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Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Dazzza on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 13:03:35 Could well be puff needs a pacemaker by the time he's done?
The whole exercise seems cracking in theory but without everyone or at least representatives of all concerned present it's not going to put these issues to bed once and for all. First of all to clear up the issue surrounding Bill Power’s withdrawal surely it would be rational to include either his wife of business partner Phil Emmel. Just as important but I’d suspect highly unlikely is Mark Devlin who should be given the opportunity to publicly redress some of the accusations levelled at him yesterday. I’m interested to hear what Cliff will have to say in relation to the finances but with the greatest of respect to the man he is close to those involved and the question it raises is how impartial he will or has the freedom to be. Quote FORMER Swindon Town chairman Cliff Puffett is to act as a peacemaker to bring the club’s board and supporter’s groups together. Following last week’s Trust STFC meeting, which questioned the current running of the club, a rift between the board and supporters appears rife. Director James Wills responded yesterday with a statement on the club’s website saying that both he and his father Sir Seton are seriously considering their future involvement with the club. But Puffett, pictured, who has been asked by the current board to look at the club’s current finances, says it is time for everyone to get round a table and sort out it out once and for all. And by the end of this week Puffett hopes to have held a meeting between all parties so that any disagreements can be resolved. “I am going to set up a meeting with the Wills family, Mark Diamandis and all the representatives from the Trust and supporter’s groups and let them talk about it all. “Once that happens hopefully we can all go forward. “My idea is that we could continue this dialogue between the fans here on in. I’d like to get the meeting arranged for this week. “Basically what I’m trying to say is that everyone needs to attack these issues face to face.” Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 14:59:31 There's noting in it for him to come in and protect the current board - as a fan with baordroom experience I'd like to think that he'll be quite impatial, but I see what you mean.
Whens this meeting taking place? Its clear from this that the consortium appears to be a bit of a non-starter....real shame. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: STFC Bart on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 15:17:22 They do not want anyone else in control no matter what money is available- shows their motives tbh
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: STFC Bart on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 15:20:59 The consortium isnt a non starter- put it this way- if we stick with the current ownership we will soon be out of the league
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 15:57:22 yeah were second and look like going up! bart your right were be in league onw!
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:08:28 I've speculated previously that CP and RH...might be interested in acquiring the remains of STFC, in order to move it into Hunt's Copse, where they have land and development plans.
As things stand the Board will look to retrench unless they can be ousted, this will mean Wise leaving sooner or later, and a likely flirtatuion with the Conference. By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. We're well and truly stuck between a rock and a hard place. I can see no purpose in the present Board and its advisor carrying on....they're discredited. It would be conforting to see a white knight on the horizon, but there isn't one to the best of anyone's knowledge....so the true commitment of the fans must face its ultimate test. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: janaage on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:21:06 Locomotive Swindon FC it is then. We will rise from the ashes. Least we won't have to spend hours going up north to away matches for a few years!!
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:28:37 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. I remember saying the same thing about relegation last season and I got slated for it. It was obvious, also was the fact Cureton was in on it...you play shit, miss open goals and we get relegated you can leave for free wink wink nudge nudge Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:30:58 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. I remember saying the same thing about relegation last season and I got slated for it. It was obvious, also was the fact Cureton was in on it...you play shit, miss open goals and we get relegated you can leave for free wink wink nudge nudge Is this club really that corrupt? That's fucking terrible! Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: janaage on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:34:55 We're the Juventus of the Rochdale league!
Locomotive Swindon Juventus 2006, that can be our new name! Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:35:41 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. I assume you mean engineered as in cut costs to a minimum and pad the squad with loan players. Surely the 'riches' gleened from promotion will more than exceed the bonus payouts? However with most of our squad out of contract at the end of the season, coupled with the evidence of last seasons playing budget, added to a shortfall of up to £2M plus - well let's just say I agree next season may be a stinker. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:37:17 Quote from: "Batch" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. I assume you mean engineered as in cut costs to a minimum and pad the squad with loan players. Surely the 'riches' gleened from promotion will more than exceed the bonus payouts? However with most of our squad out of contract at the end of the season, coupled with the evidence of last seasons playing budget, added to a shortfall of up to £2M plus - well let's just say I agree next season may be a stinker. The added revenue from a good promotion run would certainly go a long way to meet it Batch Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:40:07 Quote from: "janaage" Locomotive Swindon FC it is then. We will rise from the ashes. Least we won't have to spend hours going up north to away matches for a few years!! I think Salisbury are currently 2 leagues below us in the pyramid....they nearly went bust but were saved at the last minute a couple of years back...they can get a crowd of 1500 on a good day and are currently well at the top of Confernce South...so may well be playing O*frod next season. A reconstituted STFC....could get back to our present level within 2 or 3 years, have no debt a new ground and the opportunity for fresh income streams. SBC would be out of the picture as well as Newbury.....has to be something to consider. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:45:07 Quote By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. Quote It was obvious, also was the fact Cureton was in on it...you play shit, miss open goals and we get relegated you can leave for free wink wink nudge nudge any proof?? Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:46:57 Quote from: "Batch" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" By their own admission, relegation was engineered by the Board last season to cut costs, and similarly promotion must be avoided to avoid paying bonuses, and expensive staff manoeuvred out. I assume you mean engineered as in cut costs to a minimum and pad the squad with loan players. Surely the 'riches' gleened from promotion will more than exceed the bonus payouts? However with most of our squad out of contract at the end of the season, coupled with the evidence of last seasons playing budget, added to a shortfall of up to £2M plus - well let's just say I agree next season may be a stinker. I take this passage from JW/Diamandis to mean relegation was welcomed as a way of reducing expenditure for the final CVA season Quote At the time, we assumed the Club would be operating within budget and although we knew Dennis and Gus were coming on board, we were of the belief that the 20% contracted salary reductions resulting from last season's relegation together with the agreed value of the proposed new contracts would allow the club to maintain the playing budget at the same level as 2005/2006. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:50:53 sale of our best player in January....set the stall really....showed that money was more important than staying up. Yes we made 300k from Fallon but lost 200k by going down. There was no guarentee Fallon would have kept us up...but I believe we would have at least stood a fighting chances.
