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Does anyone actually think that this rumour is true and wise will quit after the wycombe game?

To be honest i would not blame wise if he quit, everything has changed since he joined and things he was promised are not going to happen.

I really think wise will be gone by the end of the week, we all really want him to stay but we all know it's just not going to happen.

I hope you lot who are attending that meeting on wednesday decide on some bigtime action to take against the board, i hope you can drive them out, we would all love to drive out those idiots but they will never leave the club, they really have fucked this club up this time and the fans are never going to forgive them.

I wonder what our attendances will be the next few home games?

I hope there is alot of banners and flags and chants against the board at the boston game on saturday.

wouldnt suprise me, and as u say everything has changed since he has taken over

What exactly was Wise promises that has been suddenly taken away from him?

Money? He was allowed to assemble his own squad and did so

Behind the scenes? He was allowed to put who he wanted in charge of football related matters including Gus, Incey and the physio guy!

I don't see why he would leave when he came here to do a job and is only part way to achieving that

Wise wanted full control of everything which he has had but i dont think he will be able to have full control now.

Wise was very angry that the club secertary was sacked, he was probably told money was available for players, something that is never going to happen now that power has gone, with power gone and devlin about to go i dont think wise is going to want to hang around this club, he probably thinks the club is a joke the same as us fans do.

There is no doubt that he would have been here for 1-2 seasons maybe abit longer had power stayed and had all this not happened, but i can really see him walking away after all the crap that has happened lately.

Knowing our luck with a few weeks we will have some crap amateur in charge and we will have no money at all and i can really see the attendances being hit very badly, who is going to pay alot of money to watch a club with no ambition, the board have no ambition at all for this club if they did they would not have forced power out, us fans will stay away until things change dramatically.

Is it strictly necessary to post exactly the same crap on the TEF as you've posted on thisis?

dont read it then :?

It's not crap it's all true, i'm willing to place a bet at the bookies that wise wont be here for the boston game, i can see wise, poyet, ince, devlin and sullivan all leaving the club this week, i dont know how many people will agree with me on this one.

That's a fair comment, nothing wrong with posting on two different sites.

Its crap in the sense that other than a one or two, I think everyone has already accepted the meltdown of the club, so it doesn't need to speculated on further.

 Its easy enough to not read thisis, but this site does have some quality control and hopefully that will  continue.

you would think they would control threads like this then would you not :wink:

http://www.thetownend.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14704&highlight=

 Surely a thread started to discuss the relative merits of the management styles of Dennis Wise and Andy King, is just the sort of thing  25% of this site is for.

 With reference to that, did I hear DW slagging off Fola on RS for his marking at the County goal yesterday....staright out of the King textbook but not remarked upon.

Yeah, but surely we are allowed to be outraged about it?

  In which case the debate should be moving on to discuss what steps can be taken to rid the club of the malign influence of the Board....if anything.

I dont think we have a choice. I dont think the board ever intend to help take the club another step forward. So if we dont get out of this division weve had it, because in mid table of div 3, no Wise and selling players. We wont get enough through the gates to survive.

Banners and chanting all through home games, massive protests after home games and several other things could be done to try and get rid of this board.

I dont see why Wise would quit.....at the end of the day he's got a family to feed and all that.

I can see him jumping ship given the chance, but I cant see him quitting and being unemployed again.

Surely by staying here he can improve his reputation, if he quits thats two management job where he was quit due to off field activites, although in our case no his doing at all...future employees make take it into account!

If wise quits no fairly decent manager in their right mind would come here because they would know what this current board is like and i dont think they would want to work for them.

Only when these idiots are gone would some fiarly decent manager come to this club, the board have screwed everything up and it will affect players and managers and potential investors coming here.

I reckon a fairly decent and well aimed protest, directed at SSW and his  family, would see them out.....the rest including Diamandis are only in place because of his patronage......this is the problem how to organise this, and also if fans really have the stomach for it given SSW's patronage down the years.

I agree 100% reg, big protests should be made at sir seton wills and his lot, i am grateful like most town fans are for helping us survive and dipping into his pocket several times but we do need to move on and move forward the only way forward in my opinion is if sir seton wills and diamandis, carson, gray and holt go and someone with good football knowledge and has our best interests at heart takes over.

