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the board can shove their stupid, unrealistic stadium plans up their arses.
cant people see what these morons are doing to our club?
scaremongering supporters about folding unless we get a new ground etc is a load of shit.
the fans of stfc have been shit on time and time again,the fools that believe everything devlin says are the type the board love,blinded by loyalty.
i would ask every supporter of swindon town to think for themselves.
look at the facts and compare us to other clubs.
personally there are too many questions that aint been answered.
these are some of mine!

1.do the board have the interests of stfc as their main priority?
2.why are we charged ridiculous prices for sub standard football?
3.where are the new proposed locations of the athletics and cricket clubs?
4.why is a 15500 stadium not good enough for us?
5.why were decent contracts not offered to last seasons squad?
6.how much does devlin earn?
i could go on and on but the above is more than enough for me.

I'm fairly sure all of those have been answered, except 6, which is a bit personal ain't it? PM him if your curious, he might tell you

basically the stadium question is simple, i know we cant even fill our current stadium but its what can go with the new stadium i.e hotel and what not.

basically they've seen what Reading have done and think they can do the same, but we cant cos we have cunts running our club not willing to put money in ie Carson u squeeky little fucking cunt wank pricking shit face

It wouldn't be funded by the members of the board anyway.

i wasnt talkin bout just stadium, the whole club in general

i agree with that and i would like some answers to them questions also

1. Don't be so fucking stupid.
2. Because that's what they have to charge to make ends meet. Dropping prices wouldn't bring back enough fans to balance the money we would have lost, by dropping the prices in the first place. If that makes any sense?
3. I have no idea.
4. It's not about the size of the stadium, it's about ownership of the stadium. As we don't own it, we pay rent to the council. This is crippling us financially. A stadium of our own would create extra revenue, unrelated to football (hotel, gym, cinema etc etc etc)
5. By decent, i assume you mean long term? Simple, we haven't got enough money to guarantee big wages (or even medium sized wages) over a long period of time (ie beyond a year)
6. Ask him

i would say you are the stupid one.
correct me if i am wrong but i thought the new plans for the stadium would still keep the council as owners.
and why is question1 so fucking stupid?

question one isnt Arriba! they just dont care!

Yeah, that's absolutely right, the board are desperate for us to go under. In fact, they have been planning a celebratory meal for when the bell tolls. Horse burgers and champagne all round

You don't need to start a new line after every sentence....

We have a right to be angry, but your anger is misplaced.  Sir Mark Devlin earns four magic beans a week....  I for one think he does a good job for the club and was delighted hearing he was coming back after sodding off to QPR.  I met him at the playoff semi final after a ticketting ballsup and he did seem to genuinely have the fan's best interest at heart.

However, as he posts on here, and I don't want to suck up, he's a cunt.   :mrgreen:

Yes, yes they do



We have to in order to make ends meet, if ticket prices were lowered that would mean less income, which would mean more budget cuts else where (ie players wages) and youd moan that we werent investing enough in the squad, so the club cant win. Plus if you look around yes our prices are expensive but alot of clubs charge similar amounts. Only 4 clubs I've been to this season have charged less than £15 for an adult ticket, all 4 of these were terraces (3 uncovered)



No offence but this is something alot of us know nothing about. The Cricket club cant be moved for various reasons. Firstly you cant just create a cricket pitch its takes at least two years to bed in properly. The land is classed as open space and thus, if the cricket ground is re-located the land has to stay as open space otherwise the central ward will go under its quota of green space. There is no chance in hell of houses being built there. The Athletics track will stay where it is, and most likely been re-done to add a full 8 lanes as it currently only has 6.



Its nothing to do with the size of the ground, rather what it contains. All the ground generates is match day revenue, where as all these new grounds have conference facilitys and what not that bring in extra revenue which means the club is more financially stable...and thus can start turning a profit then re-investing in the club. Before money can go into improving the on pitch team it needs to be generated via extra income generated by the new stadium. Purely as a football stadium the CG is alright, from a business point of view it doesnt bring in enough cash



Because they werent very good? maybe King only wanted to offer them one year at a time. As far as I am aware there is no proof that the one year offers were down to the board and not Andy King. However one year or two years, the greedy bastards would have jumped at a chance for more money. The likes of Igoe, Howard, G.Smith etc stayed here for two years anyway and would have gone in the summer.



