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Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Stef Troll on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 07:43:12
Former Swindon Town manager Andy King has taken the club to an industrial tribunal to try to claim the wages he is owed, reports BBC Radio Swindon.
King was sacked last September and under the terms of his contract he was due to receive a year's wages.

Swindon started to pay the money but stopped because they claimed they could not afford to keep up the payments.

However, deputy Chairman Mark Devlin says the club intend to eventually pay King the money he is owed.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 07:53:44
Shame we can't just bring him back.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: larwood on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 07:56:33
Part of me wouldn't be surprised if he did come back :wink: ,our board are so crap :roll:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 08:17:24
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Shame we can't just bring him back.


yeah, a huge shame.

what an utter fucking cunt, once was bad enough but fucking hell.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 08:22:17
Twice actually, he was brought back before because he took legal action and they couldn't afford to settle if you remember


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 08:24:37
Be serious every other manager in the same position would do exactly the same thing, we haven't paid him for 6 months.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 09:19:45
This the sort of thing the LMA deals with.....as a member King will have informed them and then they would deal with it.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 09:44:11
Cunt, but we knew his reputation for doing this so why oh why was he given a contract that would allow him a 12 month payoff?

Back in 03 he in an interview on the radio he was set to be offered a contract that would allow his disposal at next to no expense yet he's been given the opportunity to start shafting for his cash again.

Now he's entitled to it you can't really argue with what he's doing.  He's entitled to it and could you expect Andy King to walk away with dignity and a bit of thoughtfulness?  

Could you fuck, the twat.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Amir on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 10:07:15
It is a wind up, still I reckon we'd all do the same in that situation if we weren't fans of the club.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 10:31:11
Be fair dazza, why should he walk away with (a big chunk of) money owed to him? I took VR last Sept and made damn sure I got every penny coming to me, and if my then employers hadn't paid me, I'd have taken action against them as well. Unless there's something we don't know about this (and, to be fair, there usually is) or something I've forgotten to take into account (and, to be fair, there usually is), I don't see how this is any different, really.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 10:57:46
Football management has got to be the only job where you you get paid off for doing such a crap job!


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:02:24
Quote from: "Ginginho"
Football management has got to be the only job where you you get paid off for doing such a crap job!

No it's not - look at all the directors of top companies who routinely get paid millions when they get forced out after wrecking the company. It's all down to contracts, which is the same as here.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:02:38
Quote from: "Ginginho"
Football management has got to be the only job where you you get paid off for doing such a crap job!


 Far from it....any higher grades in the business world, get a wedge for being fired, in some companies its middle management as well.

 Same applies in public sector as well.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:05:42
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Shame we can't just bring him back.


Oh for fucks sake SHUT UP.

He was fucking sacked move on.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:07:07
Rewards for failure in industry:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/mobile/article/0,,1726775,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/executivepay/story/0,1204,626984,00.html
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=607712003


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:07:52
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Shame we can't just bring him back.


Oh for fucks sake SHUT UP.

He was fucking sacked move on.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:26:36
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Shame we can't just bring him back.


Oh for fucks sake SHUT UP.

He was fucking sacked move on.
Still a shame though.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:31:54
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "dave_m_russell"
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Shame we can't just bring him back.


Oh for fucks sake SHUT UP.

He was fucking sacked move on.
Still a shame though.


is it really? i think the decision to cut adrift king and try something new was completely correct. the trend with king in charge was horrendous and atleast for a spell with iffy we looked like we'd stay up


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:36:54
However had King stayed we definitely would have stayed up. I've got no doubt about that.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:39:47
Quote from: "pauld"
Be fair dazza, why should he walk away with (a big chunk of) money owed to him? I took VR last Sept and made damn sure I got every penny coming to me, and if my then employers hadn't paid me, I'd have taken action against them as well. Unless there's something we don't know about this (and, to be fair, there usually is) or something I've forgotten to take into account (and, to be fair, there usually is), I don't see how this is any different, really.


It’s personal opinion to be honest Paul.  

He’s entitled to the money so we have no option to pay it.  More fool us for allowing him to be in a position where he was able to claim a penny after being dismissed.  In fact more fool us for hiring him second time around.

The fact that he obtained the job off the back of dropping his first court case and after listening to all of the bollocks “I am Swindon Town Football club”, “I have the club’s best interests at heart” over the past few years to now see him taking the club to court again is a bitter pill to swallow.  The fact that we’re struggling to pay him would indicate we’re struggling financially, as ever, which makes it all the worse.  

