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Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: STFC Bart on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:26:39
We must mount and stage a massive protest


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: STFCBird on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:28:13
What a fantastic idea. Top drawer  :|


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Bushey Boy on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:28:57
You really are a cunt bart (apologies to ither members for that language this early on in a day, but seriusly he is)


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:30:37
i think we should have a ticker-tape parade


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:34:57
DEVLIN OUT!!!!!!!

Who's with me?  

We need the L&P boys on this one, let's burn an effigy of Mark Devlin in the Town End before the Boston match.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: fatbury on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:36:08
why are you all being so nasty and flippant ? I know Bart comes out with some rubbish and is obsessed with the boardroom situation.

BUT ...

Are you all happy for Devlin and Power to go without making your point heard? I for one actually agree ... if they are sacked we should demonstrate otherwise the club WILL die


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:39:24
the words "stating" and "obvious" spring to mind


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: janaage on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:45:16
It's the same negative bullshit, over and over.  Booooooooooooring.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 08:50:04
Lifetime Bart, back to thisis with you, you wind up merchant. Be gone.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: DribblingSissy on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 09:17:48
He wont be sacked.....if you read the latest stories, it sounds like all that is happening is that with the major focus being on promotion, the board have agreed to such things as Ince's signing and allowing the budget for players to go above 60% (with league approval) but obviously you cant justify that if your other bills and paying the off the field staff comes to more than 40%.....

We have obviously exhausted all avenues since the administration problems, to try and cut costs elsewhere and thus now it is down to Power and Devlin.....
Sounds like as they are not around to discuss, the rest of the board have discussed their own salaries (maybe even taken cuts?) but that it is important for Power to either make a cash injection into the club (maybe this is all a ploy to get him to do this!?) or that they wish Devlin to renegotiate his salary or face the possibility of being the next redundancy......

Lets face it, if you have any knowledge of a business, you'll know redundancies are not a way of getting rid of deadwood (although there are ways of doing it but is complicated) it is simply a cost cutting excercise where there is a financial budget in place and wage bills exceed this limit - redundancies are strange and in the same way unlikely for someone such as Mark Devlin though, as you are not legally allowed to re-employ someone in the same capacity within a set period of time, which would perhaps be needed or desired with Mark Devlins position (unless a current staff member took over).

I predict that the 'board' or backroom staff will be trying hard at present to contact firstly Bill Power to see if he can resolve it all with a cash injection and if not then they will be looking to Mark Devlin to accept a pay decrease, even if only only a short term basis until further investment......

In all honesty, I cant see Devlin, Power or any of the current set up walking away from the club, as they all in different capacities seem to have a passion for what they are doing.......its not someone, but more like someone's wages that need to amended (if only part time) so that we may balance the books, like any decent business.

At least we are trying to address such issues.......I for one would rather we lose the occasion loved personnel if it means we stay a float and in existence, than allow finances to slide again uncontrollably and simply 'die' as a business and thus as a club!

Opinions???


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:09:53
Sacking Linda is not a cost-cutting exercise that makes any sense whatever - she wasn't that highly paid and will be damn hard to replace. So the savings made (small) against the potential impact (extremely high as I doubt there's anyone else at the club that even knows what she did in terms of sorting out players' issues, sorting out the crossing i's and dotting t's on contracts, handling the Byzantine complexity of League regs etc) don't add up. I'm sorry I just don't buy the cost-cutting rationale here.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: STFC Bart on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:31:53
Agree Paul d

All this sounds like YET another sad greek tragedy


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:46:56
Quote from: "pauld"
Sacking Linda is not a cost-cutting exercise that makes any sense whatever - she wasn't that highly paid and will be damn hard to replace. So the savings made (small) against the potential impact (extremely high as I doubt there's anyone else at the club that even knows what she did in terms of sorting out players' issues, sorting out the crossing i's and dotting t's on contracts, handling the Byzantine complexity of League regs etc) don't add up. I'm sorry I just don't buy the cost-cutting rationale here.


Agreed. And as to the above poster - you're right to say they can't re-employ in the *same* position ;-) ... but I don't know if they bothered with the statutory period when they made her redundant.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:49:52
Devlin to Villa then - Randy Lerner needs a good Chief Exec (oh no he wouldn't go would he?)


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: DribblingSissy on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 12:29:28
May not see it as a great cost cutting exercise for Linda but she may have not been so much the cost cutting part of the current activity but perhaps they dont see it so hard to do without her.....you dont make someone redundant unless you dont need them at the end of the day......well not if you have any sense anyway (here's hoping!!!)


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Red Chris on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 12:42:57
Bart your a laughing stock, a complete tosser as well


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: normy on Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 17:09:18
Quote from: "DribblingSissy"
He wont be sacked.....if you read the latest stories, it sounds like all that is happening is that with the major focus being on promotion, the board have agreed to such things as Ince's signing and allowing the budget for players to go above 60% (with league approval) but obviously you cant justify that if your other bills and paying the off the field staff comes to more than 40%.....