These protests need organising asap, starting with the boston game if possible, the fans need to stomach it otherwise things wont change.

Roy Evans quit. Because he was a man of integrity, and didnt need the money. Wise will be the same. He will not be a Ruddock, because Wise is a valued commodity, he has a lot to offer, and perhaps could get an even better contract/job given the tremendous job he has done with us so far. Ruddock was a useless fat cunt, total piece of shit.

As for SSW. Its going to really hurt. But its about the future now. It will be the ugliest of divorces if it happens.

Its not often I take inspiration from the scum, but Scumford survived being in 23 million of debt. They got rid of Kassam, and came out the other side of it. Do we have to sink to our knees and non league before we start affresh too?

Just as a point of order....the Scum haven't exactly got rid of Kassam as he still owns the ground, and  has trousered what 15/ 20 mill from them.   Its obviously easy to protest against such a man, but SSW is a different kettle of fish.

I dont think Wise will worry about feeding his family DV  im sure hes not short of a bob or two.

Come on fellow swindon fans big protests need to be made, you really need to stomach it and protest against sir seton wills and the rest, it really needs to be done, we have to drive them out of this club now once and for all, they have been taking the piss for along time now but when they ditch power and devlin and birrell and probably sullivan as well and make wise and poyet leave as well that has to be the last straw, big action needs to be taken and it must not stop until all these idiots are gone.

True true.

Whats the option? Sit here and die mid table in div 3 after 10 seasons because SSW's operating gets less and less but our turnover gets smaller with it?

I couldnt take it. Were better than that. But once we get to the scenario I stated above no one will bother to protest because the club will hardly seem worth saving.

At least now we are holding our heads up high, and the club seems so worth the effort.

Obviously i hope these protests are started asap so we can try and get these idiots out now, but i dont know who is going to step in and try and save this club when they go.

Seriously though people if you really want these people out you need to stomach it and fight to the end and protest and do other things constantly to drive them out, it's the only way to get them out of this club, if you haven't got the stomach for it and you dont fight then these idiots will stay and the club will die, it's upto you, will have time to do something about it.

Who, then?

You really are a cock.

Are you REALLY willing to force out SSW without anyone in the sidelines ready to take over?

You are either thick or don't realise that the moment we need to pay the first set of bills - probably the first round of wages for that month - we'll be fucked and straight into administration scuppering any chance whatsoever of going up this season.

Do you want to be stuck in this godforsaken league for another year?

You should take a look at the amount of people who joined in sack the board yesterday. I was sat in front of them, it was about 30 - max. Do you REALLY think you are going to get any more on board without something like Devlin or Wise going?

If they do, I'll be first at the reception door to make my feelings know.

Until then, all you are doing is helping Wise to make up his mind about going. He probably reads forums like this and he's probably reading this right now.

So if you and Bart want to carry on ranting like 15 year olds who think they can change the world, then carry on and see where it takes us. Personally all you're going to do is help Wise out of the door.

As things stand Wise IS still here, so why don't you shut the fuck up until something happens THEN we'll sort it out.

Until now Power has gone because of ill health - and we know no more than that. Anything else written here is pure speculation and you know it.

Stop making matters worse.

Having genuine grievance and organising protests aimed at removing  disliked incumbents are not easy.....look at Villa, where they'd been trying to get shot of Ellis for years....given there are no high profile suitors on the horizon to the best of anybodies knowledge, it seems our best hope is to go for broke, try and persuade the Board to go and hope something comes along....or look to form a Trust run club.

I would rather have a trust run club then these idiots running the club.

I'd rather have fucking Roman Abramovich here but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. Be realistic. Who is going to come in and run this? Know ye of such a person?? Or are you just clutching at straws.

Come on. Specifics. No "I'd rather have x y or z" ... who exactly is going to do this?

I'm sick of this shit now.

Whoever takes over won't make much of a better job unless they've got huge amounts of cash BECAUSE we're so much in debt.

