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Just loaded my car up with my old Sony stereo which is fucking huge and heavy. My fucking sister was moaning cos it was blocking up the spare room so she had the bright idea of driving 13 miles to Banbury and take it to Cash Converters.

Get to Banbury, queue for 15 mins in Cunt Converters and describe said stereo sat around corner of shop in my car. He comes out, takes a look and offers £80, result.

Carry the fucking monster (stereo, turntable, 2 huge speakers, 3 surround sound speakers) into shop and then mop my brow.

Foreign twat behind counter checks it over then asks for i.d.

What fucking i.d you cunt???  :evil:

I nearly hit the cunt, i then had to carry it all back to my cunting car and drive back home.

I hate my sister.

You drive around without your driving license?

Yeah all the time.

Would have been no good anyway, wanted printed proof of address, i.e the paper section not the card.

We'll all have to carry ID cards soon enough.....pisses me off that the Tories object to this, i fyou've nothing to hide what's the problem?

I don't really see the point in ID cards to be honest.

My sister is taking it over friday now  :mrgreen:

it's simple, cash converters is where most foreign types get money/goods. shut cash converters and to be sure any other 2nd hand emporium.

then ship em all back, just to be extra sure. plus anyone that looks like a gypsy

 What have you got to hide?

Not really worth getting angry about,its so they can track you down if its stolen which has to be a good thing, ever had your house burgled?  that makes you proper angry.

No i haven't Yeovil but lugging it around and driving a 26 mile round trip for nothing makes me angry.

Werll it shouldn't ,you will end up getting an ulcer.

I already have  :evil:

See.

I told you.

Im very wise you know..second  most wise after Reg :D

Yeovil is right.  It's nickname isn't crack converters without reason.

And i haven't smoked since saturday (again)

Nothing. I just don't see the point. I personally don't think they will do anything to crime, terrorism, illegal immigration etc.

Spot on Si. If some loon wants to blow up a bus, they'll identify him from his teeth, not the contents of his bum-bag ffs.

the ID card is being proposed to make money for a currupt Labour government and nothing else!

I doubt it. The cost will probably all go towards the database and card system.

I'd soon rather spend money on intelligence and extra policing than a bit of plastic.

your probably right about the computer stuff being where the money i going! but have you seen the price of the damn things? you do wonder why it keeps going up. i aint paying £300 for one! its plastic for fuck sake!

ID cards are silly, it'll cost millions with little benefits (does anyone know what they're actually supposed to do?). you can forge anything; passports, driving licenses, id cards

Anyway, Cash Converters are evil.

Put it on Ebay then.

It keeps going up because it's going to cost loads to implement, more so than first estimations. I don't think we will see it happen though, not a compulsory one anyway, unless loads of people get a voluntary one. Of course, they'll probably make you get one if you want to renew your passport though  :roll:

i think ill skip a new passport when the time comes round then. thats 7 years

 The typical response of the Tory elite....it will save millions in benefit fraud, plus make it much easier to identify and round up and deport illegal immigrants.

 Of course, you Tories, see illegals as just a source of cheap labour for your cleaners etc.

and Labour think the Tories are full of Sleaze  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

of course that actually has nothing to do with the argument but still

I know this isnt going to help but here goes..... :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Think we should all have barcodes tatooed onto the back of are arms. Maybe computer chips injected into our skulls aswell.

Of course we should,  i also suggest hats with helmets in so we can be watched 24/7.

i thought this thread said I'M FUCKING HUNGRY, expected it to be another thread about your cooking! :P

stupid german

F**king 'ell Reg, when did you start mainlining the Daily Mail, then? The problems are (in no particular order):

1) ID cards will be wholly ineffective in tackling the problems the spin doctors tell us they're designed to tackle
2) I'm a citizen not a subject - there's been quite enough erosion of our civil liberties over the past five years thanks
3) The people who've really got something to worry about are those who fall through the cracks because some stupid f**king civil servant screws up their records - the more infallible a system is reckoned to be (and the govt despite endless IT cock-ups to prove otherwise have this touching faith in the infallibility of their "gold standard" national ID database), the more difficult it is to convince them they've screwed up. What are you going to do when some YTS trainee mixes up your records with Abu Qatadas and you can't get a bank account, a passport or leave your house without getting nicked. And when you try to put the mistake right, some faceless idiot sits there on the end of the helpline giving it "Computer says no"
4) "What have you got to hide?" C'mon, that's the lamest one going - why don't you ask the 65% of coppers who refused to give samples to the national DNA database on a voluntary basis? They might not have anything to hide, but they know better than most how systems like this are always abused and rarely effective.

Just off the top of my head like... there's dozens more.

I'm surprised to see you giving way to this kind of lazy thinking ("What have you got to hide?", "If the Tories are agin it, I'm for it"), not like you at all.

Basta!

My main objection to carrying an I.D card is the cost. Couldn't give a monkeys about carrying one, but i'm not paying one that's a fact.