Plus, the proof is there a team at the top of division 4 would bring in more punters than that of a bottom division 3 side. People flood in to see success...and the board wanted us to drop down a division so we could have a winning a side again. We have and attendences are up Cureton was rubbish missed open goals...scored 7 for us in close to 30 games then went to the Championship and has already scored 4 goals hmmmm :shrug: Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:52:48 cureton wont score more than 12 goals this season. FACT
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:54:51 Quote from: "swindon town dave" cureton wont score more than 12 goals this season. FACT which is still 5 more than he did last season two divisions lower!!! Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:55:39 he scored 14 goals last season.
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:56:41 7 for us.
dont give a fuck what he did else where. I'll judge him purely on what he did in a town shirt...not alot Lets also not forget than 2 of those were against lemmington in the fa cup :roll: Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 16:57:07 Since the sale of Fallon 30 games ago we've failed to score more than 2 goals in a game......last season the sale of parkin and Fallon suppposedly trousered us at least 750K.....throw in Brian Adams and that's more or less a bonus mill....where's it gone?
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:00:29 he wasnt getting any decent supply though. if we played a system of football which could get the best out of cureton/thorpe and fallon, then goals shouldn't have been a problem last season. As it was, we didn't, and now we are where we are.
Quote Since the sale of Fallon 30 games ago we've failed to score more than 2 goals in a game......last season the sale of parkin and Fallon suppposedly trousered us at least 750K.....throw in Brian Adams and that's more or less a bonus mill....where's it gone? a fair bit of that would of been wasted on the new ground developments wouldnt it?? Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:02:07 Quote from: "swindon town dave" a fair bit of that would of been wasted on the new ground developments wouldnt it?? No. How do you make that out? Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:02:08 the fallon and parkin money made up the short fall last season...
as for bryan adams....into the black hole I suppose... Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:03:12 Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" I take this passage from JW/Diamandis to mean relegation was welcomed as a way of reducing expenditure for the final CVA season Quote At the time, we assumed the Club would be operating within budget and although we knew Dennis and Gus were coming on board, we were of the belief that the 20% contracted salary reductions resulting from last season's relegation together with the agreed value of the proposed new contracts would allow the club to maintain the playing budget at the same level as 2005/2006. FWIW, that's one hell of a leap to one hell of an allegation Reg Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:04:00 Quote from: "swindon town dave" he wasnt getting any decent supply though. if we played a system of football which could get the best out of cureton/thorpe and fallon, then goals shouldn't have been a problem last season. As it was, we didn't, and now we are where we are. hmmm apart from the penalty against whoever, the open goal at Yeovil and the open goal at City....you're right no service at all. Also, if our service was so shit...how did Fallon manage to get 13/14 in half a season? Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:05:14 Quote swindon town dave wrote: a fair bit of that would of been wasted on the new ground developments wouldnt it?? No. How do you make that out? i thought it would of cost a fair bit of money to go through all the club went through as regards to a new stadium. or am i wrong Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:07:02 Quote Also, if our service was so shit...how did Fallon manage to get 13/14 in half a season? because we were lumping long balls in the box. if your 6ft 5, thats a god thing. not if your 4ft 8 though Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: DV on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:07:09 well I certainly didnt get paid for my involvment!
Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:13:57 Quote from: "swindon town dave" Quote swindon town dave wrote: a fair bit of that would of been wasted on the new ground developments wouldnt it?? No. How do you make that out? i thought it would of cost a fair bit of money to go through all the club went through as regards to a new stadium. or am i wrong It would if the club were actively working on a proposal but since their last proposal got canned, that hasn't been the case. So yes they probably did spend money on the three failed development/relocation scenarios they've come up with to date, but not last season and certainly not enough to start burning any kind of hole in a million quid. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:14:49 Quote from: "pauld" Quote from: "Reg Smeeton" I take this passage from JW/Diamandis to mean relegation was welcomed as a way of reducing expenditure for the final CVA season Quote At the time, we assumed the Club would be operating within budget and although we knew Dennis and Gus were coming on board, we were of the belief that the 20% contracted salary reductions resulting from last season's relegation together with the agreed value of the proposed new contracts would allow the club to maintain the playing budget at the same level as 2005/2006. FWIW, that's one hell of a leap to one hell of an allegation Reg I may have misinterpreted this but to me it clearly states that it was contracted that by getting relegated it enabled a saving of 20% on wages to be made....at a time when cost cutting was still needed, this and the lack of funds last season suggests the Board were not over concerned by relegation. Title: Puff the Magic Peacemaker Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 3, 2006, 17:19:54 Quote swindon town dave wrote: Quote: swindon town dave wrote: a fair bit of that would of been wasted on the new ground developments wouldnt it?? No. How do you make that out? i thought it would of cost a fair bit of money to go through all the club went through as regards to a new stadium. or am i wrong It would if the club were actively working on a proposal but since their last proposal got canned, that hasn't been the case. So yes they probably did spend money on the three failed development/relocation scenarios they've come up with to date, but not last season and certainly not enough to start burning any kind of hole in a million quid. well i take it all back. |