Chris K, whilst I understand you frustration at younger posters on here bandwagon jumping, you have to understand its not all young posters causing trouble. This is a fans forum, and we are here to discuss what we think, not to put up some propaganda facade for Wise (who is already quite aware of what is happening). What difference does it make if he is here for another 3 days or another month? He knows he is only harming his career by working with (or against as it would be) a board with no serious ambition whatsoever.

And to Reg, please no to a Trust Run club. Id love to see Devlin form some sort of consortium, he is super talented im sure he could do it, just a question of whether he would want to. Im sure Power had the idea of a gradual progression over to himself. Obviously to get to that situation the current boards position would have to become significantly weaker. And the only way to get a quick fix to that situation is serious protest and real action.

The board have been too powerful for too long. The fact that they have brushed off Power so easily is a real sickening shock to me.

OK what actual FACTS do you know then you fucking skanky cock.

You are just like all the rest

Why dont you crawl away under your rock and come back when you have got something decent to post based on facts.

CUNT

While i agree with a few things you have said i disagree with most of it, do you really think Devlin wont get the sack? do you really think that wise is going to stay? you know they will both be gone shortly.

Also do you really think Bill Power left because of health reasons? he was forced out but it's came out as ill health so the board dont get criticised, it's obvious its a cover up.

By posting on here we are not encourgaing wise to leave at all he will be going anyway.

I would rather take my chances and get this board out now and hope someone comes in, sorry but its true, do you really want these idiots to stay in control of this club after everything that has happened? no-one in their right mind would want them here now.

I was at the game yesterday, i know only around 30 chanted sack the board etc but there will be alot more chanting it saturday when devlin has been sacked and if wise has gone by then as well half the ground will be chanting it.

And as for the debt Chris, its a question of SSW/Dunwoody cutting a deal. The value at 10 million. They will never ever get anywhere near that, not now not ever.

If we can weakin them it might force a deal to an investor. While we are still top of the league, with a 7500 average we are attractive to an investor. If we sink to div 3 mediocrity no one will invest.

With all due respect 'denniswisesbarmyarmy' youre posts are more of a hindrance than a help. You are brand new, you are not articulate, calling people idiots and to be quite frank you are a no mark.

To the others, stop picking on an easy targets and face some reality.

Alright Spencer ...

There's too much bandwagon jumping, yes. But this guy doesn't have any discussion in him hence my frustration with him. Try and pin him down to specifics and he's sadly lacking with his grand plan for the club.

I'm trying to say it isn't necessarily best for the club to force the current board out, inept as they are, without some kind of idea of what comes next. We could make matters horribly worse here and he must be very careful.

The worse case scenaio is we get them ousted and nobody steps up to take over and we end up either in admistration or bust. You know it's possible so why force the issue without any kind of proof of wrong doing.

You say Power being "brushed off" was sickening. How do we know he was "brushed off"? We've not heard anything from Power to suggest this to be the case. Let's wait until we know the facts before we make a fuss out of potentially nothing. How do you not know the pull-out was entirely down to ill health?

This is all madness.

We can't listen to this minority - and they are a huge minority - until we know exactly what's going on.

If Wise or Devlin goes I'm with them. But they haven't yet.

That's a fair point. But we don't know that in investor will come in.

n/t

No, I don't know that for a fact, and neither do you.



You don't know this for a fact either. Show me some proof.



Oh I think you know full well the board reads this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if Wise does too.



Take your chances and send us bust? No thanks.

IF (big if) Devlin goes I'll join in the chants. Until then, he's still here and so is Wise, so this argument is pointless.[/quote]

Spence - to your 'deleted' post - how did you come about this info?

I'm not knocking you... you've been around here as long as me ... but there's so much speculation and 'mate of a mate said' info here I'm really getting doubtful of it all.

[/quote]As things stand Wise IS still here, so why don't you shut the fuck up until something happens THEN we'll sort it out.

Until now Power has gone because of ill health - and we know no more than that. Anything else written here is pure speculation and you know it.

Stop making matters worse.[/quote]

Amen to that. This forum really seems to be living up to its 80% bollocks premise, most of it posted in the last week!

Wisey made the effort to come onto the pitch and applaud the fans efforts yesterday. Didn't strike me as the demeanour of a man about to chip off after 10 games in charge. I may well be proved wrong, but like Dennis I see little point in commenting on counterproductive speculation. Surely, in respect of this subject matter, its much better to comment on what we really do know?