Alot less than you think he does, and I expect he works alot harder to

dv85 most of your above post is complete rubbish.mainly it is your opinion with no evidence to back it up and alot of it is not true.
i suggest you do some fact finding before posting such inaccurate drivel.
take your cricket and athletics club comments,the whole stadium redevelopment plan will have huge effects on both of them! the whole project would be funded by the sites redevelopment!

frankly you dont have a clue what you are on about

Arriba id agree with all of what dv has said, you come on here slatting the board but could you do anything better?

Pewrsonally I was thrilled to see Mark Devlin back at teh club.

Very sensible and accurate post DV. Arriba, if I were you I'd listen to DV because despite being a pessimist most of the time he knows his stuff. I always see him at the trust meetings.

Same as.

So, what i said then?


 :D

Do members of the board plough their own money - thousands; millions; into companies in other businesses? What should make a football club any different?

People are very quick to criticise the board without knowing any facts. I don't even know the facts so I'm not preaching gospel here, this is more of a point that many are jumping on the bandwagon and (what could be) wrongfully accusing the board of raping the football club.

I dont think you can accuse the board so much,  as there are a number of teams in our division (Port Vale,  Bournemouth, Chesterfield)  who all have similar poor financial situations, and they also seem to struggle.  

If we get relegated, then there will be a complete turnaround at the club.  I guess the top earners at the club will leave, with the rest of the players probably having to take a reduced pay packet.

If we do get relegated, then the future will be unclear.  In an ideal world, we go straight back up,  have a young confident team, and emulate teams like Southend, Luton,  ie push for promotion, or at least stay well clear of relegation
However if we dont get promoted fairly quickly, then im guessing we will be in for a long stay in league 2

Personally my opinion is:

"The board" (or more accurately the financial backers of the club) have had enough of pouring their money into a black hole indeffinitely. They are unwilling or unable to bankroll the club run at a loss evermore with no sign of it turning around. It's their money, I guess they can do what they like with it.

It would explain why the club is now on a shoestring with low contracts/periods being offered that unfortunately saw our squad broken up and replaced with what we have now.

I assume they think new facilities (including a stadium) would mean  chance to wipe the slate clean on the debt front and get the club on an even keel. If they personally make money out of this it seems fair enough to me. They covered our debts so they can reap any rewards.

Obviously there are a fair few people out there that want things to change now, starting with a replacement of the board. I can see where they are coming from. But what I haven't seen is a plan of how this is possible financially. There don't seem to be investors waiting to buy the board out and run things, only vague rumours that may happen one day.  So if there is noone else to bankroll a loss making venture with litlle or no assets then what can we do?

And I don't think it unreasonable for "the board" to ask for some money for a controlling interest should some knight in shining armour be found. They are the reason we can moan about this club today. Without them there may verywell be no STFC.

Ticket prices are high. It's not an easy problem.  The less money we get in the less we have to spend on players. The less we spend on players the worse we get and the less people come in......But what is the solution? Reduce them? By how much? Half them and we would not see a doubling of people to cover the shortfall. However the board should think carefully about next season if we go down because it will be harder than ever to attract fans.

Lastly Mr Devlin. He has his employers interests at heart and as such will no doubt avoid certain questions and spin certain news to make it sound positive. But on the whole he is a million times better at communicating with fans than his recent predecessor. And I am sure he is not sitting there thinking "how can I screw the fans today"....

We are in a frustrating position as a club. The board should not be given carte blanche to do what they want without question. The buck will always stop with them eventually. But given the lack of alternative the stadium seems to be the only plan we have at the moment.

Spot On.

Ticket prices are high for one simple reason - it's the club's only income that is paying for the CVA.

Why do we have a CVA in place? Because of mismanagement from previous administrations.

Why are we in trouble now? Is it because of the current board? Hell no. You need to look back and take in Swindon's troubles in context. It's not the current board's fault, although at times they haven't helped ...

FUCK ME!!!!  What's happened???  I agree with DV85!!!  

I hate this "our tickets are too expensive, sackthe board, why do we need a new stadium, last season's team were so much better" bullshit.

