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If the fucker wants to die .................... let him die !!!!!!

BUT ON OUR TERMS AND WITH A METHOD OF THE FAMILIES CHOICE !

sorry bout that ........................ had to get it off my chest !

Suicide is too easy a way to go for someone as pathetic and lowly as him.

I say bring back punishment from the old days.

Let the families chose and carry it out exempt from any form of reproach is my answer !

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keep him alive, better for him to suffer

He's a sick sick man. Does not deserve to be living.

You have a similar kind of situation with the bloke in Greece whose name escapes me who jumped off the hotel balcony with his young son and daughter (the son died and the daughter somehow survived)

It was touch and go whether or not he would make it for a while and since then he has tried to top himself a couple of times I believe.

It's easy to say the world's better off without him. I would lean towards that argument myself.  

So many people have found their lives turned upside down by the actions of one individual.  Obviously you have the little boy who died. You have the mother, the sister (hopefully she won't remember it but who knows how she might be affected in future years?) But not only them, what about his parents, her parents, the wife's brothers and sisters.....etc etc etc......

It fucks so many lives up. Not just those right in the front line as it were. Bringing it round full circle, the same thing applies to Huntley. He didn't just kill two beautiful little girls with their whole love ahead of them, he ended life as they knew it for so many other people as well, as per the example above.

So what should happen to Huntley and John Hogan? (just looked it up). They have both fucked up numerous lives and now want to take the 'easy way out'. Are we better off without them or is that not the point? Should they be kept alive so that they can be properly 'punished'. Is that process not already happening? We can't possibly punish them any more than they are punishing themselves. Can we?

I guess the bottom line is that we like to think we are a 'civilized society'. So for that reason we have to keep them alive. That's the fullest answer I can give and I suppose the best answer I can give. I can't say I am entirely happy with it though. I suppose it will have to do.

In reference to the guy who jumped with his kids in Greece, there is no way in which he could have been in his right state of mind when he did what he did.  I feel extremely sorry for him in all honesty and think if I was in his situation I would just want to be allowed to die.  People generally don't think about depression as being a proper illness, as the majority of us suffer from it in smaller degrees and just get over it.  If someone suffers from clinical depression as he seemingly does(both his brothers commited suicide), it is on a totally different level and can cause you to act in way that you never normally would.


Huntley on the other hand should be kept alive for as long as possible, and I hope it torments him what he did.

But Huntley must be insane as well musn't he? He murdered two young girls so he must be mentally ill musn't he?

It's just a different form of illness isn't it?

I'm not defending the mother fucker btw.

In a way, yes.  You can argue that anyone who kills another human being is insane at that moment in time.  I guess the difference is that you can only really be classified as insane in a court of law if you truly didn't know what you're doing, and I think a manaic like Huntley knew exactly what he was up to.

I still think the guy in Greece should be punished, I just can't help but feel sorry for him.

I actually feel sorry for his mother. Apparently, his two brothers have both topped themselves.

Just imagine, for a minute, being in her position :shock:

which makes you think its probably a hereditry.

I feel sorry for the bloke I really do I also think he should be allowed to kill himself.

He commited some pretty bad crimes. I'd say that if he wants to die then fair play to him, however I don't trust the prison survice, as soon as you say people are aloud to die then you'll start getting dodgy suicides.

Anyhoo, He's obviously a messed up bloke, I hope that he sorts himself out and get's out of prison without being a danger to anybody.

death is an easy option, what else has he got? fuck all, thats what. assisted suicides in prisons would be a complete miscarriage of justice. not that they'd ever actually introduce it anyways, its too big a can of worms to open, the government arent wuite that stupid...

i cant get my head round what the bloke in greece done but as someone else said the shit that bloke went through with his two brothers dying and his father dying you sort of get the impression he was ready to explode..i feel sorry for all  involved including the father..

huntley is just fucking sick and a prime example of how petty crimes led to bigger crimes

Maybe this is wrong but if I had my own way Id inflick as much pain as possible on huntley.  To take two innocent girls lives is totally unhumane and should rot in jail.  No perks, no privilages, nothing.  Just bread and water and no visitors till the day he dies.  I know there will be people who say he has rights but I believe he waved those rights the day he took the girls into his home.

as for teh guy in greece, I am not really sure what happened there but can say in his defence every human has a thing inside them that explodes at times.  Many can control it. (I admit after city away last year I came home punched a door and kicked the TV (the TV and door won) not really sure what happened, but was a combination of Yeovil encouraging me drinking and upset at teh result and then an argument at home).  I am not excusing his antics, far from it, but something affected his judgement.