Im affraid it really is that shady. This Dunwoody is not a cosure outfit (you dont need me to tell you that, what business doesnt release accounts for 4 years!). I would ask why you have so much faith in them?

Devlin is gone on monday. If not by the end of the week. Youve said you will believe more when he is gone, so I hope you will be true to your word. They might well delay it until after the fans meeting, which would be a good tactical move, they hold most of the cards. I could give you names of the people who have been letting out information, but whats is the point? They are minor and their names of no importance. This is an all out split 50/50 through the top of the club. The way so many people have been reluctant to listen has been an amazement to me. If Dunwoody pull it off its the greatest PR stunt ive ever seen, and that through Bob Holt!

Otherwise Town fans will get to know in small installments. Thus negating the rage. That rage is what I feel at the moment.

Hallelujah, brother.

I don't, mate. I just have no faith in a white knight or whatever coming in and saving us if we get them out.



I guarantee you - if this pans out as has been predicted I'll be shoulder to shoulder with the current minority, but I don't believe things until I know them to be true and I've seen them with my own eyes.

It's not happened yet so I'm just trying, in my haphazard way, to appeal for calm and for a stop to damaging speculation.

Spencer's posts are the only ones that seem to make sense amongst all this mess, I'm totally in agreement with everything he says.

Go back and read his posts from a few days ago when this farce started, you'll see what I mean.

Thats exactly my approach Chris K if the time comes to fight then ill be there fighting but currently we are dealing with rumour and counter rumour.I'll be at the meeting Wednesday but with out statements from Power/Devlin/Wills etc I wonder what its going to achieve bar a bunch of people being outraged but not actually knowing what they are outraged about.

Well I cant ask fairer than that Chris. Dunwoody are in a hurry to get rid of Devlin, so Im pretty confident.

As for the damage, I think the fatal blow has already been dealt. Our failure not to do business with Power is an unbelievable error that will cost us for a decade. Wise was only here for a season maybe 18 months, Power was the real deal.

Dunwoody didnt have to go, they could have been in partnership with Power. But they got greedy, Diamindies pushed his luck too far and the devastating plane crash has allowed them to retake total control of the club. Dunwoody on their own are absolutely hopeless, the period of summer 04 to late 06 was some of the worst management Ive ever seen.

As for Sam, you have to listen to Reg mate. He knows the score at the club.

If it comes to it that Power was forced out then we'll all fight - we know that.

We'll just see how it pans out.

If it cheers anyone up I just saw myself on Football League Review giving it large after Fola's goal.

Fair enough, but I think you've talked a lot of sense when we've been bombarded by all these other shit posts.

Do you think that maybe Power/Devlin were close to finding out something Dunwoody didn't want them to know, or is it more a case of Mikey the Greek wanting to hold all the cards and not let Power have any?

Nah, Devlin/Power already knew what Dunwoody were like. They should have been able to handle them. But the plane crash has drastically/fatally weakened their position.

Doesnt really help our cause calling him 'mikey the greek'.

Its all about money.

just out of interest Spencer, what have you got against a trust run club....that two posts where you have dismissed the idea?

any reason behind it...?

trust run clubs are run better!! thats a fact! (i think!!)

In theory. But I think they are for smaller scale clubs than STFC. If you want to be 1st division and ambitious you have to play the game. Thats serious business men, who know big money business. Some secrets have to be kept. Just the way it is, its just money. Obviously theres a lot of holes you could poke in that, but its my view.

Plus I take heart from someone like Bill Power ever comming near us. In reality STFC is nothing more than a shell. But BP's efforts gives me hope for the future.

Just because Dunwoody have run us badly doesnt mean all money men will. Shouldnt go from one extreme to the other.

I'm in the Chris K / Yeovil bracket at the moment.

Whilst several people whos views and integrety I respect have told me some things in the past week I want to see some evidence with my own eyes so to speak.  Sadly I cant make the meeting on wednesday.

If Devlin goes I'll be pissed off. If wise goes I'm going to start a riot.