Last seasons team were crap.  Duke was booed by a lot of the crowd, Igoe and Howard played like they didn't give a shit, Parkin was class but would never have stayed, Heywood was alright but again you'd have to be stupid to turn down a 3 year contract.  And as for Smith, it seems he only plays well when a new contratc is being sniffed around.

As for the tickets and stadium talk, we've been there before.

but the whole stadium development depends on the redevelopment of the cricket and athletics grounds,something dv85 seems to have completely ignored as his post shows.he says we cant move either club but we need a new ground, so where is the money coming from then?
he contradicted himself there!
the club have made public their desire to redevelop the whole area,with the money for the stadium coming from the housing and retail development at the cricket club and athletics track sites, so dv85 is wrong as are those that agree with him.
if what dv85 has stated was true then there would be no chance whatsoever of the county ground being redeveloped.
the board cant just say we want to redevelop the whole area and remove two clubs from their homes without offering a decent alternative,its pathetic and will be rejected and rightly so by the council

Im sorry arriba,

But you have come out with the post ranting and raving and the majority of people dont agree with you, dv85 is talking sense im afraid.

The club have talked alot about re-developing the current site on its current footprint.

as for Mark D Im sorry he is an assett,  do you think we would know what we know if it was left to Sandy Shaw?  I think not.  he cares

VD in being right shocker!

Arriba - It would seem that SBC dosnt want to lose "green space" which includes the cricket pitch and athletics track. I'd imagin the the club are reworking the proposals to incclude apartment blocks rather than houses ie build up rather than out.

i dont give a flying fuck who agrees with me or not.
dv85's post is not accurate and neither is yours narbs i'm afraid.
do you honestly think that the club will find money  to redevelop the current site without redeveloping the cricket and athletics clubs first to fund it?
as for devlin he is the boards mouthpeice and their employee,he will say what they want him to.
 narbs you are one of the many misguided idiots that the board love.

if that is the case where will the appartments, hotel,shops and leisure facilitys go,that were all mentioned previously.
just proves the board make things up as they go along if what you say is true.
without redeveloping the athletics and cricket club sites there is little room is there.
its fucking ridiculous

My post is much more accurate that your shower of shite trust me on that!

The club cant not redeveloped the cricket club, it is classed as open space and the central ward is already at the minimum quote. Plus they have a much longer lease than the football club and do not want to move, we cant make them.

The club needs to fund development another way other than planning on building houses on ground which they cant touch.

I dont know what the board are doing but I expect they are looking at this..

Class it as bullshit all you want, just because I dont agree with you doesnt mean I am wrong, infact the opposite.

Why dont you come to the next trust meeting and ask all these questions....or the next fans forum (if there is one?!)

I've felt the same as you arriba, but I personally took time out and clued myself up on the issues.....

Chances are it will be a scaled down development with less shops etc. but non of us know weather that makes the proposal finacially viable or not. Which makes this entire thread a bit poinless - we are all guessing redardless of the viewpoint.

Leyton Orient are building apartmernt blocks in the corners of their ground for example.

What exactly do you suggest the board do instead Arriba? let the club quietly die?

Lets think, we have the car park to build on, we can extend the Nationwide stand back over the green behind it. There is room to extend the North Stand. We can increase the hight of the town end to match that of the Nationwide. I believe there is another concourse(?!?) of the Nationwide not even used.

Plus we have 4 pretty empty corners. Leyton Orient have just got permission to re-developed their ground. To raise the money they are building apartment blocks on the corners of their stands. Bristol Rovers are planning to have low key student housing actually in their stands....its all possible.....thrashing out exact details is beyond me but it is possible....

That's quite an interesting post DV. I'd have nnever though of incorperating flats, etc, within the current CG footprint.

It shows  that it is impossible to say whether the plans are completely unworkable twoddle or not. We haven't seen them as they are happening behind the scenes.

i am going on what has been in the local press and on the radio.
devlin said about redevoping the whole area, or did i dream it all up?
if what you say is true where the fuck is the money for a new ground going to come from then? its a fucking shambles aint it.
i dont blame the cricket and athletics clubs for being pissed off and the council were sure to reject it anyway,but the fact is the board of stfc were relying on developing the whole site.
thats what my original post was about as its a fucking joke,and that is what stfc have become

so whats actually your point?

