGW ?

You kidding me Fred? Oh OK then, Keep Up The Good Work

Have another smoke...

Sorry

was a fucking long day !

I bought the Adver on the way home tonight and have just read all of the shite in the back pages.

So sorry about this:

PERSONAL OPINION AND RANT ALERT...

How can Smarmes criticise the Trust's proposals when the board "liked" them when they first saw them back in the summer?

And what is all this bullshit from Smarmes?

He said: “We’re building improving relationships between the football club and the local authority.

“From what I’m hearing they’ve been a little bit strained over the years.

“That is mended and we’re sewn together."

Is it now? Don't talk bollocks. "Sewn together"? What, with Crazy String? I suppose "building improving relationships" (sic) is doubletalk for "the council deemed to open our begging letters".

“We have to be seen to be part of the Swindon community and I hope I can play a small part in achieving that.”

"If we lose our community, we lose our club."

I think you might have already achieved that one, pal.

“Five weeks later I find myself on the board with responsibility for stadium development, either here, well we all hope here, but if it doesn’t work here we would look elsewhere.”

Ah. So you will move the club somewhere else then. Might that be on an old farm in Hungerford, perhaps?

All from http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/News_Headlines_Story.asp?NewsID=6142

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/swindonnewsheadlines/display.var.1076566.0.stadium_will_give_athletics_club_a_boost.php

Good! More backing! :mrgreen:

Just heard Bowelmovement talking on the Beeb about the stadium redevelopments again.

It's all bullshit.

What a tosser.

I am so angry I am going to go and punch my next door neighbour.  :evil:

is Bodwen your next door neighbour?

No, but I dislike him to the same intensity.

   Its a bit frightening how easy it is to loathe the sight and sound of the likes of Smarmes and Blodwyn.

  The idea of them being round the club, for any longer than next to no time, is a thought too horrible to comprehend. :angry:

what did he say, anything new? or was it a rehash of his misguided quotes he made after literally looking at the front page?

just the normal 'fatal flaw' quote and that talks with the council are at an advanced stage (but not at an application subbmited stage).

Find the interviews here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/sport/index.shtml

By "advance" I assume they mean they have looked up the phone number of the council offices on Yell.com

By Council does he mean someone he knows there and they've had a drunken "that would be fucking great if you could create a cat that can fly" type of chat?

The ward councillors have not had any input or communication from the club since, well ever.

The Lesiure dept gang headed by Tomlinson had not heard from them since the start of the season prior to early October, and even then I'm not sure if any meeting actually took place (even though it was the Council who called for one on the basis it might be nice to see if they still wanted to develop the ground).

Scotch mist, Rob.

Ermmmmmmmmm

Ships? ..................... I see no Ships !

I see no STFC development plans, either.  :D

Errrrrmmmmmmmmm


Plagurism ?

(sp ? oh fuck it ...................tried 4 times, was a late night last night !)

The fact that the athletics club seem to be on board can only help i would imagine

And the cricket club were also ok about it.

It must be because somebody took the trouble to ask them what they thought before the proposals were drawn up.

Just like the residents, the council, the local politicians, the MP and anybody else who would be affected by a redevelopment.

Obviously flawed though.  :roll:

but the plans were actually handed over to the board.

They were orginally done as a helping hand, rather than a we're taking over...if that makes sense....

Shame, others put in the hard work...to help the board...then they claim what was put together is flawed.

Not as flawed as the Shaw Tip proposals thats for sure!!! :roll:

Well if nothing else by making this rather ill considered statement they have  bolloxed their chances of plagurising anything from the Trust plan.  Now let me see how much faith do we have in them to believe they will produce a fully thought out plan in January (mind you they didnt say which January) which has the backing of the local Councillors the MP and other relevant interested parties?