Power was 10 times more important to the club than what Wise is. I would say that you have got your priorities wrong.

Wise will be touted for every job that comes along, and will go sooner or later. Hes just made too much of a splash. Thats football.

Spencer you make more sense than any of the others, im with you on this one.

Have to say I’m a bit undecided as to what Dennis will do.

He seems to have made quite a professional and emotional investment in the side and he’s certainly not a quitter so I’d only see it with a heavy heart that he’d walk away.  That said when you look back at when he left Millwall it was under similar circumstances to the stories circulating so it’s a bit of a concern.

I’d definitely agree with Spence, Power is the main loss in the long term.  But again I’m sailing on the same boat that until I hear something concrete as fucked off with it all as I am it’s a hard call to go sharpening the hatchet just yet.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know if Cliff Puffet is still involved with the club?  He did initially head the current consortium and said at the time he wouldn’t be taking a place on the board but he hasn’t been herd of in a long time.  I may be wrong but wasn’t he a member of the Trust at one point, his intentions always seemed fairly good, it would be interesting to see what he makes of it all.

Isn't Cliff involved at Supermarine now?

well thats the first ive heard of this daft rumour!

yeah isn't he the chairman

Jesus, forgot all about that think he's chairman of the club.

what daft rumour?

Wise quitting after the Wycombe game

:mrgreen: this is exactly how these things start..

Rich will now tell everyone he knows that Puffet is buying the club for the Trust..

Piemonte, I think that (your view) is fair enough though, not that you need anyone telling you that. You can't believe everything on the internet. Time will reveal the truth I guess.

Have to agee with spensor on Power being the most important loss whatever the reason behind his leaving. The money thing is massive, but as pointed out his proposed day to say l running of the club was a huge thing too - we were a rudderless ship really, Devlin aside.

Dazzza, had the same thought about Puffitt. I'm sure he acted 100% correctly in what he thought was right for the club at the time, just that the fans place on the board was not his to offer. Always came accross as genuine and a ture fan too. Where is he now?

:D hahah sorry wrong end of the stick..

fancy keeping to topic Rich ...shame on you :x

he was doing a collection at the winners the other day for a charity

*looks at thread title*

i was on topic  :D and i can't be fucked to read through 4 pages of the same old crap

Rich was?

Gotcha, sorry my head's full of stale beer and Tequila.

Has anyone a link to the League papers site, if they have one?  Surprised none of the other football sites have picked up on it if it’s headline news.  

I even had a look in Tescos earlier for a copy but it’s like bloody gold dust trying to get hold of a copy.

cliff was  :P

no  :soapy tit wank:

http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/chinesewhispers.jpg

Cliff is still involved on the edges of the club as it were (ie holds no formal title but is one of the "great and the good"). For a while he fell out with the current regime, but now seems to have made up with them. And yes he is a Trust member (with apologies to Cliff if he feels I'm breaking confidences on that, but he's always been pretty open and public about being a member of the Trust). FWIW, personally I'd say his intentions are good as you say - like the Wills family themselves, very much has the best interests of the club at heart.

These rumours and all this speculation may or may not be true. People have put forward very good and at times convincing points which would seem to suggest that Power was forced out and that Wise will go soon.

However. I have not seen ONE piece of factual evidence to porve or disprove what has been said, and based on that I think it is far too early to start protesting and rioting.

Can we not just go to Wycombe, support the team and the manager, hope for a win, chant Dennis Wise's Barmy Army for a LOOOOOONNNNG time and just hope for the best.

IF Wise then leaves on Wednesday, and IF Devlin is forced out, I will be more than happy to complain about, abuse, and protest against the club. Until then I can't help thinking this is getting out of hand

One request - can people stop the personal abuse? Things are bad enough without people picking fights.

As of this exact moment there are few concrete facts, but people have come to conclusions based on the things we know so far, i.e.

Power leaving due to ill health but wants his money back - why unless he was pushed?

Linda Birrell being sacked for "cost cutting"; when she's probably on less per year than Ince per month. Not to mention the fact Wise offered to pay or at least contribute to her wages, such is the esteem he regarded her with.

Bob Holt effectively accusing Devlin - in public - of brokering the ince deal without the board's consent, thus taking the club into a £700,000 overspend - why would he do that if all was fine?

