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how about fans refuse to enter the ground until 3.10
not tommorow but next week maybe.
or miss a home game alltogether.i know the club may lose some revenue but the money situation is fucked anyway!

I agree, we gotta get them out NOW

And what does this achieve ?

well I guess they want to show the board they fed up of being messed around .. an organised Demo outside the Arkells at the end of the game is surely a better move as it doesnt affect the players as such?

Pointless and unachievable. Why should the team have to suffer?

maybe not my idea but we need to do something surely?

whats happened now??? im lost

The way forward is for more fans to join the trust and throw support behind Mike Wilks in his efforts to engineer a take over.  Direct action may be neccessary when there is some kind of concrete proposal on the table, but as things stand.....we could go the way of Accrington Stanley, Aldershot, Maidstone or Newport.   This is that serious.

Agreed Reg. there is no point protesting to remove anyone until plan B is in place.

Besides which, the team need us.

  Without being over dramatic next week becomes hugely important, if we could beat Morcambe, which although doable will be difficult, and get a plumb away game, it could keep the club going till the end of the season.

Whats going on have i missed something?

I feel in the dark on this one too.......
why are we getting Geoffrey Boycott in?

 The shit that some of us have been predicting for a while has hit the fan big time.....technically we could be shut down, but will probably be able to see the season out....after that who knows.

to do with cva payments?

Why are you even talking about a boycott?

We are 3rd in the league with a great new manager and things are looking up at last - Do you have some sick desire to fuck this football club up? If you do go support the scum you idiots!

 We have a decent manager, but how long will he be around.....the last one buggered off sharpish when he saw  the shambles in the boardroom.

  Our standing in tjhe league is of little relevance when compared to the seriousness of this issue.....we may be out of all football by the end of the season.

I think you are missing the point.  Not paying a CVA can result in the almost immediate liquidation of the club, to also lie about that to shareholders would normally end in open revolt, even for big companies.

I think a few people have noted about ensuring any action wouldn't be negative towards the team.

Except according to BBC RS we haven't made the last CVA payment of £100K and have asked for more time to do so (and more time to pay the £900K in July 07). This is despite being told we were up to date with payments and could see no reason why future commitments could not be met.

So no they aren't looking up really for long term stability.

We agree that boycotting isn't they way to go.

thats why i said maybe go in late.
no desire to fuck this club up,i want it to stay around for years to come.
idiots for showing we're fucked off to the hilt?


like i said its just an idea to get fans minds ticking,i'm sure someone will come up with a far better idea than me

Well why didnt you say that in the first place  :-))(

Still like you say Batch, boycotting is not the way forward - no money to pay CVA + boycott game and lose club money = afford the CVA  OBVIOUSLY!  some people honestly!!  :doh:

its a boycott of sorts.read the top post!
i'd rather do something than continue doing nothing and the club go under anyway.

boycott...boycott of sorts....still a boycott - still a stupid idea.

If you want to be helpful find a way of helping the club financially or come up with an idea to allow them to help themselves.

Everbody moaning about it wont help matters it'll only pull the board and the fans apart even more - why not try and see it from their point of view and try to find a way of helping?!

I can give them lessons in telling the truth.  Being shit is no excuse for giving out false information.

Did they actually say they had PAID the last CVA payment?

Or did they say that they had made sufficient plans to deal with it?

Paid

 From Pravda....this week.

  f. AR asked if all CVA/rate/rent payments were up to date. SG advised that all current commitments have been met.

if you think its a stupid idea then other fans will. therefore it probably wouldn't work as all fans need to work together for the good of the club.

just wanted to put ideas in peoples heads and think we could do something!

Can you quote because it was my understanding they simply suggested they had made plans to deal with it.

If i'm wrong then I can understand peoples frustration, but at present I dont see why everyone is so quick to jump on their back!

Very carefully worded that. The CVA is up to date because "current commitments ..met" could mean the last payment has been delayed with agreement.

But on the flip side the commitment has not been paid, and no agreement has been finalized to deffer it.

At the very least they hid the full truth.

also asked verbally at the AGM, and peviously in meetings

Dont get me wrong I see all your points about it not being right but at the end of the day they can only work with the info they have and at the time of the last payment, if they had a plan to deal with it then they are free to say its under control - If that plan then fucks up (as it appears it now has) then they have to take 2 steps back and start again at finding a solution to the problem (as they are doing)

Wheres the problem in that?

They said they were up to date with all payments both at the AGM and in the meeting with fans earlier this week. Even if they had come clean about it though, the fact is that you just don't mess with a CVA like this, especially not when the payment in question (now nearly 6 months late) is a Crown debt, due to the revenue. They are gambling the future of our club.