You seem pissed off and are just looking for something or someone to blame without examining any of the facts

Arriba, the money would still be raised through sale of residential development.

The clubs original proposals did include the whole site, Council look unlikely to budge on their demand that anything beyond the Arkells can't be touched, as you say.

Developing on the current plot though is still viable.  The clubs original proposal was for housing (fairly well spaced out housing as well) not appartments.

Recent developments or proposals from other clubs suggest Appartments are an alternative form of funding when space is tight - Orient raised £7m from corner developments on the ground, Norwich sold a plot of land for £6m to build Appartments on and Rovers have cubmitted £16m-£20m proposals financed solely by developing flats on site (in much less space than we have).

The good news is that Orient lease their ground from the Council, so a blueprint does exist to finance a Council owned stadium via onsite development.

Local residents are generally less worried about a development that doesn't infringe on the Cricket Pitch, Athletics and Extension.

Councillors are less worried about land giveaway because it can be used within the term of the lease the club would hold.

An opportunity may also exist to move a large chunk of the Oasis facilities into the development, which would also garner support from the Council.

Basically, the plot available is still able to support a development of substantial size (in financial terms) and it's possible to hazard a guess that around £15-£20m could be realised from the site we are allowed to use.  It would involve the proposals being changed, yes, but the club have expressed publicily that they would be willing to do so.

I am dubious about making enough money from a development on the current stadium footprint but I am happy to be proved wrong.

What i don't understand is the land ownership situation. Will the Council still own the site and therefore still charge rent to the club? Will it be a partnership where club and council profit share and thus no rent paid? Will the club purchase the land off of the Council prior to development?

Fuck you Arriba, Ive supported this club for over 20 years good and bad times  more bad than good.  Times arent good at the moment but a motormouth like you aint helping fuck all, also I aint gonna stand by and watch some ignorant shit like you start getting personal when you have facts that Im a misguided idiot then let me know like everything else you have written get facts ,  Im entitled to my opinion and views if you dont like them hard shit thats life but dont bother trying to get personal.


virtually everything you have said is your opinion there is no fact whatsover it is speculation putting together pieces of info you have read in the press ( shit you may well have a bit of a brain if you read, Im suprised)

Fucking hell you are boring arent you!!!

so just to confirm my view arriba
You have an opinion you are entitled to it as is everybody but dont start fucking shouting your mouth off as you dont like what you are hearing.


p.s I feel just as childish as you are at the moment for getting as many swear words in a post as possible.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

i can only go on what i read and listen to.it seems to me that the board are coming up with unworkable proposals time and time again,then when they are rejected they go back to the drawing board and start again.all this while the team which is the main issue is falling apart.
so yes i'm pissed off.
a new ground however its funded with a basement team playing in it is crazy.
football should come first,can we guarantee that it does?
thats my point!

Then you need to read more.

You're just not getting the point of the new ground thing are you? IF IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY IT WILL MAKE MONEY ON NON MATCHDAYS WHICH WOULD ENABLE THE CLUB TO INVEST IN THE PLAYING SQUAD. WE LOSE £750k A SEASON CURRENTLY, EVEN WITH OUR PITIFUL WAGE BUDGET

UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, AND AS MUCH AS WE DONT LIKE IT, THERE IS NO MONEY TO INVEST IN THE TEAM UNLESS A MIRACLE HAPPENS.

that is all :agree:

so i'm childish for asking questions of the board,fine.
i'll let people read the posts and judge whos shouting their mouth off.
i still think you are a misguided fool.and being ignorant is something i am not ,but you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone. i just disagree with you.
no need to get arsey :D

As it stands the proposals put forward require the disposal of 3 sites to a developer for £25m.  The club are then asking the Council to use the proceeds to fund redevelopment of the ground, which the Council still owns.

The problem is the Council would be duty bound to consider the loss of space and how to best use any proceeds (an argument can be made that the site has little value unless used to fund the ground).