It’s naďve to think that King was anything other than a lower league mercenary and expect any different of him.  There are still a few people with dignity in the game like King’s predecessor who walked away without so much as a penny when he departed but as I said it doesn’t leave an endearing image of the man.  Having seen how Ruddock quickly turned from hero to zero after treading a similar path I can’t see it being to long before King is universally loathed and quite rightly so.

As I said purely personal opinion, yes he’s entitled but it doesn’t stop me from hoping he spends the rest of his career rotting on one long miserable period of  ‘gardening leave’.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Luci on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:41:31
I suppose it was just a matter of time before people started talking about the "what if King had stayed scenario".

How could we have stayed up with a manager who didn't:

Motivate the players?
Choose the right tactics?


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: sonic youth on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:44:05
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
However had King stayed we definitely would have stayed up. I've got no doubt about that.


fuck off you cunt.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:44:24
Quote from: "STFCLady"
I suppose it was just a matter of time before people started talking about the "what if King had stayed scenario".

How could we have stayed up with a manager who didn't:

Motivate the players?
Choose the right tactics?


Clearly give a flying fuck?





Lord I'm having a black day. :twisted:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Ben Wah Balls on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:44:26
Quote from: "STFCLady"


How could we have stayed up with a manager who didn't:

Motivate the players?
Choose the right tactics?
Good point, probably wasn't the best idea appointing Iffy when you put it like that. :wink:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:46:23
Go munch on some urinapple chunks Ben, I want to have a good moan about the useless twat in peace.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:49:46
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Quote from: "STFCLady"


How could we have stayed up with a manager who didn't:

Motivate the players?
Choose the right tactics?
Good point, probably wasn't the best idea appointing Iffy when you put it like that. :wink:


He did seem to change things around for a bit.  However the lack of experience in the coaching staff let panic set in I think.  I firmly believe we would also be relegated, much sooner, with King in charge.  It wasn't a 10 match problem, more a since January ish problem which suggested things would not get much better for the rest of the season.

I'd like some experience brought in, maybe like Lawrence at Rovers is helping Trollope.  However, Kings time was up.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 11:55:03
To be fair I don't think there's much separating the two in terms of results over the period.  

I'd be interested to see how King would have used the Cock and Brown (sounds like a double act or DVD I have) resources and if he could have dug his way out of trouble.  

Seriously doubt it, as I've said before if you look back over King's reign for vast periods he was solely reliant on Sam Parkin's contribution and even substituting him for a 15 goal a season man  we'd have been in serious shit very quickly but you never know.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 12:05:47
Quote from: "dazzza"
Quote from: "pauld"
Be fair dazza, why should he walk away with (a big chunk of) money owed to him? I took VR last Sept and made damn sure I got every penny coming to me, and if my then employers hadn't paid me, I'd have taken action against them as well. Unless there's something we don't know about this (and, to be fair, there usually is) or something I've forgotten to take into account (and, to be fair, there usually is), I don't see how this is any different, really.


It’s personal opinion to be honest Paul.  

He’s entitled to the money so we have no option to pay it.  More fool us for allowing him to be in a position where he was able to claim a penny after being dismissed.  In fact more fool us for hiring him second time around.

The fact that he obtained the job off the back of dropping his first court case and after listening to all of the bollocks “I am Swindon Town Football club”, “I have the club’s best interests at heart” over the past few years to now see him taking the club to court again is a bitter pill to swallow.  The fact that we’re struggling to pay him would indicate we’re struggling financially, as ever, which makes it all the worse.

Yeah, fair enough, although anyone who believes the "I'm taking such and such a course of action because I love the club" line from any manager or player at any club deserves all the disappointment they've got coming to them. He took the job because he knew he wouldn't get paid off, irrespective of the court case, because the club didn't have the money, and because he knew he wouldn't have got another manager's job elsewhere. Love for the club didn't come into it, never does, that's just the line they all parrot for the press because it sounds better than "I didn't have a hope in hell of getting my hands on the cash and no-one else wanted me".