This is going to be an eventful week off the pitch, Wednesday will be a reaction to the events of the next two days and we should have a clearer picture of what we – as fans – can do for the good of this club.

FUCK OFF GOTH BOY

(old school abuse) 8)

WOE WOE WOE

  WOE WOE WOE  WOE WOE

 
You take it easy
You have your reasons
Sometimes it eats you inside
It feels like treason

You give it right back
Then they just can't take it
You mind your business
Whats yours, they have to wreck it
The hypocrits don't, don't like the bed they lay in
Come out fighting, you know you're always going to win

There's just no point in cause unnecessary trouble
Just make sure you cause trouble when it's necessary
There's just no point in cause unnecessary trouble
Just make sure you cause trouble when it's necessary

I find it laughable how this circus we call our board are blaming Devlin for the £700,000 overspend.

Was it or was it not Sandy Gray and James Wills' 'tireless efforts to secure the ince transfer' ????

http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~890637,00.html

There is the proof.

It was Sandy Gray and James Wills who bought Ince here. Devlin was layed up ill for god's sake! This board will use anyone to blame their utter uselessness on.

Wise offered to pay some of Linda's wages?! They really had no reason to get rid of her. I wonder what she did to upset them?

She had an argument with gray.

Wise WILL walk- the board will say its because of a job in a higher league/ cover it up but the real reason will be because of:

Linda B- sacked basically for feeding info back to BP/Mark D

Wise will walk because he will not work with the remaining board members- if Power was still here he woul dnot go to Leeds/West Brom or anywhere else

fuck me this is depressing.

Again, we're all talking about stuff that is rumoured to have happened. We don't know why Linda B went and Wise STILL hasn't gone.

Jan the Man - don't get depressed. Nothing has happened yet. Let's wait and see what transpires before we get the long rope and noose, eh?

Well, we know the club line which is Linda was made redundant, as in her position was no longer needed, even if Wise felt it was.  It was according to the club a cost cutting measure.

Which is absolute bollocks

Watch the next lot of cost cuts people- January sales here we come!!!!

This board are useless- and thats being kind

bart do you like watching swindon?

Hehehe - class line.

Guys your apathy will cost you your football club

Cannot believe after all thats happened our fans still seem content to let THEM continue

All i ask if for the club to be run properly

Apathy because we don't have concrete proof of anything.

Power left because of ill health - that's the only fact we know.

Burrell left because of the supposed overspend - another fact we know.

Now, these might not pan out to be correct - but until someone comes up with cast iron proof this is wrong then we can believe nothing else and be apathetic about nothing else.

same bart just power has gone, possibly on medical advise.  Nothing has been confirmed yet.  I wont panic until I know the facts.

Bart, the problems stem from your style of posting.  Always negative and never offering alternatives (going back before this kicked off as well).

I find it almost annoying that I actually hear some of the same stuff you post, but you put it scross in a way that suggests an axe to grind.

Try avoiding creating new topics every 5 minutes and simply responding to peoples concerns or creating new ones when new situations require it.

Making me wonder if he's something to do with either party involved ...

I reckon STFC Bart is in fact.....


.... ex-Town Chairman Ray Hardman.  I knew that bloke shouldn't have had a go at him outside the North Stand back in 93.

Nah, it's Brian Hilliar.

No idea, although some of the info he does post about is exactly what I've managed to come by as well.  I'm not saying he's posting bullshit (at least not 80% of the time), just the way he does it detracts from the information and people begin to mistrust and ignore.

The biggest concern I have is that Power will not put out his side of events for quite a while.  Same goes for Devlin and Linda etc.  So all we have is the clubs version of events in public.  If anyone does have the information to hand from both sides, it's quite plausible that they cannot provide 100% def statements for good reason.  This means that people quite rightly go with the "until I've heard facts" line and makes it very difficult to overcome.  I'm hoping the meeting on Wednesday will provide the opportunity needed to provide a more "rounded" view of reality.

I dont understand the 'until Ive heard the facts view'.

That means listening to Dunwoody who have done us a massive disservice. However some people seem to want a hollywood 'good and evil' story. Its not the way it is, its complicated and you have to you your brain to come to your own conclusions.

