Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFC_Chris on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:41:48 Midfielder Monkouse has signed on a 1 year deal from Rotheram.
Did he play against us this year, I dont remember him. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:44:43 And where did you hear this?.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:44:50 We've actually signed some one????? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Bloody hell! Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:45:28 where you get that from. it ent on any website ive looked on.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:45:48 Just got it on text
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:47:18 Ace. 8)
I might get Monkfish on the back of my shirt now "john actor plays a tough uncomprimising northern winger in Monkfish plays football - Oi Sandy! put yer knickers back on and make me a cup of tea love" Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:47:36 Apparently he played against us when they beat us at the CG.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: kevjoycreed on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:47:48 Ooooohhhhhhh.
2 big stories in one day. Like busses, wait for ages for one bit of news then wham......... Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:47:57 ok then. i forgive you all.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:48:24 Quote from: "Piemonte" Ace. 8) I might get Monkfish on the back of my shirt now "john actor plays a tough uncomprimising northern winger in Monkfish plays football - Oi Sandy! put yer knickers back on and make me a cup of tea love" Surely the McMonkfish was the best one of those ... "If he doesnneeee turn up then we'll have to solve it ourselves ..." Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:49:41 My avatar is back in tribute to our new signing. 8)
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: larwood on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:50:35 Quote I might get Monkfish on the back of my shirt now :soapy tit wank: Can't remember the bloke but hey we've signed someone :D Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:51:17 Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" My avatar is back in tribute to our new signing. 8) 8) good work, I just tried google images but couldnt find one :( Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFCBird on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:52:59 \:D/
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Stef Troll on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:53:21 Dennis Wise has made his first signing as Town manager by adding Andy Monkhouse to the squad for the 2006-7 season.
Monkhouse, 25, has been with League One side Rotherham United for the past eight years, having joined the club as a trainee and made 68 starts for The Millers. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:54:53 Quote from: "Piemonte" Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" My avatar is back in tribute to our new signing. 8) 8) good work, I just tried google images but couldnt find one :( Since mine is getting hopelessly out of date, I've changed to a Fast Show tribute too. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Danjackson10 on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:55:14 http://pictures.footymad.net/upload/450/247531-4.jpg
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFCBird on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:57:58 blimey bit of totty at last???
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFCere on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:58:01 is this guy any good? have to admit i know nothing about him
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:58:16 Hes a dreamboat :P
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: larwood on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:58:37 Yes,he does look a rather handsome chap :)
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:59:05 He was linked with a move to Mansfield.
http://www.mansfield.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=19339 Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFCere on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:59:34 is he any fucking good?!
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: le god cuervo on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 10:59:56 http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~841994,00.html
not exactly the big name we were expecting Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:00:05 Can someone link to his goals from last season please?
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Stef Troll on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:00:46 I'm guessing he has had injury problems
'Personally I think he would be a good signing, if he could stay fit, as we definitely need a couple of decent wingers ...' Hmmm Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:03:16 Quote from: "StefPol" I'm guessing he has had injury problems 'Personally I think he would be a good signing, if he could stay fit, as we definitely need a couple of decent wingers ...' Hmmm Yeah, doing some research back and he was out for the start of last season ... looks like he had a knee problem http://www.football.co.uk/rotherham_united/monkhouse_misery_for_millers_179373.shtml Got to admit, that week to week contract thing looks a bit worrying ... was that because of the injuries? Just what we need. A crock. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:06:01 Quote from: "Piemonte" Can someone link to his goals from last season please? Here: http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/videoSearchClipStreamingController/viewClips?quality=1&clipList=100142%2C00%3A01%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A18- and here http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/videoSearchClipStreamingController/viewClips?quality=1&clipList=56625%2C00%3A01%3A03%2C0%3A00%3A30- The second one v Plymouth is quite tasty. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Danjackson10 on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:06:05 link to any of his goals?
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Danjackson10 on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:06:24 nice one chris
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:06:40 Quote from: "Danjackson10" nice one chris YW Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFC_Chris on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:11:35 Piemonte...