On the flip-side, I don't especially blame the club for prioritising other bills over paying off King either.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Dazzza on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 12:08:52
Quote from: "pauld"
Quote from: "dazzza"
Quote from: "pauld"
Be fair dazza, why should he walk away with (a big chunk of) money owed to him? I took VR last Sept and made damn sure I got every penny coming to me, and if my then employers hadn't paid me, I'd have taken action against them as well. Unless there's something we don't know about this (and, to be fair, there usually is) or something I've forgotten to take into account (and, to be fair, there usually is), I don't see how this is any different, really.


It’s personal opinion to be honest Paul.  

He’s entitled to the money so we have no option to pay it.  More fool us for allowing him to be in a position where he was able to claim a penny after being dismissed.  In fact more fool us for hiring him second time around.

The fact that he obtained the job off the back of dropping his first court case and after listening to all of the bollocks “I am Swindon Town Football club”, “I have the club’s best interests at heart” over the past few years to now see him taking the club to court again is a bitter pill to swallow.  The fact that we’re struggling to pay him would indicate we’re struggling financially, as ever, which makes it all the worse.

Yeah, fair enough, although anyone who believes the "I'm taking such and such a course of action because I love the club" line from any manager or player at any club deserves all the disappointment they've got coming to them. He took the job because he knew he wouldn't get paid off, irrespective of the court case, because the club didn't have the money, and because he knew he wouldn't have got another manager's job elsewhere. Love for the club didn't come into it, never does, that's just the line they all parrot for the press because it sounds better than "I didn't have a hope in hell of getting my hands on the cash and no-one else wanted me".

On the flip-side, I don't especially blame the club for prioritising other bills over paying off King either.


Christ, don't get me wrong I didn't believe it any more at the time than I do now.   :o

Bllod suckers the lot of them.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 12:14:17
Quote from: "dazzza"
Bllod suckers the lot of them.

Bllod suckers? Is that some sort of Welsh fetish?  :shock:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Fred Elliot on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 12:22:55
Quote from: "pauld"
Quote from: "dazzza"
Quote from: "pauld"
Be fair dazza, why should he walk away with (a big chunk of) money owed to him? I took VR last Sept and made damn sure I got every penny coming to me, and if my then employers hadn't paid me, I'd have taken action against them as well. Unless there's something we don't know about this (and, to be fair, there usually is) or something I've forgotten to take into account (and, to be fair, there usually is), I don't see how this is any different, really.


It’s personal opinion to be honest Paul.  

He’s entitled to the money so we have no option to pay it.  More fool us for allowing him to be in a position where he was able to claim a penny after being dismissed.  In fact more fool us for hiring him second time around.

The fact that he obtained the job off the back of dropping his first court case and after listening to all of the bollocks “I am Swindon Town Football club”, “I have the club’s best interests at heart” over the past few years to now see him taking the club to court again is a bitter pill to swallow.  The fact that we’re struggling to pay him would indicate we’re struggling financially, as ever, which makes it all the worse.

Yeah, fair enough, although anyone who believes the "I'm taking such and such a course of action because I love the club" line from any manager or player at any club deserves all the disappointment they've got coming to them. He took the job because he knew he wouldn't get paid off, irrespective of the court case, because the club didn't have the money, and because he knew he wouldn't have got another manager's job elsewhere. Love for the club didn't come into it, never does, that's just the line they all parrot for the press because it sounds better than "I didn't have a hope in hell of getting my hands on the cash and no-one else wanted me".

On the flip-side, I don't especially blame the club for prioritising other bills over paying off King either.


Right on !

Let's get this straight ;

Has he walked into another managerial/coaching/scouting role ?

NO

Considering he has alledgedly not been paid since November, and with no discernable income, the guy must have been living off something to pay for his Hamlet's.

How many of us supporters could sustain any form of lifestyle with no wages for 6 months ?

We would all be bankrupt by now and living on the streets !

My fucking heart bleeds for him ..................... NOT !


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Spud on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 14:28:55
Quote from: "Ben Wah Balls"
Shame we can't just bring him back.


 :shock:  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: rudeboydreas on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 16:00:19
'You wanted Kingy out, sing you wanted Kingy out'


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Spud on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 16:27:08
Quote from: "rudeboydreas"
'You wanted Kingy out, sing you wanted Kingy out'


 :nod:  :dance:


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: Johno on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 16:36:10
this was coming...course king wants his money, he has been told he desevres it due to contract and isn't getting it, so he will do what he can to get it.


Title: Swindon taken to tribunal by King
Post by: jim on Wednesday, April 26, 2006, 16:54:15
Wasn't he rumoured to be working with Paul Jewell?