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http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/News_Headlines_Story.asp?NewsID=5972

Thought this deserved a new thread.

never a truer word spoken.

devlin is a genius.i would never have thought that was why wise left :?

Roy Evans Era + Colin Todd Era = Dennis Wise Era.

Is Devlin telling it how it is or shit stirring? Probably both. Either way I still like the guy!

Well we guessed it, this is the first time someone from the club has said it.

I always thought "cerement" was a pretty true word.

Interesting time for devlin to say something. Interesting it says about the necessity of having the clauses in the contracts.

he isnt really at the club no more is he though and he will be gone soon.

He's still there now and probably knows a damn sight better than us lot what's been going on.

Devlin = top bloke !Get well soon mate :king:

not one member of board went to see him in hospital and a member of staff was sacked for passing on information to him.im not saying i dont like the bloke but i get the feeling he is picking and choosing what he wants to say.there are alot of questions people have wanted devlin to answer recently but he has not been able to do it as he is in hospital.he is still in hospital but can manage a statement defending his decision to allow wise and poyet to have the clauses in the contracts which he agreed to.it sounds like im having a pop but i have a feeling this is going to get nastier with people trying to score points of eachother

what a load of bollocks. they would have gone anyway.
as of yet devlin hasn't spoken publicly of the boards concerns regarding himself!
everything stinks

Agree with you for once arriba :nod:

devlin didn't need to make those comments.someone else seeking brownie points?

I think Mark's just put the final nail in his own coffin.

I have to say Piemonte .. you are very pro board .. can you explain your reasons please? Im just curious ... maybe i have it wrong?

I think you'll find they buried it about 2 weeks ago anyway.  he knows the situation I'm sure.

I know which side of the fence I'd come down on if given the option between two sides.  Whatever he may or may not have done, he was the only bloke who knew anything about football.  he's retained a general diginity by not talking about it in public.

if thats a reason why he left, what an idiot. his job is manage the players not the whole club.

...but if those running the club are as inept as general concensus would have us believe, then are you surprised?

speaking from the grave spooky!

No No No No No.

I am not pro board. I am pro formulating my own opinions and not being a sheep. Frankly the whole situatuion that has unfolded in the month or so has been a disgrace.

However I refuse to jump on board (!) the bandwagon and believe everything I read on here and believe that everything is a case of black and white.  

The notion that you and others have made that Dunwoody sports marketing are somehow creaming money off stfc to me is just plain stupid. Firstly - there is no evidence. Secondly - Since when has STFC been some profit generating machine?  

Crowds are up fair enough. but ticket prices are down obviously meaning that revenues from a 7,500 crowd are lower this season than the few we had last season.

Wages are (or were) up. This may not be true of the playing side but was certainly true of the backroom staff. Wise, Poyet, Tuttle, keeper coach and Lee must cost a fortune compared to a backroom staff of Iffy, Reeves & Woan.  Not to mention the cost of the players eating together after training and all the other proffessional things Wise rightly insisted on. Before Wise came in the club was being run on a shoestring budget. it is now not. Does an extra 2,000 paying on average £15 on the crowd cover that? probablly not - hence projected £750k overspend. And whos fault is that?  Saints Mark Devlin and Bill Power seemed to pretty much running the club at the time, yet everyone still loves them?

On the other hand though, I'd very much like to get my hands on some accounts and see what is going on and whether Diamandis claim regarding the clubs balance sheet is even remotley true. I'd like the club to have a finance director that can do percentages. I'd like the principal shareholder not to tell the fans to shut the fuck up.

All is not black and white. Without the facts it is grey.

Sandy Grey surely! Good response Piemonte .. I can understand where you come from a bit better now

Erm, well it was Diamandis that brought Wise and Poyet to the club, and he claims to have personally negotiated their deal, so I don't see how you can blame Devlin/Power for the major chunk of the wage increase in terms of backroom staff. Newbury can't have it both ways on this.

And players eating together is peanuts (not the meals) in the context of an alleged overspend of £750k.


And on that you are absolutely bang on the money (however much of it there may be)

I hope there’s something from Wise’s departure that will eventually instigate the removal of the Newbury connection from the club and Sandy Gray’s removal from the board of directors then we can finally look to move onwards and build for the future.

It’s like a merry-go-round at the moment going round in cycles every couple of seasons.  We’ve reached the same situation as we did last season albeit after a far brighter start and better team and yet for one reason or another here we are again.

I’d now expect a week or so to pass with the usual management suspects being speculated about in the press.  The club will announce a statement and comments that they are inviting applications (sitting on their hands) and Tuttle has opportunity to impress.  Week later the job will be Tuttle’s until the end of the season.

Given that it was the Will’s desire to replace Iffy with Dennis I hope the events of the this week will finally be their epiphany.

HEAR HEAR!!

I Totally endorse what Dazzza is saying !

 :clap:  :toppost:

Not often you get to read the word "epiphany" on this (or any other) board. Nice one Dazza. Now try ecumenical.

I think Devlin just wanted to get it in before the board had a chance to blame him for it...

Seen as Devlin has all ready made his comments public the board will have to use their other scape goat.

I expect an article in the paper tomorrow blaming Paul Davis for Wise leaving....