Monkhouse (http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/videoSearchClipStreamingController/viewClips?quality=1&clipList=100142%2C00%3A01%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A18-56625%2C00%3A01%3A03%2C0%3A00%3A30-105915%2C00%3A00%3A05%2C0%3A00%3A21-46458%2C00%3A01%3A33%2C0%3A00%3A17-45594%2C00%3A00%3A52%2C0%3A00%3A33-45134%2C00%3A01%3A10%2C0%3A00%3A18-24923%2C00%3A00%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A25-22908%2C00%3A00%3A04%2C0%3A00%3A26-21214%2C00%3A00%3A04%2C0%3A00%3A39-21212%2C00%3A00%3A04%2C0%3A00%3A39-24924%2C00%3A00%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A25-28040%2C00%3A01%3A06%2C0%3A00%3A26-9400%2C00%3A00%3A26%2C0%3A00%3A13-) Edit: Looks like Ive been beaten to it. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Dorset Red on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:11:37 Quote from: Chris K Quote from: "Piemonte" http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/videoSearchClipStreamingController/viewClips?quality=1&clipList=100142%2C00%3A01%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A18- and here http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/videoSearchClipStreamingController/viewClips?quality=1&clipList=56625%2C00%3A01%3A03%2C0%3A00%3A30- The second one v Plymouth is quite tasty. Reminds me a little of Grunt Sniff. He moves in a similar way and, for someone who is meant to be a winger, he seems to come into the centre of the park a fair bit. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:16:20 Frustrated central midfielder ...
Mind you, Brian Gayboy Howard used to like cutting inside too. (!) Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFC_Chris on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:16:27 Quote from: "STFC_Chris" Piemonte... Monkhouse (http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/videoSearchClipStreamingController/viewClips?quality=1&clipList=100142%2C00%3A01%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A18-56625%2C00%3A01%3A03%2C0%3A00%3A30-105915%2C00%3A00%3A05%2C0%3A00%3A21-46458%2C00%3A01%3A33%2C0%3A00%3A17-45594%2C00%3A00%3A52%2C0%3A00%3A33-45134%2C00%3A01%3A10%2C0%3A00%3A18-24923%2C00%3A00%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A25-22908%2C00%3A00%3A04%2C0%3A00%3A26-21214%2C00%3A00%3A04%2C0%3A00%3A39-21212%2C00%3A00%3A04%2C0%3A00%3A39-24924%2C00%3A00%3A49%2C0%3A00%3A25-28040%2C00%3A01%3A06%2C0%3A00%3A26-9400%2C00%3A00%3A26%2C0%3A00%3A13-) Edit: Looks like Ive been beaten to it. Theres some cracking goals in that lot, particularly in the worthington cup a few years back. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Sade on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:16:40 :D Yay A player!!! woooo.
(and what Birdy said) Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFCBird on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:18:06 Quote from: "Sade" :D Yay A player!!! woooo. (and what Birdy said) bet he is minging in real life Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:23:46 Quote from: "le god cuervo" http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~841994,00.html not exactly the big name we were expecting Who was expecting a big name? I wasnt. We're in L2 FFS! Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Stef Troll on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:29:30 Hopefully this signals the end of Aaron fucking useless Brown.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Sade on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:30:10 Quote from: "STFCBird" Quote from: "Sade" :D Yay A player!!! woooo. (and what Birdy said) bet he is minging in real life http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c258/Sadie09/2715.jpg ? Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:32:01 Quote from: "StefPol" Hopefully this signals the end of Aaron fucking useless Brown. :nod: Aaron 'Im too good for League Two' Brown. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: STFCBird on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:33:33 Quote from: "Sade" Quote from: "STFCBird" Quote from: "Sade" :D Yay A player!!! woooo. (and what Birdy said) bet he is minging in real life http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c258/Sadie09/2715.jpg ? too young looking on closer inspection :( Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:35:16 never heard of him
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: le god cuervo on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:38:10 Quote from: "Piemonte" Quote from: "le god cuervo" http://www.swindontownfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10341~841994,00.html not exactly the big name we were expecting Who was expecting a big name? I wasnt. We're in L2 FFS! well after all the names that have been mentioned in the last few weeks you'd expect us to sign someone more exciting than a rotherham reserve player Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:40:44 I like the way some people are aleady criticising him, bunch of cunts.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Sade on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:42:13 It makes me laugh. You'd think they would have seen him play every single saturday :-))( Open your eyes!! Give the lad a chance.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:43:09 People moan and moan because we've not signed anyone then guess what? We sign some one and they're still moaning!