We have obviously exhausted all avenues since the administration problems, to try and cut costs elsewhere and thus now it is down to Power and Devlin.....
Sounds like as they are not around to discuss, the rest of the board have discussed their own salaries (maybe even taken cuts?) but that it is important for Power to either make a cash injection into the club (maybe this is all a ploy to get him to do this!?) or that they wish Devlin to renegotiate his salary or face the possibility of being the next redundancy......

Lets face it, if you have any knowledge of a business, you'll know redundancies are not a way of getting rid of deadwood (although there are ways of doing it but is complicated) it is simply a cost cutting excercise where there is a financial budget in place and wage bills exceed this limit - redundancies are strange and in the same way unlikely for someone such as Mark Devlin though, as you are not legally allowed to re-employ someone in the same capacity within a set period of time, which would perhaps be needed or desired with Mark Devlins position (unless a current staff member took over).

I predict that the 'board' or backroom staff will be trying hard at present to contact firstly Bill Power to see if he can resolve it all with a cash injection and if not then they will be looking to Mark Devlin to accept a pay decrease, even if only only a short term basis until further investment......

In all honesty, I cant see Devlin, Power or any of the current set up walking away from the club, as they all in different capacities seem to have a passion for what they are doing.......its not someone, but more like someone's wages that need to amended (if only part time) so that we may balance the books, like any decent business.

At least we are trying to address such issues.......I for one would rather we lose the occasion loved personnel if it means we stay a float and in existence, than allow finances to slide again uncontrollably and simply 'die' as a business and thus as a club!

Opinions???
 Are we sure that the League gave approval to go above 60% ? I thoughty that was an inflexible rule. If the League did agree, then they broke their own rule, knowing that cost cutting and redundancies would be likely to follow. I hope this is not another case of STFC  financial mismanagement.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: DribblingSissy on Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 08:57:53
cost cutting isnt anything to do with the 60% on player wages though....simply to try and keep the rest of the business at less than 40%....
Either way I doubt Linda was a casualty of financial planning, more that they simply felt that they could do without her services, despite what any other outsiders may feel about her being good at her job etc.

To be honest I'm no longer worried in the slightest about the current situation as it at least seems all parties, including Power, Devlin and the Wills family, seem to care mainly about the football so as long as we are still here in 10 years time then i couldnt care less if the whole board and ownership changed....personally.

But we best be in at least the Championship by that point!!!


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 10:13:58
Back to subject

If Devlin is sacked do you reckon he'll become a full time member of the tef or Thisis forum, or maybe he might join those loud and proud guys.

I think it's a valid question as his choice will have a direct effect on whether I decide to boycott STFC.  If he takes up a full time posters role on Thisis I'll think the man is a retard who deserved to get the boot.  If he joins the L&P site I'll think he's a do gooder sing when we're winning kinda fella.

If he joins the dark side on the TEF I'll think he's a waster who really should be doing something more constructive with his time.

The choice is yours Devlin, choose your site carefully.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: STFC Bart on Friday, September 22, 2006, 18:03:14
I think we should all prepare for the worst -Devlin is being hung out to dry by these parasites.

I for one think it is disgusting how he has been treated- all while nearly being killed whilst on company business. Diamandis has used him and Bill being away as an excuse to stir up trouble

What fucking cunts they all are


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: sonic youth on Friday, September 22, 2006, 23:42:19
we've seen the last of devlin, although if you look carefully you might see him clearing out his desk (if he has one) in the next week or so.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 07:15:31
Is that educated guesswork Sonic, or have you had a ;) From the press statements it looks like they want rid but we'll have to wait and see. If I were Devlin I might walk anyway....

Is your future as score board messer in doubt? They seem to have let someone who works for nothing go. Are you next?


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 10:21:49
seems to be stonecold fact i'm afraid. given the current situation, it seems to be heading that way anyway.

i don't think the club can actually tell me to stop doing the scoreboard, so i think i'm safe. i'm not sure i even want to do it anymore.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: yeo on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 10:23:49
ace can I do it?


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 10:45:21
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
ace can I do it?
I can just imagine that!  :D
Do it!


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 12:37:04
Quote from: "normy"
Are we sure that the League gave approval to go above 60% ? I thoughty that was an inflexible rule. If the League did agree, then they broke their own rule, knowing that cost cutting and redundancies would be likely to follow. I hope this is not another case of STFC  financial mismanagement.


There are a few teams that have had the salaries/turnover ratio above the recommended amount.

From the various sources I've read, I think the football league will approve new signings and transfers if they are satisfied that they keep within the salary cap limit/or extraordinary circumstances occur whereby an investor makes up the shortfall.

The problem is that once approved something like this can happen. Or gates fall. Or gates rise (i.e. so do profits). The point is, this type of salary cap is ambiguous and uncertain. The same salary cap is supposedly imposed in League 1 as well, but obviously not as stringently.


Title: If Devlin is sacked
Post by: STFC Bart on Saturday, September 23, 2006, 19:44:46
If Devlin goes folks we are in the absolute shit. It will go back to how it was before he rejoined, with th Dunwoody connection running the show

Cannot see Wise staying either and working under this board personally