And where's Bill Power's £1.2 million gone? And the money from the Bryan Adams concert? Increased gate receipts? Wise pay-off?

what can we as fans do?

How about a new orleans jazz funeral march. Like the one in Live and Let Die.

How much do we pay our players?
Manager?
Management staff?
Ground Rent?
Catering Bills?
Ground Maintenance?
Shop staff?
Ticket staff?
Stewards?
etc. etc. etc.

Unless you know the pressures of the job, you, like myself, will have no idea where the monies you question have gone.

I think the point is that paying the cva should take priority over all those things.

Any protest should be by more political means, i.e through the trust and SHOULD NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DISRUPT THE PLAYERS OR NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM.

We have a good chance of going back up this season, and I dont want anything to get in the way of that.  Whilst the board may be fucking with the long term future of the club, we as fans, should be doing all we can to make sure that the short term future is as bright as we can make it - ie total support for both the players and sturrock to get us out of this shitty league.

quite, in a frank style, everyone else can fucking wait, the CVA can't.

Miss paying the wages = annoyed people, miss the CVA = liquidation and no business to run

So pay the CVA but get further into problems by not keeping up the regular bills?

yes.

yes, that's right, you are getting there.

The fucking CVA is number one priority over everything else.

If the CVA isn't met the club is liable to be wound up.

How can any other problem become a higher priority than that?

Anyhoo this is the how do we protest thread. there's allready a cva one.

New Orleans Jazz Funeral like in Live and Let die!!! Who can play brass instruments?

Absolutely. We cannot afford to disrupt the players

I see your frustration but solving one mistake by making another is simply stupid.

I agree certain things could maybe be delayed such as wages for a week or two, but there are certainly other things which can not!

I agree that the CVA is the priority dont get me wrong and I am not trying to start a war, but I would rather have this kind of debate about where the monies should be spent than I would moan about the board being shit.

At the end of the day its a combination thing - there isnt enough money to pay everything and the staff that are dealing with it are not well enough equipped (in my opinion) to find a way to resolve it with current funding.

So how can we help? consortium? New backer? however it is, surely it is better to spend our time as fans finding out if there is any way we can help to make these things happen?

paying the cva will not be a mistake for fuck sake

My reference explained (if this helps) meant that paying the CVA by not paying everything else isnt going to help in the long term!

Why do we even have this problem with the CVA now? because we fucked up our finances so bad in the past - so why do it again?!

and I am good man.  I spent several hours helping the Trust develop ground development proposals and have met with the club on a few occasions to discuss these sorts of things when asked to.  I also registered with the Trust and offer my services to them whenever possible as well as attending meetings etc.

CVA payments should be paid before the tax man.  tax man comes a close 2nd mind, then you deal with bills and all other debts.  You put off everything to pay it and deal with that shit, not the this shit.

Plus we have had 5 months, had Powers money onboard just before the due date, have had money from Leeds etc etc.

i give up i really do.IF WE DO NOT PAY THE CVA THERE WILL BE NO LONG TERM FOR THIS CLUB

I understand you point mate so dont get so arsey - I know we need to pay the CVA and I dont have any queries with that being the long term future of the club - but unless you know all the facts then you cannot make sweeping comments over the matter.

They had said they had a plan to deal with it - that plan appears to have fallen through - now they have to come up with a new one - simply sitting down and saying here you go here is the money is obviously not an option on the table or any right minded person 9and that included this current board) would do it!

You'd like to think so wouldn't you? But can you seriously trust a single word they say on the financial situation any more? There's over 1.5 million came into this club over the summer just from Bill Power and Bryan Adams, leaving aside increased gate receipts etc. If they couldn't find 100k from that for the CVA payment, where the hell did it go? And no it didn't go on stewards

I used to 'sit on the fence' over these types of issues but I have to say that the current regime are doing nothing to keep my sitting there - they are nudging me over more and more. Coupled with the fact that you are conversing with many more 'distinguished' posters who are showing their frustration, this does sound like a real mess and if people want to criticise the  board, I am starting to agree with their comments.

Thats your right to feel that way, if I feel differently and my opinions are different then I mean no offense in the way that my opinions have been laid out.

I just want to help the club rather than moan at them thats all, and I am not in any way suggesting that any other poster should feel the exact same way i do - we are all different - we can all debate - thats why we are here.  I just want to use this constructively to try to help thats all and I hope that majority will do the same too

I agree and dont condone a single thing the board have done.