The wife confirmed she said she was leaving him, she may of told him she was having an affair we dont know, but he saw no way out.  He deserves prison for what he did but he will already be punishing himself.

theres a big difference in the two cases stated

the father wants to die because of guilt and because hes ruined his familys life and killed his son

and huntley wants to die because he hates prison, being picked on builed, locked up etc not through re morse or guilt.

how do you know, ian?

huntley could have tried to top himself because of the guilt.

not saying its the way it is, just taking a critical view of what you said

Whilst I understand what you are saying, I don't think we can be feeling sorry for the bloke.  I understand depression, and know that it affects people's judgement.  However, we can get so wrapped up in explaining away actions like this with depression that we forget the concept of personal responsibility.  Yes depression may be a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing, but the bloke still killed one of his own kids and nearly another.  Feeling sorry for him is going too far, and alleviating him of personal responsibility is wrong.

do they know what actually happened on the balcony? did he jump and literally pick up his kids and take them with too?

at the time he claimed he'd been drinking and didn't remember a thing, but then i recall his wife saying that he'd not touched a drop

To my knowledge, she told him she was leaving ans taking the kids, he said he would take them first, picked them up and jumped.  If this is not accurate, I apologise.

had they just had an argument? going on holiday seems a funny time to tell your husband you're getting a divorce.

Allegedly, the holiday was a last ditch attempt to save their ailing marriage.

i just could not see him feeling guilty in my mind
maybe its my media fueled profile of him

the fact that huntley has never even said sorry shows he only cares about himself

Having compassion and understanding is not alleviating someone of personal responsibility.  As I said later on he deserves to be punished(and you would suspect he will be punishing himself until he dies), yet I don't think he should be talked about in the same breath as Huntley.

It's very easy to say you understand depression, but if you have never suffered from it or been around it, then I very much doubt you do.  The fact is he probably saw the world in that short period of time as being an evil place that he didn't want his kids to have to stay in.

without making it obvious, I was trying to make the point that I have lived around clinical depression, and therefore do understand from first hand experiences how disruptive it can be to a persons life.

Fair enough.  It does suprise me a little then that you don't feel similar to the way I do.

I understand what your saying, and agree that depression is certainly an issue and should be treated as a mitigating circumstance,  I just think it should be made clear that he still holds ultimate responsibility for his actions.  I think we actually think very similar things, just worded differently.

I remember seeing footage of that guy in greece and actually feeling sorry for him. He seemed like he did'nt have a clue what he's done. he's obviously got mental problems and along with his brothers that backs it up.

I'm suprised someone hasnt kicked the shit into huntley yet.

Try telling that to his daughter.

On Talksport they had a prisoner officer who had dealt with Huntley. Apparently in prison he has his own wing set aside just for him, with a plasma screen with dvd player and the latest films, own private gym, playstation with latest games...

it infruiates me. He should be locked in a room, light on 24/7. Stripped naked on a daily basis and be fed just bread and water. He lost all his human rights when he murdered those littel girls.

The officer said he got off on all the media attention he was getting. He's a sick man, and deserves to suffer like the parents are doing and have done.

Chinese water torture would do the trick nicely. They could have it on 24 hours a day on E4 instead of Big Brother

i'd question how true that officer was being. and if he was really a prison officer.

talksport is utter shite.

each to their own  :|

You know that scene in the Green Mile, when the bloke didn't wet the sponge...

I personally feel he should'nt even have a room, A cage outside with all the other Wild animals is more appropriate.Sick bastard.

Probably too far Sade. Not that I want to defend his actions

Why is it too far? (god haysie you don't want to start :D )

Can you Imagine the last hour or so of those two girls lives? How absolutely mortified and distraught they must of been? Not to mention the pain they went through. One of them watching her best mate die.What an absolute sicko.

The reason it's too far is because as a society we have to be better than him. As soon as you start handing out punnishments for humiliation or for the enjoyment of others then you bring yourself down to the same level.

We condemn him because of what he did, but if we start looking at it as if we should take revenge and harm him, then we are lowering ourselfs to his level. Our right and responsibility to judge what he did as wrong, comes from the fact we don't perforom similar acts, justified or not.

You have a point but I will still stick to my statement.