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Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: DMR on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 22:06:08
Anyone watching/seen it?

Rubbish. Utter crap in my humble opinion. Very tenuous links between things from Moore (who irritates the hell outta me) and blatant anti-Bush nihilistic shight that, if fairly presented, could add great weight to the fat boy's argument.

He also strikes me as very very racist.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: oxford_fan on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 22:13:03
i didn't think it was very good at all, for the reasons you state.

very bias and by just offering some counter-arguments and then logically dismissing them, it would have added alot to his argument.

some of the things mentioned in the film such as all of bin ladens family boarding flights when otherwise the whole country was "grounded" are rubbish too, its just the way he's cleverly worded them.

if you cant make george bush look bad, then you must be pretty shit.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: DMR on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 22:21:54
One think that irked me....

The whole Bush in the school as he got told about 9/11 unfolding. OK, not great action from George Dubbya but how the fuck would anyone know how to instantaneously react to that?

Michael Moore is clearly either very politically passionate or just very sad because Bush has pissed in his pint or whatever they drink over there. I suspect the latter.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Dazzza on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 22:40:20
Can't remember exactly but Moore actually helped Bush originally get in office.

 He urged voters in one state to vote for a no-hoper candidate the swing in votes didn't effect the Bush candidate but his main opponent lost key votes and lost.  

The rest they say is history.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Amir on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 23:11:07
Do you mean Ralph Nader, Dazzza?  If so Moore actually didn't agree with him running in such a tight fought election(although he's long been a supporter of his), because he knew it would enivitably take votes from the Democrats.


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very bias and by just offering some counter-arguments and then logically dismissing them, it would have added alot to his argument.


It is very biased, but the US media is by and large right leaning and rarely critical.  I would say Moore was trying to counterbalance this to a large extent, and that is why the film is so lopsided.  The fact that American politicians can be in such conflicts of interests without being forced out of them is unbelievable in my eyes.  In Britain the fact that there could be a conflict of interest is seen as a problem and resolved.  In America they let politicians get away with it unless wrong doing is proved.


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some of the things mentioned in the film such as all of bin ladens family boarding flights when otherwise the whole country was "grounded" are rubbish too, its just the way he's cleverly worded them


Why is that?  Just wondering as I know he does twist things to his advantage(he's said so himself).


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 23:13:26
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
One think that irked me....

The whole Bush in the school as he got told about 9/11 unfolding. OK, not great action from George Dubbya but how the fuck would anyone know how to instantaneously react to that?

Michael Moore is clearly either very politically passionate or just very sad because Bush has pissed in his pint or whatever they drink over there. I suspect the latter.

Shocking but true, I agree with you David.  I like Michael Moore very much and  F9/11 is not a bad film but at times it's just really naive.  There's the bit in the film where he's taking the piss out of the countries who formed the alliance with the USA (countries like Romania and Costa Rica for example) and he ignores the fact that the UK (and let's face it, we ARE a major power) were part of that alliance.

My verdict:  Could have done MUCH better.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Boeta on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 23:15:19
Shit, I wanted to watch this but was out playing cricket and forgot to record it.  :(


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 23:32:06
yes i did notice some of the tenuous links. However, what the film does highlight is how pointless the whole war in Iraq is and how ignorant people can be. Michael Moore has made very biased points, but lets not forget the overall picture - that the film is designed to open the eyes of Americans, and sometimes the only way is to hit them hard. This explains the bias and why the tenuous links in this film were made


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Tails on Thursday, January 27, 2005, 23:33:19
It's a good film as its cleverly done and for the most part it does what Michael Moore intended it to do.

It may be biased but he has some good points and a lot of what he's said is actually true. I think a motion was signed by members of their government and none of them actually read it.

It is extremely biased but George Bush is still a moron.

Bowling for Columbine's good aswell, but if you didn't like F9/11 then you probably wouldn't like that one..


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: oxford_fan on Friday, January 28, 2005, 00:05:37
amir, moore gave the impression that all flights were grounded and the bin ladens flew out of the country within hours. in fact, they departed separately over a period of a month after the grounding was first put in place.

there must be websites out there with a list of all the errors.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, January 28, 2005, 01:01:21
If you've got an interest in the news then it's pretty obvious the way f9/11 is flawed, the same way it's obvious the crap that comes out of the amarican goverment is mostly flawed aswell. The American properganda machine is pretty bad, but it's a shame that michael moore had to go as far in the other direction, there is enough evidence out there to make a balanced film which critisies the war, US foriegn policy etc.