The 'until ive heard the facts' argument basically says 'exploit me'. Its saying Im going to believe every press release and nothing else.

Look at what is happening to us, and ask questions.

Spencer - You are a good poster on here and I've no reason to pick a personal fight with you, but I've got to take issue with that.

What you've said there is patronising bollocks. You are inferring that I and others with the same opinon do not have the ability to think for ourselves and will swallow any old crap from the club.

A with all these things, the truth will probablly lie somewhere in the centre ground of both stories, with untruths coming from both sides.

I cant speak for anyone else who has a similar viewpoint to me, but I have an equally hard time believing everything in the official statement as gospel and at least 75% of what I have read on various websites. Everyone seems to have a friend of a friend with connections, but some are saying different things to others FFS. So how am I supposed to know which to believe? its doing my fucking head in.

One thing that I do believe in the statement is that there are people with vendattas against the likes of diamandis, some of whom have been very clever in the way they have operated - slowly influencing the minds of the  less knowledgeable without ever producing any hard facts or evidence.

The very reason I'm not yet going off on one is becase I am asking questions about what is happening to us and trying my best to form a calculated non-knee jerk opinion of what the fuck is going on.

here here!!

Im with pie' on this one....

I think that's a bit harsh on Spencer, I imagine his frustration comes more from the apathy/head in the sand attitude of some fans as opposed to any malice towards people. However, I won't put words in his mouth cos he's bigger than me.



You have to consider what each party has to gain from the truth coming out. Why do we, as fans, have to gain from the truth becoming reality? Why would anybody deliberately try to harm the club's future? The board on the other hand will protect their interests. Whilst I don't believe every rumour I've heard, I'm fairly confident of the truth.



Pick and choose who you trust. Some people's opinions are more trustworthy than others, Spencer's more likely to be speaking sense as he's clearly a huge fan, Bart's an anonymous person on the internet. What the last few days has proven is that Bart's not that far wide of the mark.

All I can say is that the information I've garnered from various sources don't come from "a friend of a friend down the pub who works in the local Tesco" but if I gave out specific details, I'd probably end up poorer than I am.

Wednesday's meeting should shed some light on matters and also allow people the chance to voice their concerns, whether they be paranoid nutters like Bart, sensible and reasoned people like Spencer or slightly sceptical people such as yourself.



The only person with a clear vendetta against Mr Diamandis is Woodie, whoever the fuck he is.

I agree with Pieface, in that I don't know the facts so will not swallow stories from either side without knowing them. This may mean 'listening to Dunwoody' but it does not mean accepting it.

It also doesn't mean exploit me, because obviously a tiny part of the story has come out into the open and there is no way of knowing if that's fact. All I would so is that I can see why people would be so against the current board and assume it's all lies - the situation does smack of 'the boy who cried wolf'.

Size Chart

Spencer white >>  Sonic youth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piemonte

I wholeheartedly withdraw my previous statement :wink:

I cant really argue with any of the points you've made there. I think that semi rant has taken the wind out of my sails for the evening. might be something to do with 4 hours kip last night :boring:

Fairplay all of you.

Cant fault you at all.

If you truly support the club you will also support the board. They may not always be right in what they do or how they do it but its thanks to them we even have a club so how about we show a little appreciation rather than slagging them off every 5 posts.

Tisk Tisk

Agreed Run the Bath.....
I dont agree with all thats happening, but unless someone else volunteers and seeing as i have yet to win the lottery, then the current people in power are the ones that have kept us afloat so far (if only just and without great management).

Either way whilst there here I wish them all best and hope they can find a way to employ better financial managers and continue to do all they can to help us.

More importantly............ COME ON YOU REDS!!!!!!!
Had a change of mind now......think we're gonna win 4-0 tonight, its all gona come together tonight and we'll tonk the wycombe chairboys!

(maybe my optimism got the better of me at some point whilst writing this?!)
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thats the spirit mate!

yeah 4-0  :beers:

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If Wise leaves it will be because he saw what Flammable Ben wrote about him. He would obviously feel King would be the better man for the job and would step aside to honour this.

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