Alternative plans using just the site the CG is on (including Car Park and land by Magic Roundabout) would be less contentious as none of it is marked as open space and could be incorporated within the clubs lease (so the club would have a much greater right to use the funds to develop a ground rather than the Council using it to fund pensions for example).  It's possible that such a plan would be financed by the Developer who gets the rights.  They develop the whole thing, residential commercial and ground and get to make the profits on the sale of residential plots.  So the ground is developed using the residential contract.

Oh you do make me laugh.

You ask these six questions and as soon as anyone posts answers to them you disagree!!!  If you think you know the answers or always think youre right then why post questions you already know answers to!!!

I personally think that DV's post made a hell of a lot of sense and a damn sight more sense than all of your posts put together.

say a new ground was built,how could the club guarantee that other income would be forthcoming.
my frustration is about the demise of stfc on the pitch and that is my priority.
we as supporters can only hope that the board have the same interests as us.
so dont try to patronize me please.
none of us knows for sure what the hell is going on really do we,
our judgements are made on what we see and hear

they were quesions i ask of the board not a fellow supporters opinions.of course i'm not always right but i am yet to see any good from this board and our football team is rapidly declining

arriba, your point is different to the way you argue it.

Ground development costs the club (the football club, not any property company set-up) nothing.  It has to be designed to fund itself - through property sales or land sale.

Therefore it has no direct impact on the current playing budget.  So your argument that they must spend on the squad rather than the ground isn't really there. The ground doesn't take away any money.

As for the ground making money, it will provide "opportunities" to increase revenue.  nothing more, nothing less.  More space = more opportunity to hire out = more revenue opportunity.  How that is then run is a different question, and one that the Board would be held to account over.

In fact, having a development ready to go could increase the budget because people would suddenly have something to invest in with STFC.  Just like a bit of land with planning permission, it goes up in value and potential.  If had a few million stashed away I;d be waiting to see what happens and might feel more secure sticking some it in the club if the ground development is a goer (in whatever form it takes in the end)

i havn't got arsey at all.i have disagreed with people and if i think they are wrong will argue my point.
i have not questioned your loyalty to swindon town at all and your passion for the club is creditable. also i have not called everyone on this forum a misguided idiot but some in my opinion are .you are making wild assumptions now and it aint doing you any favours.
i do like to rant and rave about issues but dont get so upset by it.its the way i am.i've clearly touched a nerve but we all have the same goals for stfc to prosper.
peoples opinions will always be different and thats what forums are about.
agree with me or not i aint bothered and i will continue to post what i think and would encourage everyone to do so.
i know some think i talk rubbish and thats fine by me,i love debating the issues and will continue to do so.
i have followed the town for over 20 years like you,my grandad was a devoted supporter and my son plays for the centre of exellence.
i only want what is best for stfc,and hope my worries about the board are proven to be incorrect.

the problem is, we've answered all your questions....challenged all of your points and you still chose to ignore most of them.

You think like you do, which is fair enough but you seem to be stuck in that opinion and nothing [however logical and sensical(is that a word?)] will change it.

you have given answers that you think are right but i disagree with alot of it,i haven't ignored the points you have made.
i hope to be proven wrong for the sake of stfc

So what are the plans then? You seem to know a lot more than the rest of us.

Yes, but you were always going to disagree with my answers no matter how truthful or correct they were.

Go back to Page 1. DV85 answered all of your questions as well as anybody can on this forum. Shut up and accept it.

Both the Cricket and Athletic clubs have publicly stated (both times reported in the bAdver) that they would be willing to move from the CG site, provided facilities were of equal or superior standard to those that they currently have.

There isn't enough room to incorporate housing, corporate, retail and leisure facilities into the space your talking about Rob unless we're looking at a Monaco type development with pitch on the roof.

That bit is true enough....however if we were to move the Cricket Club, the current Cricket Club would have to stay as open space. Houses could not be built on there.

Finding another site for the Cricket Club is easier said than done (but I expect someone has looked at other options) because of the time it takes. Crickt Club, even if they are found a new home they wont be leaving their current one for at least 2 years.

The current cricket pitch doesnt have sufficent space for an ambulance I believe, which means they can only host a certain league level of cricket, again find a new home with sufficent space and they'll jump at the chance.

But, certainly with the previous proposal the problem is, that the cricket club and athletics track sites have to stay as open space therefore can not be replaced with houses.