If it were my decision (which it is not) then the whole setup would have an overhaul but I dont know enough (like most on here) to make any more informed judgements on the way the bills are paid other than what appear to be the glaringly obvious raw facts that you have stated.

I used to have similar opinions worcester, but over the last 6 months I've been pushed further and further into thinking that the current board of STFC have been and still are incompetant. I still dont buy into all of the conspiracy shit about a certain greek man, but something needs to give and something needs to give soon.  I joined the trust a month ago and urge anyone who hasn't and gives a shit about STFC to do so as well.

Piemonte - Now thats what I mean, its fair enough to have your views whichever way they are for the board - but if you want to do anything about it thentake action

I too agree that if you are a fan and care about what happens then join up and do what you can.

That will be why the membership has risen to over 600 from around 200 in the past few weeks.  It's also why people have indeed been trying to fin ways to sort things out once and for all - Ground development, Consortium idea.

And the fact they dropped the price.

Agree completely and i for one am glad to see more people switch on to the idea of helping wherever they can.

Just hope that more and more join and a serious progression can be made

i'll sign up to the trust tommorow if i can at the ground.

 :wink:

My question to you Sharkey is you keep talking about action and helping the situation, what have you actually done? are you a member of the trust? have you donated any money to the club? or do you just prefer to staunchley defend the board on an internet forum whilst encourgaing everyone else to act  :|

My actions as a fan have been to attend every game this season.

My actions to help the club however outside of those 90 minutes, i can not discuss as I am not at liberty to.

I am however unable to join the Trust, but I fully support those that wish to do so to help the club.

May I ask what you are doing to help stfctownenda?

I am a member of the trust and have attending all of the consortium meetings so unfortunately you have not caught me out I am actively trying to help keep this club going, I also have attended alot of games this season.  For me I am starting to see a connection between yourself and this board, arise Bob holt  :D

I am not intending to catch you out, merely asking the same of you as you have of me? Is that so wrong?

And I can assure you that I am not Bob Holt, I do not work for the club and I have no current affiliation with the Board or any part of Swindon Town FC, nor do I infact even live in Swindon.

Are you Maverick from thisis?

 Not living in Swindon....supporting the club or owning any shares is prime evidence for being linked to Newbury.

  There are any number of  cyber board apologists on thisis.....excuse me for thinking you might be one that has slipped over here.

I do not post on the This is site.

I prefer to have a serious debate if at all posible.

 :D

What is wrong is you defending a board saying there just doing there best when something far more sinister is going on, we have had too many years of this club being run this way, Sir Seton has done tremendous bailing us out but his choice of staff leave alot to be desired, you have a right to an opinion but I find it very hard to believe you have in no way a connection with the current regime, this football club is ours, the fans and we will not let them destroy it  :x

Sorry if that came across wrong, but I do have a slight affiliation in that I AM a Swindon fan and have been all my life.

I meant that I have no affiliation with the running of STFC...sorry

Possibly the most stupidest idea ever!, we're fucked in the money dept so i know let's all not go and pay money into the Club to watch the game.  :roll:

if people went in late the club would still be getting its money from us.the lied to mugs!
the last thing i would want is a negative affect on the team though so have changed my mind through the course of the afternoon.after reading others input into the thread i feel that the trust way is the way for us supporters to go.they truly have the clubs best interests at heart.

my first post was a bit of a knee jerk reaction but we supporters need to make a stand in one way or another!

I think you need to explain this statement in a little more detail. Surely membership of the trust is open to everyone. What prevents you from joining?

Until you provide compelling evidence as to why you can't join the trust, rumours will abound.

I'm not attacking you as you make some valid points in other posts, but we need to know the truth. Out yourself Sharky  :wink:

Could I ask why you are unable to join the Trust? And that's not laying down a gauntlet or anything - quite happy for you to PM me with the reasons why if you can't or don't want to say why publicly?

And on the more general point, can we get off the "I've done more than you've done" bit - it doesn't help anyone. We all do what we can as fans, as Trust members to help the club. Obviously, personally I feel the best way for fans to help move things forward is to join the Trust, back the Fans' Consortium, etc but this shouldn't become a "holier than thou" thing if people choose not to. If Sharky's got reasons why he prefers not to join the Trust, that's fair enough. Although I would point out that being a Trust member does make you immeasurably more attractive to the opposite sex disclaimer: some or all of the preceding statement may not be literally correct in the "likely to be presented as fact at an STFC AGM" sense of the word

I'm fuckin lost ere!

Sharkey, if you have no affilliation with the club other than being a fan, why do you imply you DO have an affinity.
You state above quote"My actions to help the club outside those 90 minutes, i cannot discuss as i am not at liberty too"end quote
WFF does that mean?
And
Quote"I am however, unable to join the trust, but fully support those that do who wish to help the club"End Quote
Why Not? Why cant you join?