Not me guv, I was causing earthquakes and outbreaks of plague at the time.....

isnt the reason he came here was that he wanted to manage the whole club not just the players

 I think by the whole club....it was meant, the whole structure of the playing side, meaning putting in place all the elements of a properly run 21st century professional football club....this costs a lot of money.....Bill Power was prepared to back it.....the old board aren't, so Wise had to go.

and you couldnt have done that at the same time as forcing wise out.... :roll:

Devlins hardly been a fucking angel has he.

Hard to tell if he is saint or sinner, or somewhere in between.

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Trust NO ONE!!!!

NO ONE OUT!

...because we've hardly got anyone left to go anyway!

This is like when Shrewsbury were chanting about Wise being a wanker and me shouting back that I'd chant something about their lot only I'd not heard of any of them.

Problem is in 3 weeks it could be that I've not heard of any of our lot. :|

herthab may have been posting a cryptic clue actually...

Trust NO ONE
Trust Number One?
Petr Brezovan for manager!

His touchline arm waving skills will be a bit shit for a while, not sure he's the right man.

Maybe he meant old fashioned Number One, as in the GK, which could mean Smith, which would make sense.  He still has full arm waving capacity and Williams can concentrate on being in Goal without having to worry about coaching, captaining and Managing all at the same time.

Those who are refusing to hold the board accountable for any of this fiasco are bonkers.

It's not their fault that Wise & Poyet had this clause which allowed them to speak to Leeds, so in that regard you can't blame them.

The board, or at least the current incumbents, were quite happy to keep Iffy after relegation last season but Power's influence and the relationship he had with Wise's father helped spawn the deal which eventually saw Wise and Poyet come to the club. Admittedly, Diamandis may have had something to do with the deal but don't believe for a second that he was responsible for it all.

After the plane accident, Wise immediately visited by Power and Devlin in hospital - does this not show just how much he thought of them?

Soon afterwards, murmurs of boardroom unrest began to emerge. Wise's secretary Linda Birrel was unexpectedly sacked with reasons of "cost-cutting" being cited as the cause. Despite Wise's offer of contributing to her wage, the club rejected this and she remained absent.

Power then walks out of the club with no public statements - due to the close relationship between Wise's father and Bill Power, it's fair to assume that they would have discussed recent events in private.

Wise openly criticises the board for Holt's comments and questions the £750,000 overspend - considering the professionalism he'd shown up until this week, that was quite unexpected.

Does anybody honestly believe that none of the above events contributed to Wise's reasons for leaving?

I am utterly convinced that if Power was still at the club that Wise would have been far less likely to entertain the thought of joining Leeds. The carpet was pulled from underneath his feet, the promises made to him when he joined were revoked, he no longer had the control he had hoped for, the control he needed to make this club more professional and drag it from the dark ages.

Devlin's made no public statement but why do you think that is? Considering the club's reaction to the actions of the Trust and the thinly-veiled threats of legal action, Devlin - and Power - are only protecting themselves which is absolutely fair.

The board are not blameless in this. I'm not defending Wise's decision to leave at all, because I think his decision to leave only 5 months into a 3 year contract after making the comments of "starting at the bottom" is absolutely rotten. The bloke's a cunt but I can't blame him for leaving, I'd rather work for my son's Godfather than this nightmare of a board.

Word

 :thumbs:  :nod:

I think Wise has been tempted by Leeds for a while.

He knew he would be suverely handicapped by working with this recessive board instead of the positivity we had with Power and Devlin.

I doubt there was even enough money to get a reserve goalkeeper behind Paul Smith. So Wise probably thought fuck this there and then.

A shame, but quite inevitable.

I got a different take on it Spencer

He privately (which thanks to Mr Holt turned publicaly) commited his future to us on 26 September, and that he would carry on doing the job that he was here to do

Now barely 4 weeks later he has gone.

Between that time he has stated in the media that he is baffled at the overspend etc.

I think he has had his eyes well and truly opened !

Its about time more fans came to the same conclusions about this board.
Anyone who blames Wise for leaving is deluded. Like you say, I think he really wanted to stay, he could have jumped ship a month ago. Hes changed his mind after a few weeks working with the new board.

This board has ripped away a better future for STFC from under our feet.

I think Wise wanted to handle and oversee everything at the club. When that (or the illusion of it) got taken away he decided enough was enough. Maybe.

If that were the case it could have happened at most of the clubs, if not all in our division.

Agree Spencer.How some people can still defend this board beggars belief

1) No investors will work with them

2) Neither will the council

3) Neither will any decent manager

So where does that leave us with them in charge?

Name ONE person that defends this board?

Go on, I dare you.

Mike Diamandis

Apart from Diamadis, name ONE person that defends this board?

Go on, I dare you.

Martin Lambert

What else did the Romans give us ??????

Apart from Diamand and Lambert, name ONE person that defends this board?

Go on, I dare you.

The future Mrs Lambert

The aqueduct?

Central Heating

Ok, ok. Apart from Diamandis, Lambert, the future Mrs Lambert, any children the future Mrs Lambert might have, the immediate friends and family of Lambert and the future Mrs Lambert and any children the future Mrs Lambert might have, name me One person that defends this board?

Go on, I dare you.

Well the Hypocaust was pretty much central heating I guess.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

STFC Bart

James' mummy

Ultra would say Serie A

I'm not typing it all in again!

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Point taken though