The current footprint is a decent enough size. Infact alot more than you might think....actually you couldnt fit housing in but you could apartments instead....

Bristol Rovers are proposing just such a development on a site the size of our current ground plus a few metres extra all the way around.

We have a big plot of land on the car park, by the magic roundabout and around the back of the Arkells.  In Sq Metres terms a 5-7 floor development is quite big.  It won't bring in £25m plus, and you'd scale back on "new" development, but you'd still be able to achieve the goals of the development.

i dont see whats wrong with extending the Town End, doing up the Arkells, putting a roof on the bank and then adding a few more seats to the Nationwide and giving it a lick of paint! 20,000 seater, modern and simple!

Anyone have a breakdown of the current list of shareholders?

What is the number in circulation and the present majority shareholding?

Have to head to companies house mate.

the plans that were printed in the adver some time ago,and discussed on the radio,and reported on regional tv.
it was stated at the time that the cricket and athletics clubs would be part of the redevelopment, no alternative sites for relocation of those clubs was ever made public by the club.that was in my opinion the stupid and unrealistic part. people on here have said new ideas are being worked on now without the need to redevelop the above sites previously mentioned.i hope that something sensible is forthcoming,but i have my doubts.
surely the board should have done their homework in  the first place,not put forward crazy proposals like they did then have them rejected only to go away and start again as is the case now.hardly looks like a well thought out and planned application does it?
as for the board having the interests of stfc as their no1 priority,nobody on this forum can know for sure the answer to that.
and the inflated ticket prices,devlin said we had to do it bla bla bla but he did exactly the same thing at qpr,similar reasons given.
also the fiasco with player contracts has seen longer contracts now given out during the course of this season as the board know they fucked up at the end of the last one.looks like relegation will be the result of that mistake.
the only one of my questions that i probably will never find out is what devlin earns,but being able to speak confidently doesn't make him a great man for stfc,only time will tell.

Maybe, that is because it is the real reason? What is your point here?
The main reason for us getting relegated, would be having to slash the wage budget over the last few years, imho.
Surely though, you can't deny that PR for the club has improved dramatically since Devlins return?

The PR & marketing may well have improved since Devlin returned but lets be honest about it, It's still shockingly poor.

What would you suggest that the board do, now we're on the same page?

they should of had a realistic workable ground redevelopment plan in the first place.
where they go from here i honestly dont have a clue.
i would agree that the pr has dramatically improved but would have preferred an extra player myself.
i think the ticket issue was a massive clanger and qpr fans were also disgusted at their extortionate increases.if devlin moved elsewhere he'd probably do the same.people wouldn't mind if the money was invested in the team and we were doing well,like during the playoff season,but we are sliding downwards rapidly.
you cant slash player budgets and ask fans to pay top prices.some will put up with it but many others have been driven away. some visiting supporters avoid coming here for those reasons also.if they pick and choose games they avoid us.

I think the fans have limited knowledge of the facts to be making judgements about the board. The Brady situation was much worse in my opinion though. Brady and his board were spending money on silly things - obviously thinking the new front garden development would offset those expenses. When SBC were being too slow/uncooperative with Brady he jumped ship. The present board have been stabalizing previous boards' mess. Whilst the current set up isn't ideal, it's what we're stuck with, and I think they're doing ok. Putting money into things that are obviously going to fail in the future (unless a stadium is built) would be a stupid idea, from both a business and personal (to the board members') sense.

Devlin has done a good job I think. Let's be honest, there are members of the board who do not know anything about football at all. Devlin has proven skills at running football clubs - even if it is just one/a few aspects of it. I also thought that Devlin rejoined as a non-executive (please correct me if I'm wrong), which is great if you ask me. Many football clubs do not have these roles (which are actually advocated and encouraged by the Combined Code of good corporate governance). Since Devlin has returned the fans have had more of an interaction with the club. There have been fan forums and Devlin has been publicly making an effort to release as much info as he can.

Lastly, if ticket prices were £15 for the whole ground and we sold 7000 tickets, that would generate a revenue of £105,000. To generate the same revenue at an attendance level of 5000, prices would have to be £21. We wouldn't get 7000 in our current position unless we gave away tickets for silly money. I don't like the ticket prices as much as anyone -so much so I haven't been to a game since Bournemouth at home (though this from being poor rather than choice) - but even I can understand the simple economics of it all.