The CVA takes priority!...FACT
Everything else should be re-structured AGAIN...FACT
We have been lied to and mis-lead.....AGAIN.....FACT

I'll go with whatever action the trust deems appropriate and would urge those that are not members to SIGN UP NOW!


Millom

I am affiliated with a different body of professionals that prevents my joining as a member of the trust - and thank you pauld for being one of those who's arguements and opinions are always well placed.

MAybe sharky is a player :soapy tit wank:

Can our's read and write? :mrgreen:

Millom

If I was a player then I should be sacked cause I have been on here way too long when I should be training!

I'm not though, so alas, no problem with my job security!   :)

Regardless of who I am and who I work for or with I am happy to see that people such as Arriba have changed there mind to the knee jerk reaction of a boycott.

It seems some peoples view of you arriba are a little misplaced perhaps, with the fact that you are at least able to listen to a debate and are prepared to be swayed by another suggestion if you feel it is right.

struggling to think of a professional body that would stop someone from joining a supporters trust! :?

Possibly the auditors - it would compromise his independence to join the Trust. Being an auditor would also be an excellent way to get an inside view on how the club is being run.

Me too STA..... MI5-MI6- MAYBE :mrgreen:

And Sharkey, all arriba did was make a suggestion. I would'nt go puffing your pipe thinking you have swayed him.
Incidently, what fuckin footballer would be training at 6.08pm the nite before a game!!!DOH :nuts:

Millom

sharkey didn't sway me but his posts were certainly interesting reading.my change of mind is more or less down to the adverse effect a boycott could have on the team.

Instead of a boycott, maybe we could do what they do in italy and just turn our back on the game. Or What I have seen Real (fascist) madrid fans do, wave white hankies to show their displeasure. Anyone know any mega rich people?

Whatever happened to the rumour that Richard Branson wanted to buy us? (or did i dream that) :?

it we wanted to make our feelings clear with out disrupting the players at all, the best thing to do would be to sit in afterwards....

I think I signed up to the Trust the other week. Maybe not. I signed something and paid a pound. I've probably just registered as a sex offender or somethign sinister though.

Since the club Auditors are in Newbury...you can rule that one out !!!

Yes and they are basd at the same address as Dunwoody

Funny that

 Again not true Bort....the company address and auditors address is the same,  don't forget the auditor refused to sign off the 03 /04 accounts as a true record.

Aren't Hacker Young based in London with other satellite offices, none of which are in Newbury?

http://www.uhy-uk.com/pages/about/our-offices.php

http://www.uhy-uk.com/pages/people/london/andrew-andronikou.php

 Auditors are Ross Brooke 21/22 Park Way Newbury, which is also the address of the registered office of STFC.

 Can't we get Whits to do a Watergate stylee break in to dig some dirt  :twisted:

OK, got the auditors and administrators mixed up :)

Ross Brooke is listed by companies house at Wood Street, Old Town. Put on some dark clothes and balaclava agent Reg, you're going in!

So now I am confused, why does the club and the auditor Newbury office share an address? It can't be shananigans given they refused to sign off the accounts.

that would be mad, they had enough trouble getting 1500 hereford fans through the door before 3.30 and they turned up on time, we wouldn't get in till the second half  :D

  Yep  I know where that is, but in the accounts it appears to be the Newbury branch.....just to be on the safe side, there is a man who even as we speak is probably an ajoining wall away from that office....the name's Ben....Flammable Ben.

For your info...

It is fairly usual for a business to have their registered address as the auditors/accountants address as all the documents can pass through them first.

This is the case with my company - a lot of our clients are registered at our Swindon office, but obviously do not operate out of it.

Indeed Simon. Registered Office is "usually" the accountant's address. I don't think Dunwoody operate out of that office - in fact I'm sure they don't.

And the intonation that the auditors are not completely straight by Bart is very unlikely. You might find the odd "flexible" accountants but it is much more unlikely with registered auditors. Their integrity is their business and they will face huge personal liabilities if they try any sort of fraud. Hence the qualification on the last set of accounts.

I signed up last night using the link on their website and paid a pound by Paypal.
However, my paypal account is in my wifes name so she is now a member and i'm not.  :cry:

Ginginho, if you PM me your real name, your missus' name and the email address the PayPal account is registered in, I'll change it into your name

It's only a quid Ginginho, maybe you can sign up as well as your wife

Go back to your village you idiot. How important is 1 promotion from division 4 in comparison to a 125 year club?