However, wouldn't mind seeing a whole DNA database set up, rather than just for people who get arrested.

Fuck that, the bastards whould blatently secretly clone me into some sort of semi-robotic cyborg. Cunts... actualyl that would be well cool. I'd have a robotic twin. I think he's called Herbitude.

Biometric passports are already here and they're only a short hop, skip and a jump from having a retina scan as well as interviews for first time applicants and others in certain scenarios.

Shortly when you get a passport you're going to have to get an ID card anyway.

I've seen the system Paul and the only way it'll fuck up is if you fuck-up your application and even then it's likely it'll be picked up on.  In effect all that will be on there is what's on your passport nothing more nothing less.  

I don't buy into the whole terrorist prevention malarky but in terms of ID it's light-years ahead and so much safer than the systems and documents we have now.  With very little time and info it's ridiculously easy to assume someone's identity and not get caught.  

Plus we'll be able to hop over borders without any hassle like a lot of Western Europeans do already.  

I’m with Reg if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.  If a copper or bank official asks you to handover your documents most people do it without asking.  At least with a chipped ID card it’s a hell of a lot safer than a document anyone could rip off in under 24hrs.  

Not infallible but a damn sight safer and would take a serious amount of time, money and effort to rip off instead of a couple of stamps and a day or two of waiting.

I don't see why people have a problem with ID cards. If you've nothing to hide, no problem, and if it saves some of (or a lot of..) the tax we pay by weeding out the frauds, what is there to disagree with?

It's a no brainer, surely?! Unless you're a traveller, murderer, illegal killer immigrant, and all that crap etc..

From the huge savings the government would make in the long run, it will mean the government will have more money for the things we vote them into power for. Health, Education, Pensions (bit of a long shot that one I admit!)

To be honest, it worrys me that some of the young'uns on here don't see the reasons why ID cards would help the state of this country.

I had a rant  8)

No-one's seen the system yet, they're redesigning it almost daily. Bear in mind this system will be run by the Home Office, the same monkeys that can't manage to review released prisoners for deportation properly.

They're already looking at putting health and NI details on the national ID database - for your own convenience, nothing to fear.


So why then did 65% of coppers (who know more than most about how such systems, can be, will be and are abused) refuse to voluntarily register for the DNA database? Nothing to fear? Most coppers thought otherwise. I've got something to fear - I don't trust the government, not this one, not the last one, not the next one.

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The govt have never yet delivered an IT project on time, on budget or working. NHS, Pensions, IND, Passport Office - all massively late, billions over budget and delivered not working. The idea that they'll save money is laughable - we'll be paying them for removing our freedoms for years to come
Wel, I'm 35 so assuming you're not completely doddery, I'd say that hardly classifies me as a young'un. Tbh it worries me that some of those old enough to know better don't see when they're being conned by an authoritarian govt.

i'm no fucking tory thank you very much, i wouldn't even consider voting for them.

The DVLA fucked up loads of license re-issues not too long ago. I wouldn't trust a system initially, it always has flaws.

There's not one system without its bugs, but then it's a case of is it more or less than human error, so potentially, from an administrative sense it could a good thing.

What I'm not happy about is why should I have to pay for the priviliege of sharing my information for something I believe will reap little benefit. There's no political accountability in that I'm afraid.

Paul's right, the man is trying to keep us down! We need to fight the man, not embrace his ways!!! What would Lebowski say?!

what does an ID card do that a driving license or passport can't?

Leftie Davis isnt allowed to agree with Goverments in any shape or form.

I thought that's what the Police force's 'stop and search' policy was all about?.

I dont mind having an I.D Card but im not fucking paying for one.

Hmm, Yeovil thinks I'm a leftie because I don't agree with ID cards and Reg thinks anyone opposed to ID cards is part of the Tory elite. So I must have got it about right. Either that, or I'm a Liberal. How depressing.

Not going to go into it as I'd get my bottom spanked but the finished system was pretty much in place weeks if not months ago.  Still amendments going on but for the best part it's already there.

Biometric passports are already being trialled in consulates, technology and set-up for ID cards is pretty much the same system.

In many respects certain departments are light-years ahead of the press and even the Government!



Different monkeys altogether, the people responsible for ID cards are nothing to do with that side of the Home Office.




That's a hell of a long way off and the key phrase of that is 'looking'.  I wouldn't worry to much as the logistics of including both would be so expensive you're more likely to see Prescott circling the top of Blackpool Tower.

Again though what objection is there to having your NI number on an ID card or even vital key medical info?  



Out of principal (or maybe guilt in some cases).

Completely different to an ID card though.  All your ID card is going to carry initially is your basic personal information and eventually biometric identifiers that will be present in your passport and will eventually become necessary to enter certain countries.

It's not the card that is the biggest problem tho dazza - it's the national ID database that is behind it and which the card both represents and is the physical token of. So it doesn't matter what's stored on the card - the govt is setting up a national identity and surveillance system the likes of which the world has never seen.