If I bought the club id want it to fund itself not me keep pumping money in.  The board are doing well and unless you guys on here want to put your money where your mouth is I would recommend shutting the fuck up.  If the board leave who is going to take over? the trust? lets face it they have raised around 20k I believe in 2 years towards a player fund.  say they times this by 10 they would have 200k a year to run a club that is losing 750 a year.  Thats not a dig at the trust byt lets face it the dircetors are keeping us going at the moment.  Get off their backs

i am not trying to get rid of the board as there is no real alternative,but clangers have been made by them in my opinion and i dont have much faith in them.
agree that the brady bunch and donegan were much worse for the club and the current mob did inherit alot of the shit they caused.if previous boards had lived within the means of the club we might not be in the shit we are now.
as for the simple economics people wont pay top prices for a shit product,it is a recipe for disaster.

So do you think that dropping ticket prices to £15 would generate more revenue for example? How much more people would come along to watch a 'shit product' if the price was cheaper? Let's face it, only the regulars go along these days.

Loyalty is a massive part of the ticket prices.  Personally i would still support the team every week at £50 a game (devlin - you dare?)

The thing is theres no point living life with lots of what if's, regrets etc.  I mean what is Sarah Jayne hadnt gone off with tommy at 7, Id have lived happily ever after with her.  What if I had studied at school, what if I had goen travelling, what if my parents hadn't split up.  

Life deals you a hand and you have to accept that.  

This board have inherited problems and to be fair have got the club looking much better, ok teh playing squad have let us down big tiem this year and errors have been made but every club has errors, and every business makes mistakes.

You need to wait and see what the council say with the proposals.  Remember there is a local election in may, every councillor is trying to be in the spotlight getting votes, may come they wont give a fuck, we use it at work, never try and pass proposals through for a hostel etc before the elections but wiat till after and no problem.

Just get off their backs.

Bollocks

I'll get off their back when the folowing happens:

1) We stay in L1
2) They drop their pie in the sky stadium plans
3) They make sure there is enough money to ensure our NEW MANAGER has the funding to ensure we are not involved in another relegation battle next year

Anything less is unacceptable.

Oh and Simon,  your a patronising cunt just like Johnny Doyle.

Are you stupid? The club doesnt generate enough money to compete, as it is, we need the stadium to get revenue from concerts, conferencing etc, do you think without this they should pump millions in each year.  Fucking hell you must love playing champ manager or something cos you are trying to live the dream.

People like you would make me think twice about investing hard earned money in the club.

not now as the mistake has already been made, the slump we are in will keep stay aways from returning.
the ticket prices should never had been so greatly increased in the first place,it was only ok for a while as we had a decent season on the pitch in the play off year.the product was of better quality then

AND BY TEH WAY WERE STILL IN LEAGUE ONE FOR FUCKS SAKE.  WERE NOT DOWN YET SO GET BEHIND TEH TEAM, LIKE IT OR NOT ID RATHER GO DOWN SUPPORTING THE TEAM THAN GIVE UP IN MARCH!!!!

How so?  :o

southend,colchester and brentford.
they live within their means and are flying,all smaller clubs than us

All have a fighting spirit, something we cant buy at swindon.  They may also own there own grounds, pretty sure brentford do which means they dont pay rent so all income is put back into the club not to the council.

You guys really need to look outside your glass houses.

Thats more of a player/management thing than a board thing though.

dont question my support for the team.face facts we have been at the foot of the table all season and dont look like recovering.

and you should take your blinkers off

explain,that response has me baffled

Well your talking that we have been relegated! We havent yet and you want a team to be successful, why dont you get behind teh lads and moan in may when we know our fate, few wins and we could recover.

As for my blinkers I am realistic.  Your not.  We can carry this on, my jobs quite boring and as I work in an office alone I am happy to carry on slatting each other till may, its no skin off my back fella.

Well the board hardly play the matches for the team. That's what I was getting at. Success on the pitch doesn't necessarily depend on how much is spent on players.

Allen fills his players with confidence and fires them up.  Iffy has a different management technique, same goes for stuart pearce.