Answers on a postcard to Lala Land Newbury.

i had a curry just off where there offices are today....think i might go and make a deposit tomorrow morning  :mrgreen:

LOVE YOU LOT (but not in a gay way)

I was going to post this about an hour ( and several beers) ago as a new thread but couldn't figure out how to post a new thread; I sent a PM to FE asking for advise quite randomly; obviousely he's a lazy cunt who who has nothing better to to do than his day job, typing minutes, standing up for his fellow fans and all the other stuff a non propper fan does: What I wanted to say b4 i got pissed was (basicly i love your sentiments but all other threads have been bogged down with nittpicking):

I have absolute respect for many of the users of this site because:

1: LOUD AND PROUD no need to comment on this - club approved:
Although at time i was more quiet and ashamed as (i've got a lot of time for iffy and what,  given proper support from the board, he could have acheive) the reasons for his appt, given by our CE (SG) were (a) he's not on sick (AR) (b) we don't have a clue about football as MDs still at QPR (ok i'm reading between the lines here) and (c) he's cheap

2. Stadium proposal: Exactly what, as a residant of swindon, I want.  And what, as a supporter of STFC, I want.

3. ORANGE: lovely idea well done

Never forget that you are in the right.

Never forget that you are trying to ensure that my children will have a club to support

Never forget that a cunt is a good thing (and you're all cunts!)

Hello

to post a new thread go to the section you want and click the new topic button topish left.Nice use of "cunt" you will fit in well.

The button looks like http://www.thetownend.com/forum/templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/post.gif

If that help. welcome btw

A song for the board.

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

Errrm ................. still waiting for it

The adver today reports that 71% of adver readers are behind the Trusts stadium plans.

Good news!

more fans than you can shake a stick at.

Swindon Advertiser

Councillors believe Trust’s ideas offer way forward

Stadium Proposals Are Given Support

Monday 18th December 2006

A SUPPORTERS’ group’s plan to redevelop the County Ground has met with the approval of Swindon Council’s Central ward councillors.

Last week Trust STFC put forward a blueprint to increase the stadium capacity to 20,000 people and build a new sports centre on land currently occupied by Swindon Cricket Club.

Coun Michael Dickinson (Con, Central) was full of praise for the work. He said “I have spoken to them and find their proposals extremely positive.

“I know they have had numerous meetings with the club and I fully support their ideas.”

In last Thursday’s Adver, Swindon Town director, Mike Bowden dismissed the trust’s blueprint as having a ‘fatal flaw’.

But Coun Dickinson said the council was waiting to hear what the club was proposing.

He said: “I actually contacted the planning department and they haven’t received anything from the club, so it’s interesting to hear that they have a similar idea.

“We held a party meeting at the Broad Green Centre a few months ago and people from the Trust spoke to all the residents about the framework.

“I have had good feedback in the ward because they have gone to the trouble of speaking to community groups at length.

“The last football club proposal had housing scattered all over the green spaces, whereas this does not, which seems to be a very positive feature.”

Coun Bob Wright (Labour, Central), said: “It’s so nice that a group is working with the football club’s future in mind.

“My only reservations, and I held them all along, are that the green spaces around the County Ground should not be built upon and traffic problems for residents should not increase.

“The Trust needs to consider the local community at all times and it seems that they have been doing that.

“I hope the Trust and the football club can will find a way to work together, because in the end they are both working for the same thing.”

Fellow ward councillor Sinead Darker (Con, Central) said: “I would welcome anything that is going to improve the Central ward area for residents.

“I would also welcome a proposal that helped the football club out of its present situation.”

All sounding very positive http://www.acidtrax.net/smileys/crossfingers.gif

(I think we need to add the fingers crossed smiley)

The ward cllrs & local residents have been involved all the way with these plans which is why we are happy with what they are putting forward.

I know there will be a few unhappy people (you will never please 100% of the people 100% of the time) - but it is very positive so far, just wish the club were on board with the plans

...and you could please confirm the last time anyone had any contact with the football club re: stadium plans?

Excellent response from the councillors, well done to all involved!!

The future really is bright....

And very orange! :mrgreen:

At last some good news RE the development of the CG.  With all due respect to the plans and all involved I really didn't think that setting up some decent dialogue with all parties involved was rocket science in terms of finding a solution.  Some decent discussion a bit of common sense and hey presto even SBC seem happy.  Fair play to all parties on this one.

excellent responce there from the council.

what i'm happy about is the fact the trust has spoken to the residents surrounding the CG and asked there opinions with what they would be happy with etc.

this is a positive step as we need these people on our side.

i'm feeling a slight surge in optomism in the fact the club we all support/love could actually be moving in the right direction and not into obscurity