Priceless :mrgreen: Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:45:57 not overally convinced...we already have two decent left wingers....and now we've signed a 3rd....despite still not having a right winger
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:46:53 Quote from: "DV85" not overally convinced...we already have two decent left wingers....and now we've signed a 3rd....despite still not having a right winger Do we?. :shrug: Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:47:46 Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" Quote from: "DV85" not overally convinced...we already have two decent left wingers....and now we've signed a 3rd....despite still not having a right winger Do we?. :shrug: aaron brown david stroud Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Piemonte on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:49:05 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" Quote from: "DV85" not overally convinced...we already have two decent left wingers....and now we've signed a 3rd....despite still not having a right winger Do we?. :shrug: aaron brown david stroud thats about half a decent left winger in my view. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:50:09 Quote from: "DV85" Quote from: "Spuddy_STFC" Quote from: "DV85" not overally convinced...we already have two decent left wingers....and now we've signed a 3rd....despite still not having a right winger Do we?. :shrug: aaron brown david stroud :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:50:48 do you guys watch the same games as me?
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Spud on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:51:34 Quote from: "DV85" do you guys watch the same games as me? Obviously not. But Aaron Brown is too good for League Two. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: le god cuervo on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:54:00 i'm not moaning or critising anyone, its just that you wait & wait & wait for us to sign someone and then it turns out to be some injury prone winger you've never heard of. it makes you wonder whats coming next... barnet's reserve keeper or something.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: McLovin on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:54:11 That's two very poor left wingers...
I guess Monkfish is left footed from these comments then? Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: kevjoycreed on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:54:17 Mixed opinions on Brown, has the potential to be good but has yet to deliver consistantly.
Also David Stroud is hardly going to give Brown a great deal of competition for the place yet so signing a leftie is not a totally unexpected move. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:57:19 It's a bit harsh having a go at Stroud surely? He's played once (I think?) and was oustanding from what I heard.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: kevjoycreed on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 12:02:06 I'm not having a go, its just that Stroud has yet to break into the first team on a regular basis as yet and has little / no experiance. Therefore not likely to be challenging Brown for the shirt.
Aka Bullman failing to challenge Evans last term. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: kevjoycreed on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 12:03:11 Now got hard hat on waiting for abuse comparing Stroud to Bullman.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 12:04:06 David Stroud was awesome at Huddersfield and tore apart what was/is a very good side apart. He was a class above anything on that pitch and didnt look out of place.
Then he got injured, at the wrong time....but he showed me enough in that Huddersfield game... He is a good left winger, well worth and capable of a place in our first team Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Luci on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 12:24:32 It makes me laugh when people bang on about so called 'big names'. We signed Thorpe and Curo last season who were technically 'big names' and look where that got us!
Wise isn't on his own in this scouting and signing malarky. He has the help of some very experienced professionals, if they all didn't rate him and think he could do a job for us I doubt they would have signed him. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 12:48:27 Good signing and I actually did a bit of research last night as it was posted on the old Adver board late on.
Probably a fairly decent Championship player on past form and actually attracted some interest when he was there with Rotherham that would probably have required a considerable fee just a couple of seasons back. His departure from Rotherham looks more to do with the administrators rather than being down to a football decision. He was rumoured to be on a decent wage and with them sinking into financial woes they want everyone they possibly can get off the books over the summer. On the injury front he’s been on and off what looks for the past couple of years and reading a few of the Millers fan’s comments he’s never quite reached the same standard as he originally played at. A couple of chaps have mentioned that if he’s not given a regular kick up the behind then he can be one to rest on his laurels with again a few fans mentioning that with the crowd on his back he often looks their best player of the season. All in all a pretty good signing I’d say. If we can put him through boot camp and keep him motivated which I’d suspect Mr Wise will do then we may could have a quality player on our hands. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: RobertT on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 13:04:32 Reading that post Dazza makes me think Wise might have had an eye on him when at Millwall then.
Aaron Brown gets a lot of flack but I think he'll turn out to be a good signing. Lets not forget he had hardly played in 2 years when we got him, he started to show some good touched towards the end despite having to play as a wing back. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Rich Pullen on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 13:27:02 Quote from: "RobertT" Reading that post Dazza makes me think Wise might have had an eye on him when at Millwall then. Aaron Brown gets a lot of flack but I think he'll turn out to be a good signing. Lets not forget he had hardly played in 2 years when we got him, he started to show some good touched towards the end despite having to play as a wing back. I say welcome to Monkhouse - and if Brown plays like he did against Bristol City every week then he'll be liked. Whether that'll happen I do not know. Fingers crossed. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 13:28:22 fuckin' right Roberto - he will get better
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: sonic youth on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 14:52:48 if only he was called bob.
sounds like a decent player, i recognise the name but don't remember anything else but that's not a problem - i hadn't heard of most of the players we signed in 03/04 pre-season, had anyone? slightly concerned about his injuries, hope we've not signed a crock Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 15:07:00 Who had heard of Patrick Vieira when Arsenal signed him???