And it's all very well saying "Oh, they're not doing such and such yet" or "They're only looking at that" - sure as eggs is eggs, once this thing is in place, the govt will find all kinds of nice new uses for it, and once the principal has been conceded, it'll be "Well, we've already got the cards, so it makes sense to add xyz". Look at the DNA database - started out as just taking DNA off criminals and only in relation to particular crimes but we'll destroy the samples afterwards, then they started retaining the samples, then they started taking samples from suspects and retaining those, then they started retaining samples from volunteers. Now they're calling for a permanent nationwide DNA database, whether you're a crim or not. And no I don't want to debate the rights and wrongs of the DNA database (as you say it's a separate issue) but the point is that with any govt power grab like this once you've conceded the principal you're screwed, they'll go on taking miles till they're blue in the face.

Ask yourself this: if you're happy to go on the "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" principal, are you equally happy for some civil servant to listen to all your phone calls, read all your post, read all your emails? After all, it'll help combat terrorism (maybe) or benefit fraud (possibly) or illegal immigration (in some unspecified way) and as a decent citizen you've got nothing to worry about have you?

Im happy for them to do all this.  Surely the UK will be safer for this and therefore is a good thing?

It will be like that book based on the reality tv show. Where we're all part of big brother.

How will we be safer? Cos the govt sure as shit can't tell us - Blunkett first and then Clarke have always backed down when asked in parliament to describe how ID cards would make us safer from terrorism etc Because they won't

Id cards will be developed to spray unremovable pink paint all over anyone who is a terrorist (the ID card will have mind reading ability).

There, easy, see someone painted pink, you know what they are up to.

I can already see the public enquiry into the accidental shooting of Mr Blobby by anti-terrorist police  :D If you could guarantee that, I'd willingly carry an ID card!

Mr Blobby is clearly a terrorist.  What other reason is there for wearing such large amounts of cushioning and working with Noel Edmunds?

Why he hasn't been locked up is a mystery.

Sheesh Ben, lighten up. You're being way too serious  :wink:

Actually that post made me chuckle.

The evidence-

You smoke roll ups.
Your a Veggie.

Sounds like a leftie to me  :P

(hahaha thats rubbish evidence 8) Lefties are great anyway Adjes one as well)

***more evidence just found***




Pure class war comment :D

Surely it will sort out illigal immigrants and that in my book is a good thing.

How?

Well, that's me bang to rights then :D  I'm off to knit myself some sandals

Millions to be made in fraud Paul, that's how.  Little ID card distributors will make a mint out of them.  See, it generates employment!!

This thread has gone from Ralphy wanting to lamp the bloke in 'cunt converters' to I.D Cards.  :mrgreen:

Hate to break it to you Paul but the system is already in place and has been for about 3 years, possibly even longer.   :D

The ID card database is an extension of the existing passport database only they are going to open up access to accredited institutions like the police and qualified bank staff etc.

No one can amend your records unless you re-apply for a new card.  All data is stored on a biometric chip on the card not on a database and once issued it cannot be altered without destroying the chip.

For example if your lifted by the boys in blue they will read that chip and then bring up your details and cross reference it with whatever criminal database system they use.  They cannot amend your information on your card it's as simple as that.

Of course they can always screw up their own database but that's no different to current circumstances anyway.

I can guarantee you that you won't see any DNA or supplementary information on an ID card in the next 25 years and even then it's a long shot.  

You're just a frustrated Hippy at heart really, go on admit it?    :P

Bang to rights, guv. I plan to subvert the national ID database with lentils.

Trust me it's not that bad chief!

It's so simple to rip-off someone's ID at the moment anything is an improvement at the moment.  Just to scare you a bit did you know...

That as I know your name and rough geographic location I can obtain everything required from the directory and electoral register to obtain official certified copies of your long and short birth certificates from the register in Southport?  All of which can be done over the phone by anyone.  In fact I don't even have to pretend to be you!

At this point two seconds in Photoshop to knock up a utility bill and I can already take a loan out in your name from a lot of high Street lenders.

Presuming you were born before 1983 all I require to obtain a new passport in your name is the copy of that short birth certificate.  

What about countersignatures I hear you cry?  Did you know anyone with so much as a degree or degree level qualification (read HND) can countersign a passport application?

I now have your passport which is all I need to get your driving license.

I then move you to a new address obtain credit cards, loans and even mortgages using your ID.  

The only way you will find out that someone is stiffing your ID is if you regularly check your credit rating (which everyone should do by the way).

I've left  couple of details that I'm not going to reveal but in essence the above info is really all you need.
 
Not that I ever would do of course but you get the idea    :D

And if I'm ever the victim of identity theft, I now have a prime suspect  :D

Tell you what by way of recompense I'll loan you the use of the Brazilian Villa when ever you like!

Sounds fair. Wasn't he an Argie tho?  ..... I'll get me coat