To back him up a bit though you have to remember the film was made for the american public, where the media IS (one of the few points he gets right) pretty biased. So there is a reason for such a sensationalist aproach.  Possibly...


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 28, 2005, 09:18:22
Personally I enjoyed the docu-film.  I think Moore was trying to be over the top anti Bush.  I get the feeling that he had to be extremist to get his point across to the dumb ass americans who happen to believe everything Fox, USA Today and George W tell them.

I think there was a survey conducted in the build up to the war relating to 9/11, or 11/9 depending on which side of the pond your from, asking who was to blame for the attack.  Saddam came out on top - educated America eh?

The bit about the American firms getting involved in rebuilding Iraq was good too.  Great to see them like a fox in a farmers field eyeing up their next killing.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:07:09
I prefer Mark Thomas.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:10:09
oh who gives a fuck about them piss pot americans neway?


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:12:27
Quote from: "Rich"
oh who gives a fuck about them piss pot americans neway?


Erm, the rest of the world, that they are trying to "police".


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:14:38
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
I prefer Mark Thomas.


I used to really like Mark Thomas' Comedy Product, even saw him live at Reading festival one year, really good, funny stuff.  But now I find that he's gone a bit too anti everything!!

Remember the one where he flew a hot air balloon over a secret Miltary Spying Area, in oxfordshire I think, that was a good one.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:15:38
yeh i h8 thier policing stratergy in iraq an all  but who really cares about American domestic politics or indeed the american ppl?


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:18:32
Well because they have the power to at least influence their government, it is impotant mate.  Not really happy about that fact, but that's the way it is.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:21:17
yeh i spose. neway u saw mark thomas live at reading fest?

***Yes I suppose.No way,you saw Mark Thomas live at the Reading Festival****

That took 10 seconds

Dont type with this text shit your not 12 and your not limited for space in your reply as you would be on a phone.

Lots of Love

Yeovil  "Hardcore Moderater" Red


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: janaage on Friday, January 28, 2005, 11:28:59
Yeah, back in about 97, he was very good, from what I can remember, was pissed and a bit wasted at the time though.


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Piemonte on Friday, January 28, 2005, 12:26:18
I saw Mark thomas at the wyvern a year or so ago.

He was very good, even though i dont agree with many of his political views (hes a couple of steps from being a comunist really)

He showed vidoes as part of the show, holding a fancy dress party at the shareholders meeting of Balfour Beaty (he bought 1 share) then absoluley mudering the 200 year old chairman with his questions on Balfour Beaty's unethical policys. very funny


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, January 28, 2005, 12:27:45
Quote from: "Rich"
yeh i spose. neway u saw mark thomas live at reading fest?

Wouldn't it be easier just to type normally?


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 28, 2005, 12:54:26
:evil:


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, January 28, 2005, 12:56:42
haha yeovil red is getting worse than those grumpy old men you see on the television!  :old


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: yeo on Friday, January 28, 2005, 12:58:41
8)  Thanks


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Piemonte on Friday, January 28, 2005, 13:07:52
He has a point though

txt spk pi5535 m3 off a gr8 deel


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, January 28, 2005, 13:29:49
thats number plate speak! i can't type text speak very quickly on a keyboard anyway


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Johno on Friday, January 28, 2005, 15:56:20
I thought it was quite good and interesting. Surely though if all that Bush stuff was true... how did he get re elected!

also, of course it as one sided... thats the whole point!


Title: Farenheit 9/11
Post by: Amir on Friday, January 28, 2005, 16:19:08
Quote from: "janaage77"
Quote from: "Yeovil Red"
I prefer Mark Thomas.


I used to really like Mark Thomas' Comedy Product, even saw him live at Reading festival one year, really good, funny stuff.  But now I find that he's gone a bit too anti everything!!

Remember the one where he flew a hot air balloon over a secret Miltary Spying Area, in oxfordshire I think, that was a good one.


Kicking a football into Buckingham Palace and asking for it back, projecting 'this is MI5' on their 'secret' headquarters, harrassing Michael Meacher so much in the street he forgot where he was going :soapy tit wank:   Funny that his old stand up was just about shagging.