And before some lame brain chips in with "Ooooh, so you think he will be as good as Vieira do you?" No I don't. It's just an example. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: RobertT on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 15:11:41 The lad has also played in a total of 147 games (80 starts and 67 subs), not the 68 being used which is just the number of League Starts.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: red macca on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 15:30:26 some lad on thisis posted this yesterday
http://www.thisisstfc.co.uk/forum_new/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=29060 even more reason to get rid of carson imo.what cunt tells someone they dont even know what signings we are making Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 15:49:36 I fucking hate it when the chairmen of clubs talk to the fans aswell.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: red macca on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:01:15 Quote from: "Tails" I fucking hate it when the chairmen of clubs talk to the fans aswell. clever fucker aint you tails..carson said that yesterday then last night devlin reiterates the club wants to keep their cards close to their chest.how did carson know he was a fan he could be any fuckerTitle: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:13:27 The deal was pretty much already done, and if this fella was chatting to Carson I'm fairly certain he would have said he was a Swindon fan.
Just tired of people finding small reasons to have a go at Carson. It's really quite tedious. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: larwood on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:18:49 Quote if only he was called bob :soapy tit wank: Quote Just tired of people finding small reasons to have a go at Carson. I'm just tired of Carson tbh,if its all so much of a chore to be involved with us,why doesn't he just ride his horse on out of here? Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: red macca on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:19:54 tedious??grow up tails
as a chaiman the bloke is a grade A cunt..he laughed live on tv when asked if he would be opening his cheque book and said no chance.will not step down as chairman until he gets his money back(including interest) and whether you like it or not tails if the club are not revealing targets names then he shouldnt be either if anything it just proves he does not have a clue what the club are doing and carries on regardless.. as a man he isnt much better either i have been unfortunate to meet him on several occasions and he is a horrible little fucker Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: larwood on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:25:32 Quote and he is a horrible little fucker And he's Scottish :x Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: le god cuervo on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:32:37 rotherham fans' view on monkhouse...
http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=450&fid=215&sty=2&act=1&mid=2136585502 Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:36:28 sounds like he'll fit right in :?
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: RobertT on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 16:39:44 Some of them sound a bit bitter about him, then the whole message board looks like it attracts some odd people.
So, basically he seems to be gifted, a proper winger who can cross and on his day was their best player on the down side, he lives a lavish lifestyle, drinks a bit, and tends to need motivating to get a performance out of him. So, we have signed him based on potential, and I'm assuming our new regime will be sorting out the negative stuff with the new focus on lifestyle, diet and discipline. If that all does start to bear fruit then we could be onto a winner. Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: my-velocity on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:01:13 Quote from: "le god cuervo" rotherham fans' view on monkhouse... http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=450&fid=215&sty=2&act=1&mid=2136585502 Sounds like another Igoe. :| Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:21:58 Quote from: "stfcbeckett" Quote from: "le god cuervo" rotherham fans' view on monkhouse... http://boards.footymad.net/mboard/fmb.php?tno=450&fid=215&sty=2&act=1&mid=2136585502 Sounds like another Igoe. :| no it doesnt? Igoe was even a winger, however does sound like another fat bastard howard Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:23:26 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: lets hope thats not true
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: McLovin on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 19:57:25 Hmmmm, if Dennis can sort out the shit side of him, he could be quite handy...
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Danjackson10 on Thursday, June 22, 2006, 20:20:37 Quote from: "Dave Blackcurrant" Hmmmm, if Dennis can sort out the shit side of him, he could be quite handy... agree this type of player may react well to the wise man Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: Rich Pullen on Saturday, June 24, 2006, 08:38:35 Trust Shaun Hodgett's to do a Bob Monkhouse reference in his first interview with him on the BBC Wiltshire website.
Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: sonic youth on Saturday, June 24, 2006, 13:49:09 good ol' shaun 8)
he said in his interview that he plays on both wings, prefers the left but is happy on the right Title: Andy Monkhouse Post by: red macca on Saturday, June 24, 2006, 15:12:34 if he is anygood he can go on the right,brown on the left,wise and whalley in the middle unless we get someone better and if we get somebody better than wise we will be doing well wont we
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